In Kendrick's recent single "The Heart Part 4" he calls himself the greatest rapper alive. Now when he says this, I'm not taking it in a literal sense like "oh, yeah Andre 3000 is still alive, so Kendrick is wrong, so is Nas...what is he talking about". I take it in the sense that based on recent releases, in my opinion, if we take into account only 2010 until now Kendrick is the best rapper alive.

Since 2010 he has done nothing but improve release after release. When I first heard Overly Dedicated back then, I'll admit even though that mixtape is good, I didn't expect him to get to this level - commercially or critically. He is extremely technically skilled but at the same time understands what it takes conceptually, sequencing wise etc. to make great albums from front to back. Even his outtakes (Untitled Unmastered) are better than many of his peers' albums. He has already released 2 albums (GKMC, TPAB) that will most likely be considered classic - if they aren't already (and although this may sound crazy, by a good number of young people, I'm talking under 30 - they are). On everything he has released, even OD, there are songs that I find incredible, and TPAB in particular is actually one of my favorite albums of all time.

I find that album to be in the lineage of albums like Aquemini, which is another one of my favorite albums of all time - it has lyrical depth, socially relevant concepts and instrumentally it's beautiful and extremely creative - funky, soulful. I mean, if Aquemini came out in the music climate of today, would it be labeled "experimental" and shock fanbases like TPAB did? Maybe - although Aquemini after ATLiens is arguably much less of a jump than GKMC to TPAB and Aquemini had "Rosa Parks", an amazingly catchy single. Andre 3000, in my opinion, has to be one of Kendrick's biggest influences (check his flow on "Art of Peer Pressure" off of GKMC or "You Ain't Gotta Lie" of TPAB). It was also nice seeing some of the LA music scene - Thundercat, Kamasi Washington, Terrance Martin (even though his album was disappointing) etc. get some well deserved shine after it's release.

But obviously not everyone agrees with all of this. There are criticisms people have of him - some don't like his (multiple) voices, others didn't like how jazzy, "experimental" or whatever TPAB was, others just think he is good but widely overrated due to the fact that the competition in his lane is so weak (there is also the fact that the rap internet was acting like he invented the concept album after GKMC came out)...

So basically, in terms of "best rapper alive" from 2010-now, if it's not him for you, who ya'll got? It doesn't have to be anyone with a huge following or anything, literally anyone you think has been killing it on a high level within this time period

Oddisee? Killer Mike? Aesop Rock? El-P? Nas (Life is Good is a great album and that "Nas is Done" verse is ridiculous, but where is his album)? I don't know I'm just throwing out the names of people who I think have been killing it

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Pharoahe Monch is one of the best, just waiting on him to come thru and release a great album again like "Eternal Affairs".

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Stress is one of my favorite hip hop albums of all time, I'm talking like Top 10, but his solo output after Desire has disappointed me to be honest. He is still a fantastic MC though

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Locksmith is far better emcee than Kendrick.

Crooked I is a historically better emcee and I dare one of y'all Kendrick stans to challenge me on this.

And if you don't know the difference you shouldn't discuss

Both of them are better emcees than Kendrick Lamar.

SMH at this idiot stalking me around OKP trying to farm upvotes.

... With anyone on here. I can discuss whatever I want but you are MORE THAN WELCOME TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT minus stalking me around OKP.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

Dude asked if he was the GREATEST MC

And you answers with MCs you felt were BETTER.

There is a big difference.

So go ahead and discuss whatever you want but make sure you know the damn discussion.

what is this? 2006? them dudes are in their 40s and they have yet to drop a single classic song.

>what is this? 2006? them dudes are in their 40s and they have
>yet to drop a single classic song.

I won't argue your opinion but you ignore both emcees' output. Crooked I has records that don't get the radio play they deserve. The same can be said for Locksmith.

Kendrick gets hype for saying some basic shit. People need to come out and call Kendrick what he is: a decent/good emcee that benefited from a void of commercially viable Compton emcees. I like Kendrick's story and some of his records but using "greatest" in reference to himself as an emcee is a slap in the face to real emcees out here putting in work.

When Jay-z called himself the god MC he had a leg to stand on in terms of quality of bars. Do I have to make a Kendrick quotable post to highlight some of the shit he says that people claim is great?

Agree...not to mention the Dre co-sign...I mean he is nice with his, but never have been blown away with his ish...

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

You still think he is living off a Dre cosign?

...

You know what, it is isn't even worth it.

You are literally one of the most biased, hypocritical dudes on here.


If K-dot was white and rapped over strictly boom bap beats, you'd love his "slick ish" or "quality ish" or "flavor" or whatever corny term you are still using.


You are over here cosigning Crooked I>>> Kendrick nonsense like you could name 5 Crooked tracks without googling.

smh

Stay in your lane, man.

Nope...that's just how he got the jump off in large part...all I am saying is guy is talented, just not the second coming...By the way, I'm blacker then your momma's ass crack, so watch your mouth. Always coming sideways at people, slow down, attempt to speak to a female, and try to be happy. I don't care if a person is black, yellow, brown, white, or green, if you can spit, I give props where it's due...

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

Could you name a few Locksmith and Crooked I projects that we need to hear before saying Kendrick is the best

Of St.Ides before you find a Crooked I album

Neither locksmith or Crooked I are greater (or better) than Kendrick. This really can't be up for debate.

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top 5 right now imho

Kenny
Lupe
Nas
Killer Mike
Joey Bada$$

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That claim seems to me to be a claim that he is better than his peers in his generation. He's he's a better lyricist than Joey Bad@$$. Has the swag of ASAP Rocky and had made more classic songs than J. Cole.

Drake has more sales, but Kendrick is more clever and a better wordsmith than Drake.

Is Kendrick better than Hova, Nas, Pharoah, Rakim, KRS-ONE, Andre 3K and Em? I dunno. To me picking amongst the top 10 is more of a matter of taste than it is recognizing talent as skill.

I personally think Kendrick, more than any of his peers, is at that top level. Boasts like, 'I'm GOAT.' always seem figurative to me.

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Kendrick is trash. Corporate trash. The guy is serviceable at best lyrically and has been getting progressively worse at rapping. Plus he overcooks his already awful voice and has chosen to rap on thundercat throwaways.



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there is no single greatest rapper alive. duh. but kendrick is trash as stated.

that's cool, but I'm curious as to how anyone who *actually* listened to it could call it "corporate", especially his last record

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don't look to him for great opinions on rap music.

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GKMC
TPAB
untitled/unmastered
...evolving/changing with each album.
a ton of incredible guest verses and unreleased songs ('Cartoons & Cereal', "Never Gonna Catch Me", "Buried Alive")
Amazing live performances on Colbert, Grammy's, Ellen, SNL
iconic music videos like "Alright", that 'god is gangsta' short film, etc.

there are plenty of others who have great output, but i just don't see anyone else having that quantity of diverse output at that level.

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Easily the most talented rapper of the generation. I'd still say Kendrick's better simply cause he wants it more. You can hear it in his lyrics and vocals.

No one else right now is coming close to him when it comes down to make great rap songs. The bigger artists in the genre are technically pop stars. All of the rappers with more lyrical ability are not nearly as good at songwriting.

Kendrick's vocal performances have consistently improved with each project. The only rapper with vocals as interesting as Kendrick is Young Thug....whose lyrics can be shit occasionally.
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While Kendrick ain't even has his thirtieth birthday yet...

Why is that so hard to accept? Which one of his peers is putting out better material? Please list some projects for me to check out.

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right now, the mainstream is kind of weird in the sense that I feel that the people who are constantly put into conversations with Kendrick - his peers, like J. Cole for example, are really nowhere near him. I don't really think there is a past era of hip hop where I can say that the "best" MC was that far ahead of his direct competition. Musically and lyrically (I don't consider Lupe to be "direct" competition)

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Not sure if Lupe is his peer but...*shrugs*

I'm surprised T&Y got little to no love. That shit is a work of art.

it felt like to me like lots of Lupe fans (myself included) viewed it as a fantastic return to form. Also the mixtape he released later that year was also flames. Maybe it wasn't commercial love, but there was definitely love.

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And it was every bit as good and as social conscious.

Plus Lupe is 10x a better lyricist.

But if you look at end of year lists last year...Lupe is nowhere to be found.

and even though Lupe is a better lyricist (though I'd say 10x is ridiculous, but hey, opinions), Kendrick is still a great lyricist, and made a better album (IMO). It also helps that Kendrick is a newer artist and didn't just drop two albums that his fanbase didn't like. He has been on a hot streak since coming into the public eye. It also helps Kendrick that his overall message is less shrouded - even though at times you do have to "decode" Kendrick, you don't have to decode Kendrick like you do Lupe. It's more immediate - which works in his favor in terms of mainstream praise. I mean, "Alright" was legit chanted at Black Lives Matter protests, that is not going to happen with a Lupe song. TPAB came out at the perfect time socially.

Also, Lupe had his time in the limelight and kind of fucked it up (in terms of critical praise) with Lasers. Even Lupe himself admitted on twitter that even though he doesn't see himself as lyrically worse than Kendrick, he sees Kendrick musically as better. Lupe is one of my favorite MCs right now still, despite how shitty Drogas Light was.

I recognize though that musically TPAB is not for everyone, but to me - the production was incredible. A lot of musicians I really dig or grew to dig because of that album, worked on it.

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TPAB was better produced but I wouldn't say it was musically much better.

If T&Y was played live by the same musicians it would sound much better as well.

I do prefer the "sound" of TPAB as well though. That's my favorite aspect of that album.

And it's kind of odd to say that T&Y doesn't deserve the same recognition because Lupe "fucked up his chance in the limelight". What does that have to do with the actual quality of this album?

All that does is prove that people don't know how to be objective.

I've got nothing against Kendrick...I love him as an artist also and he will go down with a better track record than Lupe and ultimately higher on the GOATs list.

But I still find it odd that TPAB was seen as a once in a generation album and T&Y which was released the same year just kind of got glossed over.

Mural...Dots & Lines...Prisoners 1 & 2...Body of Work...Little Death...Deliver...Madonna...Adoration of the Magi

Shit is genius levels of work right there.

>And it's kind of odd to say that T&Y doesn't deserve the same
>recognition because Lupe "fucked up his chance in the
>limelight". What does that have to do with the actual quality
>of this album?

I'm not saying that, I'm saying that THAT IS PART OF WHY it didn't get the same recognition. It has nothing to do with the actual quality of the album, but it does have to do with Lupe's status in "the game" as we know it right now. And that ALWAYS affects how an album is received by the masses. Come on. We both know this. Lupe in terms of mainstream recognition and acclaim was on his way out, again, Lupe himself has recognized this on twitter, while Kendrick has been steamrolling in for 5+ years now.

>Mural...Dots & Lines...Prisoners 1 & 2...Body of Work...Little >Death...Deliver...Madonna...Adoration of the Magi
>Shit is genius levels of work right there.

I don't use the song genius that loosely but I agree that those are fantastic songs, some of them being "genius level"

and no one is objective in these conversations

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I'm talking about critics that review music online that in most cases put quality shit on their years end lists. Lupe was missing from most of those.

I know he fucked his chance up for mainstream acceptance...I'm not that dumb bro.

>I'm talking about critics that review music online that in
>most cases put quality shit on their years end lists. Lupe was
>missing from most of those.

Lupe was missing from those lists for the same reasons I stated above. Critics are not immune to it. I read lots of online music publications and generally every year (when it comes to the popular websites, and I believe this has an effect on smaller publications as well) it's a certain crop of albums that squeak into the lists. Sure obviously not the same albums to a T, but you know what I mean.

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It still suffered from some weak hooks (Blur My Hands and Dots & Lines), unremarkable songs (Body of Work, Deliver) and general unevenness...

What I will say is that Lupe's pen game is stronger than Kendrick's. Reading Lupe's lyrics is more impressive than reading Kendrick's in many cases. But as far as flow and delivery -- Kendrick is definitely ahead. Lupe's flow isn't really something to marvel at, but Kendrick's flows are so crazy that they're almost an instrument. His flow is so mercurial that it's almost like a instrument soloing in a jazz arrangement.

If Lupe could stop messing with these corny ass vocalists like Guy Sebastian, Skyler Grey and the like he'd be better off. It worked with Matthew Santos to an extent (though I do know lots of people who hated his vocals), but with all these other folks... It's just unpleasant. Nikki Jean is such a better compliment to his music.

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>It still suffered from some weak hooks (Blur My Hands and
>Dots & Lines), unremarkable songs (Body of Work, Deliver) and
>general unevenness...
>

Dots & Lines is a weak hook? That shit is incredible once you break the meaning down.

Blur My Hands is a pretty standard singing hook for a hip-hop song. If that is weak then there are a few on TPA B that could be deemed weak.

If Body Of Work and Delivery are unremarkable then I'm just going to assume you don't get the genius in those two songs.

>What I will say is that Lupe's pen game is stronger than
>Kendrick's. Reading Lupe's lyrics is more impressive than
>reading Kendrick's in many cases. But as far as flow and
>delivery -- Kendrick is definitely ahead. Lupe's flow isn't
>really something to marvel at, but Kendrick's flows are so
>crazy that they're almost an instrument. His flow is so
>mercurial that it's almost like a instrument soloing in a jazz
>arrangement.
>

I can agree with that. Although I give Lupe more credit than you do in this area.

>If Lupe could stop messing with these corny ass vocalists like
>Guy Sebastian, Skyler Grey and the like he'd be better off. It
>worked with Matthew Santos to an extent (though I do know lots
>of people who hated his vocals), but with all these other
>folks... It's just unpleasant. Nikki Jean is such a better
>compliment to his music.

Nikki is real dope.

I can tell by your avy you are a bit bias.

Yes, he's saying something in all those songs, they're all packed with meaning, but to me the SOUND of them is unremarkable and the hook in Dots & Lines just SOUNDS bad. Miss me with "it's so deep." It isn't pleasing to the ear. That's it. And hooks like Guy's on Blur My Hands are not 'standard' for what I listen to... as a matter of fact, when Kendrick did something similar (the intro to Ronald Reagan Era), I chopped it off the mp3.

Also, everyone is biased (not bias), including you.

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it's all good...

whatever helps you sleep at night.

we have to champion something to feel like we're in the "in crowd"

I'm sorry that you're so hurt that people don't acknowledge T&Y's greatness.

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meanwhile...
you've been throwing shade at me this whole exchange.
you are a bit bias(sic)
you want to be in the in crowd


yeah you're hurt that lupe hasn't been getting the love. that's what this whole chain has been about.

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Says the guy who has an avy of TPAB.

but but but Tetsuo...
but but but Guy Sebastian...
foh

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I'm not.
Hope you feel better bruh.

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And that's not you so you can go ahead and get the last word.

Enjoy TPAB...just remember it makes you cool to like it so when the new Kendrick drops you can already call it a classic without hearing it just to maintain your status.

how did his reasoning not add up - he said the hook sounds bad, there are lots of songs or aspects of songs with super deep meanings that may just sound bad to some people. That's how opinions work. This isn't that complicated, the meaning isn't going to make the hook SOUND amazing - that's on the singer and the melodic structure etc etc etc. Stevie Wonder could sing the dumbest shit ever and make it sound about 500000x better than anyone who has sung on a Lupe album. And then you pretty much say that he holds that opinion because Kendrick is more popular and he wants to fit in the crowd?

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I'm not telling you he's Stevie.

Shit, I wouldn't even buy the dudes album...but to act like it was the worst singing ever recorded is laughable.

And LOL @ shitting on the music of T&Y with Body of Work which contains an ill T Martin feature as your example and then praise TPAB which also contains the same damn artist.

"Body Of Work" is one of my favorite songs of that year - period. This is about the "Dots & Lines" hook, which I agree isn't that good. It doesn't have to be the worst singing ever to be lackluster and again, the meaning can't save a lackluster hook musically. Producers can sound different on different records, leading to different opinions on those records, despite the fact that there is a common factor between them. I think Martin sounds great on both, but Hitokiri disagrees obviously, and that's cool.

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And I was talking about the Blur My Hands hook no Dots & Lines.

Although I think both are dope.

but you can't expect a cat that's been around to generate the same buzz as a fairly new cat. It's not how it works fam. Lupe delivered a great album which we had been waiting for him to do for a while. Lupe had his time and he didn't consistently deliver the goods. It's Kendrick's time now and so far he's delivering. Gotta tip my hat to the young man.

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Lupe did.

I get what you and Kosa are saying...and maybe that just means Lupe isn't Kendrick's "peer" because he's been out longer.

But as far as what was released, T&Y was just as good.

And yes, it got love around here but for the most part, in the grand scheme of things, was glossed over.

T&Y was great but how long did it take Lupe to deliver that great album? The Cool came out toward the end of 07 so we're talking 7 years of disappointing material. Unless you're a fan of Lasers and Food & Liquor II? I'm the first to admit that nobody can rap better than Lu but he doesn't give us great albums often enough.

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I mean, I'll agree to disagree on which album is better - I don't think T&Y is just as good personally, and we can argue all day about that, but what isn't arguable is that for a lot of people, Lupe didn't deliver in the period between The Cool and T&Y. Of course when we are talking about coverage/praise from the media (which is what the conversation went to) the younger, more consistent and more popular artist is going to get more praise most of the time. T&Y was one of my favorite rap albums that year, but it makes sense.

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All I did was give you an album that was as good.

I'm not here to vouch for Lasers and F&L2 but Lupe is as good as Kendrick man.

I didn't know we had to factor years in...

Lupe has 3 great albums.

As I said...maybe Kendrick will end up having the better career but let's not act like Lupe isn't right there and can't keep pace if he decides to release dope shit instead of this Drogas Light bullshit.

I've never heard a single song of his

>All I did was give you an album that was as good.
>
>I'm not here to vouch for Lasers and F&L2 but Lupe is as good
>as Kendrick man.
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>I didn't know we had to factor years in...
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>Lupe has 3 great albums.
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>As I said...maybe Kendrick will end up having the better
>career but let's not act like Lupe isn't right there and can't
>keep pace if he decides to release dope shit instead of this
>Drogas Light bullshit.
>
>

Lupe isn't right there though and it's because of the reason you mentioned. Give us the dope shit. Not drogas light

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Debate... I mean he able to appeal to everyone and still has a message. He can do commercial, underground, political, party shit, and battle

He's mastered different flows, is wordplay is dope, his metaphors aren't forced..

I don't understand the argument that he's not saying anything or his words are simple.

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The artist named most often here is Lupe Fiasco, and I could never get into Kendrick *or* Lupe because they fell short of some sort of golden-age bar of dope to me. Both of them were corny to me when they first emerged and I just can't get past that first impression...

But then again... I worked with some guys like Roc Marciano and Elzhi, whose cleverness manages to not only meet criteria from the golden age of rap, but to elevate it and push the rap poetry art forward.

I'm not saying either one of those guys is the best... just saying that I am not operating on the same mental plane as you guys who can say with a straight face that Kendrick is the best.

I can listen to a new Andre 3000 verse, have my mind blown, listen to it a dozen times straight and appreciate it more and more.... and then read it transcribed and appreciate it even more.

I try to listen to Kendrick verse with an open mind and usually find a moment or two where I cringe, puzzled as to how *this* is the high bar of modern emceeing... then when I go back to read the lyrics transcribed, I feel even worse about it.

I respect Kendrick as an artist I think--the music on his last album was great--but he just doesn't speak to me at all. And I've been struggling with this for how many years now? When the supposed best artist is just like *whoooosh*

One ear right out the other....

>I try to listen to Kendrick verse with an open mind and
>usually find a moment or two where I cringe, puzzled as to how
>*this* is the high bar of modern emceeing... then when I go
>back to read the lyrics transcribed, I feel even worse about
>it.


That's where the disconnect is.
Kendrick's brilliance isn't necessarily that
of hot lines/punchlines or even hot verses.
It's the execution of concepts over the
course of an entire song or album. Take
"These Walls" for instance. If you're
listening to that for a dope line, you're
missing the point entirely. Same goes
for "Complexion."

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Interesting take...

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

It's odd to me that people talk about Kendrick not having BARS (ie punchlines)... He's never been that kind of rapper.

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>It's odd to me that people talk about Kendrick not having
>BARS (ie punchlines)... He's never been that kind of rapper.

Know what I mean ? If we're going by the traditional definition of "best MC" then someone who "lacks bars" can't really be in that conversation, IMO.

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that's me though.
If that was the case there would be a whole lot of 90s-00s battle rappers who would have been able to make a case for best emcee, while not being able to craft a song to save their lives.

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that it has to be part of the equation if you're going to be considered the best MC/rapper alive.

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it's a part of the equation, but I think there are enough other factors that if that's not what you do, that's fine.

I think there's lots of great emcees that don't score high in the punchline category... from Andre, to Mos, to Oddisee

But they shine in other ways.

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>I think there's lots of great emcees that don't score high in
>the punchline category... from Andre, to Mos, to Oddisee

Oddisee is the only one from that list that I don't think necessarily has a plethora of dope punchlines to speak of, and even he has his moments.

But 3k and Mos ?! Oh man. They have a *million* punchlines, that are perfectly blended with the social commentary and meaningful lyrics, which is what makes guys like that "great" like we're discussing.

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I just went through a few verses in my head quickly and the punchlines aren't what stick out to me.
Shrug.

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We agree on the larger, general point.

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