I love this man

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knicks/bulls
ind/miami
patriots/giants

still can't accept the fact that Jordan and the Bulls grossly over-shadowed
his Detroit dynasty.

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no one wants to deal with isiah thomas' legacy with any amount of fairness or basic respect for the game.

it's disgusting.

jordan is made to be infallible, but no one can reconcile how the isiah thomas led pistons kicked his ass over and over again.

>no one wants to deal with isiah thomas' legacy with any amount
>of fairness or basic respect for the game.
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>it's disgusting.
>
>jordan is made to be infallible, but no one can reconcile how
>the isiah thomas led pistons kicked his ass over and over
>again.

sounds like someone else I know

1988 - Won NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals (4-1) versus Chicago Bulls

1989 - Won NBA Eastern Conference Finals (4-2) versus Chicago Bulls

1990 - Won NBA Eastern Conference Finals (4-3) versus Chicago Bulls

1991 - Lost NBA Eastern Conference Finals (0-4) versus Chicago Bulls

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because they owned Detroit...until the Pistons finally beat them. Same with the Bulls/Pistons.

I guess he's just tired of hearing how Jordan is the GOAT. I get that, but we all know...zeke vs Jordan with comparable talent on each roster...W goes to Jordan. Because when Jordan got comparable talent, that's what happened.

Nothing to see here.

And who's to say Zeke would have the same skillset at 6'6" he had at 6'1". He probably wouldn't have been playing PG, which means his whole life/game changes. Waaaay too many variables to say at the same height Zeke would have been better.

There were NO 6'6" guards with handles like Zeke in the 80's so he probably wouldn't have played the same. Even Magic at 6'9" didn't have a handle like Zeke. He just had good ball control and knew how to protect his dribble. Zeke was a wiz with the handle. If you make Jordan Shaq's height, doesn't mean you get Jordan as we know him at Shaq's height. His coaching, training and abilities all change.

C'mon B.

your man got 6. be happy. but you will live with the fact that isiah owned his ass.

i love it tho.

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just saying he has to bow down to those that owned him too if that's the case. Hell, the only real rivalry in the 80's was the Celtics/Lakers because they went back and forth with each other.

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Celtics vs Pistons
4-2
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1985_ECS.html#BOS-DET
Pistons lost to the Hawks in the first round in 1986, 3-1
4-3
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1987_ECF.html#BOS-DET

Bulls vs Pistons
4-1 (Scottie and Horace's Rookie year)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1988_ECS.html#DET-CHI
4-2
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1989_ECF.html#DET-CHI
4-3
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1990_ECF.html#DET-CHI

Lakers vs Pistons
4-3
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1988_finals.html#LAL-DET

he was on nba tv calling analytics the biggest scam going right now
he gave a whole speech about how ppl who didn't play in the nba don't have the participation level required to get a true education of the game

>he was on nba tv calling analytics the biggest scam going
>right now

It is a scam

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>>he was on nba tv calling analytics the biggest scam going
>>right now
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>It is a scam
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sure 6 > 2.

but zeke can look at jorn and say that man didn't own me. thats all.

Zeke was only 30 when he got swept by Jordan - and he drifted
into irrelevance for the final few seasons after Jordan finally was
surrounded by a competent cast and shut down business for every
other peer.

Not exactly persuasive evidence for Zeke "owning" Jordan.



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Isiah should have been on that team.

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but that's as much his fault as anyone else's. He threw out
some low blows. Never gave Jordan his due, straight disrespect
in walking out w/ time on the clock and not properly passing the
torch to the next Great (who happened to be all the time Great) -
saying he shouldn't have been an all-star and conspiring not to
pass him the ball in the ASG, saying Bird wasn't anything special
and if he were black, would just be 'another guy' - his beef w/
magic. I mean dude went out of his way to be just wrong and bitter -
he made his own bed.

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>but that's as much his fault as anyone else's. He threw out
>some low blows. Never gave Jordan his due, straight
>disrespect
>in walking out w/ time on the clock and not properly passing
>the
>torch to the next Great (who happened to be all the time
>Great) -
>saying he shouldn't have been an all-star and conspiring not
>to
>pass him the ball in the ASG, saying Bird wasn't anything
>special
>and if he were black, would just be 'another guy' - his beef
>w/
>magic. I mean dude went out of his way to be just wrong and
>bitter -
>he made his own bed.


the best players from the united states belonged on the team, & last I checked, Isiah is from Chicago. Charles Barkely was no choirboy & they were sorta scared to ask, but in the end, they had no problem w him being on the team.

Isiah's alleged "baggage" should have had no bearing.

John Stockton isnt fit to do isiah's laundry, let alone take his place on that dream team.

>the best players from the united states belonged on the team,
>& last I checked, Isiah is from Chicago. Charles Barkely was
>no choirboy & they were sorta scared to ask, but in the end,
>they had no problem w him being on the team.
>
>Isiah's alleged "baggage" should have had no bearing.
>
>John Stockton isnt fit to do isiah's laundry, let alone take
>his place on that dream team.

Nobody liked dude. To the point motherfuckers would rather stay home than go travel around the world with that miserable motherfucker.

Not anyone elses fault that he failed to earn the professional respect of his peers.

It's literally why he wasn't on the team.

History says you're 100% wrong.

and isiah had his wrist fused together and battled other injuries all season.

you kinda had to actually follow the game back then, champ.

the damn hawks almost "ended" them in round 1.

that he didn't have the durability and longevity to compete beyond
30 isn't an excuse. Jordan came of age and there was no way
that Detroit (healthy or not) was going to stop that tsunami of
greatness. They feasted on a poorly assembled Bulls team prior
to '91, and quickly got booted the fuck out the league earlier
than they would have liked to.

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the conversation's over.

right, Dumars. They still had a young Rodman and could re-tool
to compete. They quickly realized they weren't fucking w/ the GOAT.

they had a great run -- but it was cut short by Jordan. No shame in
going home early to the greatest to ever play.


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hell, just make them HALF as effective as they were and give jordan a significant hand injury and some ankle issue to play through, as was the case with the pistons.

i like the pistons odds.

you're out of your depth, trying to piece together a reality that you didn't experience from web searches.

not only were the pistons OLD...the lakers were OLD...the celtics were OLD...they beat each other up and jordan came in and ate heavily against a group of peers (malone, stock, ewing, miller, chuck, payton, kemp, clyde) that didn't have the same DNA as magic, bird, zeke, moses, kareem, doc, etc.).

jordan's competitive nature gets all that pub because of who he competed against to win those titles. third tier HOFs.

jordan wasn't no damn kid in 88,89, 90...nah, he just LOST.

you have to have had watched the games to know wtf you talking about, champ.

the bulls *did* take paxson, cartwright, and horace grant off their teams, and they
still won another 3 w/ out those guys.

pippen and jordan were the nucleus, other guys were expendable.

zeke and dumars should have been able to be the nucleus and make another run,
but they couldn't deal w/ the GOAT. no shame in that.

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Anything they won after the pistons, lakers and celtics were old and washed, I don't trip off.

>Anything they won after the pistons, lakers and celtics were
>old and washed, I don't trip off.

That's convenient

you put Nique and Dream on Jordan's team in 86 and the Lakers and C's don't win a title for the rest of the decade and we never hear about Zeke winning anything.

We've had this discussion before,

Kareem, Magic, Worthy (not to mention Scott and Thompson)
Bird, Parrish, McHale (not to mention DJ and Ainge)
Zeke, Lambieer, Dumars, Dantley (not to mention Rodman, Mahorn, Microwave)

So when Jordan finally got comparable players (pippen, Horace, cartwright, Paxson, etc.) that developed and helped, he won.

He arguably did more with less and I'd STILL take the 3 peat bulls over the bad boys.

we've had it over and over. 3-1 is bottomline.

>not only were the pistons OLD...the lakers were OLD...the
>celtics were OLD...they beat each other up and jordan came in
>and ate heavily against a group of peers (malone, stock,
>ewing, miller, chuck, payton, kemp, clyde) that didn't have
>the same DNA as magic, bird, zeke, moses, kareem, doc, etc.).

LOL

'you're out of your depth, trying to piece together a reality that you didn't experience from web searches. '
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How did Jordan make Isiah's achilles tendon explode?

and walk off the court like a coward...

>and walk off the court like a coward...
>
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That shit that make your soul burn slow

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shook hands..congratulated Isiah and them and wished them luck..

it was still a bad look to walk off the court..but they walked off like grown men..

Isiah and Laimbeer...ducked by Jordan with his head down like a straight batch....

and walked off the court duckin his head past Jordan and pippen like a little kid afraid he bout to get the shit slapped out of him...


Isiah was a great player... no doubt.... but Jordan and Magic were both better..

better players..better teams...

period...

they were all better and he still beat them.

and he said "WE owned them"

stop tryna make it about other stuff. stick to the point.

tony parker a fat big head scrub, by the way.

and Tony Parker won't be running failed cream puff businesses. He'll be a contributor in the NBA no question..

>and Tony Parker won't be running failed cream puff
>businesses. He'll be a contributor in the NBA no question..
>
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tony parker a fat meatheaded idiot. nigga got rolls on his fuckin neck. he sorry.

but ain't said shit about Kevon Looney or Norman Powell..

you'll just wait until they make the pros and them start jockin em like you did Westbrook..

I c u....

>and walk off the court like a coward...



Well, that's that.....

and developing teammates and coaches. He hadn't hit his prime yet while Zeke reached his. By '91 it was wrap. MJ was the most unstoppable force the NBA has perhaps ever seen. It was wrap. MJ and the 90s Bulls would have owned those Pistons teams. Who knows, maybe those Pistons teams steal few here and there. But if we're truly being honest with ourselves, those 90s Bulls teams would have prevailed against the Bad Boys.

So yeah, sure. Zeke and the Pistons owned the Bulls in the late 80s/90, but that's such a pathetic and disingenuous way to brag about yourself. The rivalry doesn't begin and end with just you, Zeke, and on your own terms at that.

Little 6'1 Zeke beat the golden boys

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Got it.

Again, not sure some of you guys understand how rivalries work.

And why I say this man is the least appreciated NBA superstar in the last 30 years (little men never get the same props as forwards/centers)

The Pistons were exhausted from having gone deep in the postseason for something like 6 years straight ...and the Bulls finally caught up to them

Isaiah could've/should've had at least 4 chips if it weren't for his errant inbound pass and some horrible officiating vs the Lakers...perhaps then he'd be more appreciated as one of true legends of the game

All the intangibles ppl fawn over Jordan/Bird and whoever else for, such as being fiery competitors, mental toughness, Isaiah had all those same qualities

He is still thee ONLY PG to be the best player/leader of an. NBA championship team...and he did it in what has been hailed as the GREATEST/GOLDEN ERA in league history when it was filled with All-Time great Centers/Small forwards/shooting guards...unlike today where the league is heavily a perimeter oriented and PG-centric league

For the record, I'd still take the Pistons at their best over the Bulls

Jordan and Pippen should never be forgiven how they cheated that man out of one of, if not, the most prestigious honor of being the 1st NBA players to play for the Olympic team

That will forever remain a 'black eye' for the league as far I'm concerned

shows how mad they were he kicked their ass all them years

Nobody really think about most of that team

It sticks out like such a sore thumb that its
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>Nobody really think about most of that team
>

Only person that people might be able to forget is Christian Laettner.

Everybody else is a hall of famer

>Only person that people might be able to forget is Christian
>Laettner.
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>Everybody else is a hall of famer


nope, i was right. just Laettner.

http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2007/09/crystal_mess.jpg

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for the 1st time I'm sure in his basketball career was denied a spot on a roster not because he wasn't deserving of it, but because of bitch-made politics...from his *peers* of all ppl. Smh


>shows how mad they were he kicked their ass all them years

of a lil 170 lb dude wearing Asics.

>He is still thee ONLY PG to be the best player/leader of an.
>NBA championship team...and he did it in what has been hailed
>as the GREATEST/GOLDEN ERA in league history when it was
>filled with All-Time great Centers/Small forwards/shooting
>guards...unlike today where the league is heavily a perimeter
>oriented and PG-centric league

one time makes him look bad.

>one time makes him look bad.

y'all dutifully shook hands year after year and all y'all got to show for it is jordan finishing on pat's face and yelling at the camera like wesley pipes at the end of a scene.

k.

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and oak is one of jordan's best friends to this day. that ain't a competitor.

isiah and magic were BEST friends and it took 25 years to repair it, because zeke learned he had to be ruthless in pursuit of a title.

the knicks were not ruthless. they were clowns.

in them. Walking off the court w/ their head hanging low and hiding
from Jordan wouldn't have propelled them to a title, doggie.

>and oak is one of jordan's best friends to this day. that
>ain't a competitor.
>
>isiah and magic were BEST friends and it took 25 years to
>repair it, because zeke learned he had to be ruthless in
>pursuit of a title.
>
>the knicks were not ruthless. they were clowns.


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i don't care WHO they played.

The same week A.Mason died too, fuck you nigga

yeah, i'm sorry he died, but back atcha wit all that, dude. don't put that on me.

>and oak is one of jordan's best friends to this day. that
>ain't a competitor.
>
>isiah and magic were BEST friends and it took 25 years to
>repair it, because zeke learned he had to be ruthless in
>pursuit of a title.
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>the knicks were not ruthless. they were clowns.

Their physical and mental toughness is the main reason why they were able to compete. Thats why when we brought in soft Charles Smith he stood out like a sore thumb/black sheep. The 90s Knicks were kicking opponents in their throats.

Mase and Starks weren't stars or leaders. The only other cat who didn't care (Riley) didnt play.

The league was full of MJ's sons in the 90s

I mean, it doesn't take away from what he accomplished at all. However, he was human. He didn't win every year. He didn't dominate until he and the Bulls emerged as the last remaining team from that golden era (Celtics, Lakers, Pistons).

Mofos act like admitting this turns their latest pair of Jordan's into some british knights.. lol


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yanno, that ONE time jordan could eliminate him ON THE COURT.

the other time, he did it by making bitchmade phone calls talmbout he won't play if zeke plays.

that's they man. but i'm supposed to feel bad zeke ain't shake hands? LMAO!!!

cowardly backroom call making "republicans wear shoes, too" ass bamma.

It's still a rivalry. WTF are y'all talking about???

Bulls-Knicks was a fucking rivalry. Doesn't matter if the Bulls beat em.

All these years later, all I am left with is that Isaiah is a fucking weirdo.

Great player, but something off about dude.

I'm talkin about people coming up w/ 1,001 reasons why the Pistons used to kick the Bulls ass..

They did.. if you lived thru it and saw it there is really no debate.


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If anyone is in here saying the Bulls had a better team than those Pistons teams that beat them, they are idiots.


But I'm not seeing a lot of people saying that. Quite the opposite, really.

It's that focusing on those ass-kickings is a sly way of saying Isaiah was better without actually going out on the limb of saying he was better. Then when you're called out for that you get to be all cute and say "I never said he was better, I just said he beat Jordan." Plus whenever you look at an older team-younger team rivalry in retrospect it's kinda like: No shit the older team was winning first. That's happened to almost every great player before they became a winner.

next topic.

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Most of y'all hate any NBA player who is honest, driven, competitive & openly hates their competiton.

It's weird, but those are the same reasons I fuck with KG, Kobe, Pierce, Rondo, and now Russ is stepping into that mold.

yeah, jordan totally should've beat the pistons in 88. when chicago's second leading scorer was sam vincent.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1988_ECS.html#CHI::none

or in 89, when his second option was craig hodges.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1989_ECF.html#CHI::none

or in 90, when his teammates shot a combined 154 for 403 (38.2%) for the series.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1990_ECF.html#CHI::none

totally his bad.

jordan btw SWEPT zeke w/ arguably the worst of his 6 champion squads. the later rodman/kukoc/kerr/harper/prime scottie iteration would've cut them to ribbons.

and that when the Bulls finally did gett over the hump, it had more to do w/the Pistons being tired and banged up than the Bulls being a better team than them....


>yeah, jordan totally should've beat the pistons in 88. when
>chicago's second leading scorer was sam vincent.
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>http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1988_ECS.html#CHI::none
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>or in 89, when his second option was craig hodges.
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>http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1989_ECF.html#CHI::none
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>or in 90, when his teammates shot a combined 154 for 403
>(38.2%) for the series.
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>http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1990_ECF.html#CHI::none
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>totally his bad.
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>jordan btw SWEPT zeke w/ arguably the worst of his 6 champion
>squads. the later rodman/kukoc/kerr/harper/prime scottie
>iteration would've cut them to ribbons.

You are out of your mind - where was the offense going to come from??

That 96/97/98 Bulls teams had ONLY 3 players averaging double figures (Jordan/Pippen/Kukoc) and I'd still take a healthy Detroit over *any* of those Bulls squads who had the luxury of not having to face NOT ONE GREAT TEAM during their entire championship run...also, the Bulls weren't better defensively either than the 'Bad Boys'

And let's not forget that he Pistons Rodman was easily better than the Rodman the Bulls got

Those Pistons were going toe-to-toe w/the C's and Lakers when both teams were at their best and. Detroit should've won a few of those series they lost to both teams...I don't see those a bulls squads being able to match up w/either the C's or the Lakers.

the story of pistons vs. bulls is probably told more for how it ends (jordan ascending) than for the overall record, which counts for something

but.


THE POINT OF THE STORY IS USUALLY JORDAN SUPPLANTING THEM

he's an angry old man, I can dig it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

y'all niggas just can't stick with the facts!!! stop speculating.

angry old man? was zeke the one crying at his HOF induction talmbout how mad he was and wanting to be recognized by his peers?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

because anything other than that is a diversion.

Were 3 atraight years of the Pistons being the best team in basketball *that* traumatic?

So silly

Cool story tho niggaz

http://www.brothersonsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Michael-Jordan-Championship-Rings.jpg

nobody's talking about all this other shit y'all NEED to make it about.

isiah beat him all-time head-to-head and 3-1 in the playoffs. end of story.

Zeke was a great player. He was not as great as Jorn. You sound like the Melo Stans right now, though I admit your argument has a spurious undertone that's a lot more compelling than theirs.

What we said was 3-1 and 3 straight eliminations.

If Melo had done that to ANY of his peers, you'd have a fucking point.

But, you don't. You're just aggy with no fucking point at all.

Bulls vs Pistons was a thing, and the same way the Pistons waited their turn to do their thing, the Bulls had to wait their turn to do their thing. And their thing was better.

the point is 3-1, with 3 straight eliminations. I have no fucking idea why y'all just can't concede what actually happened without talking about other shit.

Jordan was better. Cool. Isiah eliminated him 3 straight years.

The implication of what that occurrence means is what this thread is about and you're being dishonest about.

Is anyone on earth denying the Pistons beat the Bulls?

let these dudes tell it, mike should've been winning chips with sam
vincent and craig hodges.

:-|

mike ain't win shit til he had some dogs next to him. just like zeke
wasn't winning shit w/ some damn tripucka and kent benson and terry
fucking tyler. he eventually got his dogs and then he started
winning. just like jordan. just like every other pantheon cat. some
had they dogs from day 1. some took years to get em. nobody won without em.

i remember cats doing the same stupid shit w/ lebron for years. dude
was better than anyone on the pistons and celtics when he was losing
to them in the playoffs. just ain't have his dogs yet.

jordan was the best player by far in every playoff series he lost to detroit.

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no one is talking about winning a title (and no one ever will be either).

He lost when JR Smith completely vanished (against the
Pacers)

And y'all said it was all Melo fault

and trying to over-compensate.

shit is silly.

i love it tho.


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>i love it tho.

it's comical.

>let these dudes tell it, mike should've been winning chips
>with sam
>vincent and craig hodges.
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>:-|
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>mike ain't win shit til he had some dogs next to him. just
>like zeke
>wasn't winning shit w/ some damn tripucka and kent benson and
>terry
>fucking tyler. he eventually got his dogs and then he started
>
>winning. just like jordan. just like every other pantheon cat.
>some
>had they dogs from day 1. some took years to get em. nobody
>won without em.
>
>i remember cats doing the same stupid shit w/ lebron for
>years. dude
>was better than anyone on the pistons and celtics when he was
>losing
>to them in the playoffs. just ain't have his dogs yet.
>
>jordan was the best player by far in every playoff series he
>lost to detroit.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And all this doesn't take away from Zeke's greatness....

doesn't take ONE BIT away from what cheesy E. did. but, it's it's like if a nigga even MENTION zeke sent him home three straight years, we gotta have a whole whiney ass debate.

you don't think i wanna whine about them bullshit call in the 88 finals?

history is history. what happened happened and i ain't tryna sit here and analyze it all to death. let's just leave it at what happened without all these excuses.

breath LOL

Zeke was a thorn in that acid-Jean wearing mofos side lmao...that's all it was to it

They can't have it both ways - first the Jordan stans wanna talk abt *his* 6 rings but every time you point out how Zeke and his crew were sending Jordan home 3 straight years oh it was because "he didn't have a supporting cast" or "the Bulls were young"

That's just not how it works when you're easily the best player In the game - anybody that knows the history of Wilt/Russell knows that it has always been pointed out how Wilt could never beat Russell even though Russell had HOFers around him and Wilt didn't in the majority of their head-to-head matchups, so consequently, historians say Russell was > Wilt

Against most teams, Jordan carrying the lion's share of the (scoring) load and getting whatever he could from his supporting cast worked fine...until he faced a team in Detroit where that formula wasn't going to be enough.

Lebron was roundly criticized in Cleveland when he couldn't get past Boston's big 3 and Orlando even though both teams were superior to the Cavs


It's ok to admit Jordan/Bulls lost to Zeke/Pistons...diminishes nothing from his legacy

Jayz lost to Nas but it doesn't take away from anything he accomplished lol




>doesn't take ONE BIT away from what cheesy E. did. but, it's
>it's like if a nigga even MENTION zeke sent him home three
>straight years, we gotta have a whole whiney ass debate.
>
>you don't think i wanna whine about them bullshit call in the
>88 finals?
>
>history is history. what happened happened and i ain't tryna
>sit here and analyze it all to death. let's just leave it at
>what happened without all these excuses.

The Pistons kicked their ass when they were the best team in basketball, and the Bulls were still up and coming.

The Bulls kicked their ass once they had arrived, and the Pistons had gotten old FAST. The Bulls would've continued to kick their asses if the Pistons could've gotten that far again but they were cooked by that point.

It's an unnecessary debate. The Pistons can hang their hat on back to back titles and beating the young Bulls for years......and the Bulls have no reason to care because they won 6 and their reign lasted much longer though they didn't have to deal with the "next in line" great team the way Boston had Detroit and then Detroit had Chicago.

jordan avoided the celtics, lakers and pistons in their prime years.

however, zeke faced 'em all and got his two. *shrug*

so jordan beat the pistons after "vinny was done, laimbeer was done,
buddha was done, and isiah battled injuries all season"

but zeke beat the celtics and lakers "in their prime years"

why i can't even take this shit seriously

>so jordan beat the pistons after "vinny was done, laimbeer
>was done,
>buddha was done, and isiah battled injuries all season"

Just look at when all those players you listed retired and that'll answer your own question lol

Most of the core Pistons' players (except Rodman/Dumars) from that team retired within 2-3 seasons from that series lost to the Bulls...

When Zeke beat Bird/C's none of Boston's core players were a few seasons from retirement...except for Kareem, neither were the Lakers either which is why they got back to another finals *w/o* Kareem and w/a rookie Divac...

Isiah was dealing w/injuries throughout the entire 1990-91 season
>
>but zeke beat the celtics and lakers "in their prime years"
>
>why i can't even take this shit seriously


Ya'll making this more complicated than it should be lol

i'm saying that the 1988 celtics (mostly in their 30s, no walton,
backiotomy bird, godawful bench) and the 1989 lakers (no byron,
virtually no magic, 41 yo kareem) which were the iterations of those teams
that isiah's pistons beat, were not "in their primes" like ba is claiming.
they were the worst iterations of those dominant 80s cores.

do you disagree with that?

wasn't nowhere near the same as the Bulls finally getting past the Pistons


Are you forgetting that Detroit shoulda beat Boston in 87, the season *after* Boston had just won a title and Bird winning his 3rd MVP?

They only faced each other 2x - the 2nd meeting Detroit swept Boston

Detroit should've beaten the Lakers, too, if not for a blatant bs call in 88'...and that was in the finals, so you can't say that the Lakers were on the downside at that point, yes Jabbar was, but as I said they went to the finals w/o Kareem *3* years after that 88 series

Those were some highly competing series that felt like they could've gone either way...even though Detroit was initially on the losing side

Detroit OWNED the Bulls until they got old and broken down...those series were lopsided in the beginning

Even the 1989-90 series that went 7 gms didn't leave me thinking that Chicago had a legit chance to win that series due to neither team winning a road gm in the series and gm 7 was in Detroit...so you knew how it would end (especially w/Pippen bitchin out of gm 7 because of a "migraine" lol)


>i'm saying that the 1988 celtics (mostly in their 30s, no
>walton,
>backiotomy bird, godawful bench) and the 1989 lakers (no
>byron,
>virtually no magic, 41 yo kareem) which were the iterations of
>those teams
>that isiah's pistons beat, were not "in their primes" like ba
>is claiming.
>they were the worst iterations of those dominant 80s cores.
>
>do you disagree with that?

they beat a celtics team with their 4 best players already in
their 30s, and a bunch of shitty bench players (jim pax, mark
acres, fred roberts, 38 yr old artis gilmore) who weren't even on
the '86 championship team.

and they beat a lakers team without its starting backcourt (scott
missed the entire series, magic was injured midway thru game 2)
and with a 41 year old kareem abdul-jabbar.

>
>Are you forgetting that Detroit shoulda beat Boston in 87
>
>Detroit should've beaten the Lakers, too, if not for a blatant
>bs call in 88
>
>Those were some highly competing series that felt like they
>could've gone either way...even though Detroit was initially
>on the losing side
>

dude... they lost. wtf

So at some point between may 87 and may 88 the celtics went from top of the heap to over the hill?

Got it.

because that's what ba implies in reply 27: http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2426774&mesg_id=2426774&page=#2426852

why didn't you object to that?



>So at some point between may 87 and may 88 the celtics went
>from top of the heap to over the hill?
>
>Got it.
>

>So at some point between may 87 and may 88 the celtics went
>from top of the heap to over the hill?
>
>Got it.
>

fuck outta here.

and how about cap? he was a grandfather when detroit swept the lakers.

Surely he was 100% in them 'offs LOL.

You're trying to make it sound like Zeke had this David vs Goliath thing going and he was putting stones between the eyes of Bird, Magic, Cap and Jorn. It wasn't like that.

isiah's pistons beat a worn-out celtics team w/ their 4 best players
already in their 30s and ZERO bench players remaining from the '86
championship team, and a lakers team without their starting backcourt
and with a 41 yr old already-checked-out jabbar.

neither team was "at their prime"

doesn't diminish what they accomplished. just the facts.

(notice that no one had even bothered to pretend to address the laker series)

3 straight times isiah sent Jordan home.

What happened happened. We can qualify all day long. I'm cool with walkin off. 2 titles. Old teams. WHATEVER. Isiah beat him more than he beat isiah.

not even talking about that.

i'mn talking about the notion that zeke beat the Cs, lakers and bulls
in their primes. the best versions of those teams.

he didn't. he beat lesser versions. celtics were past their peak w/
worn out starters, lakers were injured, and bulls hadn't peaked yet.

notice i'm talking about TEAMS at their best, not indiv players.

and again, this takes NOTHING away from zeke's rings.

>not even talking about that.
>
>i'mn talking about the notion that zeke beat the Cs, lakers
>and bulls
>in their primes. the best versions of those teams.
>
>he didn't. he beat lesser versions. celtics were past their
>peak w/
>worn out starters, lakers were injured, and bulls hadn't
>peaked yet.
>
>notice i'm talking about TEAMS at their best, not indiv
>players.
>
>and again, this takes NOTHING away from zeke's rings.

>not even talking about that.

i don't reading past this. i stay FOCUSED. and that's why niggas on this board hate me. i ain't being dragged into some shit past the initial premise.

well, i ain't pressed enough to start a new thread for that shit. so i guess we done.

Like this shit is so ironclad, you really have no where to turn. Your just a typical Zeke hatin bitch. I'm used to it. Any and everything is said to discredit the man because he beat them ALL.

that is a series that the Pistons shoulda beaten the C's but for Isiah's inbound pass...

Bird won MVP the year before and the Celtics won the title that same year, so I have no idea WTF you and whoever else are coppin pleas abt...seriously

Detroit was on the come-up before Bird/Magic were past their prime smh...



>Surely he was 100% in them 'offs LOL.
>
>You're trying to make it sound like Zeke had this David vs
>Goliath thing going and he was putting stones between the eyes
>of Bird, Magic, Cap and Jorn. It wasn't like that.

The crazy thing about Jordan's career is that he spent so much of it toiling for bullshit teams. At his physical peak, he was surrounded largely by lucky stiffs.

And Bird was hardly in his prime in the Pistons' title years, lmaoooooo! He was falling apart physically by 88. And Jabbar was on social security by then.

>The crazy thing about Jordan's career is that he spent so
>much of it toiling for bullshit teams. At his physical peak,
>he was surrounded largely by lucky stiffs.

Uh that's cuz Jordan *preferred* those "lucky stiffs" because they didn't need the ball and because they wouldn't clog up the middle

i am certain he hand-picked brad sellers, will perdue (aka will vanderbilt), stacey king, et al. they even drafted busts for OTHER teams (keith lee, olden polynice).

what vee said was stupid and i was making fun of it.

The Pistons were much farther along in their maturation than the Bulls. How can you make reasonable attributions when the teams were at completely different stages in their development?

Jordan fans get all in they fee-fees but Kang coming for that GOAT title anyway

it's touching Zeke has his *small* contingent of ardent fanboys who
do their best to try to post him as within the ballpark of Jordan
Greatness. Sort of reminds of how a few guys here love to overhype
Kyverson and try to elevate him to Kang status. It's cute.

and Zeke didn't even go to Dook. Imagine that.

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The fact that a 6-1 PG was giving it to Jordan and Co. year in and year out tells you everything you need to know abt the GREATNESS of Zeke

And for the record, Isiah *shouldn't* be in the same "ball park" of greatness as Jordan considering he was 6-1 185 compared to Jordan who was 6-6 215...he didn't have the size of Jordan nor the athleticism

BUT make no mistake abt it, he was GREAT w/o question, there's a reason why no other 6-1 PG has led their team to a championship since Isiah did it (twice)






>it's touching Zeke has his *small* contingent of ardent
>fanboys who
>do their best to try to post him as within the ballpark of
>Jordan
>Greatness. Sort of reminds of how a few guys here love to
>overhype
>Kyverson and try to elevate him to Kang status. It's cute.
>
>and Zeke didn't even go to Dook. Imagine that.
>
>-->

Okay, okay, I think I got it...you are saying that;

Isiah Thomas was an al-time great player who achieved a lot, especially considering his size.

and

Michael Jordan was arguably the greatest basketball player of all time.



Sounds good to me. Book it!

zeke beat him more than he beat zeke and zeke sent his ass home 3 straight playoffs

>zeke beat him more than he beat zeke and zeke sent his ass
>home 3 straight playoffs


Put your footnotes wherever you want my man. You pressed as hell.


Any type of extra feelings Bulls fans had about Isiah and them were exorcised when those bammas ran off the court in defeat, eyes averted, shame burning they cheeks.

I was in my living room chuckling like Ho Chi Minh watching a live feed of Americans fighting to get on that last chopper out of Saigon. Motherfuckers hanging off the runners and shit. BYE!!!!!!!

That's what Isiah talked about and y'all have talked about everything but that.

These two weren't playing each other one on one. And you could argue that Dumars was the real reason they were able to keep Jordan and company at bay for as long as they did. Then Jordan bulked up so he could take the beaten the Pistons were handing out.

This is a fucking TEAM game. Your agenda is cool and it's good for some laughs but let's not get carried away.

>Okay, okay, I think I got it...you are saying that;
>
>Isiah Thomas was an al-time great player who achieved a lot,
>especially considering his size.
>
>and
>
>Michael Jordan was arguably the greatest basketball player of
>all time.
>
>
>
>Sounds good to me. Book it!

this thread ain't about all that. zeke said his team ain't have a rivalry wit jordan's, because his team essentially dominated the meetings until injuries wore them down. well, there is a record to back what he said. bottomline.

saying team A beat team B. I just don't get why people are so overprotective of Jordan. I mean, I cheered for him in the 90s just like everyone else but the Pistons used to kick their ass, period. Why does there have to be 1,001 cliff notes on why it happened? - lol


Plus, when you think about the Lakers winning w/ Magic as a rook and the Spurs winning w/ Tim as a rook I kinda think people are going out of their way to contextualize the ass kickings because it was Jordan. Again, in no way does it take away from what he went on to do later.



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>Plus, when you think about the Lakers winning w/ Magic as a
>rook and the Spurs winning w/ Tim as a rook I kinda think
>people are going out of their way to contextualize the ass
>kickings because it was Jordan. Again, in no way does it take
>away from what he went on to do later.

umm...you mean Magic winning w/ fucking Kareem on his team in
his first year? And Duncan winning with David Robinson?

Yea, that doesn't matter at all lol.

Jordan was playing with D-leaguers when Zeke was playing with virtually
a handful of all-stars/hall-of-famers - but yea, that doesn't matter either.

Damn i didn't know OKS was so resentful of the GOAT's greatness, even more
reason for me to continue to tune into this bizarro-world.

....I love it tho.


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The point was that it's possible to have a team that can win early on. That's it. You tried to make it something that it wasn't because I guess like most you feel the need to justify Zeke kicking Jordan ass. - lol

I don't get why ppl feel the need to do it but carry on.


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http://gifyu.com/images/isiahbowshead.gif

because they eliminated the Lakers and Kobe was throwin up air balls??

again...great player...great career...but when those opponents earned their stripes...they surpassed him..

Jordan and Bulls surpassed Isiah and them...

.

My man looked like snitch ducking out the back of the courthouse in a convoy of US Marshalls.

witness protection status.


I lived through all those Bulls-Pistons series and I can honestly say, this exact moment was as sweet as any title that they won. Seriously.


The disgust in the voices of the announcers. The "these-nigguhs-here" look on Jordan's face. The shame that was palpable as our greatest foes embarassed themselves in a moment of truth that spoke to the character of their team...


It was a beautiful thing.

shit was so sad.

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i can't believe this thread did these kinds of numbers though
3-1 or not the hierarchy of their respective legacies/dynasties is already set in stone

And that's why I love bringing it up. GOAT sent home 3 straight by a 5-10 nigga wit nappy S-curl.

All Jordan's greatness (built against 3rd tier HOFers) cannot undue what happened.

And I hope LeBron goes on a run in his 30s when Timmy and Kobe done, D12 and Melo declining, KD AND Russ implode. I hope he wins 5 more while all these young niggas (AD, Wiggins, Bari, Giannis, Philly whole team) ain't ready, so I can't poplock to the whining fantastic from Jordan fans, mad he had no real resistance.

>And that's why I love bringing it up. GOAT sent home 3
>straight by a 5-10 nigga wit nappy S-curl.
>
>All Jordan's greatness (built against 3rd tier HOFers) cannot
>undue what happened.
>
>And I hope LeBron goes on a run in his 30s when Timmy and Kobe
>done, D12 and Melo declining, KD AND Russ implode. I hope he
>wins 5 more while all these young niggas (AD, Wiggins, Bari,
>Giannis, Philly whole team) ain't ready, so I can't poplock to
>the whining fantastic from Jordan fans, mad he had no real
>resistance.

*blinks*

these lil fucks mean bidness.. lol
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i'd bet fifty thousand dollars that that doesn't happen. that's how confident i am.

he's only won 2 in 11 yrs. what, is he playing another 30?

I mean it's incredibly unlikely but if Bron were get No. 3 this year, I would say it puts seven chips at least somewhere on the radar. Improbable for sure but he is in a good situation and still young enough to compete another 7-8 seasons at a high level.

of his life hands down. i can see him jumping from ship to ship tryna collect jewelry ala Ray Allen

but no... not 5 more regardless. You already posted his advanced stats in the MVP post. He's start to come back to the pack some even though he's still a centerpiece for a championship team.


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.

Looking at the big picture, he was right, they owned the Bulls, but the walk off when they were finally beat just makes him look like asshole, and that's what gets remembered most in that rivalry. And he's still not gracious about it even today so it's not like that perspective is ever going to change.

the court then it's understandable why they did what they did

I still want to know, though, why it was a big deal when Isiah and the Pistons walked off the court vs the Bulls but not a word was said when Boston walked off the court against the Pistons before the game was over

And for the record: Jordan was on a Detroit radio station impugning the Pistons player's character as *men* all because they played a physical style of basketball - yeah I woulda said fuck him too

Their style of play was rough and tough and right up to the edge of the line as far as the rules, but they never jeopardized a player's career or took a player out of a game....and when we criticize the game today, it's because it's not played w/the same level of physical play that the game had in the 80s, the style of play that the Pistons are credited w/ushering in lol (go figure)

And the funny thing abt that is Jordan credits the Pistons on showing him how to play *winning basketball* because of how they played against him/Bulls


Isiah is the only player from that "golden era" that can say he routinely kicked Jordan/Bulls ass...and folks in this post refuse to accept that fact w/o bringing up Jordan's entire bio lol


>Looking at the big picture, he was right, they owned the
>Bulls, but the walk off when they were finally beat just makes
>him look like asshole, and that's what gets remembered most in
>that rivalry. And he's still not gracious about it even today
>so it's not like that perspective is ever going to change.

cause Mike said some shit on a radio station about them being too physical?

Please.

He walked off because he was mad he got beat.

He still whooped his ass in the 80's and got 2 rings, there was no need for that shit. Like I said, if he didn't pull that then the rivalry would be remembered differently.

live that ish down but nothing was said when the white boy did the exact same thing to him/Pistons


Since when is it expected for someone to be the "bigger man" when someone is openly and publicly disrespecting you (in your own hometown)?? I thought it was perfectly understandable why the Pistons did what they did

Shaking hands after a game is vastly overrated anyway

WTF wants to shake hands anyway right after you just engaged in an intense and heated playoff series w/a team that dislikes you and you dislike them




>cause Mike said some shit on a radio station about them being
>too physical?
>
>Please.
>
>He walked off because he was mad he got beat.
>
>He still whooped his ass in the 80's and got 2 rings, there
>was no need for that shit. Like I said, if he didn't pull that
>then the rivalry would be remembered differently.

>the court then it's understandable why they did what they
>did
>
>I still want to know, though, why it was a big deal when Isiah
>and the Pistons walked off the court vs the Bulls but not a
>word was said when Boston walked off the court against the
>Pistons before the game was over
>
>And for the record: Jordan was on a Detroit radio station
>impugning the Pistons player's character as *men* all because
>they played a physical style of basketball - yeah I woulda
>said fuck him too
>
>Their style of play was rough and tough and right up to the
>edge of the line as far as the rules, but they never
>jeopardized a player's career or took a player out of a
>game....and when we criticize the game today, it's because
>it's not played w/the same level of physical play that the
>game had in the 80s, the style of play that the Pistons are
>credited w/ushering in lol (go figure)
>
>And the funny thing abt that is Jordan credits the Pistons on
>showing him how to play *winning basketball* because of how
>they played against him/Bulls
>
>
>Isiah is the only player from that "golden era" that can say
>he routinely kicked Jordan/Bulls ass...and folks in this post
>refuse to accept that fact w/o bringing up Jordan's entire bio
>lol
>
>
>>Looking at the big picture, he was right, they owned the
>>Bulls, but the walk off when they were finally beat just
>makes
>>him look like asshole, and that's what gets remembered most
>in
>>that rivalry. And he's still not gracious about it even
>today
>>so it's not like that perspective is ever going to change.


it's obvious WHY he did it..

it was a sign of disrespect. He's known to lack a certain level of sportsmanship and displayed that many times before and after he walked off the court...

they got their ass whupped and they weren't man enough to admit it.. as much props as they get for being so-called tough...they showed their true colors there..or at lease zeke and laimbeer did...

that ain't going out on their shield..that's going out like a batch..

and please... the Pistons didn't try to hurt people???

get out of here man.... Laimbeer was putting choke hold take downs on guys....Rodman pushing Pippen off the end of the court from behind..

you need to watch that bad boys doc again player..

they crossed the line many times with their style of play...

and simple...

Funny how you and the other wrongheaded dudes keep talking abt Isiah not shaking Jordan/Bulls hands after the series...but none of you have offered nary a word in defense of Bird/Celtics when they did the exact same thing...

The problem is you all follow the dictate of the sports media...and since the media hasn't let Isiah live this down, therefore you all act like what Isiah did was so awful, unforgivable, and "unsportsmanlike" when in fact it was more abt Jordan disrespecting them as "men," questioning their character because they were whoopin his ass repeatedly...

And just to prove my point, I'mma show you and the other MJ STANS how *hypocritical* ya'll are. See, you and all the other dudes stannin for Jordan forgot that that mofo DID THE EXACT SAME THING TO MOURNING/HEAT in the playoffs...because he felt Zo *disrespected* the Bulls and was getting too physical w/their players...the only difference is he did it at the tip-off instead of at the end of the gm. The media didn't criticize Jordan one bit when it happened (but I did because I remember thinking what's the difference between what Jordan did vs Isiah) therefore no one else said anything...but that's what I'm hear for: to show you and other stans the error in your ways...

A Ritual Loses Its Grip http://nyti.ms/18vZ3HG

Now, tell me how is that not unsportsmanlike if you're being consistent? Oh because it's Jordan




>>>Looking at the big picture, he was right, they owned the
>>>Bulls, but the walk off when they were finally beat just
>>makes
>>>him look like asshole, and that's what
>it was a sign of disrespect. He's known to lack a certain
>level of sportsmanship and displayed that many times before
>and after he walked off the court...

What other team did the Pistons do this too when they lost? Get back to me on that...
>
>they got their ass whupped and they weren't man enough to
>admit it.. as much props as they get for being so-called
>tough...they showed their true colors there..or at lease zeke
>and laimbeer did...

But they never did that to any other team when they were defeated...but now all of a sudden they can't accept losing

It's obvious you don't hold Jordan responsible for his DISRESPECTFUL comments abt the Pistons...but it's ok because I know how these MJ stans are
>
>that ain't going out on their shield..that's going out like a
>batch..

K
>
>and please... the Pistons didn't try to hurt people???
>
>get out of here man.... Laimbeer was putting choke hold take
>downs on guys....Rodman pushing Pippen off the end of the
>court from behind..

Name me a player they injured that affected their career because of it? Show me a clip of the Pistons, for all their "rough and dirty play," doing anything that was as dirty as McHale clothes-hanging Rambis in mid-air? And again, I can't mention enough how in one breath ppl criticize the Pistons' style of play but then talk abt how today's players don't play w/the same level of toughness and physicality that players played w/in the 80s (specifically the "Bad Boys")
>
>you need to watch that bad boys doc again player..

Nah, I watched them play and was already familiar w/their story...and I actaully saw them play...
>
>they crossed the line many times with their style of play...

Like I said, did they do anything that was more flagrant than what McHale did to Rambis who could've gotten seriously hurt....
>

get your eyes off the script brother... you're not seeing who you talkin too...lol.

Jordan??

come on man...

I'm a Laker fan... you know this already.

hands w/the Bulls players after that series...but you (and others) don't criticize Bird/Celtics for not shaking the Pistons' player's hand after their series ended

nor did you even try and offer a reason or excuse as to why it's apparently ok for Jordan to display unsportsmanlike behavior towards Zo/Heat in their 97' series...when he *refused* to shake hands before the tip-off

And I know why: because it's been the media who refuses to let this story die down and as a result ppl act as if what Isiah did was so egregious when there's several examples as I pointed out of other players who have done the same thing but the media didn't make a big deal out of it so fans didn't either

Remeber how the media drove that non-story of Bron not shaking hands w/Howard after their series and remeber how ppl on this board were acting like it was awful that Lebron didn't Shake hands....





>get your eyes off the script brother... you're not seeing who
>you talkin too...lol.
>
>Jordan??
>
>come on man...
>
>I'm a Laker fan... you know this already.

Logically, there is simply no where to turn.

Post aint about Bird. We're focused, remember?

3-1, 3 straight exits.

And here I thought the post was about a rivalry...which we all know can exist even if one team wins more than the other.


So yeah, let's really focus.

bye.

>bye.


Glad you were able to admit it and finally end this misguided post. Have a wonderful day and please sign the guestbook on your way out.

>>bye.
>
>
>Glad you were able to admit it and finally end this misguided
>post. Have a wonderful day and please sign the guestbook on
>your way out.


lol....

i wasn't the one bringing up EVERYTHING but the 4 series those two teams played in 4 straight postseasons.

i've always been able to simply STICK TO THE ISSUE on this board. i prefer it that way. i don't enjoy clutter.

>i wasn't the one bringing up EVERYTHING but this 4 series
>those two teams played in 4 straight postseasons.

You were talking about all types of other stuff. If you had just said "yes it was a rivalry, and the Pistons got the better of it" this post would be on page 12 already.


But okay, good, we have established that "Yes, it was most definitely a rivalry"

and your other point, which is in and of itself, ancillary to the fact of whether it was a rivalry, is something no one disputes. The Pistons were indeed better than the Bulls during the rivalry. Then when the Bulls became the better team, the Pistons plunged off the map completely and the Bulls went on to dominate the league.

>>i wasn't the one bringing up EVERYTHING but this 4 series
>>those two teams played in 4 straight postseasons.
>
>You were talking about all types of other stuff.

no, i wasn't. i just kept repeating the pistons kicked they ass and y'all took it elsewhere.

Most everyone realizes the same championship fire that was forged in Detroit came from battling the Celtics and Lakers. Similarly, the Bulls, gradual improvement over 3 straight playoff losses helped to make them the dynasty they became.

But since it's fucking obvious that these 4 teams and their respective players were at different levels of development/advancement and we'll never know HOW all of these teams would have been if they were the same "age," why all the petty ass hair splitting?

Nevermind, this OKSports and y'all niggas is bored, that's why.

failure.

>failure.
>
so it can be said that zeke got more wins "first" over someone he's two years older than and didn't last long enough for the score to be evened. not that jordan COULDN't have evened the rivalry or surpassed him overall, right? cause that's the bullshit ass story that's being trumpeted. Not that the pistons had an incredible run or that he was a once in a lifetime player/leader, but that they "owned" the Bulls before the Bulls went HAM on the league and sat the fuck down right after being vanquished.

cause once you pull the petty ball of string, that shit can go for quite awhile.

>

zeke vs. mj 3-1.
game. set. match. i guess...itzoweezee...

btw, i'm a Zeke fan and even liked the Pistons.
but yeah, this is idiotic.

again...i ain't say isiah was a better player. jordan was better WITHOUT QUALIFICATION. i said isiah beat jordan more times than jordan beat him.

is what it is.

if nobody wanna entertain what isiah woulda done to jordan if he was 6-4+, then i don't wanna hear about who jordan had when he had 'em

i said isiah beat jordan more
>times than jordan beat him.
>
>is what it is.
>
>if nobody wanna entertain what isiah woulda done to jordan if
>he was 6-4+, then i don't wanna hear about who jordan had when
>he had 'em

lol all of these guys developed their specific game because of their bodies. their ability is never seperated from that. so speculating what would've been if jordan had shaq's body is pointless.

and i don't even know what the big issue is anyway. The Pistons always were in MJs narrative when he described the hump that the Bulls finally overcame in 91.

is lame

>
yet you say "zeke beat jordan" as if it was one on one, not "the pistons beat the bulls"

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the hatred is blinding all your senses at this point.

if y'all can't concede to what Dula wrote 2/3rds down in this thread, you have no objectivity

i refuse to get in the weeds...EVER AGAIN...on this board, because it never results in FACTS.

3-1 is facts. don't care about who had who and when they had 'em.

i've conceded to everything that ain't about 3-1 and 3 straight eliminations, because I DON'T CARE about the rest of it.

It was a rivalry© Isiah's lead attorney on OKS

post is over

this post went off course because the Gouda God's infallibility gets cut down when isiah and the pistons get brought up.

zeke threw dat spear and cut Da Cheese Wiz mouth from 88-90. three straight. GOOD!

>this post went off course because the Gouda God's
>infallibility gets cut down when isiah and the pistons get
>brought up.
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>zeke threw dat spear and cut Da Cheese Wiz mouth from 88-90.
>three straight. GOOD!

Shit, like I said, IM GLAD THEY LOST THOSE


Because when they bust the Pistons ass and them dudes slunk off the court like they pockets just got rabbiteared outside the movie theater on a Friday night...IT WAS THAT MUCH SWEETER.


THEN WE WON SIX


Three in a row? Take it and go with God, my son.

he clearly needs to hang on to those victories. b/c he doesn't have much else. or, he doesn't have as much as Jordan.

po thang.

but yes, him and the Pistons did beat Jordan and the Bulls 3x in the playoffs. and then what happened? LOL.

po thang.

he needs this. he can have it.

he beat Jordan 3x - and Jordan is STILL a greater player and is more revered than he.

bless his heart.

http://gifyu.com/images/celticswalkoff.mpg.gif

a lil different,no?

got it..

as long as we consistent, i really don't care.

to the widely accepted opinion that Isaiah is a jerk ...unsportsmanlike....and brought much of his negative perception on himself..any chance you have to counter that, you gonna make a post about it....

like owning the Bulls....

look...Jordan is one of the greats...won 6 titles....revolutionized the marketing of the game into a worldwide entity.... so really the little dirty-mackin style the Pistons came with to eliminate the Bulls before they won their first of 6 titles...in the big picture isn't too relevant.... and Isaiah talking about he "owned" Jordan and the Bulls comes across as a desperate fantasy laced effort to improve an image that is tainted primarily because of one Isaiah Thomas...

let me give you an example....

one of our rival high schools here, San Pedro High School beat us for 20 consecutive years in football.. from well before I was in high school myself, to well after...we didn't win one game against them.....

we tied them in the LA Coliseum in 2008 for the city title....but since then they've beaten us maybe once or twice....we've gone on to win multiple City titles and are one of the premiere High School football programs in the country currently.... yet when San Pedro plays us...they walk around like "they own us" right today... We aren't even really on the same level anymore, but what they did in the past ..in their minds..is still relevant today... they don't realize how foolish they look trying to act like they're running anything.... like desperate old men talking about how they used to ball out when they were wearing leather helmets or no face masks...

Zeke talking about owning somebody that surpassed him by miles and miles looks just as foolish...

that being said...Isaiah was a great player...a great leader.... his story of overcoming his environment and his mother's efforts with him is inspirational.... as much as I'm not really a fan of the guy, I've argued many times in his favor that he was a greater player than the likes of say an Allen Iverson... no question....one of the greatest...and even though his exclusion from the Dream team was his own fault....it was a d*ck move by Jordan and he very much deserved to be on that team....

but saying he owned Jordan and the Bulls is just foolish...desperate..and embaracing...