The fire this time

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/tulsa-police-release-dashcam-video-fatal-shooting-42192589

Let's see how long it takes for nothing to happen this time...

The video I saw kind of explains the whole problem. As he walks up to the SUV, the cop says "that looks like a bad dude". He's walking with his hands up...what about him makes him "look like a bad dude"? Within about 20 seconds, tasered and shot dead. Here is the video...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg0-qndkemo

well 65% of it

what went down and how it went down. Reading the stories are one thing, but with so many slanted articles from both sides, it can be difficult to get unbiased perspective. with the video, I can get most of the details of the incident, if not the backstory.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg0-qndkemo

Knowing news companies ultimately profit from the footage while nothing changes -- I just can't do it. Never mind the effect it would have only my overall outlook.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg0-qndkemo

by the police. The officer wont see a day in jail, she may even keep her job after her nice paid vacation.

and without watching, im sure the cops lies dont match the clip that was released

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get busy living, or get busy dying.

I really can't watch anymore people being murdered. It fucks me up.

Rest in peace.

And ftp.

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But a "scary" black dude's car breaks down and he's tasered, THEN shot dead.

And they wonder why Kaep doesn't stand

They keep telling us it's their job to kill Black people.
This is why they come to work.
Why else would you shoot someone like this?

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We still have niggras saying things like
"they kill us b/c we violent" which is
just ridiculous to say after 500 yrs which
say the complete opposite.

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doubt I spelled that right....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZyuULy9zs.....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

So much about this situation is disturbing and disgusting.

-He's walking back to his car, which had stalled out in the middle of 36th Street North, with his hands in the air.
-They had guns drawn on him the entire time as if he was Osama.
-There is no audio or video of what happened before the second car and helicopter arrive, as the first officer (the one who shot him) had either turned her dash cam off or it was never working, still unsure about that.
-He's going down after the officer tased him, but she fires IMMEDIATELY and, with the amount of blood, clearly shot him dead center in the chest from close range.
-He lays there for nearly two minutes while some officers run away, others walk around the car to look for god knows what and three of them back away, guns still drawn, as if he's some zombie that's going to pop back up and kill them.
-They left him there and didn't check his vitals for TWO MINUTES.
-All that crap from the idiot helicopter. "Bad dude" who's "on something"...come on.

Lots of misinformation and irrelevant things being bandied about in the conservative media in the aftermath as some sort of justification for this. People saying the cops were called on him because he was acting erratically and threatening someone. No. That was the ORIGINAL CALL the cops were going to that they never made it to because of Crutcher's truck being broken down in the road.
Lots of bullshit about him having priors for violent interactions with police. No. He had a bench warrant for unpaid court costs totaling $2,000 from a 2006 misdemeanor arrest, which, last I checked, wasn't a reason to be shot dead.
People saying "why is he walking back to his car" or whatever, but we'll never know because the responding officer (THE ONE THAT SHOT HIM) had her dash cam turned off. Whatever happened before the other cops got there we sadly will never know.

I guess I'm surprised at how quickly TPD released the footage and how forthcoming they've been so far about it, but nothing about this situation makes much sense in how the police reacted and treated this guy. The helicopter was apparently just in the area and not responding to any particular call (sure, scramble a helicopter in North Tulsa because, you know, it's Friday) and they've named the two officers on board, but they are both apparently saying the civilian pilot was the one that called him a "bad dude" "on something". They have also confirmed that audio was not on the police radio but the in-flight record system instead, so at least she wasn't bated into shooting him by what those jackasses were saying.
They shot him in the chest after they tased him and nobody checked on him for two damn minutes. The shooting officer, who got her start in the policing business via the Tulsa County sheriff's office (remember Eric Harris?), can't say she was trying to tase him, too, since she didn't have one on her belt and ONLY had her service weapon drawn.
All for having a stalled car. And of all the 6 or 7 officers that appear on camera, not a one of them is black. At 36th Street North and Lewis. 6 or 7 white cops responding to a stalled car. Insanity.

even though he's in a helicopter and all it looks like is a black guy in a white t-shirt with his hands up.

You've got attitudes like that, along with the blue wall of silence=a problem that wont be fixed in my lifetime.

And that audio feed wasn't on the police radio just the inflight recorder of the cockpit talk. Not a justification, just an explanation.

civilian or not... those words are a great indicator of how people view us when we have our hands up without a weapon.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

especially because THEY always have a weapon. from personal experience... an abnormal amount of young people in psychiatric hospitals have a father who is a cop, just throwing that out there...

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

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It'd have been done already were it something they were willing to give

i dunno the answer but i doubt it's 'lets tear up/burn down some shit' b/c they won't stop shooting us b/c they're scared we will keep burning shit in response. that won't work. instead, they'll KEEP shooting us b/c we will have proved that we are violent ppl by nature - which is the main reason i think they keep shooting us. they shoot us b/c they skurred b/c they think we're extra violent.

i dunno the answer. there's no immediate answer. they need education. they need healing. it may take generations to fix them. but THEY are the problem - it's not us. it's them. i dunno how to fix them. or heal them. but they need it.

and fucking PCP??? who in the fuck is STILL taking PCfuckingP in 2016? what in the fuck would even make her think that? see? she needs healing.

PCP. GTFOHWTBS.

fuck you.

i dont to hear what we need to do or what we don't need to do.

doesn't matter what we do, they're shooting and killing us for having darker skin

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Not to get dark, but my job has CNN on 24-7 and there was a decisive difference with the pro-police talking heads they drag onto the channel after Dallas. Even Glen Beck changed up his tune:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/07/opinion/glenn-beck-empathy-for-black-lives-matter.html?_r=0

While violence is never the good (and would hurt us in the end) but ultimately disruptive acts are what made this part of the public consciousness, including the violent ones.

i dont know if he is sincere or just trying to get back in the game by using the Jason Whitlock playbook

WE might as well crack a few eggs. We tried to other way for years with no results.

Seems like BLM amd unconventional tactics work best.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

we did that already.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-554029ff/turbine/bs-md-riots-1968-20150428

http://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/YBJ1501-Custom.jpg

http://www.theseamericans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/YBM1597-Custom.jpg

http://i.usatoday.net/news/graphics/mlk_sights/washdc/images/opener.jpg

http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/DetroitRiots196714.jpg

...what did we gain from all of that^?

right now they still skurred of us TODAY b/c of ^ that.

or maybe more b/c of this:

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2012/04/26/has-beverly-hills-fallen-yet/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/44516037.cached.jpg

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/120617040645-la-riots-1-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg
http://www.wildbell.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/92riots.jpg

well, the fear goes back further than that, of course.

but i don't understand how our being violent will help convince white ppl that we aren't violent. it's pretty counterintuitive. it feel good though.

fuck you.

violent toward us pretty much since
encountering us here and in Africa.
They could have gotten more from us
through honorable trade then through
violence. THEY chose violence, so your
observation that it's them and not us is
correct but incompatible with the idea
that they fear us because of our own
violence. They fear us for a reason beyond
our own actions.
That's not to say our unrest has to be
physically violent. It'll be more
effective in targeting local government
for removal, but I ain't against the
protests either, necessarily.

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so the PD can continue to act accordingly. Police BEEN killing us way before the height of Black-on-Black crime, drugs, and gang banging. And why? Before all of that, why? We looked dangerous.

Before police were killing us out of racism. Now they are killing us because of our own problems in the Black community? Black cop(s) unlawfully kill somebody, they are getting terminated possible jail time. White cop unlawfully kills a Black person......?

Now that we are focused on killing ourselves now we have to fix us before shit gets better? Police are bending rules to unlawfully kill us....yeah, you are right....the answer is for us to straighten up so they will see the error of their ways. Kind of like slavery is our fault since it was being practiced in Africa too!!!!

Timothy McVeigh, Middle Eastern terrorists, Russian terrorists can be brought in without getting shot dead, but a Black man with his hands up? Yeah, the Black community is responsible so let's give that trigger happy cop a pass.

Foh.

But if we go tear up and shoot up and burn down shit it won't help much I think. If I thought that shit would help if be all for it. But at this point I think we're best off separating from them altogether. We should just leave. If we burn it down we can do so on our way out. Sure they have much superior weaponry all the way up to nukes and we cannot ever match their fire power so really it makes NO sense getting into an armed conflict with the USA but you ppl really hate white motherfuckers and you are totally illogical and kinda dull so yeah let's go with that plan to get violent. Let's sign our own death warrants. We had a good run. Fuck it all. Let's go out in a blaze of glory. Together.

fuck you.

>But if we go tear up and shoot up and burn down shit it won't
>help much I think. If I thought that shit would help if be all
>for it. But at this point I think we're best off separating
>from them altogether. We should just leave. If we burn it down
>we can do so on our way out. Sure they have much superior
>weaponry all the way up to nukes and we cannot ever match
>their fire power so really it makes NO sense getting into an
>armed conflict with the USA but you ppl really hate white
>motherfuckers and you are totally illogical and kinda dull so
>yeah let's go with that plan to get violent. Let's sign our
>own death warrants. We had a good run. Fuck it all. Let's go
>out in a blaze of glory. Together.

I agree. Maybe use the energy to unite and build a strong economic and political base. And stick to it. Do the thing they've been trying to keep us from doing this whole time. That's all I was thinking.

because she already answered these questions
of why they do what they do, on an unconscious,
psychological level.
I understand you don't participate in reproduction,
and yall have this misconception that she's
homophobic, even though she wasn't, but when your
own breakdown is this terrible, it's better to
heed the work of someone who actually studied
these things. Not to mention you're a lawyer,
and there were laws as far back as the 1700s
that excused the killing of Black people as
long as you were "correcting" them and so forth.

It's insane that you even went as far as to say:

>instead, they'll KEEP shooting us b/c we will have
>proved that we are violent ppl by nature


US? WE are the one who are "violent by nature?
Like I said, they've been violent toward us since
contacting us. We embraced them, and have been
trying to do so over and over. Their fear of us
isn't connecting to anything we do or don't do.
It's connected to who we are.


Before that, you say:

>which is the main reason i think they keep shooting
>us. they shoot us b/c they skurred b/c they think
>we're extra violent.


Which is just flat out wrong. Frances Cress Welsing
and Neely Fuller answered this. Amos Wilson offered
the short answer of "because they can." All better
answers than you're proposing here.

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they are literally tellin us this to our face

so when someone tells u they don't like you, shows you they don't like you, treats you as such regularly what do you do?

avoid em?
walk on egg shells round em?
speak good?
hold hands in a show of solidarity while the anthem plays?


funny while we STAY getting slapped in the face, kicked in the nuts, L'ed the fuck out, we gotta stay peaceful


that's white beef 101.... they talk cash shit...swing first...and as soon as a nigga cocks back to swing....all the peace talk comes out

wash rinse repeat

white folks been doin that since the playground


niggas is fed up

they (other 'conservative type' yt folks) gonna have to check each other f'real and I don't see enough of that goin on

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separate from 'em.

i dunno any other answer today. i don't see a way forward w/us together. not w/them as they are. the amount of healing it would take to fix them...that's multiple generations.

look at the number of them who are eating up Trump's bullshit. OPENLY. that right there tells me along w/this police brutality w/impunity shit...that tells me there's little to no hope of them being healed w/in my lifetime. and probably not the next generation's either. i don't see it.

separation probably isn't feasible but it's probably our best answer. b/c white ppl as a whole are hopelessly lost.

fuck you.

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for show but for real that's the kind of shit it'll take to fix them. they have to fix themselves. and they have NO incentive to do so. i dunno that our violence will give them that incentive considering they can easily dismiss us and/or put down our violence w/the USA's superior weaponry.

i dunno what it'll take to incentivize white ppl to heal their own bigotry, prejudice, racism, and unreasonable fear of black ppl (and other non-white ppl). i dunno. b/c appealing to their humanity and showing them ours doesn't work. they have no empathy for us. or not enough, at least. so that doesn't work. scaring them doesn't work.

i dunno.

fuck you.

and to most folks God's not cool anymore so until that day burn baby burn I guess

is the only solution i see impacting policy

start with those that are pulling endorsements and the like and move on down the line

it doesn't feel feasible as a whole but it's it's really the only way to protest peacefully without risk of needless interaction with the police

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

It's moreso about building and supporting our own
infrastructure. Before we can even do that, we
have to value our own more than we value whiteness
and white-approved products.

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for just a week or two. Fuck stop and frisk they'd have cops greeting Black people like it's walmart.

I tend to agree although it may take a little longer.

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We *have* to start planning things out and stop being reactionary.

for any reason. A flat tire on the side of the road at night could lead to you never getting home to your family.

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them shooting.

they're the problem - not us.

fuck you.

im pretty sure they didn't want him to walk back to his car nor reach for anything inside... but with no audio, I might be wrong...

that being said, even if he didn't follow all commands, it didn't justify lethal force... proof of that is that the other officer pulled out his taser instead of his firearm...

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the cops were there or should've been there to HELP HIM. his car was broken down and he was stranded. this was NOT a criminal investigation - the cops were there (or should've been there) in a community caretaking role.

there was no need to give him commands to do anything. there was nothing criminal happening. or, they had no reason to suspect anything criminal.

but i didn't see the first fe

i don't care about the first few minutes of the interaction. the cops should've been there offering him help.

fuck you.