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DavidHasselhoff
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"Move over Bill Cosby. Here comes James Deen"
Mon Nov-30-15 07:48 PM by Rjcc

          

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/after-rape-accusations-female-porn-stars-stand-in-solidarity-against-james-deen?utm_source=vicenewsfb

  

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two E's
Nov 30th 2015
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Oh. Thanks
Nov 30th 2015
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RE: two E's...
Nov 30th 2015
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      ha! well played sir
Nov 30th 2015
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      ^ I fucking love that song. Listening now.
Nov 30th 2015
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      ...fuck you think this is, the get indicted hotline?
Dec 01st 2015
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           Holla @ Perdue
Dec 05th 2015
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                *horn blast* YEAAAHH!
Dec 06th 2015
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I don't know why they were trying to promote this porn star as something
Dec 01st 2015
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Its his 'regular guy' looks
Dec 01st 2015
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if you remember pornstar punishment, this is not surprising.
Dec 01st 2015
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I remember and I remember the ((((POSTS OF OUTRAGE)))) about it
Dec 01st 2015
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      some of the scenes were rape scenarios flat out
Dec 04th 2015
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RE: Move over Bill Cosby. Here comes James Deen
Dec 01st 2015
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yes but he was also known as a feminist.
Dec 01st 2015
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      so he was a mr nice guy
Dec 01st 2015
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      and another one (c)DJ Khaled
Dec 01st 2015
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      Unlike the other nice guys, he had no problem getting laid.
Dec 06th 2015
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      He was also pissed off about racism in porn
Dec 01st 2015
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      if anyone believed that lol
Dec 03rd 2015
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It's a cold game when your job is to fuck
Dec 01st 2015
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which perfectly illustrates that rape is about power and not sex.
Dec 03rd 2015
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breh always gave off sociopath vibes
Dec 01st 2015
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johnny sins aka mr clean won
Dec 01st 2015
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I hope they both move over...a cliff. They are worthless pieces of shit...
Dec 01st 2015
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damn this dude has issues.
Dec 03rd 2015
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So I have been pornhub'ing some James Deen scenes.
Dec 03rd 2015
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easy.
Dec 03rd 2015
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that heavy stuff sounds extremely dangerous
Dec 03rd 2015
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it's not.
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I was specifically referring to the onset stuff.
Dec 03rd 2015
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      oh well then you're just plain-old victim-blaming.
Dec 03rd 2015
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           Dude if the point of the scene that everyone agrees to is to fuck the
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                easy.
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                     yeah to keep the argument going, you are arguing a point I agreed with.
Dec 04th 2015
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                     ...
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                          You don't have to take the insider high hand on folks
Dec 04th 2015
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                          oh okay.
Dec 04th 2015
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                          insider high hand? nice
Dec 04th 2015
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                          But you are doing the pearl clutching though.
Dec 04th 2015
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                               k.
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                     plus if you have seen rayne's work, u know pushing her limits ain't easy
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                          ikr?
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                          sometimes, n sometimes they just give chick heroin/cross their fingers
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                               some porn is like that.
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                                    i dunno, lots of shades of grey there (no pun intended)
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                                    That's my whole point, why did anyone ever think his stuff wasn't like t...
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                          You are making my point. If she is known for doing extreme porn and tak...
Dec 04th 2015
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                               yeah but if the line is clear, he shouldnt be crossing it
Dec 04th 2015
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                               We all agree on that. AR doesn't say that she said stop, no or a safe w...
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                               where the line is, is less important than if the line was crossed
Dec 04th 2015
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                                    But It's relevant if a line was crossed intentionally to determine
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                                         yes.
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                                              We agree. We just have no information whether that was the case.
Dec 09th 2015
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                                                   yes, we do.
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never mind.
Dec 03rd 2015
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i think BG used to work in porn.
Dec 03rd 2015
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      You certainly did not.
Dec 04th 2015
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           right on.
Dec 04th 2015
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not really victim blaming, more like circumstance
Dec 04th 2015
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      it adds up, IMO.
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           i dont want to see the footage
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           yeah i have to say her account was the most compelling
Dec 04th 2015
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           See you are clutching pearls because he shoved stuff up her butt.
Dec 04th 2015
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                i have spent hours upon hours
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                     And you should be applauded for how thoughtful you are about shoving
Dec 04th 2015
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                          ...but you're 'not victim-blaming'.
Dec 04th 2015
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                               Hypothetically speaking, do you think she is the victim of something...
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                                    You didn't ask me but yes, I think that is a violation/rape(y)
Dec 04th 2015
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                                    Yeah well it's a good thing that the law wouldn't agree with you. (edit)
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                                         LOL
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                                         I am not talking about what is lawful b/c alotta rapists don't see a cou...
Dec 04th 2015
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                                              You are putting dumb words in my mouth.
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                                                   LoL, your greater point is very "lies 2nd wave, mostly white feminists
Dec 05th 2015
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                                                   you keep trying to put dumb shit on me.
Dec 06th 2015
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                                                        LoL, you said that male directors & actors to ensuring the safety of
Dec 06th 2015
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                                                             Oh I see the problem. You can't read.
Dec 09th 2015
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                                                                  and your view of the world 'as is' absolves
Dec 09th 2015
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                                                                       It doesn't absolve anybody of anything.
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                                                                            good for you.
Dec 09th 2015
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                                                   'ethical porn' exists, player.
Dec 06th 2015
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                                                        The existence of ethical porn doesn't disprove that most extreme
Dec 06th 2015
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                                                             And the solution to that problem
Dec 06th 2015
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                                    yes.
Dec 04th 2015
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                                         Actually, I wasn't clear in my question. I meant to be clear if it happe...
Dec 04th 2015
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                                              per Rayne, this wasn't an accident. Deen acted w/intent.
Dec 04th 2015
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                                                   That's not at all clear from her account.
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                                                        nope.
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                                                             We have people engaging in violent sports
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                                                             you know?
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                                                             But this isn't MMA and there is no referee.
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                                                                  there's a director.
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                                                                  If you think thesee directors have the women's interest in heart, then
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                                                                       there are plenty such directors.
Dec 06th 2015
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                                                                            You mean like the kink director an executive that helped Deen rape....
Dec 09th 2015
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                                                                                 they have more than 1 director.
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                                                                                 You didn't read it closely or you'd be embarassed. Princess Donna runs
Dec 09th 2015
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                                                                                 yes, i read it.
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                                                                                 So wait, now you are defending rapist?
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                                                                                 yup. i'm also over here stuffing dead babies inside live puppies.
Dec 09th 2015
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                                                                                 Yeah and there are alot of women who have only nice things to say about
Dec 09th 2015
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                                                                                 well look at that. you have a thought.
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                                                                  RE: But this isn't MMA and there is no referee.
Dec 04th 2015
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                                                             You have no basis for the statements you are making.
Dec 04th 2015
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                                                                  RE: You have no basis for the statements you are making.
Dec 04th 2015
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                                                                  oh wait. here's some basis for your ass (link/swipe):
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                                                                       Yeah dude no one isn't arguing that JD isn't abusive to women
Dec 05th 2015
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                                                                            And each time you repeat this bs I lose more respect for you.
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I don't get it
Dec 03rd 2015
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please.
Dec 03rd 2015
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      RE: please.
Dec 04th 2015
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           have you ever been raped?
Dec 04th 2015
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                RE: have you ever been raped?
Dec 04th 2015
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they talk about it on race wars with tracy morgan and lisa ann
Dec 03rd 2015
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least something good came from this fucked situation
Dec 04th 2015
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I guess what's leaving me scratching my head is...
Dec 04th 2015
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He never claimed to be a feminist, some white women who blog decared him...
Dec 04th 2015
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Is that who the Teen Mom chick was with in her videos
Dec 04th 2015
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Anyone know if this movie was released and was the scene in it?
Dec 04th 2015
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If footage exists, it's evidence
Dec 05th 2015
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it's on xvideos but it's boring as fuck, lame scene
Dec 06th 2015
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      which tells me the face-punching and insertion of 'things' Amber's anus
Dec 06th 2015
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           RE: which tells me the face-punching and insertion of 'things' Amber's a...
Dec 06th 2015
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                conduct like Amber describes shouldn't be accepted as an 'occupational h...
Dec 06th 2015
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                     Accepted or not, it is one, that's all I said.
Dec 06th 2015
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                          it's not though.
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                               nah, butt ripping is def an occupational hazard in butt pron
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                                    i'm sure YOU think so.
Dec 09th 2015
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                                         why you so mean bro?
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                                         b/c fuck you.
Dec 09th 2015
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                                              that type of anger is how butt holes get ripped ^^^
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                                                   thankfully you don't have to worry about that.
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                                                        thx, thats nicest thing you ever said to me bruh
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                                         Butt if accidental Butt ripping is occasionally a part of normal butt se...
Dec 09th 2015
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                                              lol, he knows this butt he wont admit it
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                                              youre really stuck on the title 'Anal Wreckage'.
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                                                   the title AND the content..
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                                                   it's fiction and fantasy.
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                                                   It's the first title I saw after scanning her filmology for 2 seconds.
Dec 09th 2015
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                                                        right. it's a title.
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                                                             So you don't think the title implies there is going to be serious Ass fc...
Dec 09th 2015
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                                                                  not in the way you probably mean.
Dec 09th 2015
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                                                                  basically
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                                                                       well, yeah. i guess informed decisions are passe now.
Dec 09th 2015
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                                                                            it's 2015 and you really acting like these titles
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                                                                                 yup. that's what i'm doing.
Dec 09th 2015
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That nigga did it
Dec 06th 2015
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Huh?
Dec 09th 2015
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Weird thing about all this : dude was seen as 'women friendly' to the la...
Dec 06th 2015
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that cuz hes a white porn actor that doesn't look like an ex-con
Dec 06th 2015
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Props to SoWhat and Buddy for turning that exchange into comedic gold
Dec 06th 2015
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I am game.
Dec 09th 2015
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James Deen shocked by allegations
Dec 08th 2015
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only on okp
Dec 09th 2015
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it also needs someone to come in and offer nothing
Dec 09th 2015
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      ctfu
Dec 10th 2015
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party aint a party without a famewhore joining in
Dec 10th 2015
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this broad is a trip
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Rjcc
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1. "two E's"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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2. "Oh. Thanks"
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Big Kuntry
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3. "RE: two E's..."
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That'll be two G's
& forget my money
I'm comin for all your
keys nigga.
*click*, dial tone*

  

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4. "ha! well played sir"
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http://www.startower.co.uk
http://www.dannyswain.com

  

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5. "^ I fucking love that song. Listening now."
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9. "...fuck you think this is, the get indicted hotline?"
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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100. "*horn blast* YEAAAHH!"
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6. "I don't know why they were trying to promote this porn star as something"
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other than a scum bag.

I remember reading like an Esquire or GQ profile of him. I think around the time that Paul Schrader casts him in Laurel Canyons.


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7. "Its his 'regular guy' looks"
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Most male porn stars look like...well...male porn stars, lol.

Dude looked like someone you would find working in a gap. While he's definitely not a bad looking guy it reminds me of how Ron Jeremy made a career out of not looking like the average porn star.

The thing is there was always something creepy and lifeless about him, so I am not surprised. He must have been really egregious about it cause porn stars tend to be protective of their own; he's getting thrown out of porn island with a quickness.

  

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8. "if you remember pornstar punishment, this is not surprising."
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that site was crazy.

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11. "I remember and I remember the ((((POSTS OF OUTRAGE)))) about it"
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39. "some of the scenes were rape scenarios flat out"
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i think that kind of thing moving from the fringe to the mainstream upset people.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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10. "RE: Move over Bill Cosby. Here comes James Deen"
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This is so different....

Bill Cosby was America's Daddy...


this nigga is a pron star....

You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

  

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12. "yes but he was also known as a feminist."
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and to be generally pro-woman. and that he was kinda unlike those other men working in str8 porn.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2015/11/30/james-deen-porns-feminist-sweetheart-accused-of-sexual-assault/

fuck you.

  

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13. "so he was a mr nice guy "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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16. "and another one (c)DJ Khaled"
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97. "Unlike the other nice guys, he had no problem getting laid."
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LOL

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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14. "He was also pissed off about racism in porn"
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https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/james-deen-is-pissed-off-about-racism-in-the-porn-industry


lol

  

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21. "if anyone believed that lol"
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If you're a feminist why the fuck are you partaking in an industry which routinely abuses, degrades, humiliates, etc., women for profit!?

This revelation is not surprising in the least, bet there's a rack of dudes higher up the food chain worse than him.

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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15. "It's a cold game when your job is to fuck"
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and u still feel u gotta take it....

@geahuwine

  

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23. "which perfectly illustrates that rape is about power and not sex."
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17. "breh always gave off sociopath vibes"
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straight up american psycho "handsome and charming guy with bodies in the trunk" status

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18. "johnny sins aka mr clean won"
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If life is stupendous one cannot also demand that it should be easy. - Robert Musil

  

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19. "I hope they both move over...a cliff. They are worthless pieces of shit..."
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nm

<<Mood...Poppy Okotcha in Look 1 at Ashish Fall 2016
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa7KBq0q5bU

  

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DavidHasselhoff
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20. "damn this dude has issues."
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https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/i-thought-im-going-to-die-here-joanna-angel-accuses-james-deen-of-assault?utm_source=vicenewsfb

  

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22. "So I have been pornhub'ing some James Deen scenes. "
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Thu Dec-03-15 03:55 PM by Buddy_Gilapagos

  

          

Even been searching his name with some of the women who have accused him.

Man dude has some foul scenes. But then of course you don't really have an idea if the scenes are sexual assault because you don't know what was on their list of dos and don'ts.

There is a lot of talk about how terrible it was that all these people stood by and watched this guy do these terrible things to women but the fact is much of the stuff that was consent to was terrible stuff as well so how is it up to them to know where the line is?

Idk. I think there is all these shock that terrible stuff goes on in the porn industry and I am just wondering how can people be so surprised that awful stuff was going on on the set of dirty cum guzzling whores volume 13?


I know, I am treading dangerously close to victim blaming but yeah...

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24. "easy."
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>There is a lot of talk about how terrible it was that all
>these people stood by and watched this guy do these terrible
>things to women but the fact is much of the stuff that was
>consent to was terrible stuff as well so how is it up to them
>to know where the line is?

they know the difference between being on set and working on a movie and being at a party.

women may consent to James doing ____, ___, and ___ while working on a movie. that doesn't mean they agree to him doing any of those things when they're not working on a movie.

also, one his ex-girlfriends claims he raped her during a private sexual encounter - they were engaged in some heavy play and when he went beyond the agreed upon area(s) she used her safe word and he didn't stop. the use of safe words is common in ppl who are well-seasoned in various forms of heavy play or fetish play. they're used to make it clear when the line is being crossed.

>Idk. I think there is all these shock that terrible stuff
>goes on in the porn industry and I am just wondering how can
>people be so surprised that awful stuff was going on on the
>set of dirty cum guzzling whores volume 13?
>
>
>I know, I am treading dangerously close to victim blaming but
>yeah...

yes, you are but it seems that's b/c you're unfamiliar w/the workings of porn shoots and fetish play.

fuck you.

  

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25. "that heavy stuff sounds extremely dangerous"
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when that safe word is ignored or can't be reached due to God knows what... it gets ugly.

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27. "it's not."
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the overwhelming majority of ppl who engage in fetish play don't batter or get battered (batter = touching w/o consent). most often when the safe word is used it's respected. at least in part b/c these folks tend to operate w/in communities and they don't want to have their reputation tarnished. b/c once that happens (like it's happening to Deen) folks won't wanna play w/them anymore.

fuck you.

  

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28. "I was specifically referring to the onset stuff. "
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>>There is a lot of talk about how terrible it was that all
>>these people stood by and watched this guy do these terrible
>>things to women but the fact is much of the stuff that was
>>consent to was terrible stuff as well so how is it up to
>them
>>to know where the line is?
>
>they know the difference between being on set and working on a
>movie and being at a party.
>
>women may consent to James doing ____, ___, and ___ while
>working on a movie. that doesn't mean they agree to him doing
>any of those things when they're not working on a movie.

The allegations I am referring to are the claims that happened on set. I was pretty clear about that.

Specifically I had this article in mind.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/12/two-more-performers-say-james-deen-violated-them.html

So in the first story she describes “We were in piledriver, he was fucking me in the ass and I said something like, ‘Yeah fuck me like that you son of a bitch.’


Then she describes him punching her which I am sure wasn't on anyones dos list but then she describes this "he starts going crazy on my butt—extreme, brutally fucking it. He just starts shoving things in to the point where he ripped it and I bled everywhere. There was so much blood I couldn’t finish the scene.”

No mention of safe words here or saying no. She just describes him trying to fuck the shit out her butthole, which, it seems they were both paid to do and which she was just moments ago cheering him on for.

The other account is about of him going to anal when it was on her don't list and the crew hi-fiv'ing. She doesn't mention saying stop it or yelling a safe word. I just wonder did everyone on set no that it was her no's list and didn't just think dude was fucking the shit out of her like everyone on set, including her, thought he was suppose to do.

Here is the thing, I am not trying to take up for James Deen. I don't doubt he is a scumbag rapist. I am just trying to wrap my mind around the moral outrage on a porn set thing.





>
>also, one his ex-girlfriends claims he raped her during a
>private sexual encounter - they were engaged in some heavy
>play and when he went beyond the agreed upon area(s) she used
>her safe word and he didn't stop. the use of safe words is
>common in ppl who are well-seasoned in various forms of heavy
>play or fetish play. they're used to make it clear when the
>line is being crossed.
>
>>Idk. I think there is all these shock that terrible stuff
>>goes on in the porn industry and I am just wondering how can
>>people be so surprised that awful stuff was going on on the
>>set of dirty cum guzzling whores volume 13?
>>
>>
>>I know, I am treading dangerously close to victim blaming
>but
>>yeah...
>
>yes, you are but it seems that's b/c you're unfamiliar w/the
>workings of porn shoots and fetish play.


More familiar than you think. If safe words or clear No's were said on set, then there are clear violations. But I also know that so much porn revolves around dudes brutalizing women and many women engage in it willingly. If you willing put yourself in that situation, I think you have the burden letting people know what you will and will not do.

That's all. So tempted to link some scenes in here.

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29. "oh well then you're just plain-old victim-blaming."
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>So in the first story she describes “We were in piledriver,
>he was fucking me in the ass and I said something like,
>‘Yeah fuck me like that you son of a bitch.’
>
>
>Then she describes him punching her which I am sure wasn't on
>anyones dos list but then she describes this "he starts going
>crazy on my butt—extreme, brutally fucking it. He just
>starts shoving things in to the point where he ripped it and I
>bled everywhere. There was so much blood I couldn’t finish
>the scene.”
>
>No mention of safe words here or saying no. She just
>describes him trying to fuck the shit out her butthole, which,
>it seems they were both paid to do and which she was just
>moments ago cheering him on for.

AFAIK there was no agreement to engage in blood play. and the movie they were shooting didn't seem to call for blood play. or face punching. so, yeah...if i were on the set the moment he punched her i'd have been like WTF??? and then when he starts going at her hole w/brutality it would've/should've been time for a break. but the break time was called for as soon as he punched her.

>The other account is about of him going to anal when it was on
>her don't list and the crew hi-fiv'ing.

it's on her 'don't list' per your words. so, yeah...pretty clear violation right there.

She doesn't mention
>saying stop it or yelling a safe word.

it's on her 'don't list' per your words. so, yeah...pretty clear violation right there.

I just wonder did
>everyone on set no that it was her no's list and didn't just
>think dude was fucking the shit out of her like everyone on
>set, including her, thought he was suppose to do.

it's on her 'don't list' per your words. so, yeah...pretty clear violation right there.

>Here is the thing, I am not trying to take up for James Deen.

no but you're doing a bang-up job at it. plus - victim-blaming.

>I don't doubt he is a scumbag rapist. I am just trying to
>wrap my mind around the moral outrage on a porn set thing.

that's too bad for you. it seems you have a low opinion of porn actors and their morality. it's not b/c you're unfamiliar so that just makes you...well, never mind. LOL. but, yeah. i see it.

>More familiar than you think.

well that makes this victim-blaming shit you're doing pretty gross. it's different if you don't know what you're doing. but you do.

If safe words or clear No's
>were said on set, then there are clear violations.

'don't list'. your words. and you're familiar. so you know that Deen knew what was on his fellow-actors' 'don't list' (your words). so if he do something that's on her 'don't list' (your words) that's a clear violation. w/o regard for whether these porn actors are dirty filty amoral whores who deserve to be raped for engaging in work that gets you off or gets you paid (b/c you're familiar, as you say).

But I also
>know that so much porn revolves around dudes brutalizing women
>and many women engage in it willingly. If you willing put
>yourself in that situation, I think you have the burden
>letting people know what you will and will not do.

'don't list' (your words). you're familiar.

i see you.

fuck you.

  

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33. "Dude if the point of the scene that everyone agrees to is to fuck the "
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living shit out her asshole, then how can it come as a shock to anyone that he ends up ripping something in her asshole?

It's like if a boxer gets in the ring and in the course of a fight kills his opponent unintentionally. It's a sad outcome but not one that is totally unexpected.

Again, everything on the don't list dude does, is a sexual assault. But if Anal is the dos list and this dude fucks her in the ass until she bleeds and she doesn't stop him, I don't know if that is sexual assault necessarily.


Also I think you missed my other point. I am sure the actor and the director in the scene knows what the "don'ts" are but are you sure everyone on set knows what the "don'ts" are?






>>So in the first story she describes “We were in
>piledriver,
>>he was fucking me in the ass and I said something like,
>>‘Yeah fuck me like that you son of a bitch.’
>>
>>
>>Then she describes him punching her which I am sure wasn't
>on
>>anyones dos list but then she describes this "he starts
>going
>>crazy on my butt—extreme, brutally fucking it. He just
>>starts shoving things in to the point where he ripped it and
>I
>>bled everywhere. There was so much blood I couldn’t finish
>>the scene.”
>>
>>No mention of safe words here or saying no. She just
>>describes him trying to fuck the shit out her butthole,
>which,
>>it seems they were both paid to do and which she was just
>>moments ago cheering him on for.
>
>AFAIK there was no agreement to engage in blood play. and the
>movie they were shooting didn't seem to call for blood play.
>or face punching. so, yeah...if i were on the set the moment
>he punched her i'd have been like WTF??? and then when he
>starts going at her hole w/brutality it would've/should've
>been time for a break. but the break time was called for as
>soon as he punched her.
>
>>The other account is about of him going to anal when it was
>on
>>her don't list and the crew hi-fiv'ing.
>
>it's on her 'don't list' per your words. so, yeah...pretty
>clear violation right there.
>
> She doesn't mention
>>saying stop it or yelling a safe word.
>
>it's on her 'don't list' per your words. so, yeah...pretty
>clear violation right there.
>
> I just wonder did
>>everyone on set no that it was her no's list and didn't just
>>think dude was fucking the shit out of her like everyone on
>>set, including her, thought he was suppose to do.
>
>it's on her 'don't list' per your words. so, yeah...pretty
>clear violation right there.
>
>>Here is the thing, I am not trying to take up for James Deen.
>
>
>no but you're doing a bang-up job at it. plus -
>victim-blaming.
>
>>I don't doubt he is a scumbag rapist. I am just trying to
>>wrap my mind around the moral outrage on a porn set thing.
>
>that's too bad for you. it seems you have a low opinion of
>porn actors and their morality. it's not b/c you're
>unfamiliar so that just makes you...well, never mind. LOL.
>but, yeah. i see it.
>
>>More familiar than you think.
>
>well that makes this victim-blaming shit you're doing pretty
>gross. it's different if you don't know what you're doing.
>but you do.
>
> If safe words or clear No's
>>were said on set, then there are clear violations.
>
>'don't list'. your words. and you're familiar. so you know
>that Deen knew what was on his fellow-actors' 'don't list'
>(your words). so if he do something that's on her 'don't
>list' (your words) that's a clear violation. w/o regard for
>whether these porn actors are dirty filty amoral whores who
>deserve to be raped for engaging in work that gets you off or
>gets you paid (b/c you're familiar, as you say).
>
> But I also
>>know that so much porn revolves around dudes brutalizing
>women
>>and many women engage in it willingly. If you willing put
>>yourself in that situation, I think you have the burden
>>letting people know what you will and will not do.
>
>'don't list' (your words). you're familiar.
>
>i see you.
>


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35. "easy."
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>living shit out her asshole, then how can it come as a shock
>to anyone that he ends up ripping something in her asshole?

1. he punched her first. the scene didn't call for punching.

2. it's totally possible for him to bang her hard in the bunghole WITHOUT ripping her apart. i know from personal experience.

3. as soon as he PUNCHED HER the action should've ended. at the very least the director should've checked in w/her to see if she's okay. at the VERY least.

4. as soon as he went at her really hard...the action should've ended. the director should've checked in w/her. why? well, assuming the director is a scumbag who doesn't actually care about the well-being of the actors on his set, he was in danger of having the shoot ruined by an injury to the woman actor. indeed, that's what happened.

>It's like if a boxer gets in the ring and in the course of a
>fight kills his opponent unintentionally. It's a sad outcome
>but not one that is totally unexpected.

LOL

that's actually on the ref if the fighter who threw the killer punch had already violated the established rules of the fight at least once and the ref allowed the match to continue.

so, nice try but...no.

>Again, everything on the don't list dude does, is a sexual
>assault.

yes.

But if Anal is the dos list and this dude fucks her
>in the ass until she bleeds and she doesn't stop him, I don't
>know if that is sexual assault necessarily.

okay, Buddy. so instead of sexual assault for the anal how about a plain old BATTERY for PUNCHING HER IN THE FACE which was possibly on her 'don't list' b/c it's so fucking obviously not needed to be on a 'don't list' in a shoot like this.

>Also I think you missed my other point. I am sure the actor
>and the director in the scene knows what the "don'ts" are but
>are you sure everyone on set knows what the "don'ts" are?

i don't give a fuck what other ppl on the set knew or didn't know. but sure...the other ppl on the set are only slightly less scummy than the director if they didn't step in after seeing this woman get PUNCHED IN THE FACE by James Deen. sure.

  

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37. "yeah to keep the argument going, you are arguing a point I agreed with. "
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I already agreed that punching her was probably out of order and probably assault. I say "probably" because I don't know what was on her dos and don't list so I can't say (and neither can you) definitely whether closed fist hitting was on her don't list (which begs the question if she didn't have it on her "don't" list is it okay to do or are folks only allowed to do what is affirmatively on the "dos" list?" I don't know, these are the vagaries of porn set etiquette that I don't think either of us know. So when you say the scene "didn't call for him punching her" I don't think you can say that with much confidence unless you saw the dos and don't list and whether you let me know you know more about porn set etiquette than you are letting on.

Also to say hitting her in the face was so obviously wrong and out of bounds is being naive IMHOP about what is acceptable in porn. Ever seen ghetto gaggers?!?! google public humiliation porn? not to mention scat and other bodily fluids stuff. There is so much extreme ish I think anyone would be hard pressed to say any of it is obviously out of bounds.

But again, I agree it was probably out of bounds and it seems like a waste of time to argue whether it was probably versus absolutely an out of bounds things to do.


>>living shit out her asshole, then how can it come as a
>shock
>>to anyone that he ends up ripping something in her asshole?
>
>1. he punched her first. the scene didn't call for punching.

again, how do you know what the scene called for?

>2. it's totally possible for him to bang her hard in the
>bunghole WITHOUT ripping her apart. i know from personal
>experience.

This is a non-statement that you know that we all know and isn't relevant. The relevant question is whether it's possible to get your bunghole ripped unintentionally from getting banged hard?


>
>3. as soon as he PUNCHED HER the action should've ended. at
>the very least the director should've checked in w/her to see
>if she's okay. at the VERY least.

Again, I don't disagree that it was probably assault when he punched her but that's not what the allegations are limited to.


>4. as soon as he went at her really hard...the action
>should've ended. the director should've checked in w/her.

That's where I think you are wrong. The whole point was for him to go really hard. She says that when he was going hard she was encouraging him to keep it up. If he went harder after her encouragement while he is pile driving her, I think you might should expect your bunghole to get ripped.



>why? well, assuming the director is a scumbag who doesn't
>actually care about the well-being of the actors on his set,
>he was in danger of having the shoot ruined by an injury to
>the woman actor. indeed, that's what happened.
>
>>It's like if a boxer gets in the ring and in the course of a
>>fight kills his opponent unintentionally. It's a sad
>outcome
>>but not one that is totally unexpected.
>
>LOL
>
>that's actually on the ref if the fighter who threw the killer
>punch had already violated the established rules of the fight
>at least once and the ref allowed the match to continue.
>
>so, nice try but...no.
>
>>Again, everything on the don't list dude does, is a sexual
>>assault.
>
>yes.
>
> But if Anal is the dos list and this dude fucks her
>>in the ass until she bleeds and she doesn't stop him, I
>don't
>>know if that is sexual assault necessarily.
>
>okay, Buddy. so instead of sexual assault for the anal how
>about a plain old BATTERY for PUNCHING HER IN THE FACE which
>was possibly on her 'don't list' b/c it's so fucking obviously
>not needed to be on a 'don't list' in a shoot like this.
>
>>Also I think you missed my other point. I am sure the actor
>>and the director in the scene knows what the "don'ts" are
>but
>>are you sure everyone on set knows what the "don'ts" are?
>
>i don't give a fuck what other ppl on the set knew or didn't
>know. but sure...the other ppl on the set are only slightly
>less scummy than the director if they didn't step in after
>seeing this woman get PUNCHED IN THE FACE by James Deen.
>sure.


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38. "..."
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>it seems
>like a waste of time to argue whether it was probably versus
>absolutely an out of bounds things to do.

right. b/c it's clear to me that this woman feels she was violated and that to her Deen went out of bounds.

you can keep 'not sticking up for Deen' and 'not victim-blaming' and clutching pearls about fetish porn. good luck w/it.

fuck you.

  

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44. "You don't have to take the insider high hand on folks"
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Just cause BG doesn't do buttstuff doesn't mean he can't have a differing opinion

>>it seems
>>like a waste of time to argue whether it was probably versus
>>absolutely an out of bounds things to do.
>
>right. b/c it's clear to me that this woman feels she was
>violated and that to her Deen went out of bounds.
>
>you can keep 'not sticking up for Deen' and 'not
>victim-blaming' and clutching pearls about fetish porn. good
>luck w/it.

  

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47. "oh okay."
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thanks for letting me know.

fuck you.

  

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56. "insider high hand? nice"
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48. "But you are doing the pearl clutching though."
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>>it seems
>>like a waste of time to argue whether it was probably versus
>>absolutely an out of bounds things to do.
>right. b/c it's clear to me that this woman feels she was
>violated and that to her Deen went out of bounds.

Yeah we get that she felt violated. No one is disputing that. My point is how is anyone else suppose to know that she reached her limit giving the nature of the work?

You are clutching pearls with "my dear god he made her ass bleed!!" when the whole point of that sort of extreme porn is to push women to their limits?

Folks really surprises that starring in "Anal Wreckage 6", a film Amber actually appeared in, might lead to a bloody bung whole?




>
>you can keep 'not sticking up for Deen' and 'not
>victim-blaming' and clutching pearls about fetish porn. good
>luck w/it.


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59. "k."
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fuck you.

  

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41. "plus if you have seen rayne's work, u know pushing her limits ain't easy"
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she has thrived on being a down-and-dirty, do-whatever chick and here this dude is even making her uncomfortable. wow.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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i understand that work in THAT kind of porn is actually QUITE regimented and not 'anything goes'. there has to be a level of trust established between the actors and the staff so that everyone feels comfortable doing all of that 'extreme' shit and making it look hot w/o anyone feeling violated. i'm not brand new or pretending to be. my understanding is based on conversations i've had w/porn actors and w/my own personal experience w/fetish play (off-set and w/a porn actor and civilians). so when i read her story i was stunned by her account of Deen's behavior on-set and by the (lack of) reaction of those around him. i suspect everyone was too stunned to act. but i dunno. either way her story is troubling and is just one of several troubling allegations against Deen that're probably still coming out. this does feel like a Bill Cosby situation. a bit.

fuck you.

  

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43. "sometimes, n sometimes they just give chick heroin/cross their fingers"
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i dont know, porn is a greasy business. i enjoy a lot less than i used to even.

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46. "some porn is like that."
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but part of Deen's lure was that HIS stuff wasn't like that. or at least HE wasn't like that.

but even if porn is 'like that' it's unacceptable.

and for women who engage in porn though it's 'like that' to stand up and make these allegations says to me that it must've taken a lot for them to feel violated. so i tend to believe them as of now.

fuck you.

  

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51. "i dunno, lots of shades of grey there (no pun intended)"
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dude does a lot of pics as a dom and so on one hand being aggressive is part of his appeal and on the other he should understand safe practices, boundaries, etc.

you also have to figure porn is an industry with a lot of instability, bitterness, resentment, jealousy and other weird shit. so is p4p sex (a related field). there's definitely smoke here but i am not sure if there is fire or if i care to find out all that much.

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54. "That's my whole point, why did anyone ever think his stuff wasn't like t..."
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Watch his stuff. His body of work is as misogynistic as anybody elses. Dudes a scumbag just like the rest of them.

There is no reason to think dude was a "feminist". In fact he actively said that he wasn't a feminist.

If you know Porn is a dirty business, then there should be no pearl clutching that JD was doing shitty stuff.


>but part of Deen's lure was that HIS stuff wasn't like that.
>or at least HE wasn't like that.
>
>but even if porn is 'like that' it's unacceptable.
>
>and for women who engage in porn though it's 'like that' to
>stand up and make these allegations says to me that it must've
>taken a lot for them to feel violated. so i tend to believe
>them as of now.


And you also seem to be arguing the point that people should believe them but who doubts them? That was never my point. I believe that they were violated. I just happened to think they were violated well before dude made the booty bleed.


I think you have this la la notion that there are these non-exploitative extreme porn sets where the women aren't on drugs or otherwise intoxicated and their is all this trust and hand holding on set and I am sure someone in the business would explain it that way, but I think that's the bullshit people in the business tell folks so it all won't seem so miserable and exploitative.


BTW, where the heck you get the idea I worked/work in porn?!!??


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49. "You are making my point. If she is known for doing extreme porn and tak..."
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punishment anally then it is not that surprising that a dude setting out push her to her limit will end up crossing the line.


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53. "yeah but if the line is clear, he shouldnt be crossing it"
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if the girl says no or stop or uses a safe word, something that CLEARLY says she is in pain or a line has been crossed then that should be respected no matter who she is. to do things differently is to make a porn star or a prostitute or whomever less than human.

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55. "We all agree on that. AR doesn't say that she said stop, no or a safe w..."
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She said that hit her in the face, and the kept fucking. In fact, she does say she stopped the scene after her butt started bleeding. So she did have the ability to stop the scene at some point.

SoWhat's point is that they should have stopped the scene when he punched her or when there was clearly a line crossed.

My point is that the only clear line is someone saying stop/no or using a safe word, and getting punched and pounding her butt till it bleeds isn't necessarily a clear line...in the world of extreme porn.





>if the girl says no or stop or uses a safe word, something
>that CLEARLY says she is in pain or a line has been crossed
>then that should be respected no matter who she is. to do
>things differently is to make a porn star or a prostitute or
>whomever less than human.


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76. "where the line is, is less important than if the line was crossed"
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Whether the two people involved were Porn stars or just regular people on a date, the crossing of the barrier is what matters.

The location and setting are irrelevant. If he had prior knowledge and he got caught up and went passed her limit than it is sexual assault. At least it should be that way. I understand that people get caught up in the moment during sex, but everyone deserves to have their limits respected.

  

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93. "But It's relevant if a line was crossed intentionally to determine"
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whether rape has occurred.

If I have permission to fcuk you hard anally, and in the course of that I unintentionally make your ass bleed, is that rape?



>Whether the two people involved were Porn stars or just
>regular people on a date, the crossing of the barrier is what
>matters.
>
>The location and setting are irrelevant. If he had prior
>knowledge and he got caught up and went passed her limit than
>it is sexual assault. At least it should be that way. I
>understand that people get caught up in the moment during sex,
>but everyone deserves to have their limits respected.


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105. "yes."
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if the person who is being penetrated wants the penetration to stop for any reason (like b/c their ass is bleeding) and the penetration doesn't stop for any reason (like the penetrator thought it was okay to keep fucking a bleeding ass b/c the recipient wanted to be fucked 'hard' or the action is happening on a porn set and the director hasn't yelled 'cut' or the recipient didn't use a safe word or say 'no' or 'stop') that is a violation.

fuck you.

  

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127. "We agree. We just have no information whether that was the case."
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132. "yes, we do."
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we have Amber's statements. she has told us.

fuck you.

  

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30. "never mind."
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soWhat got this.

  

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34. "i think BG used to work in porn."
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i feel like i've read that.

fuck you.

  

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58. "You certainly did not. "
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60. "right on."
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fuck you.

  

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40. "not really victim blaming, more like circumstance"
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like you open your asshole for some guy with a fat dick in exchange for money but when he goes too hard or pushes your limits it becomes rape? something about that doesn't quite square up. i also watched one of the scenes in question here and it doesn't seem to play out the way the actress says. even so it sounds like the guy is a dirtbag and unprofessional.

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45. "it adds up, IMO."
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yeah he was fucking her in the ass as the scene required. but then he punched her in the face.

he punched her.

in the face.

while his dick was in her.

they were in the pile-driver position w/him on top of her going in. and she was encouraging it. she was ACTING. and he for whatever reason punched her. in the face.

after he punched her.

in the face.

he kept fucking her in the ass. but now he was doing it harder.

i haven't seen the unedited footage.

but i can imagine the way he fucked her AFTER the punch was not like the way he'd fucked her BEFORE the punch.

and she says, "he starts going crazy on my butt—extreme, brutally fucking it. He just starts shoving things in".

"He just starts SHOVING THINGS IN" (emphasis added).

i haven't seen the unedited footage so i dunno if he shoved som'n in or what he shoved in.

but she says he "shoved THINGS in" (emphasis added).

"THINGS".

multiple. more than one. of some THINGS.

so maybe not "just" his dick?

"He just starts shoving things in to the point where he ripped it and I bled everywhere."

THINGS. shoved. IN.

to the point where he RIPPED it.

i haven't seen the unedited footage.

but she says he SHOVED. MULTIPLE. THINGS. IN.

her asshole.

after he'd punched her in the face.

i don't imagine he shoved those THINGS in lovingly. gently. i don't think he made love to her asshole w/THINGS here.

i haven't seen the unedited footage.

but i'm disturbed by her account.

i can't blame the 'circumstance' based on what she's saying. i blame Deen. but that's based on what she's saying. i haven't seen the unedited footage.

but Rayne doesn't strike me as a whiner/complainer for nothing. also, she understands that lying here could hurt her rep as a pro porn actor. she might lose gigs over this. that 'reality' coupled w/the other allegations from other women many/most/all? of whom are also porn actors w/much to lose by standing up for themselves against Deen makes me tend to believe them. but i haven't seen the unedited footage.

and if i were going to defend Deen it wouldn't go w/victim-blaming or blaming the circumstance. i'd want to see the unedited footage first and then go from there. until then i'd stick w/a 'lack of proof' thing, i think. b/c i haven't seen the unedited footage.

fuck you.

  

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50. "i dont want to see the footage"
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and I get that you are an expert on anal...

but some of that extreme anal stuff involved shoving things in the butt...

and some of that stuff involves punching, slapping and a foot on the face (not sure why they put the foot on the face)

ionno... just seems like the worst industry to be in when talk about crossing the line for fucking too rough.

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52. "yeah i have to say her account was the most compelling"
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the other woman (kora something, milfy type) i dont know. i saw the scene and while obviously it was edited, it didnt really line up with her account. her last bit about the high fiving seemed over the top.

the bit with amber rayne is different though, seemed more sincere to me.

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57. "See you are clutching pearls because he shoved stuff up her butt. "
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But there is a lot of violently shoving stuff up peoples butt in this type of extreme porn. So fuck yeah that's a disturbing account. But extreme porn is purposefully disturbing. that's the point.

Again, My point isn't she is making things up or didn't feel violated, my point is that by nature of the work it is not surprising that she would feel violated or that her butt would end up bloody.

The burden is on her to share when she has reached her limit, which it sounds like she eventually did when her butt started bleeding.



>and she says, "he starts going crazy on my butt—extreme,
>brutally fucking it. He just starts shoving things in".
>
>"He just starts SHOVING THINGS IN" (emphasis added).
>
>i haven't seen the unedited footage so i dunno if he shoved
>som'n in or what he shoved in.
>
>but she says he "shoved THINGS in" (emphasis added).
>
>"THINGS".
>
>multiple. more than one. of some THINGS.
>
>so maybe not "just" his dick?
>
>"He just starts shoving things in to the point where he ripped
>it and I bled everywhere."
>
>THINGS. shoved. IN.
>
>to the point where he RIPPED it.
>
>i haven't seen the unedited footage.
>
>but she says he SHOVED. MULTIPLE. THINGS. IN.
>
>her asshole.
>
>after he'd punched her in the face.
>
>i don't imagine he shoved those THINGS in lovingly. gently.
>i don't think he made love to her asshole w/THINGS here.
>
>i haven't seen the unedited footage.
>
>but i'm disturbed by her account.
>
>i can't blame the 'circumstance' based on what she's saying.
>i blame Deen. but that's based on what she's saying. i
>haven't seen the unedited footage.
>
>but Rayne doesn't strike me as a whiner/complainer for
>nothing. also, she understands that lying here could hurt her
>rep as a pro porn actor. she might lose gigs over this. that
>'reality' coupled w/the other allegations from other women
>many/most/all? of whom are also porn actors w/much to lose by
>standing up for themselves against Deen makes me tend to
>believe them. but i haven't seen the unedited footage.
>
>and if i were going to defend Deen it wouldn't go
>w/victim-blaming or blaming the circumstance. i'd want to see
>the unedited footage first and then go from there. until then
>i'd stick w/a 'lack of proof' thing, i think. b/c i haven't
>seen the unedited footage.


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61. "i have spent hours upon hours "
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shoving things in ppl's butts.

none of those ppl felt violated afterward. b/c b4 i shoved those things in those ppl's butts we talked about what i would shove in there. we agreed that i wouldn't shove anything in there that they didn't want. also, as i shoved those things in those butts i checked in w/the ppl to whom those butts were attached. i wanted to be sure they were okay b/c i was shoving things in their butt and doing so can create a risk of injury. i wanted to avoid that so i was sure to watch and listen for clues that they're okay and even getting off on what i'm shoving in there. and periodically i'd ask for verbal confirmation - meaning i asked them if they're okay. and sometimes i'd suggest we take a break and when they asked for a break i immediately stopped shoving things in their butt. i only resumed after they told me they were ready for me to shove things in their butt again.

of course, when i've agreed to have sex w/dudes where we didn't agree that i'd be shoving things in their butt i haven't just started shoving things in there w/o their consent. this woman seems to say that Deen shoved things in her butt w/o her consent. so you're god damned right i'm clutching pearls over that shit. b/c it's abhorrent.

fuck you.

  

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62. "And you should be applauded for how thoughtful you are about shoving"
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things up peoples butt but you should also not be brand new about the idea and should know from experience that you can not expect everyone to be as thoughtful about shoving things up peoples butt.

You give someone an inch, and folks will take a mile unless you affirmatively let people know what your boundaries are.

If you assume people know, especially people hired to do a scene in anal wreckage #6 with you, then you might end up with a bloody butt hole.

aaaannnndddd now I'm good on bloody butthole talk.


>shoving things in ppl's butts.
>
>none of those ppl felt violated afterward. b/c b4 i shoved
>those things in those ppl's butts we talked about what i would
>shove in there. we agreed that i wouldn't shove anything in
>there that they didn't want. also, as i shoved those things
>in those butts i checked in w/the ppl to whom those butts were
>attached. i wanted to be sure they were okay b/c i was
>shoving things in their butt and doing so can create a risk of
>injury. i wanted to avoid that so i was sure to watch and
>listen for clues that they're okay and even getting off on
>what i'm shoving in there. and periodically i'd ask for
>verbal confirmation - meaning i asked them if they're okay.
>and sometimes i'd suggest we take a break and when they asked
>for a break i immediately stopped shoving things in their
>butt. i only resumed after they told me they were ready for
>me to shove things in their butt again.
>
>of course, when i've agreed to have sex w/dudes where we
>didn't agree that i'd be shoving things in their butt i
>haven't just started shoving things in there w/o their
>consent. this woman seems to say that Deen shoved things in
>her butt w/o her consent. so you're god damned right i'm
>clutching pearls over that shit. b/c it's abhorrent.


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63. "...but you're 'not victim-blaming'."
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>You give someone an inch, and folks will take a mile unless
>you affirmatively let people know what your boundaries are.
>
>If you assume people know, especially people hired to do a
>scene in anal wreckage #6 with you, then you might end up with
>a bloody butt hole.

fuck you.

  

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64. "Hypothetically speaking, do you think she is the victim of something..."
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if she agrees to have things shoved up her butt and in the course of that her butt starts bleeding?


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66. "You didn't ask me but yes, I think that is a violation/rape(y)"
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She didn't say shove things up my butt & don't stop if I bleed...so yes, human decency/professionalism as a performer should tell you that extreme anal sex on a porn set/privately ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE BLOODY & UNCOMFORTABLE.

You highkey on some misogynist shit like don't do porn/date pornstars if you don't wanna get raped/assaulted.

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68. "Yeah well it's a good thing that the law wouldn't agree with you. (edit)"
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You can't unintentionally rape someone.

If someone says shove things up my butt and in doing so you unintentionally cause their butt to bleed, it would be unreasonable to think that a crime has occurred and I think most people who can stomach talking about extreme porn would agree with that.

And just LOL at your notion that extreme porn isn't suppose to be uncomfortable.

Human decency has nothing to do with extreme porn. I think by it's nature it's misogynistic.

I think you all are empowering misogyny by not acknowledging that.

If you took the position that extreme porn that degrades women should be banned I could totally get behind that. Human kind would be better off.


But it's trying to have it both ways to argue that Extreme Porn should be permissible but if someone accidentally gets their butthole ripped while doing extreme porn a crime has been committed.


And right now I am limiting the discussion to unintentional butthole ripping because if you think that's a crime then there is no need to move onto the discussion of whether what happened to Raven was intentional or unintentional.

Edit: I realize when asking the question I didn't make clear if it happens unintentionally or accidentally.


>She didn't say shove things up my butt & don't stop if I
>bleed...so yes, human decency/professionalism as a performer
>should tell you that extreme anal sex on a porn set/privately
>ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE BLOODY & UNCOMFORTABLE.
>
>You highkey on some misogynist shit like don't do porn/date
>pornstars if you don't wanna get raped/assaulted.


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71. "LOL"
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all of that nonsense is laughable.

homegirl didn't agree to have JD shove things in her until she 'bled everywhere' to the point where she couldn't continue shooting.

it was not okay for JD to punch his fellow actor in the face while shooting a sex scene that didn't call for face punching. it was not okay for him to shove objects inside his fellow actor until she 'bled everywhere'. it's clear from her account that JD punched her and ripped her anus intentionally. possibly as retaliation for some slight - she had just called him a 'son of a bitch', i dunno if that upset him and fueled his violent behavior. but whatever motivated his conduct, it amounted to a violation if Rayne's account is true.

again...w/every reply you make it's clear that you have a problem w/extreme porn and sex work that involves fetish play. and you are using this case basically to say that if ppl wanna get involved in this kind of sex work then they deserve anything that happens to them. you don't think that's what you're saying but that's what your words mean.

fuck you.

  

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74. "I am not talking about what is lawful b/c alotta rapists don't see a cou..."
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let alone a prison cell. Not sorry that I'm not giving any points to rapists/people who sexually assault others that escape any form of accountability on a bogus ass technicality. LoL, a Black man saying "good thing the law..." is kinda rich tho b/c the criminal justice system & Black people is soooo sordid so so sordid.

I am w/ you that rape is intentional tho & not an oops. I think JD purposefully raped/assaulted ALL the women that came forward tho. You disagree.

I will concede that discomfort happens on porn sets, you right. (The industry gotta do better in creating a safe environment where performers can say STOP when shit gets too uncomfortable tho.) However, what homegirl described was an assault imo. Consenting to anal sex is not consenting to bloody anal sex, a big dick & hard fucking does NOT mean you gonna bleed & a decent person/performer checks in on their I don't think you understand consent is ongoing even after the contracts are signed or the seemingly bizarre behavior a victim of sexual assault can exhibit while being assaulted/post assault. She doesn't have to be a victim in a way that makes sense to you in order for het to be a victim. Like, the woman who doesn't bite & claw during an assault is no less a victim than the one that does.

Further, like 3 women done came forward, 2 of which did say no emphatically. So in this bizarro hypothetical world you got me in right now, JD definitely raped Stoya when she said no & used her safe word + slapped & molested another performer in the bathroom after she said no multiple times when he initially grabbed her. So, whatchu sayin bruh??

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91. "You are putting dumb words in my mouth. "
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>I am w/ you that rape is intentional tho & not an oops. I
>think JD purposefully raped/assaulted ALL the women that came
>forward tho. You disagree.

I never said that. I don't doubt dude is a rapist. I chose my words carefully and for you to say I am defending dude and saying he is not a rapist means my point is totally lost on you.

You are missing the greater point that I am making in that an extreme porn set is inherently misogynistic and dangerous for women. It doesn't have to be, but almost always is. And if you think the Director or the Male Actors are going to ensure the safety of women, then you are empowering more women to get raped like these women.

But keep cooking.


>
>I will concede that discomfort happens on porn sets, you
>right. (The industry gotta do better in creating a safe
>environment where performers can say STOP when shit gets too
>uncomfortable tho.) However, what homegirl described was an
>assault imo. Consenting to anal sex is not consenting to
>bloody anal sex, a big dick & hard fucking does NOT mean you
>gonna bleed & a decent person/performer checks in on their I
>don't think you understand consent is ongoing even after the
>contracts are signed or the seemingly bizarre behavior a
>victim of sexual assault can exhibit while being
>assaulted/post assault. She doesn't have to be a victim in a
>way that makes sense to you in order for het to be a victim.
>Like, the woman who doesn't bite & claw during an assault is
>no less a victim than the one that does.

>
>Further, like 3 women done came forward, 2 of which did say no
>emphatically. So in this bizarro hypothetical world you got me
>in right now, JD definitely raped Stoya when she said no &
>used her safe word + slapped & molested another performer in
>the bathroom after she said no multiple times when he
>initially grabbed her. So, whatchu sayin bruh??


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96. "LoL, your greater point is very "lies 2nd wave, mostly white feminists "
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(maybe Bell Hooks too? lol) told me was true & I believed them b/c it goes w/ my worldview"...which is cool, it's just not accurate. Shit, 2 of the 3 women in this incident were raped/assaulted when they weren't performing so...how exactly is the pornset so much more inherently dangerous/misogynistic again? Again, for the cheap seats a porn set is not an INHERENTLY more dangerous space for women than say walking down the street to catch the bus or working in an office. Unlearn anti-sex work, feminist in name not praxis, garbage; they're wrong & probably TERFs.


Further, let's be precise w/ our language since that's your thing...no space is INHERENTLY misogynistic even if it appears to be so. We (some A LOT more than others) allow systems of oppression to operate violently, unchecked...everyday. Institutions,pornsets, etc. are created by people. Things are violent & oppressive b/c people with power/people that benefit ensure the system is in place to benefit them & harm everyone else. It's infuriating that such a complicated structure (like patriarchy & the sexism + misogyny that comes w/ it) is run so mundanely & seemingly benignly but yup.

LoL, whet? Believing that JD raped/assaulted these women aka believing women, supporting practices that create a safer environment for performers, & top down accountability is me "empowering" (typo for ensuring?) more women to be raped? First, how Sway? How is me believing women when they say they've been raped, supporting rape culture & not say what you're doing in your replies to me & SoWhat?

Second, expecting men to not rape women who do sex work is THAT far fetched to you? You're weird lol. Like, omg you legit think woman's job determines how much humanity they are to be afforded & that it's comprehensible that rapists rape women on/off pornsets b/c how could a man that does porn NOT rape women. You're gross yo lol & I bet you don't work on an extreme porn set...yet, here you are capin for misogyny in the name of women's empowerment smh.

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112. "you keep trying to put dumb shit on me. "
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You can think the set of the extreme porn "anal wreckage six" isn't an inherently misogynistic or unsafe space for women, but I will respectfully disagree.


>Further, let's be precise w/ our language since that's your
>thing...no space is INHERENTLY misogynistic even if it appears
>to be so. We (some A LOT more than others) allow systems of
>oppression to operate violently, unchecked...everyday.
>Institutions,pornsets, etc. are created by people. Things are
>violent & oppressive b/c people with power/people that benefit
>ensure the system is in place to benefit them & harm everyone
>else. It's infuriating that such a complicated structure (like
>patriarchy & the sexism + misogyny that comes w/ it) is run so
>mundanely & seemingly benignly but yup.
>
>LoL, whet? Believing that JD raped/assaulted these women aka
>believing women, supporting practices that create a safer
>environment for performers, & top down accountability is me
>"empowering" (typo for ensuring?) more women to be raped?
>First, how Sway? How is me believing women when they say
>they've been raped, supporting rape culture & not say what
>you're doing in your replies to me & SoWhat?
>
>Second, expecting men to not rape women who do sex work is
>THAT far fetched to you? You're weird lol. Like, omg you legit
>think woman's job determines how much humanity they are to be
>afforded & that it's comprehensible that rapists rape women
>on/off pornsets b/c how could a man that does porn NOT rape
>women. You're gross yo lol & I bet you don't work on an
>extreme porn set...yet, here you are capin for misogyny in the
>name of women's empowerment smh.

Are you just making shit up and attributing it to me or are you slow? No where have I said anything remotely close to what you typed above.

Cut it out.


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115. "LoL, you said that male directors & actors to ensuring the safety of"
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performers is simply too much. Your logic says that accountability is not w/ the person assaulting folks or those that are present & look the other way but w/ the victim & the people that say the victim's profession does not make her some sort of viable target for rape or assault.


"And if you think the Director or the Male Actors are going to ensure the safety of women, then you are empowering more women to get raped like these women." ~ YOU

In this context, you are saying that it's simply too much to expect a performer not to assault another performer in a scene & for folks on set to make sure that the performers are comfortable especially when the scene calls for so called extreme sex.

Like, you are saying that in extreme porn it's expected for women to be assaulted b/c men performers can't be expected to not assault the women performers when the scene calls for anal sex..me disagreeing with your notion is "empowering women to get raped."

Also, why so literally? Anal wreckage is just hyperbole, when a performer (not doing scat porn) says "fuck the shit out of me"...I don't expect poop to come out.

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131. "Oh I see the problem. You can't read. "
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You can't tell the difference between a normative statement and a positive statement. We are having two different conversation. I am talking about how the world is and you are talking about how the world should be.



>performers is simply too much. Your logic says that
>accountability is not w/ the person assaulting folks or those
>that are present & look the other way but w/ the victim & the
>people that say the victim's profession does not make her some
>sort of viable target for rape or assault.
>
>
>"And if you think the Director or the Male Actors are going to
>ensure the safety of women, then you are empowering more women
>to get raped like these women." ~ YOU
>
>In this context, you are saying that it's simply too much to
>expect a performer not to assault another performer in a scene
>& for folks on set to make sure that the performers are
>comfortable especially when the scene calls for so called
>extreme sex.
>
>Like, you are saying that in extreme porn it's expected for
>women to be assaulted b/c men performers can't be expected to
>not assault the women performers when the scene calls for anal
>sex..me disagreeing with your notion is "empowering women to
>get raped."
>
>Also, why so literally? Anal wreckage is just hyperbole, when
>a performer (not doing scat porn) says "fuck the shit out of
>me"...I don't expect poop to come out.


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134. "and your view of the world 'as is' absolves"
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victimizers of culpability for bad acts b/c per your view of the world 'as is' it's impossible for the ppl involved in porn shoots to avoid acting badly. however, NOICD and i understand that there's nothing inherent in the production of the content at issue that prevents anyone involved from victimizing his/her fellow actors. in other words, porn actors do not have to accept sexual or simple battery as a work hazard b/c of the nature of the business. we understand that there are safeguards available that can prevent such conduct. ppl simply have to have the willingness to use the safeguards. they may not have such willingness in part b/c of opinions like yours that absolve bad actors from liability for their bad acts.

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149. "It doesn't absolve anybody of anything. "
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If James Deen raped people, he should go to jail. Period full stop.

Your talk about this beautiful ethical women friendly porn sets doesn't really include any pratical advice for how women should maintain their safety in the current environment.

I am talking practical advice I would tell anyone.

1. If you want to avoid a bloody ass, don't do extreme anal porn.
2. Don't trust porn actors and directors to protect you. You are the only one who can be trusted with your safety.
3. If you have hit your limit, you have to speak up and say stop or say your safe word. Don't expect anyone else to know your limit.


If you believe that sort of advice is victim blaming, well that's on you.

If you think anyone entering extreme porn shouldn't think that way, then you are doing a disservice to women and putting their safety at risk.







>victimizers of culpability for bad acts b/c per your view of
>the world 'as is' it's impossible for the ppl involved in porn
>shoots to avoid acting badly. however, NOICD and i understand
>that there's nothing inherent in the production of the content
>at issue that prevents anyone involved from victimizing
>his/her fellow actors. in other words, porn actors do not
>have to accept sexual or simple battery as a work hazard b/c
>of the nature of the business. we understand that there are
>safeguards available that can prevent such conduct. ppl
>simply have to have the willingness to use the safeguards.
>they may not have such willingness in part b/c of opinions
>like yours that absolve bad actors from liability for their
>bad acts.


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102. "'ethical porn' exists, player."
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1. the answer to the Deen allegations is NOT to shut down porn production in the interest of protecting women. but instead the answer is to beef up safeguards on str8 porn sets to reduce the occurrence of the various batteries and assaults (sexual and otherwise) and to aid ppl who have been victimized so that they hopefully feel more comfortable reporting - if not to police then at least w/in the industry. btw, there ARE porn companies who are responding to the Deen allegations that way - including Kink, a studio that cut ties w/Deen in the wake of the allegations and has issued a statement w/this language in it:

"Our performers deserve not only safe sets, but the ability to work without fear of assault. Rape or sexual assault, with or without a safe-word, off-set or on, should never be accepted as a hazard of adult production. While many of the allegations against Deen are new, the pattern is alarming. Over the coming weeks and months, we will review our Model Bill of Rights to strengthen rights of performers off-set, and work with the larger industry to help performers to have been assaulted to more easily come forward."

(http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/kink-cuts-ties-james-deen/).

2. here's an article w/info from porn actors about how to find and support 'ethical porn'. apparently it's not terribly difficult.

http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/how-to-find-ethical-porn/

Although I've been watching porn for as long as I've had relish on my hotdog (i.e., for most of my conscious life), I recently decided to go without it for an entire month to better understand how it affected my life on a day-to-day basis. As it turned out, the answer was “quite a lot”: After 30 days without erotic visual stimulation, I even found reruns of The Golden Girls arousing.

But my 30-day abstention from porn also got me thinking about how porn is made. I began to ponder the ethical questions associated with filming sex for profit, and the psychological effects on both the performers and the viewers who watch them. And yet, I was still unable to permanently let go of my lifelong masturbatory crutch.

From there, I wondered: What if there was another way to consume porn? What if, rather than restricting ourselves from all adult content, we could demand a higher level of quality from the industry? What if there was a way to seek out porn only made by enthusiastic performers under "healthy" working conditions, the same way we seek out organically raised, grass-fed steak, so we could wank guilt-free? Is there such a thing as ethical porn, and if so, how can we find it?

I interviewed some of the most successful adult film performers to see if they had any tips.

1) Stick with the Big Dogs

To ensure the porn you're watching is of the highest quality, 2014 AVN Performer of the Year Bonnie Rotten (NSFW) suggests that viewers stay loyal to the biggest brands in the biz. Producers and distributors like Evil Angel, Elegant Angel, Girlfriends Films, and Digital Playground employ only top-tier cast and crew, which means they usually shoot under the best working conditions.

Rotten says that when she works with these high-end outfits, "If I'm uncomfortable with something, I can call 'cut.’ I can let the director know, 'Hey, man, I'm not down with this.'…. If you're comfortable with speaking up and not feeling like you're offending someone…as a performer, you do have the power."

Of course, there are also plenty of insecure performers in the industry—some of whom may simply need money, or feel obligated to perform because of a personal relationship. Rotten told me a story she’d heard about a young woman on a shoot who had to be sent home because the directors felt she clearly looked uncomfortable on-camera: “They couldn’t shoot her because she was so awkward,” says Rotten.

But big companies like Evil Angel and Digital Playground won’t waste any time hiring performers who don’t truly want to perform. As the biggest players in the game, they have a reputation to uphold:"They can't waste time and money on chicks are bad in videos,” says Rotten.

For this reason, it’s best to steer clear of random scenes shot in hotel rooms by anonymous men with blurred faces. If you want to avoid watching “reluctant” performances, stick with movies from big-name distributors.

2) Play Favorites

Much like Rotten, veteran adult star and 2012 Penthouse Pet Chanel Preston (below) performed her first few scenes for some of the biggest names in the industry, so she's always had an exceptional amount of control over her career. Although she's always been prepared for her scenes, she knows that "agents are not always giving a lot of information about the company…. So walks in thinking she's doing a regular boy/girl scene, and she's doing really hardcore aggressive stuff that she might not be prepared for."

But since some producers intentionally stage scenarios to look creepily forced—for instance, there’s the classic "This chick had no idea that this wasn't actually a 'modeling audition'” scenario—there's no way for a viewer to know what's really going on. Instead of guessing, Preston says that it's best to simply "know the girl” you’re watching on screen.

"If you have a favorite performer, she's probably going to be on the Internet” with a professional website and a slew of YouTube interviews, Preston points out. "When people watch my YouTube videos, they can see that I really like what I do, I'm very confident, and was a choice I made. I wasn't coerced into this ."

Industry veteran Dana DeArmond, who’s been in the porn industry for almost a decade, also suggests that viewers check out behind-the-scenes footage or supplementary content on subscription websites, which can offer more information about a performer. Kink.com, for example, features interviews with its performers before and after each scene, ensuring that all activities were consensual.

To sum up: If you do just a little bit of research on a performer before watching them in a scene, you can learn more about their backstory, personality, and their reasons for joining the industry, so you can make sure they really want to be there before typing their name into your favorite tube site.

3) Subscribe to your favorite performers’ websites (and pay for their porn)

DeArmond also says that perhaps the best thing a viewer can do for his favorite porn star is to subscribe directly to their website, instead of watching their content on a tube site. Most stars today have their own subscription-only websites, which they use as a way to interact directly with fans. "I even go on webcam and people can talk to me personally," explains DeArmond (below). If a girl has her own website (specifically, one that she runs herself), it’s a good sign that she’s in total control of her career.

DeArmond also suggests that fans avoid checking out her work on “tube”-style free streaming sites like Pornhub and YouPorn, which have been decimating the adult industry for years. Because much of the content on sites like Pornhub is pirated, the performers featured in said content usually don’t get compensated. When you subscribe to an official site, however, you’re directly compensating producers and performers. And when you directly compensate the original producers, you’re preventing them from taking advantage of performers by paying them less for more extreme scenes.

As DeArmond says of the tube sites, "Using illegal means to get is not supportive of the industry. It's not ethical."

4) Bring It Home

Of course, not everyone is into the glossy style of high-end, big-budget "mainstream" porn. If you’re not into porn with high-end production value, but you’d still like to go the ethical route, retired stud Ryan Knox, who has performed in over 150 adult titles, has another suggestion for you: Homemade porn.

Knox suggests that talented female superstars like Rotten, Preston, and DeArmond might have a myopic perspective of the adult industry. "Some girls that are really hot and in demand…can probably say no to whatever want to on the set,” he says. Less experienced performers dealing with more aggressive directors, however, might not have that option.

Knox believes that technically, the only way to be 100 percent certain that the porn you’re watching was shot consensually is to seek out homemade amateur films. "The quality is so low," he says, "but the sex is way hotter, because these people are comfortable with each other. They can go way beyond the limits that you might find in a regular porn when two people have just met each other." Sites like Cindy Gallop’s “real-world sex” website Make Love Not Porn and filmmaker Erika Lust’s XConfessions (NSFW) are good starting points.

Knox says one of the best ways to ensure that the performers are in control physically and financially is to pay for "camgirl" shows, where women and couples use their own webcams to broadcast performances to subscribed users.That way, you can make sure the performer is directly receiving the revenue from her performance, free from any outside influence. (That said, some cam performers might not be working in such autonomous conditions, particularly those working for studios in developing countries.)

As is the case in any industry, there are a handful of sleazy filmmakers who prey on inexperienced performers to produce content. But the majority of porn content is produced by responsible and capable performers and producers, under safe, professional, and consensual circumstances. There’s no reason to feel guilty about watching it, or to try and give it up.

It’s been said that we men are visual creatures, which is why we’re primarily aroused by visual content. Our biological tendency toward prompt and efficient arousal can be tamed, but it’s not going anywhere—just like pornography itself. So just as adult performers have a responsibility to know in advance which co-stars they want to work with and which sex acts they are and aren’t willing to do, viewers also have a responsibility to support porn that’s safe, consensual, and ethically made.

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113. "The existence of ethical porn doesn't disprove that most extreme"
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porn is misogynistic and exploitative of women.

You could have saved yourself a bunch of key strokes if you considered that before your dissertation on ethical porn.



>1. the answer to the Deen allegations is NOT to shut down
>porn production in the interest of protecting women. but
>instead the answer is to beef up safeguards on str8 porn sets
>to reduce the occurrence of the various batteries and assaults
>(sexual and otherwise) and to aid ppl who have been victimized
>so that they hopefully feel more comfortable reporting - if
>not to police then at least w/in the industry. btw, there ARE
>porn companies who are responding to the Deen allegations that
>way - including Kink, a studio that cut ties w/Deen in the
>wake of the allegations and has issued a statement w/this
>language in it:
>
>"Our performers deserve not only safe sets, but the ability to
>work without fear of assault. Rape or sexual assault, with or
>without a safe-word, off-set or on, should never be accepted
>as a hazard of adult production. While many of the allegations
>against Deen are new, the pattern is alarming. Over the coming
>weeks and months, we will review our Model Bill of Rights to
>strengthen rights of performers off-set, and work with the
>larger industry to help performers to have been assaulted to
>more easily come forward."
>
>(http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/kink-cuts-ties-james-deen/).
>
>2. here's an article w/info from porn actors about how to
>find and support 'ethical porn'. apparently it's not terribly
>difficult.
>
> http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/how-to-find-ethical-porn/
>
>Although I've been watching porn for as long as I've had
>relish on my hotdog (i.e., for most of my conscious life), I
>recently decided to go without it for an entire month to
>better understand how it affected my life on a day-to-day
>basis. As it turned out, the answer was “quite a lot”:
>After 30 days without erotic visual stimulation, I even found
>reruns of The Golden Girls arousing.
>
>But my 30-day abstention from porn also got me thinking about
>how porn is made. I began to ponder the ethical questions
>associated with filming sex for profit, and the psychological
>effects on both the performers and the viewers who watch them.
>And yet, I was still unable to permanently let go of my
>lifelong masturbatory crutch.
>
>From there, I wondered: What if there was another way to
>consume porn? What if, rather than restricting ourselves from
>all adult content, we could demand a higher level of quality
>from the industry? What if there was a way to seek out porn
>only made by enthusiastic performers under "healthy" working
>conditions, the same way we seek out organically raised,
>grass-fed steak, so we could wank guilt-free? Is there such a
>thing as ethical porn, and if so, how can we find it?
>
>I interviewed some of the most successful adult film
>performers to see if they had any tips.
>
>1) Stick with the Big Dogs
>
>To ensure the porn you're watching is of the highest quality,
>2014 AVN Performer of the Year Bonnie Rotten (NSFW) suggests
>that viewers stay loyal to the biggest brands in the biz.
>Producers and distributors like Evil Angel, Elegant Angel,
>Girlfriends Films, and Digital Playground employ only top-tier
>cast and crew, which means they usually shoot under the best
>working conditions.
>
>Rotten says that when she works with these high-end outfits,
>"If I'm uncomfortable with something, I can call 'cut.’ I
>can let the director know, 'Hey, man, I'm not down with
>this.'…. If you're comfortable with speaking up and not
>feeling like you're offending someone…as a performer, you do
>have the power."
>
>Of course, there are also plenty of insecure performers in the
>industry—some of whom may simply need money, or feel
>obligated to perform because of a personal relationship.
>Rotten told me a story she’d heard about a young woman on a
>shoot who had to be sent home because the directors felt she
>clearly looked uncomfortable on-camera: “They couldn’t
>shoot her because she was so awkward,” says Rotten.
>
>But big companies like Evil Angel and Digital Playground
>won’t waste any time hiring performers who don’t truly
>want to perform. As the biggest players in the game, they have
>a reputation to uphold:"They can't waste time and money on
>chicks are bad in videos,” says Rotten.
>
>For this reason, it’s best to steer clear of random scenes
>shot in hotel rooms by anonymous men with blurred faces. If
>you want to avoid watching “reluctant” performances, stick
>with movies from big-name distributors.
>
>2) Play Favorites
>
>Much like Rotten, veteran adult star and 2012 Penthouse Pet
>Chanel Preston (below) performed her first few scenes for some
>of the biggest names in the industry, so she's always had an
>exceptional amount of control over her career. Although she's
>always been prepared for her scenes, she knows that "agents
>are not always giving a lot of information
>about the company…. So walks in thinking
>she's doing a regular boy/girl scene, and she's doing really
>hardcore aggressive stuff that she might not be prepared
>for."
>
>But since some producers intentionally stage scenarios to look
>creepily forced—for instance, there’s the classic "This
>chick had no idea that this wasn't actually a 'modeling
>audition'” scenario—there's no way for a viewer to know
>what's really going on. Instead of guessing, Preston says that
>it's best to simply "know the girl” you’re watching on
>screen.
>
>"If you have a favorite performer, she's probably going to be
>on the Internet” with a professional website and a slew of
>YouTube interviews, Preston points out. "When people watch my
>YouTube videos, they can see that I really like what I do, I'm
>very confident, and was a choice I made. I wasn't
>coerced into this ."
>
>Industry veteran Dana DeArmond, who’s been in the porn
>industry for almost a decade, also suggests that viewers check
>out behind-the-scenes footage or supplementary content on
>subscription websites, which can offer more information about
>a performer. Kink.com, for example, features interviews with
>its performers before and after each scene, ensuring that all
>activities were consensual.
>
>To sum up: If you do just a little bit of research on a
>performer before watching them in a scene, you can learn more
>about their backstory, personality, and their reasons for
>joining the industry, so you can make sure they really want to
>be there before typing their name into your favorite tube
>site.
>
>3) Subscribe to your favorite performers’ websites (and pay
>for their porn)
>
>DeArmond also says that perhaps the best thing a viewer can do
>for his favorite porn star is to subscribe directly to their
>website, instead of watching their content on a tube site.
>Most stars today have their own subscription-only websites,
>which they use as a way to interact directly with fans. "I
>even go on webcam and people can talk to me personally,"
>explains DeArmond (below). If a girl has her own website
>(specifically, one that she runs herself), it’s a good sign
>that she’s in total control of her career.
>
>DeArmond also suggests that fans avoid checking out her work
>on “tube”-style free streaming sites like Pornhub and
>YouPorn, which have been decimating the adult industry for
>years. Because much of the content on sites like Pornhub is
>pirated, the performers featured in said content usually
>don’t get compensated. When you subscribe to an official
>site, however, you’re directly compensating producers and
>performers. And when you directly compensate the original
>producers, you’re preventing them from taking advantage of
>performers by paying them less for more extreme scenes.
>
>As DeArmond says of the tube sites, "Using illegal means to
>get is not supportive of the industry.
>It's not ethical."
>
>4) Bring It Home
>
>Of course, not everyone is into the glossy style of high-end,
>big-budget "mainstream" porn. If you’re not into porn with
>high-end production value, but you’d still like to go the
>ethical route, retired stud Ryan Knox, who has performed in
>over 150 adult titles, has another suggestion for you:
>Homemade porn.
>
>Knox suggests that talented female superstars like Rotten,
>Preston, and DeArmond might have a myopic perspective of the
>adult industry. "Some girls that are really hot and in
>demand…can probably say no to whatever want to on the
>set,” he says. Less experienced performers dealing with more
>aggressive directors, however, might not have that option.
>
>Knox believes that technically, the only way to be 100 percent
>certain that the porn you’re watching was shot consensually
>is to seek out homemade amateur films. "The quality is
>so low," he says, "but the sex is way hotter, because these
>people are comfortable with each other. They can go way beyond
>the limits that you might find in a regular porn when two
>people have just met each other." Sites like Cindy Gallop’s
>“real-world sex” website Make Love Not Porn and filmmaker
>Erika Lust’s XConfessions (NSFW) are good starting points.
>
>Knox says one of the best ways to ensure that the performers
>are in control physically and financially is to pay for
>"camgirl" shows, where women and couples use their own webcams
>to broadcast performances to subscribed users.That way, you
>can make sure the performer is directly receiving the revenue
>from her performance, free from any outside influence. (That
>said, some cam performers might not be working in such
>autonomous conditions, particularly those working for studios
>in developing countries.)
>
>As is the case in any industry, there are a handful of sleazy
>filmmakers who prey on inexperienced performers to produce
>content. But the majority of porn content is produced by
>responsible and capable performers and producers, under safe,
>professional, and consensual circumstances. There’s no
>reason to feel guilty about watching it, or to try and give it
>up.
>
>It’s been said that we men are visual creatures, which is
>why we’re primarily aroused by visual content. Our
>biological tendency toward prompt and efficient arousal can be
>tamed, but it’s not going anywhere—just like pornography
>itself. So just as adult performers have a responsibility to
>know in advance which co-stars they want to work with and
>which sex acts they are and aren’t willing to do, viewers
>also have a responsibility to support porn that’s safe,
>consensual, and ethically made.
>


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116. "And the solution to that problem "
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is not to shut down extreme porn but instead to beef up safeguards that create comfortable and safe environments in which to shoot extreme porn. Sets like that already exist. They disprove your notion that extreme porn production is inherently misogynist or exploitive. We need more of those sets. Thankfully there are ppl working toward that goal as demonstrated in the various articles you didn't read.

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69. "yes."
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fuck you.

  

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70. "Actually, I wasn't clear in my question. I meant to be clear if it happe..."
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unintentionally or accidentally.


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72. "per Rayne, this wasn't an accident. Deen acted w/intent."
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if her account is true then there was no accident. Deen intentionally shoved multiple objects in her anus until it ripped and she bled so much that she couldn't continue working.

yes, during extreme butt play it's not uncommon for there to be a little blood if folks get too rough w/o using the right amount of lubricant and a few other factors. when that happens folks STOP w/the play, at least temporarily, to be sure the receiving anus is in good shape and the person receiving wants to continue. and if this in a porn context when the scene at issue calls for blood play then ppl know ahead of time there's going to be blood. but that's NOT what this case is about. Rayne has made it clear from her account that she was not down w/being punched or having objects shoved in her until her anus ripped and she bled so much that she couldn't continue.

find another case for your anti-fetish-porn agenda. this is not that case.

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73. "That's not at all clear from her account. "
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Yes it's clear he intended to stick stuff up her butt, but there is nothing her account that says he intended to make her butt bleed. Infact she says, at some point because of the blood she couldn't finish the scene. It's not clear from her account if she stopped the scene or someone else.

There is nothing in her account that suggested that she said stop or her safe word and he kept on going.

There is nothing in her account that explicitly says he did something that was explicitly on her "don't" list.

There is shocking terrible stuff in her account, but extreme porn is shocking terrible and that alone isn't enough to say that sexual assault or rape occurred. To make that determination there is key information that we need to know. namely, did JD do things that were on her don't list? Did JD ignore her request to stop or safe word?


Again, in the world of extreme porn, a bloody bunghole ain't enough. You just said it happens in consenting sex in the non-extreme porn world.

Outside the world of extreme porn, if I heard that account I think it would be 95% clear that a crime had occurred. In this context, it shoots down considerably.

You guys don't want to admit it, but context matters.


>if her account is true then there was no accident. Deen
>intentionally shoved multiple objects in her anus until it
>ripped and she bled so much that she couldn't continue
>working.
>
>yes, during extreme butt play it's not uncommon for there to
>be a little blood if folks get too rough w/o using the right
>amount of lubricant and a few other factors. when that
>happens folks STOP w/the play, at least temporarily, to be
>sure the receiving anus is in good shape and the person
>receiving wants to continue. and if this in a porn context
>when the scene at issue calls for blood play then ppl know
>ahead of time there's going to be blood. but that's NOT what
>this case is about. Rayne has made it clear from her account
>that she was not down w/being punched or having objects shoved
>in her until her anus ripped and she bled so much that she
>couldn't continue.
>
>find another case for your anti-fetish-porn agenda. this is
>not that case.


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77. "nope."
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>You guys don't want to admit it, but context matters.

the context is:

1. JD punched Rayne in the face while shooting a porn scene that didn't call for him to punch her in the face.

2. after he punched her in the face he continued inserting his penis in her anus but did so w/more violence than Rayne wanted.

3. along w/the violent insertion of his penis, JD inserted multiple objects in Rayne's anus w/o her consent and did so until he ripped her anus and caused it to bleed so much that she couldn't continue shooting.

^ that's the context. i have no problem admitting it.

again - this is not the case to use for your anti-extreme-porn agenda b/c JD's conduct was not acceptable even on that porn set. you'd have something if JD behaved in a manner that was acceptable on a porn set and his fellow actor later complained about it. but that's not what happened here. find another case to suit your agenda. this ain't it.

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79. "We have people engaging in violent sports"
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We have no problem in understanding that some holds and moves are no go, regardless of how the adrenaline affects a fighter in the moment. The problem for these actresses is that everything in the moment that should have stepped in like a referee didn't, and too many men are prepared to get on an agenda than simply acknowledge the violation for what it is. I say this as a conservatively raised, (relative) Christian prude.

Just IMO though.

  

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80. "you know?"
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fuck you.

  

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82. "But this isn't MMA and there is no referee. "
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And the stuff that y'all are saying is a "no go" goes on all the time in this type of activity.

Analogy doesn't hold up.



>We have no problem in understanding that some holds and moves
>are no go, regardless of how the adrenaline affects a fighter
>in the moment. The problem for these actresses is that
>everything in the moment that should have stepped in like a
>referee didn't, and too many men are prepared to get on an
>agenda than simply acknowledge the violation for what it is. I
>say this as a conservatively raised, (relative) Christian
>prude.


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83. "there's a director."
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That's the ref. And though face punching and anal bleeding are expected to happen on some shoots this wasn't one of those. I know bc Rayne is complaining about the conduct. So the analogy works. Though some contact is tolerated on this porn set that's not tolerated in other contexts there are still rules to the shit. They exist so ppl don't get hurt and/or feel violated. The same happens in violent sports like American football and MMA. So that analogy works.

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92. "If you think thesee directors have the women's interest in heart, then"
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You are setting up a lot of women for the fall. I am sure there are nice considerate of women extreme pornot directors, but that would be the exception not the rule.

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104. "there are plenty such directors."
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i mentioned Kink in a previous reply. here's a bit more info in an article about a writer's tour of Kink's studio. i've been there myself for a party.

https://www.slixa.com/late-night/367-how-a-tour-at-kink-com-hq-made-me-feel-good

How a Tour at Kink.com HQ Made me Feel Good About Degrading Porn (Getting Good With My Bad Fantasies)

here's a link to a video where a porn director and PA explain how to create a set environment that protects the actors:

http://www.pinklabel.tv/on-demand/ethical-porn-how-to-create-a-comfy-environment-on-set-feminist-porn-queer-porn/

Feminists talk about the virtues of “ethical porn,” but how does one DO it, exactly? From a production standpoint, several factors combine to ensure a sex-positive and respectful experience on set. With performers AND crew in mind, these steps help to create one of the fundamental elements of an ethical production.

Pink & White Productions founder and director Shine Louise Houston and performer/production assistant Jiz Lee detail the specifics of an ethical environment in producing porn, including: communication and consent, performer care, safer sex, boundaries, gender and language in directing, and much more.

With over eight years of award-winning production and performing experience on indie and mainstream sets, Shine and Jiz come together to show how a comfy environment can produce a knock-out porn scene that everyone can be proud of.

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126. "You mean like the kink director an executive that helped Deen rape...."
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Nicki Blue? On Kink premises?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/07/accuser-james-deen-had-help-raping-me.html

I just hope your are not that Naive to think that because a porn company says they are making ethical porn, and are respectful of their actors, you just believe them hook line and sinker.

That's like, well, that's like, believing James Deen when he says that he is respectful of women and treats them well.



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133. "they have more than 1 director."
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also, the studio has responded to the Deen allegations thusly:

"Our performers deserve not only safe sets, but the ability to work without fear of assault. Rape or sexual assault, with or without a safe-word, off-set or on, should never be accepted as a hazard of adult production. While many of the allegations against Deen are new, the pattern is alarming. Over the coming weeks and months, we will review our Model Bill of Rights to strengthen rights of performers off-set, and work with the larger industry to help performers to have been assaulted to more easily come forward."


^ i posted this in a previous reply in this discussion.

again: the answer to the problems identified by these cases is to increase safeguards on sets to help prevent sexual violence and to provide a safe place for victims to report such violence w/o fear of reprisal. the answer is NOT to shut down production as you seem to suggest.

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135. "You didn't read it closely or you'd be embarassed. Princess Donna runs"
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Public Disgrace for Kink. You should let that marinate.

So the person who is in charge of the extreme porn site you held up as a model of ethical porn is being accused of rape and sexual misconduct.


Shouldn't that give you some pause?

Do you still believe Kink is making ethical porn? And if so why? Because they say so?




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138. "yes, i read it."
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“Princess Donna and James Deen followed me to an area where there’s this window, where people step out to smoke, and that’s when Princess Donna and I got into it again,” says Blue. “She started to fist my ass and I was pushed into a corner so I couldn’t struggle or get away. Eventually I said ‘stop, stop’ and they did. It wasn’t planned. They didn’t ask if they could fist me in the ass, they just did it.”

here's the key part:

"Eventually I said ‘stop, stop’ and they did."

"I said ‘stop, stop’"
"and they did."

^^ there it is.

she said "stop, stop"

and they stopped.

>Public Disgrace for Kink. You should let that marinate.

i don't need to. i'm familiar w/Kink's 'Bound in Public' series. i've seen several movies in that series. i dig a few of them.

also, i know there's a guy who's worked on one of those movies who complains that he was made to perform oral sex on members of the public randomly. Kink disputes his claim saying he only performed on actors who'd been pre-screened. he's currently suing.

i have not ever said Kink is perfect. just that the company's operation is an example of a porn outfit that is concerned w/the safety of its actors and maintaining safe sets and comfortable environments for producing some extreme content. as we see in the example YOU provided - when a performer involved w/Kink was not comfortable w/action @ Kink she spoke up ("I said 'stop, stop'") and the exec director of one of Kink's fetish brands DID stop the action at the performer's request. also, the facility where this occurred has video cameras - Kink has looked for the footage but so far hasn't located it. i dunno what Kink will do to further address the complaint - we shall see. based on Kink's overall stance on the issues we're discussing i expect the company will take the complaint seriously but i dunno what it'll do.

>So the person who is in charge of the extreme porn site you
>held up as a model of ethical porn is being accused of rape
>and sexual misconduct.

yup. let's see what happens next. if Kink stands by what it claims then the complaint should be investigated and if founded then i expect some action against the victimizer here.

>Shouldn't that give you some pause?

sure.

>Do you still believe Kink is making ethical porn? And if so
>why? Because they say so?

yup.

1. the complained action occurred during a party, not a shoot.

2. she said 'stop, stop' and the action stopped.

3. she has complained about what happened.

4. Kink has heard the complaint and is investigating.

5. what Kink does from here will say more about how 'ethical' the company is than the mere fact that an actor wasn't comfortable w/some action off-set, asked for the action to cease, and the action ceased.

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144. "So wait, now you are defending rapist?"
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So you think Nicki Blue is lying about being raped?

You are being super selective with your quoting because some how you skipped over this when you highlighted your key part:

"they were holding my nose up kind of like you do a pig and they were putting the bottle in my ass, obviously it felt really weird and I got really scared and I KEPT ASKING TO STOP—and then they finally stopped.”


Doesn't the fact that she kept asking them to stop imply that they didn't stop when she asked them to stop initially? Isn't it rape to keep having sex with someone after they stop?



>“Princess Donna and James Deen followed me to an area where
>there’s this window, where people step out to smoke, and
>that’s when Princess Donna and I got into it again,” says
>Blue. “She started to fist my ass and I was pushed into a
>corner so I couldn’t struggle or get away. Eventually I said
>‘stop, stop’ and they did. It wasn’t planned. They
>didn’t ask if they could fist me in the ass, they just did
>it.”
>
>here's the key part:
>
>"Eventually I said ‘stop, stop’ and they did."
>
>"I said ‘stop, stop’"
>"and they did."
>
>^^ there it is.
>
>she said "stop, stop"
>
>and they stopped.


I guess you are saying this because you don't believe she was raped? What about my above quote?


>
>>Public Disgrace for Kink. You should let that marinate.
>
>i don't need to. i'm familiar w/Kink's 'Bound in Public'
>series. i've seen several movies in that series. i dig a few
>of them.
>
>also, i know there's a guy who's worked on one of those movies
>who complains that he was made to perform oral sex on members
>of the public randomly. Kink disputes his claim saying he
>only performed on actors who'd been pre-screened. he's
>currently suing.
>
>i have not ever said Kink is perfect. just that the company's
>operation is an example of a porn outfit that is concerned
>w/the safety of its actors and maintaining safe sets and
>comfortable environments for producing some extreme content.


WHY DO YOU BELEIVE THIS? BECAUSE THEY SAY SO? That's ridiculous. We've just seen several stories of people being accused of rape on their premises by their executives and you continue to regurgitate their talking points because, I don't know, you like their work?






>as we see in the example YOU provided - when a performer
>involved w/Kink was not comfortable w/action @ Kink she spoke
>up ("I said 'stop, stop'") and the exec director of one of
>Kink's fetish brands DID stop the action at the performer's
>request.

Either Nicki Blue was raped or not so you have to decide whether this accused person is lying or if a KINK executive is involved in a rape, which one is it?

I will also note the irony in your quest to disagree with me you are now doing a 180 and defending James Deen in a rape allegation.


also, the facility where this occurred has video
>cameras - Kink has looked for the footage but so far hasn't
>located it. i dunno what Kink will do to further address the
>complaint - we shall see. based on Kink's overall stance on
>the issues we're discussing i expect the company will take the
>complaint seriously but i dunno what it'll do.
>
>>So the person who is in charge of the extreme porn site you
>>held up as a model of ethical porn is being accused of rape
>>and sexual misconduct.
>
>yup. let's see what happens next. if Kink stands by what it
>claims then the complaint should be investigated and if
>founded then i expect some action against the victimizer here.
>
>
>>Shouldn't that give you some pause?
>
>sure.
>
>>Do you still believe Kink is making ethical porn? And if so
>>why? Because they say so?
>
>yup.
>
>1. the complained action occurred during a party, not a
>shoot.
>
>2. she said 'stop, stop' and the action stopped.
>
>3. she has complained about what happened.
>
>4. Kink has heard the complaint and is investigating.
>
>5. what Kink does from here will say more about how 'ethical'
>the company is than the mere fact that an actor wasn't
>comfortable w/some action off-set, asked for the action to
>cease, and the action ceased.


There is absolutely nothing in that story that indicates that they are still investigating this matter or that they don't consider the matter. And we are aware that Kink was aware of the incident because the girl posted about it on the kink website and someone, presumably at kink, deleted it.

Do you think it is also convenient that the footage of the incident is now deleted?



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147. "yup. i'm also over here stuffing dead babies inside live puppies."
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Wed Dec-09-15 01:19 PM by SoWhat

  

          

>So you think Nicki Blue is lying about being raped?

i dunno. she says she was though.

>You are being super selective with your quoting because some
>how you skipped over this when you highlighted your key part:
>
>"they were holding my nose up kind of like you do a pig and
>they were putting the bottle in my ass, obviously it felt
>really weird and I got really scared and I KEPT ASKING TO
>STOP—and then they finally stopped.”

i read that part too.

i dunno what you're doing w/this...as i said before, when i used Kink as an example i meant that the company takes steps to prevent sexual violence on set and at the Kink Castle. the company also seeks to create an environment where a victim can speak up (as Nicki did here). when complaints are made Kink says they're taken seriously. indeed, it seems here Nicki's complaint has been heard. and it's been investigated (Kink looked for surveillance camera footage and that maybe-deleted post).

the steps Kink takes from here to address this complaint (and others) will tell the tale about how 'ethical' Kink really is.

>Doesn't the fact that she kept asking them to stop imply that
>they didn't stop when she asked them to stop initially? Isn't
>it rape to keep having sex with someone after they stop?

yeah. and if that happened here i wonder what Kink will do to address it.

it cut ties w/Deen already. i wonder what'll happen w/Princess Donna. i dunno.

>I guess you are saying this because you don't believe she was
>raped? What about my above quote?

nope. that's not what i believe. if her claim is true then she was raped.


>WHY DO YOU BELEIVE THIS? BECAUSE THEY SAY SO?

b/c Kink says so as have several other performers who've worked w/Kink. also, i've visited Kink myself and am familiar w/ppl who have worked w/the company.

That's
>ridiculous. We've just seen several stories of people being
>accused of rape on their premises by their executives and you
>continue to regurgitate their talking points because, I don't
>know, you like their work?

i like the work, i've been to a party at the facility, i know a couple performers, i've read responses from performers who say they've had only positive experiences @ Kink and are surprised by the allegations being made in the Deen case.

>Either Nicki Blue was raped or not so you have to decide
>whether this accused person is lying or if a KINK executive is
>involved in a rape, which one is it?

naw. that's not it.

>I will also note the irony in your quest to disagree with me
>you are now doing a 180 and defending James Deen in a rape
>allegation.

actually i'm not defending him at all.

>There is absolutely nothing in that story that indicates that
>they are still investigating this matter or that they don't
>consider the matter.

Kink said it looked for a post Nicki made about the incident but couldn't find it. also, the camera footage - they've acknowledged it's probably gone in part b/c of the timing of the complaint:

"Blue allegedly posted a complaint on a Kink forum at the time, only to have it deleted. A Kink company spokesperson says that despite attempts, the alleged post has not been found.

“There are security cameras throughout the building and outside of the building, but we don’t save the footage on a regular basis unless there is a report of a crime,” a Kink spokesman told The Daily Beast."

And we are aware that Kink was aware of
>the incident because the girl posted about it on the kink
>website and someone, presumably at kink, deleted it.

possibly.

>Do you think it is also convenient that the footage of the
>incident is now deleted?

it could be. the company says it doesn't save footage unless there's been a complaint. i run into this in my professional work all of the time so i'm used to it.

fuck you.

  

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151. "Yeah and there are alot of women who have only nice things to say about"
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Wed Dec-09-15 01:34 PM by Buddy_Gilapagos

  

          

Bill Cosby, doesn't mean he isn't a rapist.

Glad Kink got you feeling warm and fuzzy about their org though. Keep cheerleading for them.

I am sure they are probably waay better than much of the industry, I just don't think that is saying very much.



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152. "well look at that. you have a thought."
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fuck you.

  

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86. "RE: But this isn't MMA and there is no referee. "
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I didn't say it is MMA. Saying that as if it contradicts my point is a strawman argument.

>And the stuff that y'all are saying is a "no go" goes on all
>the time in this type of activity.

There is boxing, there is judo, there is MMA. There is a range of combat sports. There is a range of porn. If a guy decides to stick his dick in during a softcore scene that's a violation. Each arena has its boundaries and as a profession the parties know the deal, just like you don't see a boxer kick anot opponent then try to claim that in the arena of professional fighting overall kicks can happen.


>
>Analogy doesn't hold up.
>

Maybe it doesn't, but you've done nothing to back up that point.

Just IMO though.

  

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84. "You have no basis for the statements you are making. "
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>the context is:
>1. JD punched Rayne in the face while shooting a porn scene
>that didn't call for him to punch her in the face.

What's your basis for saying it wasn't called for? You don't know what was on the "don't do list". She didn't say that she objected to being hit in the face. Is your basis it's clearly wrong to hit someone in the face? We know since this is a common feature in this sort of activity that that isn't enough.

>
>2. after he punched her in the face he continued inserting his
>penis in her anus but did so w/more violence than Rayne
>wanted.

You mean after she was encouraging him to go hard? From her statement the only thing that we know for a fact she told him was encouragement while he was pile driving her. The only reason anyone of us know that it is more than she wanted is because she told us after the fact.


>
>3. along w/the violent insertion of his penis, JD inserted
>multiple objects in Rayne's anus w/o her consent and did so
>until he ripped her anus and caused it to bleed so much that
>she couldn't continue shooting.

Again you don't know whether she didn't consent to sticking stuff in her butt. You don't even know if sticking multiple stuff up her butt was on her "do" list. You certainly can't get that from her statement.




>^ that's the context. i have no problem admitting it.
>
>again - this is not the case to use for your anti-extreme-porn
>agenda b/c JD's conduct was not acceptable even on that porn
>set.


But it was acceptable on that porn set. We know that from Rayne's own statement. No one saw it and stopped it. Not only did no one on that set think it was out of the ordinary, Folks were hi-fiv'ing each other after.

In your defense of extreme porn you are trying to make this seem like some sort of anomaly but if you talk to enough porn folks, scratch that, women in porn, they will tell you that this is not uncommon for dudes to overstep boundaries.

I know in your head their is so ideal extreme porn set where women are treated with respect and it's one big fun party for them but in practice it's a deeply misogynistic environment inherently unsafe for women.


you'd have something if JD behaved in a manner that was
>acceptable on a porn set and his fellow actor later complained
>about it. but that's not what happened here. find another
>case to suit your agenda. this ain't it.


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85. "RE: You have no basis for the statements you are making. "
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>What's your basis for saying it wasn't called for?

A professional porn actor's complaint about having been punched in the face while being fucked hard in the ass after she had just encouraged an actor to fuck her hard.

You don't
>know what was on the "don't do list". She didn't say that she
>objected to being hit in the face. Is your basis it's clearly
>wrong to hit someone in the face? We know since this is a
>common feature in this sort of activity that that isn't
>enough.
>
>>
>>2. after he punched her in the face he continued inserting
>his
>>penis in her anus but did so w/more violence than Rayne
>>wanted.
>
>You mean after she was encouraging him to go hard?

No, I mean after he had punched her in the

Never mind.

From her
>statement the only thing that we know for a fact she told him
>was encouragement while he was pile driving her. The only
>reason anyone of us know that it is more than she wanted is
>because she told us after the fact.
>
>
>>
>>3. along w/the violent insertion of his penis, JD inserted
>>multiple objects in Rayne's anus w/o her consent and did so
>>until he ripped her anus and caused it to bleed so much that
>>she couldn't continue shooting.
>
>Again you don't know whether she didn't consent to sticking
>stuff in her butt. You don't even know if sticking multiple
>stuff up her butt was on her "do" list. You certainly can't
>get that from her statement.
>
>
>
>
>>^ that's the context. i have no problem admitting it.
>>
>>again - this is not the case to use for your
>anti-extreme-porn
>>agenda b/c JD's conduct was not acceptable even on that porn
>>set.
>
>
>But it was acceptable on that porn set. We know that from
>Rayne's own statement. No one saw it and stopped it. Not
>only did no one on that set think it was out of the ordinary,
>Folks were hi-fiv'ing each other after.
>
>In your defense of extreme porn you are trying to make this
>seem like some sort of anomaly but if you talk to enough porn
>folks, scratch that, women in porn, they will tell you that
>this is not uncommon for dudes to overstep boundaries.
>
>I know in your head their is so ideal extreme porn set where
>women are treated with respect and it's one big fun party for
>them but in practice it's a deeply misogynistic environment
>inherently unsafe for women.
>
>
>you'd have something if JD behaved in a manner that was
>>acceptable on a porn set and his fellow actor later
>complained
>>about it. but that's not what happened here. find another
>>case to suit your agenda. this ain't it.
>
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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87. "oh wait. here's some basis for your ass (link/swipe):"
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1. Amber Rayne is now friends w/Deen and says that she has reason to believe that DEEN HIMSELF knows he went too far:

“We’re friends now and I’ll sometimes bring it up as a joke and you can see it makes him physically uncomfortable when I do, so he does realize something was wrong that day,” says Rayne.

2. the director has said he went too far:

Released in 2006, in a scene some fans call the “weirdest in porn,” the director, the late Chico Wang, alluded to these issues in a forum post about the movie's release. “It seemed I went a bit overboard when one of the girls, Amber Rayne, suddenly couldn’t finish her scene because of backdoor problems.”

here's a link and swipe w/the full article from which i pulled the quotes. btw, it contains a story from ANOTHER porn actor complaining about Deen going too far w/her on another shoot. note: that one was NOT an extreme or fetish scene:

It was supposed to be a regular boy/girl sex scene (anal was one of her “no’s”), but her co-star apparently had other plans. “James kept trying to get inside my ass but I kept pushing him away, so he choked me, then he slammed my face down into the couch and forced himself in my ass anyway,” says Peters. “The crew all high-fived him and told him what a great job he did getting an anal scene for the price of a boy/girl scene.”

link/swipe below:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/two-more-james-deen-accusers-tell-all-there-was-so-much-blood.html

12.02.1510:51 AM ET
Two More James Deen Accusers Tell All: ‘There Was So Much Blood’

Porn stars Amber Rayne and Kora Peters tell The Daily Beast’s Aurora Snow about how Deen violated them on set, bringing the total number of on the record accusers to five.

“I didn’t know calling him a bitch was a trigger word. I had no idea. I’d never worked with him before.”

One well-known adult actress discovered, quite by accident, how to provoke James Deen with a single word.

And it’s a day she’ll never forget.

Sharing her story exclusively with The Daily Beast, adult actress Amber Rayne wants to be clear about why she’s coming forward now. It’s not for the attention. In fact she’d prefer not to have it. What allegedly happened between her and Deen was long ago, an event she’d dismissed as a one-off until recently.

The first accusation against Deen came from ex-girlfriend and fellow adult actor Stoya, who tweeted, “James Deen held me down and fucked me while I said no, stop, used my safeword,” she tweeted. “I just can’t nod and smile when people bring him up anymore.”

Stoya’s allegations have encouraged a number of other women to come forward with their own horrifying stories. Former porn star Tori Lux opened up about Deen’s sexual assault in an essay first published at The Daily Beast, accusing him of striking her and then “forcing my face into his crotch several times before shoving me to the floor.” Adult actress Ashley Fires later revealed to The Daily Beast she was attacked and had “almost been raped” by Deen.

As Deen’s friend and colleague, Rayne’s decision to share her story was a difficult—and painful—one. Years have passed, and since the incident she’s developed a friendship with Deen, in spite of how they met. Rayne seems to genuinely care about her colleague and hesitates to share her initial experience, not wanting to cause him any more grief. “I’ve gotten to know him on many different levels,” says Rayne. “There’s a friendship that’s developed. I don’t want to betray or lose that, but at the same time this did happen, and it happened to other people that I know and love.”

“We’re friends now and I’ll sometimes bring it up as a joke and you can see it makes him physically uncomfortable when I do, so he does realize something was wrong that day,” says Rayne. “I thought it was an insecurity phase. He was just starting out, he was still a young punk kid coming in and I still didn’t know what the game was.” There’s no training in porn. It’s all on-the-job training, with few performers willing to mentor newbies.

“We were in a piledriver, he was fucking me in the ass and I said something like, ‘Yeah fuck me like that you son of a bitch.’ His face twisted and he came down on my face two times—close-fisted,” says Rayne. “I was punched in the face while he was still in my ass and then he starts going crazy on my butt—extreme, brutally fucking it. He just starts shoving things in to the point where he ripped it and I bled everywhere. There was so much blood I couldn’t finish the scene.”

Released in 2006, in a scene some fans call the “weirdest in porn,” the director, the late Chico Wang, alluded to these issues in a forum post about the movie's release. “It seemed I went a bit overboard when one of the girls, Amber Rayne, suddenly couldn’t finish her scene because of backdoor problems.”

She remembers hearing the director say, “Oh, shit.” The director’s assistant took her into the bathroom to assess the damage. In his opinion, she needed stitches (which she later received). Ever the consummate professional, Rayne said, “I’ll be fine,” determined to finish the scene, somehow. She and the director decided on a multiple-guy BJ scene (sans Deen) featuring her face instead of the injured rear.

“It took many years before we worked together again… my agent showed up at the end of that scene and said, ‘We’re taking you straight to the hospital.’ He was pissed,” says Rayne. “I was a big money-maker and I was out of commission.”

Years later she consented to working with Deen—again under the supervision of a trusted director. “I went in waiting for a battle, ‘I’m going to take you on now.’ It was a challenge, like, ‘I will break you,’ and it ended up being a really sweet scene. At the time, people really liked working with him and it was that scene when I realized why,” says Rayne. “It seemed like he’d grown up significantly, at least in his interactions with me, and I grew into a stronger person as well.”

"I was punched in the face while he was still in my ass and then he starts going crazy on my butt—extreme, brutally fucking it. He just starts shoving things in to the point where he ripped it and I bled everywhere."

Looking back, Rayne says she rationalized the incident by thinking of Deen as really young and new to the business. But now that so many others have come forward, the newbie excuse no longer applies. “I can’t blame it on immaturity anymore. I can’t blame it on being new to the industry and being some young kid. No, you know better.”

Sex is about communication and trust, not just penetration—especially on porn sets.

There are few consequences for the directors, agents, and/or performers cashing in on inexperienced newbies who haven’t yet made a name for themselves and don’t possess the agency to take a stand yet.

Early on in her career, adult actress Kora Peters claims she was also taken advantage of by Deen during an on-camera scene.

It was supposed to be a regular boy/girl sex scene (anal was one of her “no’s”), but her co-star apparently had other plans. “James kept trying to get inside my ass but I kept pushing him away, so he choked me, then he slammed my face down into the couch and forced himself in my ass anyway,” says Peters. “The crew all high-fived him and told him what a great job he did getting an anal scene for the price of a boy/girl scene.”

Violated and in need of support following the scene, Peters called her agent at the time. “He said I should feel honored that James wanted me so badly because he was one of the best male performers,” Peters says.

Ever since that scarring incident, Peters says she’s avoided Deen and hasn’t worked with him since. “I just want to prevent this from happening to any other women,” says Peters. “It’s crazy how I was the one under attack and James got accolades for raping me on set.”


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90. "Yeah dude no one isn't arguing that JD isn't abusive to women"
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I am not even arguing that dude didn't go overboard in that scene or doesn't go overboard in general.

My point has always been it's not clear that there has been a sexual assault unless we know that she said stop and he kept going or if he did something to a woman that was on her don't list. That's not clear in Amber Rayne's retelling. The fact that he banged her anally to the point she is bleeding wouldn't be sufficient, because like you mentioned, that can happen in anal sex. The fact that he hit her in the face alone isn't sufficient, because we don't know if it was on her don't list or if she told him to stop (which she doesn't say she did).

Now I am just repeating myself.



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98. "And each time you repeat this bs I lose more respect for you."
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fuck you.

  

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26. "I don't get it"
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Isn't guy claim to fame how rough he is with the actresses? Their tiger went tiger. The fact that the other women who are coming with their own accusations of him never reported him to the law at the time the alleged attacks took place is interesting.I never understood why Stoya was so special.

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31. "please."
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>Isn't guy claim to fame how rough he is with the actresses?
>Their tiger went tiger. The fact that the other women who are
>coming with their own accusations of him never reported him to
>the law at the time the alleged attacks took place is
>interesting.

when the average non-porn star woman reports rape, law enforcement often treat them like shit, ask what they were wearing, imply that they are to blame or were asking for it, etc etc

tha fuck you think would happen if a porn star reported a rape? sadly, these women know what would happen and didn't want to put themselves through that.

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75. "RE: please."
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>>Isn't guy claim to fame how rough he is with the actresses?
>
>>Their tiger went tiger. The fact that the other women who
>are
>>coming with their own accusations of him never reported him
>to
>>the law at the time the alleged attacks took place is
>>interesting.
>
>when the average non-porn star woman reports rape, law
>enforcement often treat them like shit, ask what they were
>wearing, imply that they are to blame or were asking for it,
>etc etc
>
>tha fuck you think would happen if a porn star reported a
>rape? sadly, these women know what would happen and didn't
>want to put themselves through that.
>
>d

It's less about what the fuck I think and more about putting themselves in a position to fight, regardless of how they're treated ( Which is true, I agree with you that they treat rape victims like shit).My problem is at least put yourself in a fighting position. This shit about "They usually treat us like shit" has become such a cliche that people should cover their basis not to fall in a situation where they forfeit their rights to fight.

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81. "have you ever been raped?"
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My problem is at least put yourself in a
>fighting position.

if the answer is no, then you can shut all the way the fuck up.

This shit about "They usually treat us like
>shit" has become such a cliche that people should cover their
>basis not to fall in a situation where they forfeit their
>rights to fight.

oh really? so porn stars have forfeited their right to fight?

no you dumb clueless neanderthal motherfucker. EVERY woman has a right to not have anybody do anything to their body that they don't want done to them at ANY moment....no matter WHAT their job is.

somebody get their fuckboy outta this post.

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88. "RE: have you ever been raped?"
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Look at us losing all civility because of your inability to read and comprehend simple text.

No I haven't been raped yet. Doesn't change shit though.
By not going to the law out of fear of not being treated fairly , they are losing their opportunity to successfully fight legally against their rapists ( Their odds to send their rapist in jail diminish). This is not an opinion. Trails go cold and proving a rape way after the fact is more difficult.Coming after the fact is a weak strategy to get justice, regardless on how your little butthurt heart feels about it.
The rest of this exchange is you putting your hand in my ass and making a hand puppet out of me. LOL

>My problem is at least put yourself in a
>>fighting position.
>
>if the answer is no, then you can shut all the way the fuck
>up.
>
>This shit about "They usually treat us like
>>shit" has become such a cliche that people should cover
>their
>>basis not to fall in a situation where they forfeit their
>>rights to fight.
>
>oh really? so porn stars have forfeited their right to fight?
>
>
>no you dumb clueless neanderthal motherfucker. EVERY woman has
>a right to not have anybody do anything to their body that
>they don't want done to them at ANY moment....no matter WHAT
>their job is.
>
>somebody get their fuckboy outta this post.
>
>d
>
>


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32. "they talk about it on race wars with tracy morgan and lisa ann"
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she had a LOT to say about it
also, tracy morgan back and he's fucking hilarious as ever
https://soundcloud.com/racewars/tracy-morgan
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36. "least something good came from this fucked situation"
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now I'm up on this race wars podcast

thanks

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65. "I guess what's leaving me scratching my head is..."
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... how, exactly the fuck, is a male porn star ever considered a "feminist"???

Any man participating in "facial abuse" porn is pretty much disqualified from ever being called a feminist.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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67. "He never claimed to be a feminist, some white women who blog decared him..."
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feminist. Anybody can say they're feminist, but ultimately, what that praxis looking like tho??

I disagree that doing extreme porn disqualifies a person from being/identifying as feminist but raping women FULL STOP DISQUALIFIES you from being a feminist.

Further, JD has been basically fired by Evil Angel & Kink & those companies are supposedly working on a system for performers to feel safe reporting assaults immediately so that trash like JD are persona non grata on sight.

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78. "Is that who the Teen Mom chick was with in her videos"
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I did see that one once so think I know who this is, not positive tho

  

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89. "Anyone know if this movie was released and was the scene in it?"
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"Another performer, Kora Peters, also told the publication about a non-consensual encounter she had with Deen during a shoot in which she explicitly expressed that she would not have anal sex: "James kept trying to get inside my ass but I kept pushing him away, so he choked me then he slammed my face down into the couch and forced himself in my ass anyway," Peters said. "The crew all high-fived him and told him what a great job he did getting an anal scene for the price of a boy/girl scene." "

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94. "If footage exists, it's evidence"
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and the moment they realize this the footage will no longer exist.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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101. "it's on xvideos but it's boring as fuck, lame scene"
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nothing she says and certainly not the slamming/forcing is depicted.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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103. "which tells me the face-punching and insertion of 'things' Amber's anus"
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until she 'bled everywhere' was NOT part of the scene as BG seems to suggest.

but i already suspected that b/c i'm not brand new. plus the director has said as much. and even Deen himself has indicated to Amber that he regrets what he did during the shoot in question.

fuck you.

  

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107. "RE: which tells me the face-punching and insertion of 'things' Amber's a..."
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yeah like i said i was more inclined to believe her and a little more skeptical of this story.

occupational hazards, i guess. i think back to some of the injuries and wild shit that have happened in part, chicks like amee donovan just getting destroyed and leaving the business or cody lane being a total glutton for abuse. weird business.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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108. "conduct like Amber describes shouldn't be accepted as an 'occupational h..."
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sexual battery is not an occupational hazard that comes w/shooting porn. and having one's anus ripped until it bleeds 'everywhere' is also not acceptable as an occupational hazard as it's entirely possible to engage in anal play w/o ripping the anus. even if one is shoving multiple items in there w/force one can do so w/o damage. again, i know this b/c i've done it and i know several ppl who've done it and i've seen too many videos where ppl have inserted body parts (hands, arms, feet), toys (huge ones sometimes) and things (chain link, baseball bats, speculum, et al) in the anus w/o ripping it.

Amber's story, if true, is entirely unacceptable.

fuck you.

  

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109. "Accepted or not, it is one, that's all I said."
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I agree with you, but how things should be is seldom how they are.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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110. "it's not though."
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Amber's anus was ripped as part of a battery. that's not an 'occupational hazard'.

fuck you.

  

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118. "nah, butt ripping is def an occupational hazard in butt pron"
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119. "i'm sure YOU think so."
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but you're a fool.

fuck you.

  

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120. "why you so mean bro? "
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121. "b/c fuck you."
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that's why.

fuck you.

  

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122. "that type of anger is how butt holes get ripped ^^^"
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123. "thankfully you don't have to worry about that."
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there's no way i'd ever go anywhere near you or your butt for the purpose of putting anything in you.

fuck you.

  

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124. "thx, thats nicest thing you ever said to me bruh"
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125. "Butt if accidental Butt ripping is occasionally a part of normal butt se..."
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how can it not be occasionally a normal part of extreme porn butt sex? How can you not consider it a possibilty when starring in Anal Wreckage 1-6? If I were starring in Anal Wreckage 6, I would at least skim 1-5 to see if my butt was up for it.

You have this logic fail that because the actor and director felt bad about it afterwards, that it wasn't unintentional which doesn't follow.

You can unintentionally have an accident in sex and definitely feel bad afterwards.





>but you're a fool.


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129. "lol, he knows this butt he wont admit it"
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130. "youre really stuck on the title 'Anal Wreckage'."
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The title is not to be taken literally. The word 'wreckage' doesn't imply actual damage or injury to anyone but merely that someone is getting fucked in the ass. Period. That's all it means. So, no, an actor who agrees to bottom for a scene in 'Anal Wreckage' shouldn't expect to experience any injury or damage. Also, considering these are professionals who are creating a work of fantasy the actors involved rightly expect professionalism on set. It can and should happen. If it doesn't that's unacceptable and the industry needs to do a better job at creating safe environments. Again - I know it's possible in part bc I have personal experience but also bc there are safe sets. Plus there's gay porn where yes there are problems but not the extent that I hear in breeder porn. So if some ppl shooting fetish porn can do it safely it means there's nothing inherent in fetish porn that keeps ppl from shooting it safely. Which is why I disagree with everything you've said in this post.

fuck you.

  

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136. "the title AND the content.."
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it all looks very extreme which is why I think butt rippage is a hazard when doing those things.

its not gentle, it's not loving, it's tough rough butt pounding.

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139. "it's fiction and fantasy."
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fuck you.

  

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137. "It's the first title I saw after scanning her filmology for 2 seconds. "
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I am sure there are other titles I could pick but I am work and it perfectly illustrates my point.

And you can say what you want but the title does imply that dudes are trying their best to fuck the shit out of these chicks butts.

And if dudes are trying to fuck the shit out of chicks butts, anal tearing can happen.

Doesn't mean dudes intend for it to happen. Doesn't mean it has to happen but you'd be foolish to walk into that situation if you are tender butt.

You can hold onto this fairy tale notion that there are these mythical "ethical porn sites" but I'd be a little more reticence
to declare it exist when the example you held up is being run by a person accused of rape. You should be more cynical.

Your white woman feminism comes at no risk to you but it puts naive women in positions where they are getting raped by James Deen because they believe shit like James Deen is a feminist and that company's like Kink give a shit about their well being.



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140. "right. it's a title."
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>I am sure there are other titles I could pick but I am work
>and it perfectly illustrates my point.

a title.

okay.

>And you can say what you want but the title does imply that
>dudes are trying their best to fuck the shit out of these
>chicks butts.

the title.

we're talking about a title.

>And if dudes are trying to fuck the shit out of chicks butts,
>anal tearing can happen.

again. based on the title.

sure.

>Doesn't mean dudes intend for it to happen. Doesn't mean it
>has to happen but you'd be foolish to walk into that situation
>if you are tender butt.

based only on the title.

uh huh.

>You can hold onto this fairy tale notion that there are these
>mythical "ethical porn sites" but I'd be a little more
>reticence
>to declare it exist when the example you held up is being run
>by a person accused of rape. You should be more cynical.

oh sure. based on the title of the movie.

the title.

>Your white woman feminism comes at no risk to you but it puts
>naive women in positions where they are getting raped by James
>Deen because they believe shit like James Deen is a feminist
>and that company's like Kink give a shit about their well
>being.

right.

based on the title.

of the movie.

okay.

oh, BTW...i believe i have seen the actual scene in question here. all that happens is Deen and Rayne have plain ol' vanilla anal sex. like, he sticks his penis in her anus. and moves it back and forth. it's not particularly rough.

but...the title. we're only talking about the title here. so let me stop talking about the actual content. b/c...the title.

got it.

fuck you.

  

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141. "So you don't think the title implies there is going to be serious Ass fc..."
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If you rented dirty cum guzzlers 13 wouldn't you expect to see some swallowing?

If I rented chicks with dicks you think I'd be wrong to expect to see some chicks....with dicks?

Dude what is you even talking about now?


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142. "not in the way you probably mean."
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>Dude what is you even talking about now?

1. when i consume these movies i don't just look at the title in part b/c the titles often 'oversell' or exaggerate the actual content.

2. typically either staged pix or action stills are available for me to review.

3. if i'm familiar w/either the studio, director or actors i have some idea what to expect from the movie.

fuck you.

  

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143. "basically"
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this dude talking about looking at still photo's in 2015 and knowing who the directors and producers are...

GTFOH



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145. "well, yeah. i guess informed decisions are passe now."
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silly me. i should seek as little info as possible when making any decision. choosing blindly is more 2015.

thanks for the heads up.

fuck you.

  

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146. "it's 2015 and you really acting like these titles "
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are bullshittin?

and lmao at looking at still photos like its those big ass VHS boxes.

You still copping your tapes from those seedy box stores with the funny room in the back?

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148. "yup. that's what i'm doing."
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fuck you.

  

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99. "That nigga did it"
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Unlike most situations, you can't argue consent in porn.

  

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153. "Huh?"
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>Unlike most situations, you can't argue consent in porn.


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106. "Weird thing about all this : dude was seen as 'women friendly' to the la..."
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A lot of women enjoyed his scenes because they usually catered to what they like in porn (sensuality, chemistry, pussy eating, etc)

Not my words of course. This is based off what I've read on Reddit/r/chickflixxx and my experience watching porn with broads

  

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111. "that cuz hes a white porn actor that doesn't look like an ex-con"
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every deen scene i've scene got that dude chocking chicks and slapping em around

lex steele seems way more "woman friendly" than deen, but he black, soooo....no articles, no mainstream "fame"

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114. "Props to SoWhat and Buddy for turning that exchange into comedic gold"
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I can't imagine that conversation taking place in real life with straight faces.

  

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128. "I am game. "
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117. "James Deen shocked by allegations"
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James Deen Says He's 'Shocked' By Sexual Assault Allegations
The adult film star told The Daily Beast he's been "completely baffled" by what women are saying.
6 hours ago
Hilary Hanson News editor, The Huffington Post

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Adult star James Deen has given his first interview in the wake of numerous assault allegations.
“I am completely baffled,” Deen said in an exclusive interview with the Daily Beast.

Nine women have accused Deen of assault since Stoya, porn star and Deen’s ex-girlfriend, tweeted in late November that Deen had once raped her. Over the next week, more women came forward to describe incidents ranging from forced oral sex to being hit in the face.

Additionally, Deen’s ex-girlfriend Joanna Angel spoke about her allegedly physically and emotionally abusive relationship with Deen, though she noted she was not accusing Deen of a crime. At least two other adult stars have also spoken about Deen’s inappropriate behavior on porn sets.

Deen, who has previously denied Stoya's allegations on Twitter, told the Daily Beast he was “shocked” by the accusations. He characterized them as either totally false, or a misrepresentation of events. In some cases, he said the alleged incidents were actually things that had occurred consensually during porn shoots.

“Most of these are descriptions of things on BDSM or rough sex sets,” he said. “When I am on set I am under instruction of the company who is paying me. I could describe the events of the scene I was in the other day and it could be just as dramatic.”

Deen suggested Stoya could have been motivated by jealousy over his new girlfriend, or by a desire to drive traffic to her website.

“The reason Stoya made this claim could be as simple as her finding out that my current girlfriend and I are moving in together. We have mutual friends, one of our friends notified Stoya of this information. It could be as calculated as Stoya trying to drive traffic to her website."

Stoya told The Guardian last week that she spoke out because she could no longer “bear the thought” of Deen getting the opportunity to hurt other women because she had stayed silent. She has also tweeted supported for other women who have accused Deen of abuse, as well as for Christy Mack, an adult star who was brutally beaten by MMA fighter War Machine last year.




Deen also claimed to The Daily Beast that “multiple women” told him that media has offered them “up to five thousand dollars” to talk about him.
“At this point I am just waiting for everyone who has ever disliked me ever from my entire life to come out with some extreme story or interpretation of how horrible I am,” he said.
To read the full interview with Deen, head over to The Daily Beast.

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154. "only on okp"
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victim-blaming (and various misguided accusations of it)

analecdotal evidence

random strawmen

putting words in people's mouth

treating things not explicitly stated as obvious and not acknowledging them as "being brand new"

it had everything...

all it was missing was someone like me being above it all (finally)

toast to the conservative trolls and progressive retards

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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155. "it also needs someone to come in and offer nothing"
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but a passive-aggressive recount of the post complete w/thrown stones and hidden hands.

good thing you're here right on time w/that bullshit as per usual.

now maybe this clusterfucked discussion is complete.

fuck you.

  

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blkprinceMD05
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Thu Dec-10-15 01:07 AM

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157. "ctfu "
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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Riot
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156. "party aint a party without a famewhore joining in"
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presenting professional reality tv zombie farrah abraham in the role of janice dickerson

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/farrah-abraham-james-deen-rape-allegations_5666db29e4b079b2818ff302

Former "Teen Mom" star Farrah Abraham is the latest woman to accuse porn star James Deen of sexual assault.
Deen co-starred with Abraham in her X-rated debut "Farrah Superstar: Backdoor Teen Mom," in 2013. The former reality star attempted to pass the the video off as a leaked sex tape rather than a professionally shot video, and Deen was quick to go on record at the time claiming he was hired for the project, and didn't agree to pretend the two were dating.
Now, in an interview with the Daily Mail, Abraham still maintains the two had a casual relationship and alleges that Deen was "abusive, pushy and manipulative" throughout.
"James Deen raped me for his benefit of fame. He conspired against me with others that I thought were my friends at the time, and that was very hurtful," she said.
Abraham went on to allege that, at some point during a sexual encounter, Deen drugged her. "I don't know if he just drugged women to take advantage of them, or what was going on. I experienced extreme anger problems and abusive behavior from Deen," she told the Daily Mail. "He treated me like he wanted to break me and ruin my career as a reality star-celebrity, as many witnessed. I no longer wanted to be around him."
When The Huffington Post spoke to Abraham in 2014, she maintained that she and Deen were in a relationship when they shot their explicit video.
"I personally was ," she explained. "I can only say what I personally am, and what I was under the belief of. I can't really vouch for anyone else or anything."
At the time she declined to explain to HuffPost how the two met, but Abraham now tells the Daily Mail she was introduced to him by an unnamed manager. A rep for Gina Rodriguez, Abraham's manager at the time, denied Abraham's account of events, claiming she met Deen through the X-rated company she made the video with.



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158. "this broad is a trip"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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