how much you think bron could get if there was no cap? 40m/year?

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8905486/lebron-james-think-paid-value-current-cba

INDIANAPOLIS -- LeBron James doesn't think it's possible to be paid his actual value under the current NBA rules. Because of it, he said, he's been willing to "sacrifice" on his contracts.

"What I do on the floor shows my value. At the end of the day, I don't think my value on the floor can really be compensated for, anyways, because of the (collective bargaining agreement)," James said Friday ahead of the Miami Heat's game against the Pacers (7 p.m. ET, ESPN) in Indianapolis.

"If you want the truth. If this was baseball, it'd be up, I mean way up there."

There is no salary cap in Major League Baseball. James, who took a pay cut to sign with the Heat in 2010, is making $17.5 million this season, tied for 13th-highest in the NBA. The Los Angeles Lakers' Kobe Bryant is first at $27.8 million.

In 2011, when he was asked what it would take to get him to play in Europe during the NBA's lockout, James speculated his play might be worth $50 million a year.

In the past several months, the Oklahoma City Thunder and Memphis Grizzlies have traded star players because they were concerned about their salaries being too costly when a more stringent luxury tax arrives next season. The Thunder traded James Harden last fall, and the Grizzlies traded Rudy Gay this week.

James and teammates Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh all took less than the maximum salary when they signed three years ago. That should enable the Heat to keep them together next season, even with the new tax rules. James doesn't believe they have gotten credit for that decision.

"I have not had a full max deal yet in my career -- that's a story untold," James said.

"I don't get (the credit) for it. That doesn't matter to me; playing the game is what matters to me. Financially, I'll sacrifice for the team. It shows for some of the top guys, it isn't all about money. That's the genuine side of this, it's about winning. I understand that."

Forbes recently estimated James earns $40 million per year in endorsements and sponsorships, thanks to deals with Nike, Coca-Cola, McDonald's, State Farm and Samsung.

Bosh also is earning $17.5 million this season, while Wade is making $17.1 million. Had they taken max deals in 2010, each could have made just under $20 million this season. It would have cost the Heat an additional $8 million in luxury taxes, roughly $12 million next season, and they might not have been able to add players Udonis Haslem, Mike Miller, Shane Battier and Ray Allen to the roster.

The Heat, however, would be subject to what is known as the "repeater" tax starting in 2014-15 if they keep James, Wade and Bosh together because they would be over the luxury tax for four years in a row. In that case, the Heat would pay a tax rate that is currently more than four times the current dollar-for-dollar rate. James, Wade and Bosh do have opt-out clauses in their contracts in summer 2014, however.

"I think teams understand that you need three guys to do big things; the "big three" thing is pretty cool if you can get it," James said. "To keep teams like this together, you may have to take even less because of the new CBA. I guess we'll find out."

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No cap in a huge market means he could make $50m, I'd think.

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Even with the cap, it's a shitty game for small market teams. I can't imagine many of those smaller teams staying alive for long (especially with the big owners bitching about revenue sharing.)

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look at all the recent player movement: outside of the miami dudes, pretty much everyone notable with any say in the matter has gone to either NY or LA (by Fagency or trade).

howard
nash
jamison
barnes
billups
cp3
crawford
deron
gerald wallace
lopez
joe johnson
kidd
carmelo
amare

since the money is basically the same no matter where you go, endorsement bucks, media attention and lifestyle give those two cities and their four franchises an enormous advantage. a team like utah or the milwaukee might actually be better off if they could just overpay for supreme talent.

i think what we're seeing right now has a lot to do with the LA and NY just hitting that point i their cycles of desperation at about the same time. they can't keep doing it under this cap. look at the nets for the next few years.

most of those dudes didn't go to those cities chasing endorsement money or even big city appeal....they were hoping to latch on to winners.

OKC got to keep KD and Westbrook because they could offer more money and could match any offer. Take away the salary cap and if KD is offered 25 million, the Thunder might match but then they are losing Westbrook.

As it is now, guys are at least in the 8th or 9th year in their career before they can escape via free agency.

Look at baseball, the lesser markets get to build players up but then lose them for all of their prime.

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And small markets overpaying to keep guys is how you get Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay's contracts. Or Landry Fields's. That's the biggest problem IMO. LeBron James would get 40 million but GMs would stupidly overbid on everyone else who might sniff an All-Star game.

What they'd need to do is have no max deals, no cap, but a harsh luxury tax. Maybe at 85 million. Somewhere where the small teams could afford to offer one huge deal but still be able to get the revenue sharing.

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Bron and Melo wouldn't make nowhere near the same salary

you would only probably pay Bron, Durant, Love, and maybe a Blake Griffin or Dwight upwards of 20+ million

you would have to have more of an all around game to really make paper

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griffin might get 30 when he should make 20. guys like curry or cousins would get cake off potential...it would be what the owners always complain about but more.

the people that would make less money would be midlevel vets with shitty timing or bad luck.

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It's simply not that popular. The market disparity would be fucking massive and unrelenting in that scenario and you can kiss about 5 tems goodbye within three years.

Whitlock just wrote a column on this very topic on how the NBA Union is doing a disservice to the NBA.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/jason-whitlock-lebron-james-fire-billy-hunter-nbpa-executive-director-get-paid-fair-value-40-million-fix-basketball-012213

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and MLB is almost double.

The NBA is third by a solid margin.

The fact that the NBA has more marketable stars works against yours and Shitlocks argument, to be honest. This actually means they have a far greater ability to earn more non-basketball related income through endorsements, thus their collective individual earning power is greater.

The NBA is seemingly becoming a more profitable enterprise right now, but it's a business and you own a team to make money. The players are extremely well compensated. This doesn't mean, of course, that there's no room for growth in player earnings; it merely lends a measure of context to the argument. The truth is, if Lebron makes more money, then so does everyone else. If he earns 50 million as opposed to 15 million, that essentially drives the market value of the league minimum up proportionately. The Heat would likely pay their big three a 100 mil at minimum. If you think they would have enough to pay the remaining 10 players to make a minimal NBA roster based on that sort of scale, coaching staff, trainers, physicians, management, staff, taxes, e tc, and still leave a worthwhile profit for the owners, you've got wild misconceptions about the state of NBA economics.

Namely that there are entire regions of the country that ignore the NBA and would ignore it no matter who was running the players union. There is no region of the country that ignores the NFL. There are pockets where MLB doesn't register, but its still a national game for the most part. The NBA is far more regional, like college football.

And while the NBA may have more marketable stars, the NFL has a better and more marketable product

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...in the league for a long enough time that I've lost count how many years it has been. And he's only getting better. He could be getting two max contracts, and he'd still be underpaid based on his value to a team.

It kind of just is what it is...

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someone would pay it.

when their contract expires i mean
even if they did i guess it wouldn't matter due to the cap
but then again the cap is under the CBA
which the player wouldn't have to adhere to

is there anything in the CBA that prevents a player from taking ownership of a team as compensation? that has no impact on the cap
players can take endorsements amiright so let's say prokeyoff gives lebron a $50 million endorsement from one of his shell companies

guessing none of these shit is possible but if i was a bron level player i'd see what i could do legally

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And possibly breaking the league in the process?

We can talk about fair, and we can talk about what benefits everyone the most, and trust me, the economics of the NBA are to the players overall advantage to have a cap- from Lebron down to Kwame Brown.

>players can take endorsements amiright so let's say prokeyoff
>gives lebron a $50 million endorsement from one of his shell
>companies

Do endorsement deals have to be approved by the league? I can't recall a situation where a player had an endorsement deal from a company that the team owner owns. If this was legal I'd think that it would have been done before to get around the salary cap. You didn't see LeBron doing commercials for Quicken Loans when he was in Cleveland.

But I'd also think that the money could be funneled through another company. I don't know how much companies are paying teams for advertising, but I'm sure that the companies that are "presenting sponsors" for teams are paying a ton. So if a company like Ford is a presenting sponsor for the Heat, couldn't the Heat arrange a huge discount on their sponsorship if Ford also gives LeBron a multimillion dollar endorsement deal?

Ish like this is why the NCAA tries not to let student athletes make ANY money at all...if there's a way for them to earn money then people will FIND a way to funnel money to them, whether its from a "job", free services, etc., and coaches will find a way to use that as an advantage in recruiting.

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in another sport. He plays basketball. There is a salary cap. Trying to claim what he could be worth in another sport, is a coulda woulda shoulda. Silly journalism to entertain if you ask me. Waste of my time interview.

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easiest, smartest solution in the world -- it allows small market teams to have hope in bargaining, f.ex. if the Knicks made Melo their uncapped star, then Durant becomes a free agent, suddenly OKC has a leg up on negotiating against the Knicks because if OKC has an uncapped slot whereas the Knicks is already occupied by Melo, OKC can now outbid NYK. and wouldn't OKC see Durant as more valuable given that their sales department has been selling tickets with his face on them for years? so they have a natural incentive to want to protect their "marketing" investment by paying extra for a guy like Durant. as for how the uncapped slot works in the salary cap structure, you just make it equivalent to a MAX contract placeholder. so if Melo is uncapped, he can earn whatever NYK wants to pay him, but for the salary cap structure it's billed as a $17M/yr deal or whatever.

it's pro-player, it's pro-small market, it's pro-keeping players in the same city and not having people burn Lebron's jersey on national TV. it's exactly because good ideas like this ARE out there, but both sides seemed solely focused on how to chop up the pie in the last CBA instead of actually thinking about ways to improve the governing structures of the NBA that the lockout frustrated me so much.

(and yes -- this is wholly a theft of the "Designated Player" idea that MLS created in order to have a way to sign David Beckham while still maintaining their stringent salary cap. so if you want functioning examples of how this works, there are now years of experience with it in MLS and I think you'd have a hard time finding anyone who didn't unequivocally say it was a great rule change for the league.)

(and yes Lebron is worth more $ than anyone in the league and it's stupid that the NBA has a system which doesn't reflect that)

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i dont hate the idea

I think he'd give him 50 mil per year

and how wonderful that has worked out to be for the Yankees, their fans, other teams...