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Tony Hanes
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"Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present"


          

Simple...Where is Common on your all time list?

You know what's next....the Questions

1. Is Common in the top 10 all time?
2. Is Nas and Common more of a comparison because they are poetic MC's?
3. Does Common have a classic LP? No great, but Classic. How many?
4. Is his career done now to you?
5. Random Common comment...

Studio albums

Can I Borrow a Dollar? (1992)
Resurrection (1994)
One Day It'll All Make Sense (1997)
Like Water for Chocolate (2000)
Electric Circus (2002)
Be (2005)
Finding Forever (2007)
Universal Mind Control (2008)
The Dreamer/The Believer (2011)

Collaborative albums

Cruel Summer (with GOOD Music) (2012)

PEACE

  

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RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present
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THANKS BADU.
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RE: He was my favorite MC for over a decade.
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RE: He was my favorite MC for over a decade.
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      nah man, Com was way better in the latter 1/2 of the 90's
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      RE: My reaching what?
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           lol
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RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present
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RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present
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he doesn't.
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RE: he doesn't.
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can't really say/do much besides vehemently disagree with that assertion
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      RE: can't really say/do much besides vehemently disagree with that asser...
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ur buggin
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Resurrection is a classic
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      That 'Be is a classic' meme already expired, that's one of those albums
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           good thing ur just 1 dude w/ a narrow view of things
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                lol, yes, my view is narrow since it differs from yours
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                     of course
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He's a top 10 favorite for me
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RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present
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RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present
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LoL
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      aha, it worked
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           I guess so
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                RE: I guess so
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                     RE: I guess so
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                          yeah, Com didn't fall in the "trap"
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                               LOL
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                                    i gotta say one thing
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He is a Broke Nas IMO
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^^^^doesn't know what he's talking about
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      25-50 ranking
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RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present
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Nas, Jay-Z, Ghost, Com...
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Good to Great MC
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RE: Good to Great MC
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RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present
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RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present
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All time? top 20.
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Especially considered longevity and number of great albums, top 20
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If not top 10 then probably 11 to 15....definitely top 20
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Top 30 or so
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IMHO..top two...#1 favorite artist, you mentioned in OP
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RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present
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You couldn't think it was that good, you didn't even answer the ?'s!
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blueeclipse
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1. "RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present"
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1. Is Common in the top 10 all time?

Yes, but barely.

2. Is Nas and Common more of a comparison because they are poetic MC's?

No. I don't think they have much in common at all honestly.

3. Does Common have a classic LP? No great, but Classic. How many?

There's no doubt in my mind that Resurrection is a classic. LWFC is damn close. That is it.

4. Is his career done now to you?

Absolutely not. I think the metric for what's done or not in hip hop is ridiculous. I feel like that's what pushed Com to make that wack ass Universal Mind Control album instead of staying in his lane. If he still has something to say then he's not done.


5. Random Common comment...

He's the Bruce Banner of hip hop to me. When he's thoughtful and vulnerable......he's dope. When he Hulks up and goes in. He's dope.

  

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2. "THANKS BADU."
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3. "RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present"
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>Simple...Where is Common on your all time list?
>
>You know what's next....the Questions
>
>1. Is Common in the top 10 all time? He's in that 11-15 range

>2. Is Nas and Common more of a comparison because they are
>poetic MC's? There styles are different. Jay and Nas are a better comparison

>3. Does Common have a classic LP? No great, but Classic. How
>many? I think Resurrection and Be are close to classics but fall a little short. I guess Be would be his classic though. Resurrection is my favorite Com album.

>4. Is his career done now to you? Unfortunately, yes. Hollywood seems to be his main focus which means we'll get solid material like The Dreamer but not classic Lonnie

>5. Random Common comment... I love Electric Circus and not on no revisionist shit. Been riding with that album and taking flack for it since late 02.
>
>Studio albums
>
> Can I Borrow a Dollar? (1992)
> Resurrection (1994)
> One Day It'll All Make Sense (1997)
> Like Water for Chocolate (2000)
> Electric Circus (2002)
> Be (2005)
> Finding Forever (2007)
> Universal Mind Control (2008)
> The Dreamer/The Believer (2011)
>
>Collaborative albums
>
> Cruel Summer (with GOOD Music) (2012)
>
>PEACE

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Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

  

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4. "RE: He was my favorite MC for over a decade."
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>Where is Common on your all time list?
>
He was at #1 (for hip hop artists) and about #3 overall favorite music makers from about 95-2005.

>
>1. Is Common in the top 10 all time?
I think he is.

>2. Is Nas and Common more of a comparison because they are
>poetic MC's?
Com used to be light years ahead of Nas, now they're about equals. I think comparing them is a disservice to both.

>3. Does Common have a classic LP? No great, but Classic. How
>many?
At least two, I'd say, with an arguable third. (Resurrection, Like Water for Chocolate and maybe One Day).

>4. Is his career done now to you?
Musically, he hasn't had anything to really say for at least five years. Probably longer.

'choons:
"honesty blush 2.0" http://bit.ly/13BGbya
"moira 2.0." http://bit.ly/1cmJiCH
"jacques snicket." http://bit.ly/14iU9Xs
"I've always been interested in people, but I've never liked them."
—Henry James
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6. "RE: He was my favorite MC for over a decade."
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Common was NEVER light years ahead of Nas. That is just a crazy comment. From what era? 1994-1998 those music Nas made was unreal from Illmatic, It Was Written to the Double CD worth of Music that should have been I AM. (some ended up on Lost Tapes). Common best work could be LWFC and that was when, like 2000? His first LP was average and was JV to Nas Varsity Illmatic album. I admit that Resurrection, One Day and LWFC is hell of a run and maybe equal to Nas. Light years....your reaching. Nas unreleased material from 1996-1999 is unreal. I'm a HUGE Common fan by the way.

  

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11. "nah man, Com was way better in the latter 1/2 of the 90's"
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Com was putting together a string of classic LPs & guest appearances while, after 95, Nas was pretty much falling off tryna play those thug games

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24. "RE: My reaching what?"
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>Light years....your
>reaching.


'choons:
"honesty blush 2.0" http://bit.ly/13BGbya
"moira 2.0." http://bit.ly/1cmJiCH
"jacques snicket." http://bit.ly/14iU9Xs
"I've always been interested in people, but I've never liked them."
—Henry James
austintayeshus.blogspot.com

  

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31. "lol"
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5. "RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present"
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>1. Is Common in the top 10 all time?

for some. i'd put him in the 10-20 range


>2. Is Nas and Common more of a comparison because they are
>poetic MC's?


nas is faaarrrrr more poetical. but i think they'd make a great album together if nas.com ever happened.

>3. Does Common have a classic LP? No great, but Classic. How
>many?

resurrection is an undeniable classic. midwest illmatic. LWFC and Be are both near classic.

>4. Is his career done now to you?

no. he's had some great verses with cocaine 80's, and the dreamer/the believer was pretty good.

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Tony Hanes
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8. "RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present"
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I agree. Common is like #10-#15 to me which is great.

I would say 2 classic albums

  

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7. "he doesn't."
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>Simple...Where is Common on your all time list?
>
>You know what's next....the Questions
>
>1. Is Common in the top 10 all time?
10?!?!?

Naw.

Way too many greats to even be considered.

>2. Is Nas and Common more of a comparison because they are
>poetic MC's?
Not really, Nas runs circles around Comm.

>3. Does Common have a classic LP? No great, but Classic. How
>many?
No.

>4. Is his career done now to you?
Yes.

>5. Random Common comment...
>

  

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9. "RE: he doesn't."
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According to your dude above, Common was light years ahead of NAS.

  

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10. "can't really say/do much besides vehemently disagree with that assertion"
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>According to your dude above, Common was light years ahead of
>NAS.

Comm is better onstage, that'd be the one area I'd give him but even that gap has sorta closed since Nas got his show game together in recent years.

  

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13. "RE: can't really say/do much besides vehemently disagree with that asser..."
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Yeah, I just saw Nas Life is Good tour and his stage game had come a long way. Great show.

As for Common, I love dude music. From 94-2000 he was dope, just not better than Nas to me...nope

  

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12. "ur buggin"
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36. "Resurrection is a classic"
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And I'm willing to bet "Be" will stand the test of time and be considered a classic in time, as well.

  

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39. "That 'Be is a classic' meme already expired, that's one of those albums"
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whose circumstances (following what was widely perceived as an experimental misstep, returning to his 'hip-hop roots') and associations (Kanye being the hottest producer in the game at the helm, the split from Badu) along with the era (G-Unit, Houston/ATL club rap & Dipset on top) combined to have this getting the five-mic (or actually more accurately, the XXL) treatment.

After the smoke cleared & ten years has passed, it's pretty much simmered down to just being a good, solid album at best.

Nobody's out here still bumping Faithful, Testify or even Chi-City (with some of Comm's most cringeworthy, dated battle rhymes) these days.

He was spitting harder on 'Circus' on tracks like Soul Power or Aquarius than anything on 'Be'.

'Finding Forever' gets a lukewarm reception when really as an album it's not much different than 'Be' in retrospect.

I disagree on time treating that album as a classic, that ship already sailed as far as I can tell: it's went into orbit as an 'instant classic' but has since came back to earth.

As for 'Resurection', I know it's conventional wisdom amongst diehard Comm fans, Chicago folks, or true-school/Okayplayery types that the album is indeed a classic but personally that's always been a thought I felt like I supposed to buy into then one I genuinely believed. It's the only mid-90's 'classic' solo MC album that I don't know the track listing to by heart.

I Used to Love Her is a canonical rap song, Another Wasted Nite is a classic interlude/skit, the title track feels classic and a couple other joints (Watermelon, Communism) are standouts but personally I haven't put that album on & left it on in years nor does anyone I came up listening to rap music with back east or anyone I've met in ten years now in the West.

To me 'Like Water For Chocolate' checks off more of the classic boxes but still ain't quite there.

Call me crazy if you will, I like Comm but even entertaining him as a TOP 10 MC OF ALL TIME seems downright nutty from where I sit & what I observe off these boards.

  

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41. "good thing ur just 1 dude w/ a narrow view of things"
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>Call me crazy if you will, I like Comm but even entertaining
>him as a TOP 10 MC OF ALL TIME seems downright nutty from
>where I sit & what I observe off these boards.

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43. "lol, yes, my view is narrow since it differs from yours"
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44. "of course"
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nah i was referring more to the idea that it would be "nutty" to consider him top 10, i get why he isn't to ppl, but saying it's "nutty" to have him as top 10 is a bit extreme

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14. "He's a top 10 favorite for me"
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I have him comfortably at number 8.

Of course those are favorites and I exclude greats I didn't grow up on like Rakim, KRS, BDK, Kool G, and Slick Rick.

A few of those I would say are better than Common.

But honestly from 94-2000...Com was unfuckwitable.

Then he dropped Be for good measure.

  

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15. "RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present"
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>Simple...Where is Common on your all time list?
>
>You know what's next....the Questions
>
>1. Is Common in the top 10 all time?
Maybe not, but close....12?
>2. Is Nas and Common more of a comparison because they are
>poetic MC's?
Maybe in terms of lyrical subject matter, but Nas is a far better rapper and more interesting artist.
>3. Does Common have a classic LP? No great, but Classic. How
>many?
Maybe LWFC. I also think The Dreamer, the Believer is great.
>4. Is his career done now to you?
Nah, although I think he's due for another shitty album ala Universal Mind Control
>5. Random Common comment...

I like him a lot, people say he's cheesy and predictable, but I think he makes good, nonstupid hip hop songs. As a old(er) hip hop head, I'm super burnt on shitty mainstream thugged out moron rap. Common offers a solid quality alternative.
>
>Studio albums
>
> Can I Borrow a Dollar? (1992)
> Resurrection (1994)
> One Day It'll All Make Sense (1997)
> Like Water for Chocolate (2000)
> Electric Circus (2002)
> Be (2005)
> Finding Forever (2007)
> Universal Mind Control (2008)
> The Dreamer/The Believer (2011)
>
>Collaborative albums
>
> Cruel Summer (with GOOD Music) (2012)
>
>PEACE

  

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16. "RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present"
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>Simple...Where is Common on your all time list?
>
>You know what's next....the Questions
>
>1. Is Common in the top 10 all time?

easily

>2. Is Nas and Common more of a comparison because they are
>poetic MC's?

i think a dude like Com kinda exposes by comparison the one-dimensionality & lack versatility Nas has

>3. Does Common have a classic LP? No great, but Classic. How
>many?

yes, one certfied & 3 that are legit close

>4. Is his career done now to you?

no, im not interested tho

he is a dude i could see coming back in like his 50's & making great music

>5. Random Common comment...

the bizness as a guest appearance stands up against verbal intercourse for Nas

he also OWNED verbal murder, outshining a true great & another mc who was at his apex at the time

>Studio albums
>
> Can I Borrow a Dollar? (1992)
> Resurrection (1994)
> One Day It'll All Make Sense (1997)
> Like Water for Chocolate (2000)
> Electric Circus (2002)
> Be (2005)
> Finding Forever (2007)
> Universal Mind Control (2008)
> The Dreamer/The Believer (2011)
>

^better catalog than Nas too

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17. "LoL"
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>i think a dude like Com kinda exposes by comparison the
>one-dimensionality & lack versatility Nas has
>
>the bizness as a guest appearance stands up against verbal
>intercourse for Nas
>
>

People are fucking hilarious.

  

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18. "aha, it worked"
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19. "I guess so"
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Sorry for calling bullshit where it is needed.

This thread wasn't even about Nas.

  

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20. "RE: I guess so"
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i took that one question & ran w/ it

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23. "RE: I guess so"
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I never understood the Nas comparisons.

When people say Resurrection is the Chicago Illmatic, I just don't see it.

Their styles are just too different and never is it more apparent then on those two albums. Well, maybe on Common's debut but I don't even count that joint.

Common had a playful flow and used borderline corny punchlines on Resurrection whereas Nas was just a flat out street lyricist with a relentless flow on Illmatic.

  

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30. "yeah, Com didn't fall in the "trap""
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Nas has spent his whole career legitimizing his street cred, even jumping into that fake mafiosa bs that poisoned the mid-90s

Com always came across like he was being himself & not trying so hard to fit a required image, much less overcompensating via posturing like Nas does

yet there was never any doubt that Com would & could fuck u up if need be

he also has 4 albums better than IWW, but i digress...

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33. "LOL"
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>Nas has spent his whole career legitimizing his street cred,
>even jumping into that fake mafiosa bs that poisoned the
>mid-90s
>

Again, this isn't about Nas and I really don't want to down either of them as they are both in my top 10. However, Nas only had to spend the first verse of NY State of Mind to legitimize anything.


>Com always came across like he was being himself & not trying
>so hard to fit a required image, much less overcompensating
>via posturing like Nas does
>

Really? You mean the tofu eating/Andre look-alike dressing/"please label me as a real artist" Electric Circus making/NoID to Soulaquarians to Kanye jumping/let me battle Drake to stay relevant Common wasn't trying?

That's some funny shit.

>yet there was never any doubt that Com would & could fuck u up
>if need be
>

I had a few doubts right here:

http://www.singleblackmale.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Common-Come-Close.jpg

>he also has 4 albums better than IWW, but i digress...

Common is lucky to have 1 album better than It Was Written..and that depends on my mood.


  

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42. "i gotta say one thing"
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yeah, Com switched his image up a bit over time, but it wasn't reactionary imo, maybe somewhat fabricated but not purposeful to court a certain audience

meanwhile everyone knows why Nas tried to go the glossy mafiosa route...because Biggie was more popular & Nas was mad & wanted ppl to like him as much as Biggie

and, yeah, Res, One Day, Like Water & Be are all better than IWW

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21. "He is a Broke Nas IMO"
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did somethings that were memorable however he never quite got to the next level. to me he is a broke Nas and he settle for being at a certain level and i truly feel he had a gift with words, however he couldn't put it all together near enough.

to me he was his strongest when he was known as Common Sense if you ask me.

i thought in the 90's he could have been a Midwest version of Ice Cube and Scarface and the Nas factor, however over the past decade and change, he is missing something to me.

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26. "^^^^doesn't know what he's talking about"
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stick to r kelly posts.

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34. "25-50 ranking"
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most folks dug his old stuff than what he became.

to me the 90's he had a chance at being further up the food chain than what he settled for.

as a Poet He should have been further along IMO.

he has 9 studio albums which is a great accomplishment for a Rapper with a 20 year career and his next album is number 10, however whatever edge he had and whatever he had, its been more about surviving and doing other things.

i ain't madd because the game changed and he had to do what he had to do period.

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22. "RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present"
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1. Is Common in the top 10 all time?
-hell nah...he once was, but has fallen super hard...somewhere in the 20 to 30 range...
2. Is Nas and Common more of a comparison because they are poetic MC's?
-not really comparable...Nas kinda slipped for a minute, but came back very strong, but brother Com is done as an MC...and believe me, it's painful to say that cause duke use to bring it....Was a huge fan...
3. Does Common have a classic LP? No great, but Classic. How many?
-Yes..."Resurrection" and "LWFC"..."One Day" and "Be" are pretty close too....
4. Is his career done now to you?
YES
5. Random Common comment...
The beginning of his downfall was when he came out basically dissin his "Electric Circus" LP on the DVD included in the "Be" packaging...I thought that ish was solid...he said something about disappointing people with that project, when in fact it was great to see Common push himself in a different direction...Anyway, after "Be" I was pretty much done with him...wack ish takes away from past greatness...Cat could have been a contender for GOAT...he was that nice....

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the_time_is_when_god...lounge
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25. "Nas, Jay-Z, Ghost, Com..."
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27. "Good to Great MC"
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>Simple...Where is Common on your all time list?
>
>You know what's next....the Questions
>
>1. Is Common in the top 10 all time?

No I can't put him in that top tier all time territory. I have him in that second tier of good to great MC's. To be a top 10 MC at some point I had to consider you as the best MC in the game and Com was never that.

>2. Is Nas and Common more of a comparison because they are
>poetic MC's?

I think they have similar styles not just because of the poetic style but also because of their use of Jazz samples. Nas is more lyrical and has a much better flow though.

>3. Does Common have a classic LP? No great, but Classic. How
>many?

One Day It'll All Make Sense is classic to me and Like Water is great near classic.

>4. Is his career done now to you?

Not at all. The Dreamer was a solid album with some standout cuts on there and I will always check for a song if I know he's on it.

>5. Random Common comment...

I think Com is great example of an MC that just continued to get better at his craft. Better at writing songs, putting albums together. From Can I Borrow A Dollar to Like Water For Chocolate is almost like a different MC without it coming across as him jumping on any kind of bandwagon. It comes across as natural growth.
>
>Studio albums
>
> Can I Borrow a Dollar? (1992)
> Resurrection (1994)
> One Day It'll All Make Sense (1997)
> Like Water for Chocolate (2000)
> Electric Circus (2002)
> Be (2005)
> Finding Forever (2007)
> Universal Mind Control (2008)
> The Dreamer/The Believer (2011)
>
>Collaborative albums
>
> Cruel Summer (with GOOD Music) (2012)
>
>PEACE

  

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28. "RE: Good to Great MC"
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>>Simple...Where is Common on your all time list?
>>
>>You know what's next....the Questions
>>
>>1. Is Common in the top 10 all time?
No but he is in the next tier of dope MCs
>
>>2. Is Nas and Common more of a comparison because they are

No but I understand they get linked together because there aren't many mainstream MCs spittin grown folk ish.
>
>>3. Does Common have a classic LP? No great, but Classic. How
>>many?

Ressurection is clearly A CLASSIC! Be is a great album too.

>
>>4. Is his career done now to you?

If he keeps making wack albums like the last 3 joints then yes.
>
>>5. Random Common comment...

Was my favorite MC for years taking the mantle from KRS but these last 3 albums I cant fuck with. Get with DJ Spinna or somethin Comm. Stop fuckin up your legacy.
>>
>>Studio albums
>>
>> Can I Borrow a Dollar? (1992)
>> Resurrection (1994)
>> One Day It'll All Make Sense (1997)
>> Like Water for Chocolate (2000)
>> Electric Circus (2002)
>> Be (2005)
>> Finding Forever (2007)
>> Universal Mind Control (2008)
>> The Dreamer/The Believer (2011)
>>
>>Collaborative albums
>>
>> Cruel Summer (with GOOD Music) (2012)
>>
>>PEACE
>

  

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29. "RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present"
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>1. Is Common in the top 10 all time?
maybe, def top 15
>2. Is Nas and Common more of a comparison because they are
>poetic MC's?
didn't even know this was a common comparison
>3. Does Common have a classic LP? No great, but Classic. How
>many? RESURRECTION AND LIKE WATER FOR CHOCOLATE
>4. Is his career done now to you?
I liked his last album enough, but its clear he is coastin' IDC though we have already gotten enough dope LPs from him.....

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32. "RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present"
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>Simple...Where is Common on your all time list?
>
>You know what's next....the Questions
>
>1. Is Common in the top 10 all time?

he's in my personal top 2, but if I'm ranking on a general scale I'd put him in the 6-15 range (would take some time to actually figure out where).


>2. Is Nas and Common more of a comparison because they are
>poetic MC's?

I think Nas and Comm have some similarities but like some already said in here, I'm not sure where the comparison even came from. Both are great with words but Nas was more poetic while Common was far more witty. Both mega talented in their own way though. And Ghetto Dreams was fantastic.


>3. Does Common have a classic LP? No great, but Classic. How
>many?

Resurrection is classic. LWFC is damn close. One Day and Be are both great.


>4. Is his career done now to you?

Hell no. Like someone already said, this whole concept is strange to me. If he feels he has something to say and people still listen for it he's never done. I really liked his last album.


>5. Random Common comment...

Dood has always been far and away my favorite MC, though I realize that this is a personal preference by a long shot. Especially in the time period people keep referencing here (94-05 or so), he had this "it" factor that, to me, was unmatched. I loved his style. The way he put words together, used metaphors and analogies, twisted concepts and references to make you straight up search for years for the references he was making (to this day, even though I've heard both a billion times, I still find new lyrical nuances on both Resurrection and One Day...). For example, the combination of alliteration, double entendre, etc. in the one line in Hungry about squashing beef with Ice Cube is unreal. He showed his ass on that song.

Anyway I recognize, like we all do, that his best days are far behind him and he has a different career focus, but like someone mentioned, his spots on those Cocaine 80s joints and a good portion of his last album (the second verse in Gold comes to mind immediately) show flashes of the brilliance he used to bring every time and that's the reason I'll always be excited when a new Comm song/verse pops up.

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35. "All time? top 20. "
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Last 25 years top 10. barely though..

  

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37. "Especially considered longevity and number of great albums, top 20"
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Three great albums (Resurrection, Be and LWFC) and one good one (One Day), stellar stage show, flawless battle record (by default, since Cube never responded, nor did Mack 10, Drake never responded either), competent off the top freestyle ability, one classic single that has been imitated but never duplicated (Used to Love Her, which spawned numerous attempts to personify hip-hop as a woman in song), the first critically acclaimed emcee from his region (The Midwest), yeah, I'd say Com was Top 20.

Edit: I went back and listened to some of the stand out guest verses people were mentioning on here and had to edit that down to Top 20. Com never had the strongest voice and he also has a lot of material that dropped post-Be that is uneven. When you have guys like Black Thought and Kool G Rap who are almost unerringly consistent and guys like Nas and Pharoahe whose creative peaks soar in the clouds above most (despite their own fair share of middling material, particularly Nasir), it's hard to rank Com in the Top 10. Even Com's best song is still going to have difficulty matching against the best songs on Illmatic or Nation of Millions. He's in the Hall of Fame, in any case.
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38. "If not top 10 then probably 11 to 15....definitely top 20"
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>Simple...Where is Common on your all time list?
>
>You know what's next....the Questions
>
>1. Is Common in the top 10 all time?


>2. Is Nas and Common more of a comparison because they are
>poetic MC's?

As others have noted, I don't really get the comparison, although both are two of my ultimate favorites of all time.


>3. Does Common have a classic LP? No great, but Classic. How
>many?

"Resurrection" for sure, LWFC as well. "Be" was great. And "One Day...." is still actually my favorite out of all of them, but I guess more than a few people think the track sequencing is a problem.

>4. Is his career done now to you?

No, but unlike Nas, who's unstoppable this deep in his career, Com Sense is notably not as sharp lyrically. I still have hope, though.

>5. Random Common comment...

On a quest for love like the Proceed drummer.




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40. "Top 30 or so"
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>1. Is Common in the top 10 all time?

Nope.
>2. Is Nas and Common more of a comparison because they are
>poetic MC's?

I didnt know it was a comparison to be honest. They've both been around a long time, and first really made their mark in '94. That's about it.

>3. Does Common have a classic LP? No great, but Classic. How
>many?

Like Water for Chocolate is, to me. Great album, and it kind've defines that time period musically to me. Resurrection, One Day, and Be are all good albums.
>4. Is his career done now to you?

To me....probably. Finding Forever was OK, UMC was bad....and I didnt even check for his last one. What I heard didnt really excite me, though I liked Ghetto Dreams.

I don't really care for how he raps these days, so it would take something on the production tip to get me excited about a Common album again.
>5. Random Common comment...

He had a good run. I've lost some interest, but it happens. It's still respect.
>Studio albums
>
> Can I Borrow a Dollar? (1992)
> Resurrection (1994)
> One Day It'll All Make Sense (1997)
> Like Water for Chocolate (2000)
> Electric Circus (2002)
> Be (2005)
> Finding Forever (2007)
> Universal Mind Control (2008)
> The Dreamer/The Believer (2011)
>
>Collaborative albums
>
> Cruel Summer (with GOOD Music) (2012)
>
>PEACE

  

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45. "IMHO..top two...#1 favorite artist, you mentioned in OP"
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These cats influenced my desire to wanna rap/write

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46. "RE: Hip Hop Poet: Where does Common rank all time? 1992-Present"
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>Simple...Where is Common on your all time list?
>
>You know what's next....the Questions
>
>1. Is Common in the top 10 all time? Yes..on my list
>2. Is Nas and Common more of a comparison because they are
>poetic MC's? Yes...but they both penned differently. Nas's cadences have always been more progressive.
>3. Does Common have a classic LP? No great, but Classic. How
>many? Res, One Day, LWFC, Be...IMHO
>4. Is his career done now to you?...hmmm..wow...I don't know...he sounds a little dated these days..see #2
>5. Random Common comment...he made me feel like I had a voice too, and not necessarily did I have to fall in line with "Struggle" rap
>
>Studio albums
>
> Can I Borrow a Dollar? (1992)
> Resurrection (1994)
> One Day It'll All Make Sense (1997)
> Like Water for Chocolate (2000)
> Electric Circus (2002)
> Be (2005)
> Finding Forever (2007)
> Universal Mind Control (2008)
> The Dreamer/The Believer (2011)
>
>Collaborative albums
>
> Cruel Summer (with GOOD Music) (2012)
>
>PEACE


Good Post!!

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47. "You couldn't think it was that good, you didn't even answer the ?'s!"
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