I kept hearing y'all talk about Future on this site so I checked for it on Spotify (ohh, that's what Kwesi's post was about). I just couldn't.

It's kind of annoying that I can't listen to black radio with my kids because of the random f-cked up stuff I am bound to hear. (This easily could be a "what happened to LOVE songs" post).

I've long made the distinction between black culture and black entertainment. When people want to criticize black culture the first thing they do is cite examples of black entertainment as if the two are interchangeable. That's bullshit.

But I am wondering if listening and watching stuff like that all the time, does it take a toll on us?

Poll result (30 votes) Naw it's just entertainment. (4 votes) Vote Some, but not enough to be overly concerned (2 votes) Vote It's a big issue negatively affecting Black People. (24 votes) Vote

but a lot of middle-class, suburban black kids got on some real thug shit back in the early 90s.

and otherwise dress like they didn't wear jersey's back in the day?

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

fuck you.

Yup, Black women's fault. #Genderwarz back!!

fuck you.

What I recall is that the perception of blackness is narrowly defined so it was either avenue a or avenue b and kids in the suburbs picked what they think they should be doing vs doing whatever feels right

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fuck you.

>What I recall is that the perception of blackness is narrowly
>defined so it was either avenue a or avenue b and kids in the
>suburbs picked what they think they should be doing vs doing
>whatever feels right

dropped where I am from, but then I came of age when young people WOULD start smoking weed when the chronic dropped.

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

fuck you.

The reason I think I saw a difference was because I have an older brother who was 4 years older than me and they were into drinking but weren't into smoking. When I come through four years later and after the chronic, we were all trying to smoke. Mind you it took actually getting to college before I discovered good weed and actually got high.


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

>The reason I think I saw a difference was because I have an
>older brother who was 4 years older than me and they were into
>drinking but weren't into smoking. When I come through four
>years later and after the chronic, we were all trying to
>smoke.

Considering how common weed-smoking has been I'm pretty sure those kids would've been exposed to weed without The Chronic.

fuck you.

breh aint in love no more. ciara made him a monster and he's better for it.

<--- Big Baller World Order

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

It's not like things were peachy-keen with us when our entertainment was less negative. I don't think entertainment has too much impact.

fuck you.

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

fuck you.

I don't think negativity in culture is necessarily a negative thing - but hegemony is dangerous, especially when it's a hegemony of negative stereotypes.

The disparity between how media wants to portray Blackness through pop culture as a set of ubiquitous characteristics and how it actually exists in the real world (as a set of 38 million individual personalities and thousands of cultural movements) has caused all sorts of misunderstandings, assumptions and prejudices to become mainstream "truisms".

I've loved Hip Hop since I was a 9 year old kid in rural England without contact with (m)any black people and it has given me cause to find out a lot of truly beautiful pieces of AfAm culture (including avenues of HipHop), but the caricatured and shallow generalisations constantly rolled out to BET and MTV have also become sticks which mainstream America uses, however subconsciously, to keep rank-and-file Black people disproportionately feared, poor and powerless compared to their rank-and-file White counterparts.

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forever.

But seeing the spread of thug life and gooning to middle class black suburbanites, I might have to change my tune. Millions of marketing dollars have managed to shift the axis Black culture so that it now revolve around Black entertainment.

With that said, I still would not censor artists or posit that "negative" messages
in black music is the main factor creating problems in the black community. Racism is more damaging.

fuck you.

Just hearing suburban people say "Nigga" but sounding as if they have to force their tongue to not pronounce the "er" because they're so used to doing so is hilarity. A lot of them just hold it out..."my nigg-uhhhhhh" so they don't slip and say it wrong.

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When we were young we were like "this stuff doesn't affect us", now we are watching young people and we are like "this music is making them dumb".

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

>When we were young we were like "this stuff doesn't affect
>us", now we are watching young people and we are like "this
>music is making them dumb".

on some 'back in my day'. sometimes we paint the picture of our own recent history as all unicorns & rainbows. these kids are not different than we were. they have different tools/access. but we'd be doing the same shit if this was our time of youth.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

& honestly its nothing compared to all the other important issues that we are facing.

turn the radio off if you don't deem it appropriate.

its an american trait & we are the uber americans.

but yeah Black people have been bred to have a fuck the world, nobody but me type outlook

instead of the we all coming up outlook other ethnicities have

i could get super deep on this subject but i got a meeting


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

People who have limited (or no) interaction with Black people rely on media to learn
about us whether consciously or unconsciously...
When they only thing they ever see us doing is acting violently, arguing, etc, it makes
in impression on the brain. Repetition, my friend. "This is what Black people enjoy"

How does that affect us? Try this, watch RHOA, read the Sandra Bland story, and then
look at the general reaction of white america to that a similar stories. We aren't
seen as worthy of life. All we talk about it violence, right? It's not true, but the most
powerful mediums project that image.

Beyond that, we grow up hearing all that "You know black folks don't pay bills on time",
"You know we ain't gon be on time", "Black woman will cuss yo ass out" shit. This is
where it's accepted as our culture BY US. That shit ain't cool and it ain't cute.

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I have a white co-worker who used to wild out and has been to jail a few times. She finally called down now that her daughter is 18 and looked like she was headed in the same direction...

but when talking about police and black murders she gives the same bullshit lines as the rest of them. "if people didn't act crazy... " "I hope Charlotte doesn't turn into Ferguson"

just crazy talk but 2 minutes later she is asking if she should send her fiancee ex-wife a fucked up text message cause she is taking him to court AGAIN for more child support.

this woman has 2 baby daddy's, one died of an overdose and the other is running from warrants and moves every 2 months and used to be a big time drug dealer... but she frowns on marijuana.

it's like they have earplugs on when talking about themselves but any issue with blacks gets a bullhorn, subwoofers and blasted on 100 over the speakers.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

I got white associates who had kids at 16, had dysfunctional families and do ratchet
shit I've never dreamed of. Like, they talk about having a backpack full of ALL different
kinds of drugs and going over to their partner's house for everyone to take part.
Goddamn selective arresting, but I digress...

I do agree tho, hella white folks (and non-black folks out here) like to pretend anti-Blackness
doesn't exist... and that's because if they acknowledge it, then they have a responsibility
to keep acknowledging it... maybe even try to fix it. Folks like to one-up one another
on how bad their lives are.

All I'm ultimately sayin tho, is that they perpetuate a myth that WE are violent and
criminal when it's really the other way around. Yet, we buy that myth, and sell it back
to ourselves (and them). We need not do that. Whether on a social level or in pop culture.
Pop culture is where we're most guilty of it tho... and yes, they use those of us who'll
do anything to get ahead due to the situation that an anti-Black atmosphere has
left us it... but we do have a responsibility to ourselves.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

The sheer volume of negative and ultimately destructive stereotypes/behavior absolutely has to take a toll on our young people.

There's a feedback loop between the street and entertainment that constantly reinforce one another; exhibit A - Chief Keef and Drill music in Chicago.

not even the music
i just hate the lean glorification and him using Yams to do it
this really reinforces that NYC is weak because one of those ASAP kids should slap that fool in the mouth

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the image off his album imposed onto his birthmark on his IG?

https://instagram.com/p/5S5nXfkoIP/


or "Long live ASAP Yams/I’m on that codeine right now" off Slave Master?

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"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

he's paying him respect just like folks say they're sippin screw or on that big moe.

and i could be wrong but wasnt he mixing lean and henny?? thats a whole different monster

into hip hop vernacular...

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i mean no doubt future is depressed but i don't think it applies in this case

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

If you think it doesn't have much, if any, impact on black people, why do we get bothered or upset when white people portray us negatively?


Also people have made the point in this post but it should be teased out. There are two parts to the negative influence:


Negative influence on us and how we behave and think of ourselves.

And negative influence on white people and how they perceive us and think of us.

I think it's hard to argue that it doesn't happen in the second instance.



>I kept hearing y'all talk about Future on this site so I
>checked for it on Spotify (ohh, that's what Kwesi's post was
>about). I just couldn't.
>
>It's kind of annoying that I can't listen to black radio with
>my kids because of the random f-cked up stuff I am bound to
>hear. (This easily could be a "what happened to LOVE songs"
>post).
>
>I've long made the distinction between black culture and black
>entertainment. When people want to criticize black culture
>the first thing they do is cite examples of black
>entertainment as if the two are interchangeable. That's
>bullshit.
>
>But I am wondering if listening and watching stuff like that
>all the time, does it take a toll on us?
>


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

>
>If you think it doesn't have much, if any, impact on black
>people, why do we get bothered or upset when white people
>portray us negatively?

Bc the portrayals aren't balanced.

>Negative influence on us and how we behave and think of
>ourselves.
>
>And negative influence on white people and how they perceive
>us and think of us.
>
>I think it's hard to argue that it doesn't happen in the
>second instance.

Bc ppl are stupid. They should be challenged on that point - they should be taught that we are MUCH more than our entertainment.

And btw - they used to lynch us back when our entertainment was less negative. And they enslaved us back b4 we were entertaining them.

>>I kept hearing y'all talk about Future on this site so I
>>checked for it on Spotify (ohh, that's what Kwesi's post was
>>about). I just couldn't.
>>
>>It's kind of annoying that I can't listen to black radio
>with
>>my kids because of the random f-cked up stuff I am bound to
>>hear. (This easily could be a "what happened to LOVE songs"
>>post).
>>
>>I've long made the distinction between black culture and
>black
>>entertainment. When people want to criticize black culture
>>the first thing they do is cite examples of black
>>entertainment as if the two are interchangeable. That's
>>bullshit.
>>
>>But I am wondering if listening and watching stuff like that
>>all the time, does it take a toll on us?
>>
>
>
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>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>
>"One of the most important things in life is what Judge
>Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to
>whether you're

fuck you.

or not.

You seem to start by saying white folks should be corrected because of the imbalance (but why does the imbalance matter if it doesn't negative affect us?)

But then you say they've been treating us like shit since forever (which suggest that harmful portrayals are irrelevant).


>>
>>If you think it doesn't have much, if any, impact on black
>>people, why do we get bothered or upset when white people
>>portray us negatively?
>
>Bc the portrayals aren't balanced.
>
>>Negative influence on us and how we behave and think of
>>ourselves.
>>
>>And negative influence on white people and how they perceive
>>us and think of us.
>>
>>I think it's hard to argue that it doesn't happen in the
>>second instance.
>
>Bc ppl are stupid. They should be challenged on that point -
>they should be taught that we are MUCH more than our
>entertainment.
>
>And btw - they used to lynch us back when our entertainment
>was less negative. And they enslaved us back b4 we were
>entertaining them.
>
>>>I kept hearing y'all talk about Future on this site so I
>>>checked for it on Spotify (ohh, that's what Kwesi's post
>was
>>>about). I just couldn't.
>>>
>>>It's kind of annoying that I can't listen to black radio
>>with
>>>my kids because of the random f-cked up stuff I am bound to
>>>hear. (This easily could be a "what happened to LOVE
>songs"
>>>post).
>>>
>>>I've long made the distinction between black culture and
>>black
>>>entertainment. When people want to criticize black culture
>>>the first thing they do is cite examples of black
>>>entertainment as if the two are interchangeable. That's
>>>bullshit.
>>>
>>>But I am wondering if listening and watching stuff like
>that
>>>all the time, does it take a toll on us?
>>>
>>
>>
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>>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>>
>>
>>"One of the most important things in life is what Judge
>>Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as
>to
>>whether you're
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

>You seem to start by saying white folks should be corrected
>because of the imbalance (but why does the imbalance matter if
>it doesn't negative affect us?)

We complain that we see too many negative portrayals - I complain bc I want to see a broader range bc I would enjoy seeing that broader range not bc I'm clutching my pearls over the negative portrayals.

>But then you say they've been treating us like shit since
>forever (which suggest that harmful portrayals are
>irrelevant).

Yes. The portrayals are not relevant to white ppl's behavior toward us as they treated us WORSE when our entertainment was less negative.

>>>If you think it doesn't have much, if any, impact on black
>>>people, why do we get bothered or upset when white people
>>>portray us negatively?
>>
>>Bc the portrayals aren't balanced.
>>
>>>Negative influence on us and how we behave and think of
>>>ourselves.
>>>
>>>And negative influence on white people and how they
>perceive
>>>us and think of us.
>>>
>>>I think it's hard to argue that it doesn't happen in the
>>>second instance.
>>
>>Bc ppl are stupid. They should be challenged on that point -
>>they should be taught that we are MUCH more than our
>>entertainment.
>>
>>And btw - they used to lynch us back when our entertainment
>>was less negative. And they enslaved us back b4 we were
>>entertaining them.
>>
>>>>I kept hearing y'all talk about Future on this site so I
>>>>checked for it on Spotify (ohh, that's what Kwesi's post
>>was
>>>>about). I just couldn't.
>>>>
>>>>It's kind of annoying that I can't listen to black radio
>>>with
>>>>my kids because of the random f-cked up stuff I am bound
>to
>>>>hear. (This easily could be a "what happened to LOVE
>>songs"
>>>>post).
>>>>
>>>>I've long made the distinction between black culture and
>>>black
>>>>entertainment. When people want to criticize black
>culture
>>>>the first thing they do is cite examples of black
>>>>entertainment as if the two are interchangeable. That's
>>>>bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>But I am wondering if listening and watching stuff like
>>that
>>>>all the time, does it take a toll on us?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>**********
>>>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>>>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>>>
>>>
>>>"One of the most important things in life is what Judge
>>>Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as
>>to
>>>whether you're
>>
>
>
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>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>
>"One of the most important things in life is what Judge
>Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to
>whether you're

fuck you.

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They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain

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this country.
What is Black culture to a Black teenager who doesn't read, or travel much? Mass media stereotypes and pop culture. Yes there were the 2 Live Crew's and NWA's when I growing up, but there were also tons of acts that encouraged kids to read books pertaining to history and culture. A lot of those books may not have been 100% factual, but Black popular culture gave me some incentive to read books, point blank period. Historical figures were referenced in raps, and I had to know who those people were to really understand what these guys were talking about. That may not mean much for those of us who grew up in a middle class, two parent home. But many of us aren't so fortunate, and didn't have a wealth of positive influences.

while white people are judged by the best among them.

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to this.

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

rap definitely turned for the worse in the late 80's...early 90's

now I know people will say there was always negative in rap and that is correct but BET used to show uplifting rap videos. They used to have more balance and then poof, it was gone.

De La and little brother said BET told them their videos wouldn't connect with their audience.

Shit was planned and it worked.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

...then listen to music that -celebrates- the destruction of black lives is really high.

To be offended by something that an old white man says in a semi-private setting, but -not- be offended at even worse things said about us by our own people. To pretend that the negativity in the culture doesn't matter, but it's the same negativity that's been a blight on our communities.

To me, it's bordering on Uncle Tom-ism. Willing and enthusiastic accomplices to our own destruction. We even make songs about it.

Unfortunately and ironically, anyone that dares to challenge us to do better is immediately ridiculed and called an "Uncle Tom." We're being set up as perpetual victims with no agency and no power, and we can all thumb through a few history books to see how that will work out for us.

i can't seem to wrap my head around that.

it seems like a blatant attack on blacks.

young black men, specifically.

society has given us more opportunity to get ahead, but we were arguably mentally, spiritually and emotionally better off with the black music of the 70s

what I really despise is whites (and other non black/Latinos) celebrating us at our worst

but I think it hurts our people and how we interact with each other

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

but anything young niggas do gotta be put under a microscope


young MEN have always pushed the edge....
why can't our boys just be boys

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Coolin...

however, this is common stuff among minorities - especially disenfranchised minorities.

various immigrant ppls complain about negative portrayals in entertainment. sit down w/a group of Italians and talk about it - you'll hear them bitch about The Godfather and The Sopranos and all of the other mob movies and tv shows where Italians are portrayed as violent criminals wrapped up in organized crime. the Irish bitch about being portrayed as violent, lazy drunks. the Asians worry about being shown as violent thugs all of whom know martial arts. the Latinos worry about being shown as violent drug-dealing thugs w/cartel ties.

we're not alone in this.

fuck you.

Also, saying "white people do it no one scrutinizes them for it" doesn't really answer the underlying question, does it have a negative impact on us.

This really isn't a, are black people downtrodden because of external factors or internal factors post.

I am asking can we listen and watch that shit all day and it not negatively affect how we view ourselves.


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

what your askin


if a fool watches pop culture and makes a negative declaration of a race of people based on...music, tv or whatever....then they are retarded.


Is ery Cuban nigga Scarface?
Is ery middle aged white man from Albuguerque cookin meth?
Is ery young white dude from Seattle a suicidal dope fiend?
Is ery young white dude gyming tanning and laundry....bad example


or do they just live their lives and be entertained by entertainment


or is this one of those "we need to be on our best behavior at all times because the white man lookin at us"

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I mean, is the current ratchet loving portray of black folks in the media disproportionate? Yup. Is it our faults, NOPE.

Like SoWhat pointed above, back when we were all happy shiny people© REM the stereotypes were just as negative unless you think being seen as subservient and dumb is better than being seen as dangerous and reactionary. Considering what you see out there is the result, and not the cause of, of decades of institutional racism its not as if we can just all collectively decide to wear bow ties and suits at the next black people meeting and it will result in less violence/death/depression in our streets.

I LIKE Future and what he represents; at least he’s not glorifying codine in a ‘We get fucked up and PAAARTY!’ type way like Lil Wayne and dem years ago, it’s crystal clear from his lyrics/titles/hooks even that he’s just self medicating himself against his pain and it’s been a common motif for the past few albums. There’s been a L-O-N-G line of dark rock albums about the highs and lows on depression and drug abuse and they don’t get saddled with being responsible for being the sole representation of white boy rockers, lol.

I have a blog post in my head I need to get the time to write about how Future/Vince Staples/ASAP Rocky/Drake(and his co-writers)/ and Kendrick’s current run of dark as fuck albums is a direct correlation to the facade of post-racial america finally crumbling; even if they don’t touch on the socio-political aspects of it the sudden run of morose ass fuck records you can’t just attribute to lean which id argue is becoming less in popularity compared to its high five years ago.

We are in dark days and the music reflects it back at us, particularly now.

It sounds genuine. Like he's really going through some stuff and it is coming out in his music.
It's like Scarface or Zro. You can hear pain in their songs. On the rock side, its like Nine Inch Nails when Reznor was going through some addiction and depression issues.

I never thought I'd see the day where I would be wax poetically about Future lol

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Yes, I know that there are societal ills, beyond our control, thrust upon us. However, when we choose to buy into the myth of the model negro, we advance the idea that we should be scrutinized more than anyone else. It's dehumanizing, because it takes away our latitude to be complex. Furthermore, it romanticizes the past, because songs/art about sex, drugs, murder and the like have always been there. Cliche as it sounds, there is nothing new under the sun.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

is the default only other alternative.

I mean the alternative could be music and television like it was 20, 30 years ago (yes this is a very old man argument).

And we can say it's always been there but I think we've reached ratchet levels unseen in history.

I'm just wondering if we are able to tune it out or if it does something to our soul.

This is a question worth pondering irrespective of white people.


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

b4 black entertainment became too ratchet for your taste. b/c 20 or 30 yrs ago we were in the throes of the crack epidemic, right? that's just a start.

fuck you.

because we have ratchet entertainment, we are now downtrodden. And once we have wholesome entertainment, then black people will be doing great.

Also not even arguing that whether this is the root cause or primary cause for where we are today.

I think we are all grown up enough to know that the current state of black people is the product of many factors, historical and present, combining to create a gumbo of disparity between us and the rest of America in certain regards.

I am wondering once you stipulate all that, does the negativeness negatively affect us in any form or fashion.

Folks have no problem saying the model magazines contribute to girls having eating disorders.

Is it allowable that the negative entertainment has some sort affect on us?



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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

>I am wondering once you stipulate all that, does the
>negativeness negatively affect us in any form or fashion.
>
>Folks have no problem saying the model magazines contribute to
>girls having eating disorders.

that's pretty direct - saturation w/images of thin women in various media has some impact on the prevalence of eating disorders in women and girls.

maybe the conversation will work better if you propose more examples of some specific media something impacting certain behaviors.

previously you suggested that the release of The Chronic resulted in an increase in marijuana consumption among teens. provide more direct examples like that to steer the conversation. b/c right now you're talking in such generality it's hard to know if i agree w/you.

>Is it allowable that the negative entertainment has some sort
>affect on us?

if it does - so what? what's the solution?

fuck you.

b/c Black music has had ratchet elements for a long ass time. It's always been there, because it's a part of being human.

You're free to drown out what doesn't suit you, but let's not act as if this generation invented sex and drugs or even singing about sex and drugs. It's always been there. My point is why do we need to deny our humanity? Why do we need to present a positive image 100% of the time? Who the hell are we trying to impress or fool?

I get asserting a positive image to combat a negative narrative, but at what point do we stop giving a fuck about what white folks think, b/c those who see us negatively did that when we wore tailored clothes and sang christian protest songs. I say, eff that. We're human and we have a right to embrace all aspects of that without being held to an impossibly high standard.

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negatively impacts US w/o regard for how it may impact white ppl or their assumptions about us.

fuck you.

I mean, our community has always been divided between the heathens and the saints. That dynamic hasn't really changed all that much. Pop culture, in general, goes farther, but I'm not prepared to put that solely on the shoulders of black entertainers.

The fact is one's homelife is now and has always been the primary factor for determining how one processes entertainment. It's focusing on a symptom rather than the actual cause.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

and we know what Maggie Jones's meant when she said "Anybody Here Want to Try My Cabbage?".

But let's not act like that's the same as "Fuck a pussy , Fuck a pussy until it’s numb." Not even the worst lyrics I could find just the first thing of the first track of this future Album I was listening too.

I mean I came of age in the 1990s, a period when lyrics were arguably worse (ninja's still bragging about killing hookers?)

But don't act like music has always been like this.


>b/c Black music has had ratchet elements for a long ass time.
>It's always been there, because it's a part of being human.
>
>You're free to drown out what doesn't suit you, but let's not
>act as if this generation invented sex and drugs or even
>singing about sex and drugs. It's always been there. My point
>is why do we need to deny our humanity? Why do we need to
>present a positive image 100% of the time? Who the hell are we
>trying to impress or fool?

Again, y'all act like the alternative is the Model Negro. Not the case.

>I get asserting a positive image to combat a negative
>narrative, but at what point do we stop giving a fuck about
>what white folks think, b/c those who see us negatively did
>that when we wore tailored clothes and sang christian protest
>songs. I say, eff that. We're human and we have a right to
>embrace all aspects of that without being held to an
>impossibly high standard.


Again, this isn't about white folks or being respectable to them. Said it in my last point. Forget them.

Y'all seem to not be able to think about this not in terms of white people.

My question is do black people listening and watching this stuff from black entertainers do anything negative to us and how we view ourselves?

And if not, then why are folks constantly complaining about negative portrayals of black people in the media??!

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>My question is do black people listening and watching this
>stuff from black entertainers do anything negative to us and
>how we view ourselves?

I am not going to say that watching horribly bad stimuli won't bleed into your subconscious but like you know the reason why we balk is because the argument usually makes an immediate left turn into ‘blame the victim’ land.

Would I want my child watching and listening what amounts to ‘The Chronic’ blasted at them in 3d whenever he/she sees a black face. No. But I don’t know if the correlation between that and real life is strong. For instance in most of those images my beef is less about the violence, more about the rampant materialism.

I just don't know if its even remotely fair to blame art for real life consequences.

>And if not, then why are folks constantly complaining about
>negative portrayals of black people in the media??!

Nobody wants to be portrayed as a consistent stereotype, particularly in our case when it gets us killed. i know you don't want to bring up whitey but this part of your argument strictly relates to whitey; WE never had a problem poking fun at ourselves.

Asian's are portrayed as the 'model' minority and even they have a huge problem on how they are portrayed.