Super Bowl win? Check

Divorce wife before signing multimillion dollar deal? Check

Nail the inevitable race question better than any other young Black QB? Check

Bonus for dropping a little history lesson too.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/07/09/nfl-history-in-95-objects-russell-wilson-race/

From the Akron Pros to the Seattle Seahawks: Race and the NFL
July 9, 2014 by Russell Wilson
When the Super Bowl ended last February, after celebrating with my teammates on the field for a few minutes and seeing our owner, Paul Allen, hoist the Lombardi Trophy, it was time to do one big press conference and a lot more individual interviews at my locker in MetLife Stadium. I’m not certain how long I spoke to the press, but it was longer than an hour, easily. I got questions about what it felt like to beat Peyton Manning (I didn’t; our team did), about how dominant our offense and defense were, about specific plays in the game, about being just 25 and winning the Super Bowl … and about a hundred other things too.

But as I thought back afterward, there was one question I didn’t get:

What does it feel like to be the second African-American quarterback to win a Super Bowl?

The amazing thing was, I knew. I knew, after the game, the history of it. It matters because our world is changing—for the better. America’s hearts are changing, and the NFL is changing too. The NFL is moving forward.

But it was interesting that no one talked about the black quarterback thing—at least to me—until our team visited the White House in May. President Obama said something about it that day: “Russell became only the second African-American quarterback ever to win a Super Bowl. And the best part about it is nobody commented on it, which tells you the progress that we’ve made, although we’ve got more progress to make.’’

President Obama was right on both counts. It’s a great story that probably is even greater because America isn’t talking about it. I knew that only one black quarterback, Doug Williams, had won a Super Bowl before our victory. I know history, and I know football history. I didn’t want to win the Super Bowl just because of the racial element, although I know that is significant. The Seattle Seahawks winning their first Super Bowl—that was the most important thing to me. Not me being such a young quarterback, or beating Peyton Manning, or not being the prototypical size for a quarterback. Nothing like that. I wanted to win because I wanted to win for my team.

I believe the culture has changed in America, and in the NFL. Nowhere can you see that more than in Seattle. I can tell you without reservation that Paul Allen and our GM, John Schneider, and our coach, Pete Carroll, don’t care what race you are, what color you are. They only care about performance. And yes, there is more progress to be made by minorities in the NFL, but I’m writing this story because I think that in the short time I’ve been in the league, I see a league and individual teams judging people for what they do, not what color they are or how tall they are or anything other than what happens on the field.

You know how I know that? From our practice field in Renton, Wash., throughout this spring.

The five quarterbacks in camp with us had something in common:

Me, African-American.
Tarvaris Jackson, African-American.
Terrelle Pryor, African-American.
B.J. Daniels, African-American.
Keith Price, African-American.

We call ourselves “The Jackson 5.” I play the role of Michael Jackson. It’s not that Coach Carroll and John Schneider purposely did that. They put the best guys they could find on the roster to help the Seahawks win. But really, considering the history of the league and the quarterback position, how crazy is it that one team has five quarterbacks in camp, and all are African-American?

I believe that says so much about the state of the NFL today.

A generation ago, could you have imagined an NFL roster with five black quarterbacks? We’re not the only one. The Jets could have three African-American quarterbacks on the roster on opening day. Buffalo and Minnesota, in the past two drafts, have spent first-round picks on African-American quarterbacks of the future. We had two NFC playoff games last year featuring African-American quarterbacks starting for each team—Carolina (Cam Newton) and San Francisco (Colin Kaepernick), and then San Francisco and Seattle for the conference championship.

But this is not all about black quarterbacks. It’s about the league progressing to being more of a place where it’s about ability first, second and third, and about the history of a league that has had some blind spots when it comes to race to be sure—but probably has been a little more progressive over the years than you think.

* * *

In 1920, the team photo of the first-place team in the league that would eventually become the NFL had a black face among the players: Fritz Pollard, who played for the Akron Pros. That’s 27 years before Jackie Robinson suited up for the Brooklyn Dodgers. It’s hard for me to go back in history, but that is astounding—an African-American player in pro football 94 years ago. The next year Pollard became the team’s player-coach. A year before Robinson played in Brooklyn, two more pro football teams—the Los Angeles Rams and the Cleveland Browns—signed African-American players.

Since then it’s been a struggle at times, but we’ve seen the Rooney Rule make every team have to interview an African-American candidate when there’s a head-coach opening. We’ve seen teams like Pittsburgh, Oakland and Kansas City scout the predominantly black colleges to give some Hall of Fame players a shot at making it great. One of those players, Doug Williams from Grambling, turned out to be the first African-American quarterback to win a Super Bowl. That was 27 years ago, in Super Bowl XXII. What a trailblazer he was for all the minority quarterbacks who came after him: It’s the mark of a great player that he can have a great game in the biggest game of his life, and he threw four touchdown passes that day to beat Denver 42–10.

To get to where I’ve gotten, I’ve had so much help from standing on the shoulders of people like Doug Williams, James Harris, Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon, Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick and so many others.

But I also think in my case, my background and my family is so vital in getting to this point. That’s probably similar to a lot of players.

My family pushed me on the football field, on the baseball field, on every field. I had two very purpose-driven, faith-based parents, put on earth for a specific reason. They raised me to believe that it doesn’t matter where you come from; it matters where you’re going … and can you produce when you get there.

The word “color-blind” throws me off a little bit. My family definitely educated me about the world and what it was like out there. Education was always crucial to our family. My grandfather was a military guy who was an educated man and went on to be the president of Norfolk State University for 22 years. My grandmother was a professor at Old Dominion University. My grandmother, who was from Jackson, Miss., used to have to read old and outdated textbooks at school. At night she would bring home the more updated textbooks from the white schools and study those—then bring them back to their places in the morning. That’s how my mom and dad grew up, with the idea that education was the most valuable thing you could have.

But “color-blind’’ is not the right term. I certainly realized people’s color. My parents told me, “Don’t judge people based on their color. God created everybody.” I wasn’t naïve. I was educated on being African-American. I knew everything about Rosa Parks and Dr. Martin Luther King. I grew up in Richmond, the capital of the Confederacy. You realized it was … a little bit different. The way I was raised, though, was about treating people the right way. Yes sir, no sir, work your tail off. It didn’t matter if I was black, white, Latino—and when some people meet me they think I’m Latino.

When I was really young, I knew this was something I wanted to do, and hopefully somebody would give me a shot. But I didn’t stress about it. God put me on earth to be the best person and best player I could be, and I was raised to understand that if I had the ability, I would get a shot. I have had people say derogatory things to me. I heard degrading words on the road in college, in both baseball and football. Most of it came from the opposing fans. But it was nothing that any other player didn’t hear. Did I let it get to me? No. Others before me—civil rights leaders, other quarterbacks—fought for my right to do what I am doing, and they had to take far more abuse than I did. I am grateful for them.

Today, I don’t look at myself as a black guy, or a black quarterback. I look at myself as a person, and a quarterback. My attitude is if I want to be the best, I’ve got to beat the best. And it has nothing to do with color.

When I joined the Seahawks, I remember walking into the huddle and seeing all the different faces. Here I am, 23, an African-American, a strong Christian. Our center, Max Unger, is from Hawaii. Our running back, Marshawn Lynch, is African-American, from the inner city in Oakland. Zach Miller, the tight end, is a white guy from Phoenix. I don’t care if they’re white, black, Christian, Jewish, atheist. It has no effect how I view them. They’re there for me, I’m there for them. All I want to know is: Are they great teammates? I think we’re all fortunate to have been picked by a team that’s shown over and over that only one thing matters: performance.

I’ll never forget Coach Carroll’s words the day I was drafted. We talked right after the pick. He told me that he believed in me and wanted me to come into camp and compete for the job. He promised me that that if I competed at the highest level I would have a chance to start.

These were his exact words: “I will play the best players. If you’re the best quarterback, you will start.”

Isn’t that really what every football player wants to hear from his coach?

* * *

When I got to meet the President in May we talked for about 15 minutes, about leadership, about performance, about being able to affect people’s lives. It was pretty cool—not only meeting the President, but having him notice me trying to have an impact on people.

Obviously, he’s a very intelligent man. He’s not naïve about some of the barriers. Nor am I. But what is cool is that people don’t think of him now as the “African-American President” as they think of him as “the President.” At least that’s how I see it. I think that’s important for this country, whatever your politics are.

As I stood behind the President at the White House that day, I listened to his amazing speech about the Super Bowl and our team, and it dawned on me how special this moment really was. I realized then and there how the world is changing. I feel blessed to be a small part of that change.

I’m a quarterback. It’s not about color anymore. This off-season, I’ve worked as hard as I can to become a better player. I have to. I know what the situation is with coach Carroll: He’s going to play the best guy. But I wouldn’t have it any other way. The culture is going in the right direction, and the league is going in the right direction. The best player plays. So there is no time to sleep.

the black leaders of the seattle seahawks are winning literally and figuratively

And when McNabb said something to this effect, you
sharted oniony cheese sauce

maybe if a disgruntled attention whore wasn't goading him into addressing it he would have took a position on his own volition
fortunately russell wasn't operating under that type of duress since the seahawks are smart enough not to have a scab like mcnabb around the organization

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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

*rubs fingers under sunglasses*

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

<--- Big Baller World Order

"My grandmother was a professor at Old Dominion University. My
grandmother, who was from Jackson, Miss., used to have to read old
and outdated textbooks at school. At night she would bring home the
more updated textbooks from the white schools and study those—then
bring them back to their places in the morning."


b/w

I wish Russ would've found a writer to spruce up the article and make it read better,
but yeah, every QB on the roster is BLACK. dayum

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One Hundred.

great job Russ

I'm still mad you going to white barbershops in tv commercials tho

http://soundcloud.com/djshinobishaw
http://www.rareformnyc.com
http://twitter.com/DJShinobiShaw
https://twitter.com/RareFormNYC
PSN: ShinobiShaw

"Arm Leg Leg Arm How you doin?" (c)T510

He's legitimately the perfect citizen-athlete.

He admits his flaws.

NEVER sounds holier-than-thou.

And yet always says the right fucking thing.


http://www.theplayerstribune.com/lets-talk-about-it/


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

He should have had a national title at UW too,had they a defense
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<================== MVP

http://tinyurl.com/t206qb

And Isola wrote a column in today's DN basically saying that melo attacked the media (he kinda did) when the media protected him last season and is the reason why Felton, Chandler and Woody are gone but Melo isn't lol.

These dudes are so salty.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

The media is realizing with all the new technologies, athletes no longer need the media to spread the message.

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

and control your own narrative.

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XBL: trkc21
Twitter: @tyrcasey

http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

http://thebiglead.com/2014/10/22/russell-wilson-is-black-enough-seahawks-players-allegedly-say/

________________________________________
"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

<--- Big Baller World Order

and take his mad ass on to Forgotten Football Player Land

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

They wouldn't be acting like that to Hasselbeck or
a white QB

Same with TO and McNabb

TO was crying like a pussy when it was Romo fucking up

Like I said: Dumb uncle toms think black people are more
within reach, while they revere the the white man

http://makeameme.org/media/created/Thats-my-Teammate.jpg

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

TO is/was a nut.

Making that whole mess just another racial microcosm sorta simplifies and belies the facts/nuances/evidence those of us who watched the situation closely have at hand.

First and foremost, Eagle Management knew or should have known who TO was and that they could have quashed the whole thing by simply taking the dude out to dinner, telling him what he wanted to hear to feel important and then simply moving some of that back-end money of the bargain-bin contract he had already outperformed up to the front in the 2005 offseason after TO's heroic performance in the Super Bowl playing with screws in his bone on a still-broken leg........in doing so TO gets pacified, his new agent Rosenhaus gets paid and the TO/#5 saga never gets into public-sniping.

McNabb loses easily the single-best weapon he ever had and best receiver in the game by making the fatal mistake of putting his own personal ego/emotional-insecurity/professional-jealously above his and his team's best interests in the aftermath, which divided the locker-room and resulted in his hoe card being pulled in public (something that his refusal to utilize his mobility advantages after his first few seasons due to not wanting to be considered the racially-loaded 'running quarterback' also put on display).

As a result, literally everyone involved lost.

TO never again won a playoff game while his reputation as a team cancer bouncing from bad to worse organizations became set in stone to the point he became blackballed from a league he still could have played in for another four to five years after spending his final three seasons with Jerry's Kids, the Bad News Bengals and the sorry-ass Bills in front of increasingly shrinking audiences.

An Eagle team that in the first five years of the Reid/McNabb partnership had won four straight division titles, been to four straight NFC Championship games and just played in a Super Bowl the Patriots barely won even though they cheated became an Eagle team that would win just two division titles (both without Donovan McNabb) and just three total playoff games over Andy Reid's final eight seasons in Philadelphia.

McNabb never again was amongst the elite or made a Pro Bowl legitimately (he made as an injury-replacement to an injury-replacement in 2009 when both Favre & Romo declined trips to Hawaii in 2009), the Eagles actually had a better record playing without him in the second half of his tenure in Philly and he embarrassed himself in wash-out stints in DC (replaced by Rex Grossman in mid-season) and Minnesota (quitting the team & ending up out of football for good at just 33 years old after being benched following a 1-5 start with a team Favre at age 41 had just played with in an NFC Championship Game).

As a result:
-TO will end up in Hall of Fame but was on an afternoon TV talkshow trying to beg/cry his way out of bankruptcy.
-The Philadelphia Eagles and the City of Philadelphia have still yet to win/witness their team hoist a Lombardi Trophy.
-Andy Reid will likely retire being viewed historically more like Marty Shottenheimer than like his mentor Mike Holmgren.
-Donovan McNabb will never see a ceremony in Canton without buying a ticket (unless BDawk gets him a guest pass or he makes up with TO before his induction day comes).

Sadness Abounds, FAIL All Arounds.

And its because country coonish African Americans would
rather attack a black authority figure than a white one,
because centuries of racism has created this weird fear of
standing up to white authority.

Accepted blacks are within reach...they can be touched.

So these low IQ coons go in on them RATHER THAN the people
REALLY causing the fucking problems.

This isn't a lot different than what Dame Dash talks about
in rap, with rap beefs being this sad manifestation of cats
being mad at the WRONG person.

EDIT: Fuck you been, hit me up

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He told reporters that McNabb got tired in the Super Bowl and expressed his disappointment in the locker-room that his QB didn't support him on his efforts to restructure his contract.

We'll have to agree to disagree with which of those two scenarios was actually worse from a personal affront standpoint.

Now I will always cede the floor to you on black inner-racial implications/dynamics, you study/breathe/live in that prism while I (at best) simply observe/learn/visit.

Nevertheless everything I typed above in regards to the Eagles/TO/McNabb decable is unfortunately the hard-learned truth, in a situation where if just one of any three sides could have done something differently it changes their shared/individual history forever.......frustratingly none did and as a result all lost.

However, like The Scorpion and The Frog parable, TO's nuttiness was the one known quantity we had on hand, the President/GM/Coach along with the QB/Captain were the two sides whose reactions to the tights-wearing/gradmother-raised diva receiver actually caused surprise and in doing so damaged their own fortunes in the process by how badly they misplayed it.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

It's the reason he was cut in the 1st place

geezus

do u just make up bullshyt on the fly or us this shyt scripted?

I swear u don't even watch sports sometimes

its just an avenue for u to argue

but im banned tho.
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Dallas Cavericks LETS GO!!

alleged comments coming from his teammates has more to do w/how he looks vs his attitude/perspective


Blk ppl (sadly) tend to question or make judgements abt the authenticity of another blk person's "blkness" oftentimes based on something as frivolous as their physical appearance (can't be too light/can't speak the king's english too well/hair can't be too curly or straight)

Of course there's exceptions (McNabb)

Obama went through the same thing early on in the 2008 campaign from blk ppl

There's been hints of this type of thinking concerning Blake Griffin

I'd love to hear reason(s) why they feel this way (if true) abt Russell...because I know they wouldn't have any legitimate one(s)

grassrootsphilosopher

who happen to be all white and he doesn't really socialize with his teammates....

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/08/26/russell-wilson-entourage-seattle-seahawks

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

teammates


>who happen to be all white and he doesn't really socialize
>with his teammates....
>
>http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/08/26/russell-wilson-entourage-seattle-seahawks

grassrootsphilosopher

b) This is where he went to school K-12 http://www.collegiate-va.org/page

c)keeping your childhood friends as your entourage is the blackest shit ever

Even in our leadership.

Leaders, people highly regarded (by blacks) and the highest
paid in just about every profession (except sports) are lighter.

And you're overlooking the most famous example of this "black
enough" dynamic ever: Ali-Frazier. It was the fairer-skinned
Muhammad Ali who had everyone hating the darker and less
attractive Joe Frazier, called him "the less black" one. You
can't just pick and choose what examples you want. The biggest
one ever works in opposition of your assertion.

>Blk ppl (sadly) tend to question or make judgements abt the
>authenticity of another blk person's "blkness" oftentimes
>based on something as frivolous as their physical appearance
>(can't be too light/can't speak the king's english too
>well/hair can't be too curly or straight)

They also discriminate in the other direction--beauty and
intelligence--based on darkness.

See: Frazier, Rachel Jeantel, etc (ridiculed by black people
as badly or worse than whites)

>Of course there's exceptions (McNabb)

No, not an exception at all.

>Obama went through the same thing early on in the 2008
>campaign from blk ppl

Nah, that was almost entirely hype. Black community was
behind him from pretty much the beginning. And
his trouble getting going in Chicago early on in his career
were about him being labeled a carpet bagger, same thing
that had Hilary off to a slow start in New York

>There's been hints of this type of thinking concerning Blake
>Griffin

LOL -- from who? Kobe actually gets that "black enough" stuff
more than Blake Griffin does.

>I'd love to hear reason(s) why they feel this way (if true)
>abt Russell...because I know they wouldn't have any legitimate
>one(s)

skinned blk ppl than love - this has been historically true

Being born and raised in the south and now living in a city (New Orleans dark skin blks and Creoles) where this type of intra-racial attitude is reflected in the social culture, I can tell you firsthand it's more envy for/self-hatred of themselves than love for light skin blk ppl

>Even in our leadership.
>
>Leaders, people highly regarded (by blacks) and the highest
>paid in just about every profession (except sports) are
>lighter.

But it's not like blk ppl are hiring or putting those ppl in those positions - don't forget that white ppl have always preferred fair-skinned blk ppl to darker-skinned blk ppl when it comes to hiring practices

>And you're overlooking the most famous example of this "black
>enough" dynamic ever: Ali-Frazier. It was the fairer-skinned
>Muhammad Ali who had everyone hating the darker and less
>attractive Joe Frazier, called him "the less black" one. You
>can't just pick and choose what examples you want. The
>biggest
>one ever works in opposition of your assertion.

But you're discounting the political climate being the reason for the opinions held by the blk community- if Ali was a regular brown/light-skinned blk guy from a *middle class* background who was just Cassuis Clay and Joe Frazier was just Joe from South Carolina, the general perceptions abt their "blackness" would be different but since we know that Ali was part of the BLACKEST ORGANIZATION in American history, not to mention he took a populace position to the Vietnam war which the vast majority of blk ppl were against ...and Joe Frazier happened to align himself w/Nixon and the pro-war advocates, we know that's what led blk ppl in general to feel the way they did abt both of them...

>>Blk ppl (sadly) tend to question or make judgements abt the
>>authenticity of another blk person's "blkness" oftentimes
>>based on something as frivolous as their physical appearance
>>(can't be too light/can't speak the king's english too
>>well/hair can't be too curly or straight)
>
>They also discriminate in the other direction--beauty and
>intelligence--based on darkness.

Of course but for different reasons than they discriminate against light skinned blks

>See: Frazier, Rachel Jeantel, etc (ridiculed by black people
>as badly or worse than whites)
>
>>Of course there's exceptions (McNabb)
>
>No, not an exception at all.
>
>>Obama went through the same thing early on in the 2008
>>campaign from blk ppl
>
>Nah, that was almost entirely hype. Black community was
>behind him from pretty much the beginning. And
>his trouble getting going in Chicago early on in his career
>were about him being labeled a carpet bagger, same thing
>that had Hilary off to a slow start in New York

No, that's not true - initially Hilary Clinton had *90%* of the blk vote because many within the blk community publicly said Barack wasn't blk enough - blk ppl didn't get on board until he won the Iowa primary...

>>There's been hints of this type of thinking concerning Blake
>>Griffin
>
>LOL -- from who? Kobe actually gets that "black enough" stuff

Mike Wilbon hinted at it - I remember there even being a debate who gets to claim him, blk or white ppl
>
>more than Blake Griffin does.

ppl only say this abt Bean because it's widely known he didn't grow up in the US and ppl have always wondered if he could understand or relate to the "blk experience" - has nothing to do w/his appearance

grassrootsphilosopher

Lightskinned women, maybe. But don't noboy envy or resent us.

You can believe what you want, really not trying to
have a 10th grade debate about race and color.

>skinned blk ppl than love - this has been historically true

Its been historically true that lighter skinned folks
are roundly preferred across the board--even within the
black community. This is 10th grade sociology here, really
not that deep, nor debatable.

>Being born and raised in the south and now living in a city
>(New Orleans dark skin blks and Creoles) where this type of
>intra-racial attitude is reflected in the social culture, I
>can tell you firsthand it's more envy/self-hatred of
>themselves than love for light skin blk ppl

I'm glad your personal experience has helped you solve
the race debate.

>But it's not like blk ppl are hiring or putting those ppl in
>those positions - don't forget that white ppl have always
>preferred fair-skinned blk ppl to darker-skinned blk ppl when
>it comes to hiring practices


>But you're discounting the political climate being the reason
>for the opinions held by the blk community- if Ali was a
>regular brown/light-skinned blk guy from a *middle class*
>background who was just Cassuis Clay and Joe Frazier was just
>Joe from South Carolina, the general perceptions abt their
>"blackness" would be different but since we know that Ali was
>part of the BLACKEST ORGANIZATION in American history, not to
>mention he took a populace position to the Vietnam war which
>the vast majority of blk ppl were against ...and Joe Frazier
>happened to align himself w/Nixon and the pro-war advocates,
>we know that's what led blk ppl in general to feel the way
>they did abt both of them...

Actually, Ali had more whites in his inner circle than
Frazier did. This has been well documented.

Ali was just being racist towards the darker skinned,
less attractive guy, and everyone--blacks and whites--bought
it.


>No, that's not true - initially Hilary Clinton had *90%* of
>the blk vote because many within the blk community publicly
>said Barack wasn't blk enough - blk ppl didn't get on board
>until he won the Iowa primary...

This isn't really debatable, Vee.

Barack didn't get any early votes (black or white) because nobody
knew who the fuck he was, and the Clintons were a political
dynasty-in-the-making. The minute Barack became a national
figure, blacks fell in line immediately. This isn't my opinion.
Blacks were his bedrock political base, and his ability to
dominate them were a big part of his early rise from fringe to
serious contender (blacks and the young far left, especially
women, are what did Hilary in. Not my opinion).

So the "Barack isn't black enough" narrative was never supported
by the data.

But again: feel how you want. I'm only telling you the
truth.

>ppl only say this abt Bean because it's widely known he didn't
>grow up in the US and ppl have always wondered if he could
>understand or relate to the "blk experience" - has nothing to
>do w/his appearance

That's precisely my point, and precisely counters yours:

Color isn't really it, because black people roundly claim
lighter skinned folks before they do dark folks all the time.
Its more about speaking, mannerisms, background, etc.

Hell, most militant blacks like Malcom over Martin, and
Malcom was at least a quadroon, with bright skin and
red hair.

Movie "School Daze" was abt? It exposed an intra-racial taboo within the black community that has persisted to this very day between light skin blks and dark skin blks (maybe it's a regional issue)..and Spike experienced this himself during his time at Morehouse - dark skin blk ppl feeling as if light skin blk ppl looked down and/or thought they were better than their darker brethrens thus creating resentment

The HBCUs (Morehouse/Spelman) in Atlanta used to blatantly disciminate against dark skinned blk ppl by making it's applicants submit a photo as part of the admission process and if you were too dark chances are you weren't getting accepted - and this is a practice that existed even up in the 90s - ever heard of the 'jacks and jills" clubs that many prominent blk ppl were a part of who only allowed certain blk ppl of a certain complexion to join? That certainly created a lot of resentment within the blk community in Atlanta

>You can believe what you want, really not trying to
>have a 10th grade debate about race and color.

It ain't a belief, though, it's what I know - I have some ppl in my own family who have been afflicted w/this mindset

>>skinned blk ppl than love - this has been historically true
>
>Its been historically true that lighter skinned folks
>are roundly preferred across the board--even within the
>black community. This is 10th grade sociology here, really
>not that deep, nor debatable.
>
>>Being born and raised in the south and now living in a city
>>(New Orleans dark skin blks and Creoles) where this type of
>>intra-racial attitude is reflected in the social culture, I
>>can tell you firsthand it's more envy/self-hatred of
>>themselves than love for light skin blk ppl
>
>I'm glad your personal experience has helped you solve
>the race debate.

If only it was solved

>>But you're discounting the political climate being the
>reason

>Actually, Ali had more whites in his inner circle than
>Frazier did. This has been well documented.

What does that have to do w/blk folks and their attitude abt dark and light skinned ppl?

>Ali was just being racist towards the darker skinned,
>less attractive guy, and everyone--blacks and whites--bought
>it.

And Ali's behavior was symptomatic of an attitude amongst many blk ppl (in the south especially) towards darker skinned blk ppl...the things he was saying abt Frazier reflected how many light skinned blk ppl acted towards and discriminated against dark skinned blks


>>the blk vote because many within the blk community publicly
>>said Barack wasn't blk enough - blk ppl didn't get on board
>>until he won the Iowa primary...
>
>This isn't really debatable, Vee.
>
>Barack didn't get any early votes (black or white) because
>nobody
>knew who the fuck he was, and the Clintons were a political
>dynasty-in-the-making.

Yes, you're right, it isn't debatable. And I'm not talking abt votes, I'm just talking support because he wasn't some unknown as you're proclaiming, the build-up for him to run had begun shortly after his speech as the keynote speaker at the democratic convention in 2004 (he had rappers and Oprah already encouraging and endorsing him to run before he even announced he was going to)

Barack has said when he was a community organizer on the southside of Chicago there was skepticism on the part of those in the community abt his ability to relate to them because he "looked different" - it's been speculated by many who covered Chicago politics that that was the reason he aligned himself w/Jeremiah Wright to give him some credibility amongst the blk ppl he was serving - guarantee you that if he were "black like Bernie 'Mac" that he wouldn't have had those issues


The minute Barack became a national
>figure, blacks fell in line immediately. This isn't my
>opinion.
>Blacks were his bedrock political base, and his ability to
>dominate them were a big part of his early rise from fringe
>to
>serious contender (blacks and the young far left, especially
>women, are what did Hilary in. Not my opinion).


>
>So the "Barack isn't black enough" narrative was never
>supported
>by the data.
>
>But again: feel how you want. I'm only telling you the
>truth.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/01/michelle.obama/index.html

^^^but you can *believe* what you want...but I KNOW this was an issue for many blk folks early on

>
>>ppl only say this abt Bean because it's widely known he
>didn't
>>grow up in the US and ppl have always wondered if he could
>>understand or relate to the "blk experience" - has nothing
>to
>>do w/his appearance
>
>That's precisely my point, and precisely counters yours:
>
>Color isn't really it, because black people roundly claim
>lighter skinned folks before they do dark folks all the time.

Not in every case, but color does dictate how some in the blk community perceive other blk ppl abt where they stand on issues pertaining to blk ppl...particularly when nothing else is known abt someone except the complexion of their skin

>Its more about speaking, mannerisms, background, etc.


The socio-economic strata a person belongs to does or can influence their mannerisms/background/speaking and light skinned blk ppl have had far greater access to entering into the middle or upper classes than dark skin blk ppl...which has created resentment amongst many in the blk community
>
>Hell, most militant blacks like Malcom over Martin, and
>Malcom was at least a quadroon, with bright skin and
>red hair.

Why is that hard to believe when one was part of a radical and *militant* organization while the other was a pacifist lol

grassrootsphilosopher

(translation: ALL ABOARD.... FOR COON TRAIN)

Russell Wilson is playing like the Ultimate "Black" QB -- running AND passing. Breaking records. And he has a ring. Already out there being great. And then this bullshit.

More time passes, it looks like the Seahawks were smart and sent Master P on his way to Football Purgatory before it could become a T.O. moment.

Russell should come out with a dis track and call it "No Listerine" to address all this doo doo breath slander hurled in his direction.

They don't like taking orders from black men

This is why black coaches can't get going in college

Because these niggerish parents prefer their kids go
to a school coached by a white person

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Yup, I've seen this first hand in my own family when a cousin of mine wanted to go play for Croom at Miss. St. his mom nudged him on to Kentucky, smh.

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"you gotta be real white to hate on a nxgga for eating." (c) okp infin8

https://twitter.com/DDMon710/status/525381289504165888

and she never uses her twitter.

He's good hair, light-skinned HBCU, talented-tenth Virginia black. That strand of blackness dates back to Madame CJ walker, predating gold-tooth dreadlock black by at least a couple of centuries.

>He's good hair, light-skinned HBCU, talented-tenth Virginia
>black. That strand of blackness dates back to Madame CJ
>walker, predating gold-tooth dreadlock black by at least a
>couple of centuries.

>He's good hair, light-skinned HBCU, talented-tenth Virginia
>black. That strand of blackness dates back to Madame CJ
>walker, predating gold-tooth dreadlock black by at least a
>couple of centuries.

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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes

http://thebiglead.com/2014/10/23/jason-whitlock-on-russell-wilson-i-could-see-how-these-issues-would-come-up/

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

They couldn't get him on:

Running too much
Not knowing how to pass from the pocket
Not winning enough
Not winning the big one
Not being able to put the team on his back

...so they go and get some "skin and grins" that never have a problem when a white QB is correcting their errors (i.e. Cussing them out).

He'll get past this one too.

He can't lose in 2014.

Michael Irvin on 950 KJR regarding criticism of Russell Wilson from other black players: "The QB can't do all of the junk that YOU do. That's why you never ask Tom Brady or Peyton Manning to go to titty bars with you. Don't ask Russell Wilson or RG3 or Cam Newton cuz they can't do it. They can't go in and make it rain with you, dummy."

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

<--- Big Baller World Order

http://www.sportsradiokjr.com/media/podcast-dave-softy-mahler-softy/michael-irvin-25477651/

mike killt that.

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he dropped so many gems, but I feel he essentially flipped it on the crabs and called THEM the sell outs for trying to tear down the Black QB and destroy Black history.

Mike Dogg...

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11-0 next up

which is now the new standard-bearer for worst outing by a playoff-game-winning QB.

Yeah...thats impressive

then a PERFECT QB rating the rest of the way?

that's called "man-ing the fuck up."

I mean I'm a fan of Russell Wilson but please.

about a few things..

Very few QBs lose that SB last year (& by very few I mean none) and he had a horrible game vs GB even if he threw the game winning TD in OT.

I love Russell but people need to slow down a bit.
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That's not hate tho.. I'm a big fan of Russ..
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What was so ill was seeing how the Hawks players really did not ever give up and believed they'd get back in the game.

On the flip side, as soon as we executed the fake FG, you could see the spirit of Green Bay start to fade and see the complacency set it.

It was kind of amazing to actually see something like that after it had been speculated on for 3 days prior.

Edit: It was also really ill to see Russell Wilson explode with some real passion since people think he's kind of a robot. "THEY DON'T WANT IT!!! MAN I WANT IT!!! I WANT THE MOTHER FUCKER!!! I AIN'T LOSIN!!!!!" https://vine.co/v/OIrP5F7M6Dh

You headin down there?

>What was so ill was seeing how the Hawks players really did
>not ever give up and believed they'd get back in the game.
>
>On the flip side, as soon as we executed the fake FG, you
>could see the spirit of Green Bay start to fade and see the
>complacency set it.
>
>It was kind of amazing to actually see something like that
>after it had been speculated on for 3 days prior.
>
>Edit: It was also really ill to see Russell Wilson explode
>with some real passion since people think he's kind of a
>robot. "THEY DON'T WANT IT!!! MAN I WANT IT!!! I WANT THE
>MOTHER FUCKER!!! I AIN'T LOSIN!!!!!"
>https://vine.co/v/OIrP5F7M6Dh

Yeah that was awesome. Lotta heart on both sides of the ball & it was extra sweet to finally see special teams step up w/ a couple huge plays. Quiet as kept they were an underrated key phase last year & had been a bit suspect this season up until last Sunday.

don't have the money, and even if i did, i'm still not sure if i'd go. i'm pretty superstitious about where i watch the game, LOL.

you just going to party or you going to the game too?

you're dead on about special teams this year vs. last.

from +4 last year to +2 cause of the smaller venue

didn't make the first cut but could get lucky by game time

>don't have the money, and even if i did, i'm still not sure
>if i'd go. i'm pretty superstitious about where i watch the
>game, LOL.

where do you usually watch it?