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Frank Longo
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2. "I'm not sure the film is arguing this."
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>there's a great moment where former trainers acknowledge their
>naiveté, realizing any bonds they had with the orcas were
>superficial. a highly intelligent animal, performing dumb
>parlor tricks for snacks? that was out of boredom and hunger
>in captivity, and only arrogance would make one assume
>otherwise.

The film certainly seems to be arguing that if humans hadn't psychologically damaged those orcas and subsequently used a psychotic's sperm for breeding, those trainers would be alive.

It makes two arguments and conflates them: 1. These aquatic park owners subject these animals to cruel behavior. 2. These tortured animals in close proximity with humans was inevitably going to result in death. Both 1 and 2 are obviously true, but I tend to side more with you that mixing huge smart animals we can't control with humans is an accident waiting to happen, regardless of how the animals were treated in captivity.

Our arrogance and presumption of "control" is still pretty fully on display with some of the thin logic strands presented. "Orcas have never killed people in the wild." Okay, well, how often do orcas and humans interact in the water in the wild? And since orcas have only killed three people in the last two/three decades in captivity with daily exposure to one another, how can one immediately assume that wouldn't happen in the open ocean with equal exposure?

I agree that the film presents a portrait of human arrogance and naivete regarding our presumption of control and our "understanding" of what they think/feel/etc. However, I think the filmmakers are trying to sculpt a very pointed narrative, focusing most of their attention on SeaWorld's treatment of the animals and their subsequent lies regarding orca behavior, as if they are exclusively at fault. The former trainers interviewed are given far more screen time to diss SeaWorld than they are to acknowledge the simple fact that big smart animals and humans shouldn't mix. Many of them wax nostalgic about their relationships and trust they had in their respective orca partner, without following it up with "of course, this relationship is exclusively in my head, as who the fuck knows what a whale's motivations are."

Still a pretty compelling doc, even if I found its main argument dicey. Plus, some of the wilderness footage and the archival footage is pretty breathtaking.

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Blackfish (Cowperthwaite, 2013) [View all] , will_5198, Mon Aug-12-13 01:01 PM
 
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This arrives near me next week. Can't wait.
Aug 12th 2013
1
it's a specific narrative
Sep 17th 2013
3
I don't think they're ignorant to the flawed nature of captivity...
Sep 17th 2013
4
      when is a humanistic method of captivity suggested though?
Sep 17th 2013
5
           I don't think it's suggested, I merely think it's left open.
Sep 17th 2013
7
                that's one interpretation, sure
Sep 17th 2013
8
                     But here's my question:
Sep 17th 2013
9
                          I think they touched on that too
Sep 17th 2013
10
                               Ah, right. I forgot that moment.
Sep 17th 2013
11
RE: I'm not sure the film is arguing this.
Dec 29th 2013
15
well at one point
Dec 30th 2013
17
wow this was facinating and disturbing...
Sep 17th 2013
6
On CNN tonight
Oct 24th 2013
12
RE: Blackfish (Cowperthwaite, 2013)
Dec 28th 2013
13
Loved it. The intelligence of the orcas blew me away.
Dec 29th 2013
14
the part about them having more evolved emotional brains than us
Dec 31st 2013
18
I sawneded this...dis good
Dec 29th 2013
16
pretty damning indictment of capitalism
Dec 31st 2013
19

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