Ok all you A'ntoni lovers and efeners out there.

I say this roster is good enough and the back end of the east is weak enough that the knicks are >.500 and make the playoffs.

Only team whose roster is blatantly better than the knicks roster is Miami, Chi, Boston, Milwaukee, Orlando

Maybe Atlanta.

We are def on par or better than the other squads out there.

I need to here some predictions and expectations cause the way i see it, it should be playoffs or bust this year.

And of course thats just assuming we don't get melo.

you're aware they have joe johnson, al horford and josh smith, right?

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Dude.... I'd be happy with 40 wins this year... True story.



"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

Along with the fact D'Antoni is trash, this Knicks team is pretty much brand new and it isn't known how well they will click togther for the duration of the 82 game season. In addition, outside of the Heat and maybe the Bulls with the head coaching change, the majority of the serious Eastern Conf. teams have stable nuclei (sp?) and haven't gone through huge wholesale changes this off-season.

I'd be content and surprised with a 7th or 8th seed, assuming this team doesn't land Carmelo.

**edit**

It should be interesting to see if this season will reveal to so-called genius that is D'Antoni since it appears he tanked the prior two seasons in just having the Knicks chuck up non-sensical threes.

I kind of feel sorry for Amar'e, as much as sorry as I can feel for someone that doesn't deserve a max-deal contract.

>Dude.... I'd be happy with 40 wins this year... True
>story.



up^


>"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit
>back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see
>you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court
>after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

Maybe that's the problem. D'Antoni and his followers think it's spelled "efense" and none of his players know what he's talking about.


>Only team whose roster is blatantly better than the knicks
>roster is Miami, Chi, Boston, Milwaukee, Orlando
>
>Maybe Atlanta.
>

I might add Charlotte to that list, but yeah, they should be a playoff team.

idk bout DJ

we are absolutely NOT a playoff team....lol

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their little playoff run last year but I'm not convinced that their going to be a good team.

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a better team than the knicks.

Right?

seems to be.

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I know he isn't due to be back for a while now and I'm sure he isn't going to be the pure gunner he was, but I figure he would add something to the team on offense.

Unless his injury is that severe to the point he isn't close to being the same player again.

>I know he isn't due to be back for a while now and I'm sure
>he isn't going to be the pure gunner he was, but I figure he
>would add something to the team on offense.
>
>Unless his injury is that severe to the point he isn't close
>to being the same player again.

I don't think he's supposed to play at all this year.

I'm like NOW?!! 2 years IN?
It's a wrap for him IMO if he doesn't make the playoffs...he's out of excuses, with or without Carmelo

I expect them to be ~45 wins. not good enough for 50, but not bad enough to be below .500.

the talent is there to make some noise in the East, even if they never look like contenders, a la that Arenas + Hughes + Jamison Wiz team that made noise for a second a few years ago.

anything less than .500 and a playoff berth, then clearly Nash made him, not the other way around, and he should be fired.

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Mikey has a roster and now you guys are ghost?

I don't know too many other D'Antoni defenders, most posters on here seem to make a sport of shitting on him and Steve Nash, at least that's how it seems to me.

if they disappoint this year, there's no defending him. he needs to win now.

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i was thinking moreso guinny and bomb.

there were plenty of defenders when he first came to ny but they came around for the most part.

>i was thinking moreso guinny and bomb.
>
>there were plenty of defenders when he first came to ny but
>they came around for the most part.

Your shitting on him that first year was because you were mad about Steph, he was actually doing a decent job with that debacle of a roster at the point of the original argument.

I also pointed out the several unfortunate things (Joe Johnson's injury, Amare's suspension, Amare's injury, giving away lottery picks to save a buck) that helped to preclude him from reaching the finals in Phoenix which you said was solely about his coaching style.

I'll still stand by that, better luck or better ownership could have gotten at least one of those three best D'Antoni teams into a final.

With the Knicks the sad truth is it just doesn't matter, that organization is sick at its core from the top down & even people that are generally historically pretty good coaches or GMs end up being abject failures there.

But I understand you can't fire Jimmy Dolan so you lash out elswhere, meanwhile Walsh has been even worse than D'Antoni.

That being said, I would guess the Knicks can make the playoffs as a seven or eight-seed this season or it's time for them to move on from D'Antoni most likely.

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>>>That being said, I would guess the Knicks can make the playoffs as a seven or eight-seed this season or it's time for them to move on from D'Antoni most likely.


then again, for clarification purposes, i wasn't a fan of dantoni when he was in phoenix and i didnt want him in ny. The stuff with steph just made it worse, but i didn't like dude before the whole marbury situation.

>>>>That being said, I would guess the Knicks can make the
>playoffs as a seven or eight-seed this season or it's time for
>them to move on from D'Antoni most likely.
>
so sure, let him show he can at least make the playoffs.

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His only bad moves have been getting Jordan Hill with the #8 pick and the McGrady trade (which is understandable considering that it was all or nothing for LeBron. it's less understandable seeing that Hinrich was traded for a non-lottery pick to the Wizards)

But considering where the roster was two years ago?

-Got Bill Walker for Nate Robinson. Walker's a question mark, but he has potential as a bench player/efficient scorer off the bench.
-Drafted Landry Fields
-Drafted Gallo
-Got three rotation players for David Lee, which is great considering that this was their plan B to getting LeBron
-Only signed Felton for two years (and only signed Duhon for two years initially)
-Signed Mozgov out of nowhere
-Still in position to get Carmelo

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>His only bad moves have been getting Jordan Hill with the #8
>pick
pretty bad bungle here considering he had a Top 10 pick turn into literally nothing within a year.

and the McGrady trade (which is understandable
>considering that it was all or nothing for LeBron. it's less
>understandable seeing that Hinrich was traded for a
>non-lottery pick to the Wizards)
>
>But considering where the roster was two years ago?
>
>-Got Bill Walker for Nate Robinson. Walker's a question mark,
>but he has potential as a bench player/efficient scorer off
>the bench.
>-Drafted Landry Fields
neither of these two things can be put in the 'win' column right now, I'd venture to guess neither will really be big moves either way.

>-Drafted Gallo
eh, he's pretty good but you could certainly make the argument that there's better talent drafted after him (Gordon & Lopez specifically) so far.

>-Got three rotation players for David Lee, which is great
>considering that this was their plan B to getting LeBron
>-Only signed Felton for two years (and only signed Duhon for
>two years initially)
Both of those guys suck.

>-Signed Mozgov out of nowhere
which we don't know much on yet plus ate the rest of their cap space.

>-Still in position to get Carmelo
I'll still believe that when I see it because I don't see how they have anything Denver would want but obviously that would shape things in a different light.

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He went all in for Lebron. He rolled the dice and did everything he could to get him. What other options did they have? Stick with Crawford and Zack Randolph and see how it worked out?

>>His only bad moves have been getting Jordan Hill with the
>#8
>>pick
>pretty bad bungle here considering he had a Top 10 pick turn
>into literally nothing within a year.

Lottery picks past the first few are pretty hit-or-miss these days. Walsh traded Hill because doing so would give them a closer shot at getting Lebron. What would you have done if you were the Knicks GM?

>>-Got Bill Walker for Nate Robinson. Walker's a question
>mark,
>>but he has potential as a bench player/efficient scorer off
>>the bench.
>>-Drafted Landry Fields
>neither of these two things can be put in the 'win' column
>right now, I'd venture to guess neither will really be big
>moves either way.

I think they both have the potential to be contributing rotation players. These weren't huge acquisitions - I'm surprised they got anything of value for Nate and cracking the rotation for a second round pick has to be considered an accomplishment.

>>-Drafted Gallo
>eh, he's pretty good but you could certainly make the argument
>that there's better talent drafted after him (Gordon & Lopez
>specifically) so far.

In hindsight, sure. This move made a lot of sense at the time though. I'm not the biggest fan of Gallo, but he'll be the X factor in how far this team goes.

>>-Got three rotation players for David Lee, which is great
>>considering that this was their plan B to getting LeBron
>>-Only signed Felton for two years (and only signed Duhon for
>>two years initially)
>Both of those guys suck.

Randolph was a steal. Azubuike, if healthy, could be the starting 2. Turiaf can be an energy bench player and a leader for the younger guys.

Not a fan of Duhon or Felton, but at least he gave them brief contracts. Felton could be a big trade asset next year.

>>-Signed Mozgov out of nowhere
which we don't know much on yet plus ate the rest of their cap
>space.

At 3 mil a year?

>>-Still in position to get Carmelo
I'll still believe that when I see it because I don't see how
>they have anything Denver would want but obviously that would
>shape things in a different light.

Melo has all the leverage and all signs point to him wanting to play for the Knicks. Teams can offer all the packages they want, but nobody will trade for him unless they know he's extending with them. The Knicks will get him in either February or June.

Given his situation, I'm not sure what Walsh could have done differently? He wiped the slate clean - the longest tenured player is Wilson Chandler. They'll have a lot of cap flexibility next year, too. And he's made a lot of sneaky moves. Obviously not all of them will work out, but he has the Knicks being a playoff contender with a plethora of young talent, on the cusp of acquiring another superstar. Not sure how the Walsh era hasn't been a 100% success.

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>He went all in for Lebron. He rolled the dice and did
>everything he could to get him. What other options did they
>have? Stick with Crawford and Zack Randolph and see how it
>worked out?
>
>>>His only bad moves have been getting Jordan Hill with the
>>#8
>>>pick
>>pretty bad bungle here considering he had a Top 10 pick turn
>>into literally nothing within a year.
>
>Lottery picks past the first few are pretty hit-or-miss these
>days. Walsh traded Hill because doing so would give them a
>closer shot at getting Lebron. What would you have done if
>you were the Knicks GM?
>
Probably realized I had no shot at Lebron coming to my wack team.

>>>-Got Bill Walker for Nate Robinson. Walker's a question
>>mark,
>>>but he has potential as a bench player/efficient scorer off
>>>the bench.
>>>-Drafted Landry Fields
>>neither of these two things can be put in the 'win' column
>>right now, I'd venture to guess neither will really be big
>>moves either way.
>
>I think they both have the potential to be contributing
>rotation players. These weren't huge acquisitions - I'm
>surprised they got anything of value for Nate and cracking the
>rotation for a second round pick has to be considered an
>accomplishment.
>
Bill Walker being anything of value is highly debateable and as a Sixer fan let me tell you second-round picks cracking the rotation can be done but still not help you win much (in three recent cases Kyle Korver, Willie Green, Lou Will).

>>>-Drafted Gallo
>>eh, he's pretty good but you could certainly make the
>argument
>>that there's better talent drafted after him (Gordon & Lopez
>>specifically) so far.
>
>In hindsight, sure. This move made a lot of sense at the time
>though. I'm not the biggest fan of Gallo, but he'll be the X
>factor in how far this team goes.
>
>>>-Got three rotation players for David Lee, which is great
>>>considering that this was their plan B to getting LeBron
>>>-Only signed Felton for two years (and only signed Duhon
>for
>>>two years initially)
>>Both of those guys suck.
>
>Randolph was a steal. Azubuike, if healthy, could be the
>starting 2. Turiaf can be an energy bench player and a leader
>for the younger guys.
>
>Not a fan of Duhon or Felton,
those were the two I was referencing sucking.

but at least he gave them brief
>contracts. Felton could be a big trade asset next year.
>
>>>-Signed Mozgov out of nowhere
>which we don't know much on yet plus ate the rest of their
>cap
>>space.
>
>At 3 mil a year?
>
I thought it was 9/10 over three but whatever, we don't know what they have there so citing it as a plus or minus is premature.

>>>-Still in position to get Carmelo
>I'll still believe that when I see it because I don't see how
>>they have anything Denver would want but obviously that
>would
>>shape things in a different light.
>
>Melo has all the leverage and all signs point to him wanting
>to play for the Knicks. Teams can offer all the packages they
>want, but nobody will trade for him unless they know he's
>extending with them. The Knicks will get him in either
>February or June.
>
we shall see, by February it can be quite apparent the Knicks are still horrible thus scaring off Carmelo.

>Given his situation, I'm not sure what Walsh could have done
>differently? He wiped the slate clean - the longest tenured
>player is Wilson Chandler. They'll have a lot of cap
>flexibility next year, too. And he's made a lot of sneaky
>moves. Obviously not all of them will work out, but he has
>the Knicks being a playoff contender with a plethora of young
>talent, on the cusp of acquiring another superstar. Not sure
>how the Walsh era hasn't been a 100% success.
>
I'm missing the plethora of young talent I suppose but they won 29 games last year, I'd say the jury is most definitely still out & so far the 'dump for a marquee' free agent strategy has yielded them Amerie and not much else.

I can understand wanting to be optimistic as a fan though so do you, I'm stuck with the Sixers who I know are going to be shitty for the indefinite future.

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no joke.

because he took scrap heap or undiscovered players and resurrected their careers by taking a pretty much 180 degree opposite approach to conventional NBA wisdom -- he told them to shoot shoot shoot, don't even foul on easy layups in order to keep the tempo up, and just run opposing teams built on slow down offenses and overcoached defenses out of the gym. it resulted in exciting basketball on a luxury tax free pay roll, 50+ win seasons and postseason runs, and what was proven that only the ELITE of the ELITE ball control teams could deal with the change of pace thrown at them by Phoenix, and even then, he ALMOST made the Finals.

then you get a Knickerbockers fan (I'm talking about you here) bitching and moaning cuz he doesn't play "championship brand" basketball, when your franchise hasn't even sniffed the post season for nearly a decade. who gives a fuck if D'Antoni can get you past the Conference Finals? you need to be wondering who can get you on the right side of .500!!

and I *thought* D'Antoni was the perfect coach for that, because like I said, he's a player friendly coach that saves scrap heap players by using an unconventional system, and I *thought* he would always win more games than he loses. unfortunately, the situation in New York has been beyond nightmarish, and I find it pretty difficult to blame anyone besides the top level management for the putrid, putrid product that appears regularly at MSG. that's right, I don't even blame Larry Hughes for this one.

this season, things are different. either he'll show that he has a winning system, or he'll show that his system is dependent on Steve Nash. either way, Nash haters have to eat a dick or D'Antoni haters look bad, which actually makes me kinda excited about the Knicks this year. isn't that a weird feeling??

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don't even foul on easy layups in order to keep the tempo up

what should strike you as retarded is that you're locked into a Chuck Daly / '90s Pat Riley mentality, my friend.

you don't remember those PHX Suns inbounding quickly, going directly down the court, and TORCHING teams by playing a high tempo for 48 minutes? and it's based on advanced analysis which shows that shots taken early in the shot clock are converted at a higher % because overcoached defenses aren't set when you shoot early, which is why pushing tempo is a desirable thing. add in that it kept his stars out of foul trouble (do you ever remember a player like Amare or Marion on the bench with foul trouble late in games? me neither) and he can keep his best five players on the floor, pushing the tempo and converting shots longer.

and he went to the Conference Finals. he was rarely, if ever, eliminated in the first round. he earned the #1 seed when he originally unleashed his blitz on the NBA.

and compare that to a coach like Nate in Portland who does basically everything you say D'Antoni doesn't -- he MURDERS tempo, preaches defense first, micro manages offensive possessions, and has yet to leave the first round in his career. Nate wouldn't have been able to take Nash + Amare + Marion + JJ to a #1 seed and a Conference Finals berth, I can guarantee that.

free your mind, my friend. the problem with your organization is NOT Mike D'Antoni.

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Make it out the conference.

What type of team does this guy want or need to win with?


Aren't you the same guy that thinks spolestra is gonna tell his guys not to play defense too? Lol

who the fuck are you running around like D'Antoni is a fucking failure cuz he won more games in three years in PHX than your organization practically did for the whole damn decade?

throwing stones at a team cuz it can't win the insanely loaded Western Conference whereas your team can't even make the playoffs when sub-.500 teams are qualifying out East.

gimme a break

and I threw Nate out there, since he seems to have all the qualities of your dream hire, but let me tell you -- I'd much rather support an uptempo PHX type team getting bounced in the 2nd round than I would watch THE SLOWEST PACED and MOST DEPRESSING offense in the NBA get clowned and shitted on after another 1st round exit because the players aren't allowed any offensive freedom.

you're delusional.

D'Antoni has lost in NYK because they've had a loser mentality for two years from the top down while they bend down on their knee and pathetically extend their hand toward any and all free agents that would come to NY. now they have enough talent for D'Antoni to win, and he'll make the playoffs for the first time in over a decade now, isn't it? and you'll stay throwing stones while the reality is your team has been destined for dogshit since the day Dolan took over.

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D'antoni style ain't winning a thing.

Keep writing essays to defend him tho

again, either Nash carried D'Antoni cuz Nash is just that good, or D'Antoni is a smart coach with a clever system. either way, I'm good with it. sorry your misplaced hate has blinded you to such a degree.

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the knicks are my team so of course i want them in the playoffs, if they don't make it well hopefully the coach'll get fired but did i ever say i wanted them to miss the playoffs??

Kinda like when you have a bad team muddling around 40 wins, sure you'd like to see them in the playoffs but you also know if they tank they are lottery bound. Only difference is if the knicks don't make it there's no guarantee that d'antoni gets the axe.

d'antoni and nash were blessed with having each other. Nash needed a coach like d'antoni and d'antoni needed a pg like nash. Both had a pf in amare that they both needed for their system to work and a surrouding cast that was perfect for both nash and d'antoni. They went as far as that style could possibly take them.

All that run and gun stuff is fine when you are in the reg. season and playing different teams nightly, but when it gets to a 7 game series, a well coached defensive minded team will shut that down, which we've seen happen to pho year after year after year.

>All that run and gun stuff is fine when you are in the reg.
>season and playing different teams nightly, but when it gets
>to a 7 game series, a well coached defensive minded team will
>shut that down, which we've seen happen to pho year after year
>after year.

WHEN it gets to a 7 game series, you might have something to complain about.

MIGHT.

but stop jumping the gun and ragging on a coach with a winning resume, something your team hasn't had in over a decade.

so there you go, I'm on board the D'Antoni bandwagon.

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I guess the knicks should have thrown max money at ray allen or rudy gay so they can make the playoffs and worry about winning playoff series later.

that place is a basketball mecca only in the minds of self centered New Yorkers.

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I think short term we need the playoffs this year...but it will hurt us long term because that will mean he gets at least another year. I can't see any long term success with D'Antoni as coach- no defense (which is a Knick staple), terrible with players he doesn't 'like', and seemingly too stubborn to adjust to the reality that his system doesn't produce championship caliber basketball.

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he's a brilliant coach and he finally has some talent. it might take a little while to get everyone on the same page, but the knicks should be a playoff team.

>he's a brilliant coach