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2472827, give me... 5 artists with a 10 album run like the roots since 1995.
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Dec-14-10 05:17 PM
from DYWM-Wake Up, Come Alive included.

i've got jay z.... and that's it, and he has some spotty material in that run. the roots spotty material is pretty limited in comparison.

i can't think of a single artist or group outside of jay in any genre since they dropped DYWM with 10 albums of not only quality material, but 10 albums that are all night and day from each other. they've outlived virtually everyone who was around when they started and many artists have been born and died since then. eras and trends have come and gone yet the roots remain, strong and visible as ever.

now, the wu obviously compare when you compile the solo records.... but certainly not as a singular unit.

i really can't think of a rock group that approaches this run. rnb... maybe kells, but then i don't like 80% of his output.

i'm not saying there aren't artists and groups out there.... but i am saying the roots have had an amazing run that i think is vastly unappreciated. i'm just wondering if there is a comparable run since they arrived on the scene, but either way..... this list is pretty short.
2472837, R.Kelly Turkey Post over
Posted by , Tue Dec-14-10 05:36 PM
nobody is seeing Kang Arruh's run since 95.

after him

Joe

snoop Dogg

Mary J Bliege

Usher

Eminem
2472846, *SIGH* you are such a troll.
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Dec-14-10 05:50 PM
>nobody is seeing Kang Arruh's run since 95.

i already mentioned him, idiot. i don't see where this post was a competition, so save the "post over" nonsense-and save the turkey for your mother, wierdo.

>after him

>Joe

this is retarded. seriously.

>snoop Dogg

this is viable.

>Mary J Bliege

7 albums with some ups and downs. mostly up, though. but i'm sayin... the roots got ten excellent albums.
>Usher

6 albums, not ten. the output itself isn't even comparable. besides, the first was forgettable, the second and third were exellent, 4th had some serious moments, and he's been pretty weak since then.

>Eminem

you could stretch out a case for 4 quality albums at best. the output and quality isn't even close. 10 good to great albums>>> 4 good to great albums.
2472870, your counter arguments are weak
Posted by , Tue Dec-14-10 06:12 PM
Joe got the goods

i could have said Nas and you would hate.

the roots ain't made a better album to the average oe and Mary than "things Fall Apart" 98 turkey.

i could say DJ Quik and you will hate.

don't ask for examples and then turn around and get your hateraid on.

some folks might say Destiny Childs/Beyonce solo albums for Beyonce's career. depends on who you ask.

whatever turkey.
2472873, not really.
Posted by shockzilla, Tue Dec-14-10 06:14 PM
none of the artists you've named have a fucking thing on the roots.

your taste in music sucks.
2472887, You have a point, but
Posted by Stadiq, Tue Dec-14-10 06:35 PM
You just come off on some serious agenda posting.

I mean, yeah the Thread Starter did ask for artists- true.

But he even mentioned Kelley because he, like everyone else on here, KNEW you were coming in blazing with the same old example.

And then saying "post over" or whatever...cmon.

And the "turkey" thing is old man. I'm not even trying to diss, I'm not sure if people in your everyday life find it funny...but its just getting old.

I actually think you have a lot of good posts/responses to people...its just watered down with gimmicks and stuff.

The substance is being lost in your delivery. Its like white noise.



2472898, i asked for artists with 10 quality albums since 95.
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Dec-14-10 06:56 PM
>I mean, yeah the Thread Starter did ask for artists- true.

and he actually didn't post a single one.
2472961, Stadiq mind your business tiurkey
Posted by , Tue Dec-14-10 08:13 PM
i don't need no 5o cent piece from a turkey who don't even know me. you just a OKP Mob slurper who is brain dead and gets pimped by these relic turkeys.

you ain't got but a handful of posts anyway who is you turkey?
2473049, since when does post count make you better? dumbass
Posted by justin_scott, Tue Dec-14-10 11:17 PM
your stupidity is hilarious though.
2473100, you are a wack Old Charter and the other one is a wack Newbie
Posted by , Wed Dec-15-10 12:57 AM
both ya'll is corny and boring and can't hang at all.

all you turkeys is ride backseat and pay no cab fare.
2472897, look, dummy, i said ten albums since 95. TEN. since 95.
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Dec-14-10 06:55 PM
and the only guy on that list is snoop, with 9, which i'll accept... but it isn't ten.

>Joe got the goods

lol that's retarded in general, and he doesn't have 10 albums since 95.

>i could have said Nas and you would hate.

lol what an awful example. he's been extremely hit and miss since 96. two certifiably great albums and everything else is spotty. gods son has great moments though.

>the roots ain't made a better album to the average oe and Mary
>than "things Fall Apart" 98 turkey.


>i could say DJ Quik and you will hate.

no, i just hate you and your antics. and quik only has 5 albums since 95. i'm looking at 10, but 8 will pass.

>don't ask for examples and then turn around and get your
>hateraid on.
>
>some folks might say Destiny Childs/Beyonce solo albums for
>Beyonce's career. depends on who you ask.

yonce has three solo albums. next.

>whatever turkey.

shut up and leave okp forever.
2472957, no nothing jive turkey R.Kelly>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Roots
Posted by , Tue Dec-14-10 08:10 PM
name there one song seeing him?

name there one album hanging with his classics?

name there one live performance seeing his?

no nothing sloppy joe nothing turkeys who don't know nothing about no music.

you relics are constipated and gots no taste. you can't name 10 artists seeing R.Kelly let alone seeing his 10 albums since 95.
2473052, first: that's apples and beehives.
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Dec-14-10 11:26 PM
>name there one song seeing him?

lol they have a shitload of classics. but the two aren't even remotely similar, so like i said....apples and beehives.

>name there one album hanging with his classics?

lol... and what are his classics? the legendary came out the gates 4-4, classic material all. ut whatever; these two artists are way too disimilar to compare. just go away from okayplayer and never return.

>name there one live performance seeing his?

LOL holy shit you did not just say that. they have a two disc album that's amazing, not to mention the awesome unplugged they did for jay z. aside from that, go away. leave and never come back.

>no nothing sloppy joe nothing turkeys who don't know nothing
>about no music.

dawg you have a 1 track mind and hate anything that isn't rnb/soul, so shut the fuck up and stop posting on okayplayer. but i digress; this site would be a much better place without you.

>you relics are constipated and gots no taste. you can't name
>10 artists seeing R.Kelly let alone seeing his 10 albums since
>95.

lol, i can name a grip of artists considerably greater then kells off the top: marvin, al green, stevie, MIKE, prince, whitney, mariah, aretha, curtis, barry, cooke, smokie. kells is not cracking that. but hey, that's just me. now do okayplayer a favor and log your cock gobbling, ass fisting, shit surfing, semen slurping, cockeyed bitch ass off the site and never log back in. do us all a favor and disappear. make yourself scarce. kick rocks. scedaddle. chuck the deuces. do us all a huge favor and LEAVE FOR GOOD.
2473098, like i said you are a no nothing jiffy lube turkey
Posted by , Wed Dec-15-10 12:55 AM
you said since 95 not in the span of history fool.

of course Stevie Wonder 72-80 is tops there and then Miles Davis 59-72 if you will

Marvin gaye 71-79

but on a whole turkey not many artists are truly album artist and in Hip Hop

Ice Cube for a minute

Public Enemy for a minute

LL Cool J for a minute

Outkast for a minute

2Pac for a minute

and that is truly about that.

when you learn some Music then get back to me because your list was comical.

Whitney Houston ain't got more than 2 important albums despite her being a mount Rushmore Female Artist same with mariah carey.

i'd give Prince about 3-4 at most,though his hit songs far outweigh his albums.i mean 80-82 was his holy trinity just as 78-82 was Rick James prime and peak on the real.

when you learn something then you will feel better.

the Roots are a far better Live Band than studio act and it shows.

they always do there best backing somebody up like when they had Arruh on Fallon they sounded good backing him. however left to there own devices it is still a wide right or wide left field goal.

playing and connecting the dots are wide as night and day and sometimess you just can't see the light.

sorry turkey you are blind,blind.
2473108, scram. beat it. GIT. shoo. go on now.
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Dec-15-10 01:12 AM
2473129, you got no music game turkey
Posted by , Wed Dec-15-10 02:34 AM
i mean i was just going by 1995 til now, if i could use john coltrane albums you lose badly, isley brothers,steely dan,whatever cold turkey
2473132, the entire POINT was from 95 on, jackass.
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Dec-15-10 02:39 AM
>i mean i was just going by 1995 til now, if i could use john
>coltrane albums you lose badly, isley brothers,steely
>dan,whatever cold turkey

yadda yadda yadda shut the fuck up and make yourself scarce.
2473048, what a joke of a list
Posted by justin_scott, Tue Dec-14-10 11:15 PM
joe??? hahahahahahahahaha
2474062, what's wrong w/ joe?
Posted by ChuckFoPrez, Thu Dec-16-10 01:17 PM
he puts out consistent conventional r&b
2474135, ain't but a handful of us dig Joe here
Posted by , Thu Dec-16-10 02:22 PM
and for whatever reason there is Joe hate in here.
2474142, i like joe. you go overboard like he's marvin or mike status though.
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Dec-16-10 02:25 PM
he's solid, not spectacular. you interject every conversation with him and arruh.
2472851, Beasties, De La (if you count clear lake)
Posted by spew120, Tue Dec-14-10 05:55 PM
2472855, i don't think the beasties are close to ten albums.
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Dec-14-10 05:58 PM
i recall four, but that doesn't mean i haven't missed a couple.
2473090, theres 7/8
Posted by thesickboi, Wed Dec-15-10 12:36 AM
not 10 but all good.
2474133, everything they've done since helo nasty has been doodoo...
Posted by My_SP1200_Broken_Again, Thu Dec-16-10 02:21 PM
...and helly nasty is a bit overrated as far as im concerned
2507719, Completely agree
Posted by zuma1986, Fri Feb-18-11 07:48 PM
They lost it on HN (Kinda uneven album but still had great highs), everything after has lost whatever magic they had. Maybe it was b/c they aren't as close, they're older or just got too serious but it ain't the same.
2473362, The first Beasties album after 1995 was Hello Nasty.
Posted by BSharp, Wed Dec-15-10 12:41 PM
And that album was the stinkiest turd of an album that I ever anticipated.

Up to that point, they had a hall-of-fame discography, IMO.
2476365, I'm a bit taken aback by the hate HN is getting in here
Posted by Adwhizz, Tue Dec-21-10 08:41 AM
nm
2472857, soooo... i wanna see someone with ten albums. not 7, 6, 5....
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Dec-14-10 05:59 PM
8,9, i'll accept.... but nothing less
2472864, and that's why they're the greatest.
Posted by shockzilla, Tue Dec-14-10 06:05 PM
2472868, off the top....
Posted by KennyFresh, Tue Dec-14-10 06:07 PM
Parliament/Funkadelic
Prince
Stereolab
Beatles
The Rolling Stones
Miles Davis
The Kinks
Madlib
Jack White (White Stripes/Raconteurs/Dead Weather)
Pink Floyd
David Bowie
Herbie Hancock
Bob Dylan
Tom Waits
The Neptunes (including fully produced albums like Clipse, Kelis)

but its still a rare accomplishment all the same,
especially in rap.


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2472871, since 95? i'm really just looking since 95.
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Dec-14-10 06:13 PM
Parliament/Funkadelic
Prince
Stereolab
Beatles
The Rolling Stones
Miles Davis
The Kinks
Madlib
Jack White (White Stripes/Raconteurs/Dead Weather)
Pink Floyd
David Bowie
Herbie Hancock

prince has had a grip since then.... but i don't think any of the rest save for jack and madlib have had 10 albums since 95 without including compilations.

2472892, my bad, thought u meant "The Roots' output since '95"
Posted by KennyFresh, Tue Dec-14-10 06:43 PM
why limit the conversation to just the last 15 years tho?

in that case...
Prefuse 73 & his infinite aliases
Omar Rodriguez-Lopez/The Mars Volta & his other side projects
The Brian Jonestown Massacre

& i'm sure theres still other examples

i also added The Neptunes after the edit




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2472903, this way it's an even playing field- whose done what in the same time
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Dec-14-10 07:02 PM
>why limit the conversation to just the last 15 years tho?

because i'm looking at comparable runs in the same time frame. that way you can easily account for the same eras, trends, economics, etc.... and see who has done what in the same climate. what they've done in this time frame is incredible IMO, especially when you look at all the acts that have come and gone, and/or had serious slumps in that time frace.

>in that case...
>Prefuse 73 & his infinite aliases
>Omar Rodriguez-Lopez/The Mars Volta & his other side projects
>The Brian Jonestown Massacre
>
>& i'm sure theres still other examples
>
>i also added The Neptunes after the edit

my only beef is..... none of these are as one continuous unit. neptunes are a production duo, and that sort of clouds things.

heck you can take questlove and add up everything he's been heavily involved with in that time frame and those projects would rival teh roots... so it kinda skews things a little and alters the playing field.
2472872, RE: off the top....
Posted by shockzilla, Tue Dec-14-10 06:13 PM
>Parliament/Funkadelic

yes. hell, yes.


>Prince

ten albums?

nope.


>Stereolab

no/

>Beatles

ten?

>The Rolling Stones

ten?

>Miles Davis

most definitely

>The Kinks

ten albums?

>Madlib
>Jack White (White Stripes/Raconteurs/Dead Weather)

nope. i love jack white but the raconteurs and dead weather albums are okay, at best.



2472884, RE: off the top....
Posted by KennyFresh, Tue Dec-14-10 06:29 PM
>>Parliament/Funkadelic
>
>yes. hell, yes.
>
>
>>Prince
>
>ten albums?
>
>nope.
>
>
>>Stereolab
>
>no/

yes.

>>Beatles
>
>ten?

easily.
Meet The Beatles thru Let It Be is like 11 or 12 (hard to count due to all the US/UK issues)

>>The Rolling Stones
>
>ten?

again - easily. England's Newest Hit Makers thru Exile On Main Street = 13

>>Miles Davis
>
>most definitely
>
>>The Kinks
>
>ten albums?

yup. s/t thru Percy - all solid

>>Madlib
>>Jack White (White Stripes/Raconteurs/Dead Weather)
>
>nope. i love jack white but the raconteurs and dead weather
>albums are okay, at best.

thats your personal opinion,
but all of his albums have been pretty consistently well-received
even moreso than The Roots'



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2472891, well, let's go to metacritic
Posted by shockzilla, Tue Dec-14-10 06:40 PM
the dead weather

2010 sea of cowards - 70
2009 horehound - 75

the raconteurs

2008 consolers of the lonely - 75
2006 broken boy soldiers - 75

while over the same time period

the roots

2010 how i got over - 85
2008 rising down - 80
2006 game theory - 83


2472907, since 95 though? i'm talking about, since the roots arrived.
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Dec-14-10 07:06 PM
because it's really a different comparison otherwise.

and while i included come alive, i'm not really counting artists that have nothing but live albums in that span. it's just not the same field IMO and it becomes apples and oranges.
2473993, when 'CISM, bad taste, and misperception collide:
Posted by howisya, Thu Dec-16-10 11:24 AM
>thats your personal opinion,
>but all of his albums have been pretty consistently
>well-received
>even moreso than The Roots'
2472877, Stereolab is a actually pretty good comparison for consistency
Posted by stylez dainty, Tue Dec-14-10 06:17 PM
Probably even for sales, fanbase loyalty, critical adulation, touring revenues, etc.

I know there are other consistent workman like indie rock bands out there. Maybe Belle & Sebastian?

On the low, Moka Only probably has 10 dope albums at least, but obviously they're more low-fi dashed off affairs than a Roots Album and not a good comparison.

Anyway, the Roots have had an incredible career of remarkable consistency and growth, and although I don't love every new direction they go in, I respect all their albums.

2472879, stereolab's output is a lot spottier.
Posted by shockzilla, Tue Dec-14-10 06:20 PM
their new album is shite.
2472888, The hard thing about this:
Posted by stylez dainty, Tue Dec-14-10 06:36 PM
Seems like there are two types of Roots fans. Those that would give them a Solid B average and those that would give them a Solid A average.

I'm in the Solid B average group, so that's the type of rock band I compare them to. Obviously, there aren't many if any Solid A groups since 95 (EDIT in the 10 album neighborhood) to compare them against.
2472904, a 'B' average over the course of ten albums in 15 years is amazing.
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Dec-14-10 07:03 PM
>Seems like there are two types of Roots fans. Those that
>would give them a Solid B average and those that would give
>them a Solid A average.
>
>I'm in the Solid B average group, so that's the type of rock
>band I compare them to. Obviously, there aren't many if any
>Solid A groups since 95 (EDIT in the 10 album neighborhood) to
>compare them against.
2472931, I agree.
Posted by stylez dainty, Tue Dec-14-10 07:31 PM
2472889, I've been hard on HIGO, but you are 100% on point
Posted by Stadiq, Tue Dec-14-10 06:38 PM
I wonder why more artists don't reach out to them for collabo albums??

I think De La would be there if they had more output...

Incredible consistency- while *rarely* sounding repetitive...

2472909, This here. Even GT->RD->HIGO don't sound similar.
Posted by ActWon, Tue Dec-14-10 07:11 PM
(they just marked a new era of the beats getting REALLY lush outside of the "neo-soul" trappings)

>Incredible consistency- while *rarely* sounding repetitive...
>
>
2472919, listen to these three: dywm->phren->higo
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Dec-14-10 07:17 PM
massive leap from the beginning, middle, and end of their current discography. it's not even the same group to be honest.

listening to the whole catalogue from beginning to end is a tremendous experience, and an adventure.
2472924, Jay-Z doesn't have 10 quality albums....
Posted by Crash85, Tue Dec-14-10 07:27 PM
just wanted to clear that up....





But probably no one... Many artists don't last that long... 10 albums is a lot in 15 years... Especially if you include touring and promotion for each one...

This would be a better post if you took off the time barrier...
2472937, the time barrier keeps things in perspective, and serves my purpose.
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Dec-14-10 07:36 PM
i'm comparing them to everyone else in their era
because i still feel like they are criminally under rated and under appreciated.

and when you stack them up to everything their "peers" have done in that time frame, they stand out like a sore thumb. so rather then make a "roots are under rated" thread, i figured i'd get people to look at their accomplisments relative to those within thier era to make that point.
2472944, Well, I guess I see what you're saying...
Posted by Crash85, Tue Dec-14-10 07:46 PM
I'm a big Roots fan so I don't see them as underrated... HIGO is still getting played...

But think about this...

Compare the Roots 10 albums to other artists who have 10 QUALITY albums and that would really show their greatness...

The reason the past 15 years time frame doesn't impress me is because I believe music has taken a nose dive in recent years... Artists don't seem to have longevity anymore... While I think Jay doesn't have 10 quality albums, he is showing longevity...

10 quality albums is really amazing... Even when I say longevity, I really just mean 6-8 quality releases... A classic or 2 thrown in there...
2473046, i count 7 albums that are 8 at minimum for jay
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Dec-14-10 11:13 PM

so i'll back peddle on that
but even his weaker albums have some great material on them, minus KC

>I'm a big Roots fan so I don't see them as underrated... HIGO
>is still getting played...

well... in terms of hip hop masses.... they are slept on imo
they are rarely the group that comes up in these conversations

tribe, the wu, de la, kast, epmd, run dmc..... these are the names that come up

>But think about this...
>
>Compare the Roots 10 albums to other artists who have 10
>QUALITY albums and that would really show their greatness...

yeah for sure that's another post

2472951, Shit....umm, Bjork
Posted by no_i_cant_dance, Tue Dec-14-10 07:58 PM
RZA's production for Wu-Tang
De La Soul
Mary J Blige
Meshell Ndegeocello
2473369, RZA did not have 10 quality albums worth of production.
Posted by BSharp, Wed Dec-15-10 12:46 PM
Because after the initial dynasty--which was as good as it gets or could ever be--it wasn't just downhill, it sunk to the bottom of the deep end with the quickness.
2473408, (Somewhere) He changed it to more like 7 or 8 quality albums.
Posted by no_i_cant_dance, Wed Dec-15-10 01:33 PM
^^Fairer option imo.

Still, I think my list is pretty strong.
2472953, i love The Roots
Posted by ATLiens79, Tue Dec-14-10 08:06 PM
there aren't many with a catalog as solid as theirs. they only got three albums that i can't really fuck with. Organix, TTP & HIGO. The albums have cuts that i love but i couldn't vibe with the album as a whole
2472970, Will Oldham (throught his various monikers)
Posted by akahige, Tue Dec-14-10 08:33 PM
Joya
Arise Therefore
Viva Last Blues
I see a darkness
Ease Down the road
I see a darkness
Master and Everyone
Superwolf
The Letting Go
Lay Down in the Light
Beware
Great WOndershow of the World.

I think BPB and the Roots have been incredibly consistent, each album has at least 3-5 songs that really affirm to me my love of music.



2473017, what are the must-listens?
Posted by zero, Tue Dec-14-10 10:08 PM
i've heard lie down in the light and its beautiful. what else do i *need* to hear?
2473023, RE: what are the must-listens?
Posted by akahige, Tue Dec-14-10 10:17 PM
I am partial, so they are all wonderful. If you like "lie down" then look into I See A Darkness, Ease Down the Road, The Letting Go, and Beware. Then start working backwards.

I missed the post about music geniuses, and i think that BPB is this generations William Blake. An acquired taste to be sure, but one of the most starkly brilliant and original musical minds alive.
2472972, RE: give me... 5 artists with a 10 album run like the roots since 1995.
Posted by Zarathuckya, Tue Dec-14-10 08:41 PM
36 Chambers
Tical
Return to the 36
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
Liquid Swords
Ironman
Wu-Tang Forever
Bobby Digital in Stereo
Supreme Clientele

That's 9 since '93... But it got a bit shit to very shit in the 2000s, so yeah actually the Roots are trumping them in terms of consistency.
2473050, well, like i said... you have to count the solo albums
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Dec-14-10 11:18 PM
the wu as a unit started out 2-2 and kinda got lost after that

but they easily have an equal run counting the solo lp's.

36 Chambers
Tical
Tical 2000 (fuck everyone who doesn't like this album)
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx 2
Liquid Swords
Ironman
Wu-Tang Forever
Supreme Clientele
The Pillage

>That's 9 since '93... But it got a bit shit to very shit in
>the 2000s, so yeah actually the Roots are trumping them in
>terms of consistency.

yeah, and that's sort of where i'm going with this
2473016, Kanye has no bad albums
Posted by Tiger Woods, Tue Dec-14-10 10:07 PM
he's got four that depending on who you ask vary from good to classic and one (808s) that is mediocre at its worst
2473045, but 10 quality albums in 15 years though?
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Dec-14-10 11:09 PM
>he's got four that depending on who you ask vary from good to
>classic and one (808s) that is mediocre at its worst

nothing against ye on this one
but this one is really more a testament to consistency and longevity
ten alums is a lot, especially in hip hop
ten in fifteen years, through all the changes
to be basically the only group able to have their cake and eat it too that whole time with zero falling off?

give me 5 more albums and 8 more years and i'll talk about ye the same way
2474031, I'd put money on Ye doing it
Posted by Eric B Is Prez, Thu Dec-16-10 12:35 PM
His first LP was in 2004, and he now has 5 excellent albums (if you're in the pro-808s camp, that is).

Or even if you're anti-808s, then give him 4 great albums in 6 years, which means he's still on pace for 10 great albums in a stretch of 15 years, more or less
2474039, i dunno
Posted by howisya, Thu Dec-16-10 12:48 PM
>His first LP was in 2004, and he now has 5 excellent albums
>(if you're in the pro-808s camp, that is).

i think he has 5 good to great ones, including '808s,' but he seems to be running out of anything worth saying. i find his new album vapid. his lyrics just keep getting worse. i'm not sure if he's aware and still just dumbing it down to stadium status and if so how long that can last. i guess i wouldn't put it past him to make another 5 albums about being a shallow, materialistic, megalomaniacal, whiny asshole, but i'm not sure i'll be listening no matter how amazing the music is. i've gone from a full-on fan to finding his personality increasingly repugnant and just wonder if the world can tolerate 5 more albums along the same lines or if he'll bow out gracefully before overstaying his welcome.
2474147, I think his lyrics will continue to evolve
Posted by Eric B Is Prez, Thu Dec-16-10 02:28 PM
like they have already. If you look at his topics over the course of his albums, there actually is a range.

But yeah, MBDTF is his most status and wealth-oriented, but I think that's his way of getting back at his critics for accusing him of being status and wealth-oriented (sort of a "fuck you, this is who I am" kind of statement).

MBDTF is Dionysian and about indulgent excess. I predict he'll go back to the more thoughtful stuff next.
2474157, i think they've changed but devolved rather than evolved
Posted by howisya, Thu Dec-16-10 02:36 PM
(..."benjamin button, what? nothin'"...)

instead of progressing, they've just gotten less clever and witty and more crass and superficial and more like every other mainstream rapper


>like they have already. If you look at his topics over the
>course of his albums, there actually is a range.

a little range, it's just acceptable compared to most mainstream rappers but IMO a pretty obvious step down from where he was early on


>MBDTF is Dionysian and about indulgent excess. I predict
>he'll go back to the more thoughtful stuff next.

i hope so, but i'd accept MBDTF as a concept album a lot more readily if his previous 2 albums didn't point in the direction.
2716077, cross-post (What Was Lost Edition)
Posted by howisya, Tue Jul-03-12 09:16 AM
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2715002&mesg_id=2715002&page=2
2507722, This is what I thought would happen after Graduation
Posted by zuma1986, Fri Feb-18-11 07:54 PM
>MBDTF is Dionysian and about indulgent excess. I predict
>he'll go back to the more thoughtful stuff next.

Man was i pissed when 808's came out. Have grown to appreciate the album way after but at that time I hated it.
2739449, cross-post
Posted by howisya, Tue Sep-11-12 07:50 AM
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2738784&mesg_id=2738784&page=#2739425
2740263, cross-post 2
Posted by howisya, Thu Sep-13-12 01:25 PM
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2740083&mesg_id=2740083&page=#2740254
2771975, cross-post 3
Posted by howisya, Wed Jan-23-13 11:36 AM
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2771970&mesg_id=2771970&page=
2507721, I have doubts he'll make it to 10 studio albums
Posted by zuma1986, Fri Feb-18-11 07:50 PM
I'm a huge fan but he'll either crash & burn or find god & retire
2474136, you mean no good albums
Posted by My_SP1200_Broken_Again, Thu Dec-16-10 02:22 PM
2476433, exactly right.
Posted by Tiger Woods, Tue Dec-21-10 10:41 AM
2476019, I'm sorry, but 808's is a bad album
Posted by icecold21, Mon Dec-20-10 03:34 PM
2710451, so 8o8s I Heart Gays ain't a bad album now?
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Sun Jun-17-12 09:00 AM
cmon niggas yall are slaying me with all this Kaney fucksticking
2473051, my only problem
Posted by justin_scott, Tue Dec-14-10 11:24 PM
TRCA shouldn't count. neither should wake up. mostly old material. wake doesn't have much black thought. as dope as both are, i personally wouldn't include them. but even still, i'd say 6 dope albums, 1 fairly dope album (phrenology), 1 okay album (tipping point).

i'd put jay on par with them. he has more albums even if you count TRCA and wake up. i'm personally big fans of both.
2473056, i think this post points out The Roots greatest quality, which is their ...
Posted by forgivenphoenix, Tue Dec-14-10 11:40 PM
consistency. which is quite rare in popular music, and even more so in hip-hop.

i feel i grade them on too hard of a curve for myself and i don't account for the quality of their music relative to their peers.

i guess if 80& of being successful is showing up than The Roots are masters at success. Plus they've done it the hard way, touring rather than being a studio focused group. That's alot of time to spend around each other, plenty of time to decide to do other things. It's a testament to how they value each other and how they value the music they make that they've produced at a high level for so long.

and it's not like they have a model from which to draw from either. it's not like there was a hip-hop group that they could emulate or anything.

i feel conflicted about my opinion about them because i feel on the strength of their music, relative to all music, i can't give them an A. because i don't get those moments where i'm ready to 'jump around'. but i think after this post i ought to readjust my criteria, because if making 10 quality albums without catering to the lowest common denominator in this era isn't A-quality then i think our standards are off.
2473058, Yah.
Posted by denny, Tue Dec-14-10 11:44 PM
It's pretty incredible when you start to add it all up.

The albums.

Then you think of various side projects Quest has been involved with.....I remember they did a track with Roy Ayers and the Jazzyphatnastees for a blue note comp....D'angelo, Common, Al Green, there's alot more too.

Then you think about how much they've toured as a group? I saw them 4 or 5 times in Toronto before 2000's even began.

Then you add in some of the appearances like the concert with Jay z...Eminem at the Grammys.

Then the grammy awards, nominations.

then Quest's DJ gigs and record collector status.

Then being a house band on Jimmy Fallon....creating a successful message board like OKP with thousands of members.

When do they sleep? Incredible run and presence on the music scene. Someone who knows more than me should make a comprehensive list cause I'm sure I'm missing stuff.
2473081, RE: give me... 5 artists with a 10 album run like the roots since 1995.
Posted by melanon, Wed Dec-15-10 12:11 AM
Ghostface will likely have another winner with Apollo Kids.

that has him arriving in this discussion with:


1. ob4cl (yep)

2. ironman

3. supreme clientele

4. bulletproof wallets

5. pretty toney

6. fishscale

7. more fish

8. big doe rehab

9. wizard of poetry

plus 'put it on the line' & the theodore unit album.

i know people have been spouting some displeasure with his post fishscale work but they're sort of retarded arguments.

tipping point, rising down & the live album aren't exactly game changers in comparison.



2473122, You think those last 5 are good to great?
Posted by handle, Wed Dec-15-10 02:12 AM
5. pretty toney
6. fishscale
7. more fish
8. big doe rehab
9. wizard of poetry

I think the material on these albums varies from great to awful. But I don't think any of them have enough great songs to count as a quality album. You get some GREAT 12" singles and EPs out of them - but as albums they're too inconsistent for ME. IMHO.
2473127, RE: You think those last 5 are good to great?
Posted by melanon, Wed Dec-15-10 02:32 AM
>5. pretty toney
>6. fishscale
>7. more fish
>8. big doe rehab
>9. wizard of poetry
>
>I think the material on these albums varies from great to
>awful. But I don't think any of them have enough great songs
>to count as a quality album. You get some GREAT 12" singles
>and EPs out of them - but as albums they're too inconsistent
>for ME. IMHO.



i absolutely think Fishscale is great, and due to it being essentially the leftovers from it, i love More Fish as well.


Pretty Toney has some great highs and some really bad lows. BDR is rock solid to me. i never got the hate. i only skip 1 song (white linen affair). the R&B album can be a pretty hilarious listen and contains 6 great songs (stay, stapleton sex, not your average girl, baby,let's stop playin', guest house).


i find The Roots, as good as they are incredibly boring in comparison.
2473104, of montreal?
Posted by Madvillain 626, Wed Dec-15-10 01:08 AM
2476058, They're certainly consistent and very varied in terms of sound...
Posted by The Analyst, Mon Dec-20-10 04:15 PM
I don't know how many albums they have, but its probably something in that range. They're definitely not for everyone though.
2476110, they're on a great streak...
Posted by thebigfunk, Mon Dec-20-10 05:50 PM
but I think you'd have to be stretching the "great" label for some of their earlier records (imo, but I came to them late, around "Hissing...").


-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~
2473161, you mean in hip hop ?
Posted by Coco la chapelle, Wed Dec-15-10 05:57 AM
If you like jazz, it's not a big thing :Ahmad Jamal, Wynton Marsalis, Roy Hargrove, Chick Corea,Herbie Hanckok
Roy Ayers, Soulive

You should be able to find 10 good albums in Sizzla's 40 LP discograhy since 1995. Then you have Israel Vibration, Fredie Mc Gregor, Denis Brown who died in 1999, Gergory Isaacs, Sly and Robbie.

Also, Gilberto Gil, Milton Nascimento, Caetano Veloso, Compay Segundo, Ali Farka Touré, Tony Allen, Femi Kuti, or even Petit Pays.

Im not saying those people have had 10 flawless album since 1995 but like the roots they've shown sign of unlimited creativity.
2473163, All good suggestions
Posted by denny, Wed Dec-15-10 06:33 AM
but almost all of them were passed their peak by 1995.
2473197, ^^^got the spirit of this post
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Dec-15-10 09:14 AM
>If you like jazz, it's not a big thing :Ahmad Jamal, Wynton
>Marsalis, Roy Hargrove, Chick Corea,Herbie Hanckok
>Roy Ayers, Soulive
>
>You should be able to find 10 good albums in Sizzla's 40 LP
>discograhy since 1995. Then you have Israel Vibration, Fredie
>Mc Gregor, Denis Brown who died in 1999, Gergory Isaacs, Sly
>and Robbie.
>
>Also, Gilberto Gil, Milton Nascimento, Caetano Veloso, Compay
>Segundo, Ali Farka Touré, Tony Allen, Femi Kuti, or even Petit
>Pays.
>
>Im not saying those people have had 10 flawless album since
>1995 but like the roots they've shown sign of unlimited
>creativity.
2473206, Lambchop has had an INCREDIBLE 10 album run since '94
Posted by DonWonJusuton, Wed Dec-15-10 09:48 AM
-How I Quit Smoking
-Thriller
-What Another Man Spills
-Nixon
-Is a Woman
-Aw, C'mon
-No, You C'mon
-The Decline of Country & Western Civilization, Pt. 2: The Woodwind Years
-Damaged
-OH (Ohio)
-Live at XX Merge

.. that's 11... and some of there best material appears on every one of those albums.. they're ever-evolving and yet always true to themselves.. but i know no one is gonna check them out lol... if i had to pick just one to suggest listening to, i'd say What Another Man Spills or OH (Ohio)... i think they should at least be in the conversation for 'best american band' in the last 15 years.. Kurt Wagner is a beast.
2473225, good albums, poor live shows.
Posted by shockzilla, Wed Dec-15-10 10:37 AM
but that said

i agree.
2491367, no doubt.. glad to see SOMEONE else out there is aware of
Posted by DonWonJusuton, Mon Jan-17-11 07:32 PM
lambchop.. i haven't seen them live yet, but i'm also not sure if they're a band i'd like to see live.. from what i've heard, they deviate quite a bit from the studio versions.. which is cool and i respect that, but i'd really love to hear the full 14ish-piece band performing more or less the original versions..

but as far as their albums, they've put in a LOT of work.. and i can pick out a bunch of my favorite lambchop tracks from each of their albums.. each album shows an evolution or different take on their sound, but remains *lambchop* - you really need to listen to alllll of their albums to get a good handle on the breadth of their style.. and they're genre-bending/blurring while still sounding completely natural.. great shit, near the top of my 'favorite bands' list

2473235, Beck n/m
Posted by seandammit, Wed Dec-15-10 10:46 AM
2473246, i'm a beck fan, but
Posted by shockzilla, Wed Dec-15-10 10:52 AM
hell no.
2473256, i'm more of a roots fan than a beck fan
Posted by seandammit, Wed Dec-15-10 10:59 AM
But let's look at output:

Since 1995, Beck released:

Odelay
Mutations
Midnite Vultures
Sea Change
Guero
The Information
Modern Guilt

I'm not counting that Guero remix album either (which in my opinion would fall into the same category as, say, the Roots Come Alive in this type of discussion).

Those are all releases that are pretty different from one another, almost all of them have gotten critical acclaim, and have maintained relevance amongst pop culture critics/etc.

Now, I'm not necessarily saying an album like "Modern Guilt" or "The Information" should be counted as Beck's best material...but I don't think that "Rising Down," "The Tipping Point," "How I Got Over," or "Phrenology" count as the Roots' best, either.
2473262, okay, well that's only 7 albums, for starters!
Posted by shockzilla, Wed Dec-15-10 11:04 AM
and everything since sea change has been decidedly below par. (edit - wait, this is being unfair to guero).

(apart from IRM this year, but that doesn't count).

but then i think the only misstep the roots have made has been with the tipping point

and even that is pretty good.
2473273, The Roots have had 8 REAL albums since 1995
Posted by seandammit, Wed Dec-15-10 11:13 AM
DYWM
Illadelph
Things Fall Apart
Phrenology
Tipping Point
Game Theory
Rising Down
HIGO

I'm of the belief that HIGO, RD, and TTP are their Guero, Information, Modern Guilt.

Look, I'm a fan of both, and this isn't a detraction to the Roots' greatness, it's more of trying to shoot down what I perceive as this hulked-out praise that this post is proposing. Their run is incredible. I'm just saying, in the context of this 'challenge,' Beck has done what they have done.
2473278, i guess i'm one of the few who thinks rising down
Posted by shockzilla, Wed Dec-15-10 11:19 AM
was fucking great.

and HIGO also.

but, yeah, fair point.

though the roots come alive is not a real album? and home grown volume 2?

(stan, stan, stan, stan, stan)

all this aside


have you been checking out beck's record club stuff?

the inxs sessions were awesome (says the aussie).
2473286, I was not a fan of HIGO or RD
Posted by seandammit, Wed Dec-15-10 11:31 AM
And I don't count the live album in this discussion, simply because it's not new material. In other words, if we're going to count a live album, we should count remix albums, etc.

I haven't been fully keeping up with the Record Club stuff. I prefer my music to be in the format of an album, otherwise it kind of gets lost in the shuffle for me.
2473329, i think remix albums count, however,
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Dec-15-10 12:14 PM
only if the artist did the remix of their own work

2473335, so homegrown part 2 counts?
Posted by shockzilla, Wed Dec-15-10 12:20 PM
2473379, i always thought that was just a greatest hits comp
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Dec-15-10 12:55 PM
i never bothered with either because i thought they were just greatest hits collections and i have every album (ok, i downloaded the last two).

i need to have a listen now.
2473385, jesus, man.
Posted by shockzilla, Wed Dec-15-10 01:00 PM
you really fucking need to get on that right now.

..

i said NOW!
2473392, lol when i get home from work. i'm mad that i missed out this long
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Dec-15-10 01:08 PM
2473328, RD is the only one i don't care for on the whole
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Dec-15-10 12:13 PM
>was fucking great.

meh... rising up and get busy are as good as anything else they got but it's a mixed bag after that.

>and HIGO also.

higo was great

>but, yeah, fair point.
>
>though the roots come alive is not a real album? and home
>grown volume 2?

i don't count compilations. the live album counts IMO because it's unique in itself. every group needs a great live album IMO.

2473334, 75 bars
Posted by shockzilla, Wed Dec-15-10 12:20 PM
criminal
i will not apologise
..

the only song i didn't really feel was the show, and that's pretty much only cause common fucked it up.
2473325, it wasn't really a "challenge" at all.
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Dec-15-10 12:11 PM
>DYWM
>Illadelph
>Things Fall Apart
>Phrenology
>Tipping Point
>Game Theory
>Rising Down
>HIGO

correct. i included the other two because they are unique to themselves and thus still relevant peices of their catalog. if they had like 5 live albums i wouldn't inlude them because that creates a seperate category for that, imo. i felt that a single quality cover album was also relevant because it's the only one of it's kind in their catalog.

>Look, I'm a fan of both, and this isn't a detraction to the
>Roots' greatness, it's more of trying to shoot down what I
>perceive as this hulked-out praise that this post is
>proposing. Their run is incredible. I'm just saying, in the
>context of this 'challenge,' Beck has done what they have
>done.

hulked out praise? if i called them the greatest band in the history of bands, that would be hulked out. if i said nobody out there has done what they've done, that would be hulked out. i stated that it's likely a very short list to have a run like they've had. i stated that my stance wasn't that there weren't artists out there with similar runs, simply that there were none that i myself could think of and asked for others, which you gave a solid example of.
2473346, wilco are up there
Posted by shockzilla, Wed Dec-15-10 12:29 PM
A.M. (March 28, 1995)
Being There (October 29, 1996)
Summerteeth (March 9, 1999)
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (April 23, 2002)
A Ghost Is Born (June 22, 2004)
Kicking Television: Live in Chicago (November 15, 2005)
Sky Blue Sky (May 15, 2007)
Wilco (The Album) (June 30, 2009)
2473366, Bulk alone is going to rule out most competitors
Posted by dalecooper, Wed Dec-15-10 12:44 PM
Especially in the post-1990 music industry, hardly anyone churns out an album every year or year and a half. Add in the very idea of being active long enough to compete, which most ensembles are not. But I guess that's kind of the point, right? Fair enough.

Here are my possibles:

- Sizzla Kalonji. Probably not enough reggae fans to discuss this in depth, but the man has had an amazing career and continues to be unbelievably prolific. The weird thing is that he pumps out so many albums (especially up until 2005 or so) that some of them can be kinda crappy and you can still easily pick out ten that are great. To wit: Praise Ye Jah, Black Woman & Child, Kalonji, Royal Son of Ethiopia, Bobo Ashanti, Rastafari Teach I Everything, Blaze Up the Chalwa, Da Real Thing, Rise to the Occasion, Speak of Jah, Life, Soul Deep, Waterhouse Redemption, I-Space, Ghetto Youthology. Pick any ten of those and I'm satisfied with your picks, and that's just the list of my favorites - I left out a few other solid releases (Taking Over, Burning Up, Good Ways, Black History) and at least ten others that I think are not so good.

- Modest Mouse. Just seven albums but that's a more realistic total than ten for most artists, I think. At least four are indie rock classics and not one is less than good.

- Nick Cave. He's got a string of solo albums (or Bad Seeds albums) and two with Grinderman, and if you're into the guy very few of those albums aren't well worth your time to hear.

- Wilco. Seven good-to-great studio albums and a pretty good live album (I admit I'm not the biggest live album guy though).

- Ghostface. If I'm counting right, he's got 8 or 9 solo full lengths in that time. Less ambitious than The Roots, but he usually delivers the goods at least, and I'd consider four of those legitimately great hip hop albums (Ironman, Supreme Clientele, Pretty Toney, and Fishscale).
2473372, nick motherfucking cave has almost a 30 year run of great shit.
Posted by shockzilla, Wed Dec-15-10 12:48 PM
dude's a legend.
2473460, Yep. By the way
Posted by dalecooper, Wed Dec-15-10 02:48 PM
I just noticed that you posted Wilco right above me. durrr. Good choice though!
2473370, Atmosphere and Zion I
Posted by javi222, Wed Dec-15-10 12:46 PM
these two duos get better with each release
2473438, Initially I thought of Jack White b/w White Stripes, Racon, Dead Weather
Posted by dgonsh, Wed Dec-15-10 02:18 PM
but if your counting a sole unit...who's touching the Roots? im drawing a blank.
2473445, it just sort of blurs the lines a bit too much. go on about jack though.
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Dec-15-10 02:28 PM
>but if your counting a sole unit...who's touching the Roots?
>im drawing a blank.

the only reason i'm not *really* counting that in this equation is because if i threw in questloves work on other projects it would alter the landscape and blur things a little too much for the sake of the topic- but by no means am i discounting guys like jack or questo or any artist that works on multiple projects.

no doubt jack has done a lot (in less time, no?) but outside of 7 nation army, Get Behind Me Satan and the icky thump (title track only, to be honest), i'm not all that up on him.

in fact i'd like to see you expound on him more.
2473455, Well, I'm not a Jack White fan per se...
Posted by dgonsh, Wed Dec-15-10 02:39 PM
so i dont feel well-versed enough in his catalog to defend/argue for his like 12 or 13 albums, but i know tens of thousands of people would.
2473441, Conor Oberst as Bright Eyes, Conor, and Desaparicidos for sure.
Posted by dgonsh, Wed Dec-15-10 02:22 PM
all of them are him.
2473464, RE: give me... 5 artists with a 10 album run like the roots since 1995.
Posted by spidey, Wed Dec-15-10 02:53 PM
no one is messin with the Roots output in the last 10 to 12 years...incredible work...
2473994, wonderful post, but some of you can't count or follow instructions.
Posted by howisya, Thu Dec-16-10 11:24 AM
much, MUCH respect to the roots. they're the reason many/most of us are here. they have one of the most impeccable catalogs of music ever. i find it a terrible shame that they've become underrated on their own web site.

bjork would be at the top of my list if the live releases and soundtracks count as albums (like you counted 'wake up' and TRCA), but they don't by my normal criteria

a group i listen to that could claim the title (if they were alive) with studio work alone would be coil. i vouch for these 13:

ELpH vs. Coil: Worship the Glitch (1995)
Black Light District: A Thousand Lights in a Darkened Room (1996)
Time Machines: Time Machines (1998)
Astral Disaster (2000)
Musick to Play in the Dark Vol. 1 (1999)
Queens of the Circulating Library (2000)
Musick to Play in the Dark Vol. 2 (2000)
Constant Shallowness Leads to Evil (2000)
Moons Milk (In Four Phases) (2002)
The Remote Viewer (2002)
Megalithomania! (2003)
The Ape of Naples (2005)
The New Backwards (2008)


then there is autechre:

1995: Tri Repetae++ (1 album and 2 EPs)
1997: Chiastic Slide
1998: LP5
1999: ep7
2001: Confield
2003: Draft 7.30
2005: Untilted
2008: Quaristice
2010: Oversteps
2010: Move of Ten


squarepusher (whatup seandammit):

Feed Me Weird Things (1996)
Hard Normal Daddy (1997)
Big Loada (Nothing Records 1998 version)
Chaos A.D.: Buzz Caner (1998)
Music Is Rotted One Note (1998)
Budakhan Mindphone (1999)
Maximum Priest EP (1999)
Selection Sixteen (1999)
Go Plastic (2001)
Do You Know Squarepusher? (2002)
Ultravisitor (2004) (the EP releases around this are incredible as well but too short to list)
Hello Everything (2006)


i'll also agree with "Prefuse 73 & his infinite aliases" trailing the above

btw, i can't see myself ever caring about a new artist enough to follow a 10+ album run in 15 years
2474001, perfect response. i couldn't be happier.
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Dec-16-10 11:40 AM
2474005, youd have a point if all them albums were dope
Posted by d-bwoyFLOW, Thu Dec-16-10 11:48 AM
rising down and phrenology were trash

tipping point boring as hell

plus they aint made 10 albusm. how the fuck is a live record an album?

2474013, RE: youd have a point if all them albums were dope
Posted by howisya, Thu Dec-16-10 11:58 AM
>rising down and phrenology were trash
>
>tipping point boring as hell

i disagree


>plus they aint made 10 albusm. how the fuck is a live record
>an album?

a live album is an album. i prefer to talk about artists' studio albums as their "albums" and would qualify a lengthy EP or soundtrack before a live album, but i didn't set the criteria here.


anyway, like what you like. i don't enjoy all of the roots' albums equally and doubt that anyone else does either, but i stand by what i said.
2474023, john frusciante released 6 albums in one year
Posted by d-bwoyFLOW, Thu Dec-16-10 12:14 PM
most of them better than the roots
2475056, you, sir,are a dumb motherfucker.
Posted by shockzilla, Fri Dec-17-10 08:16 PM
2474081, RE: give me... 5 artists with a 10 album run like the roots since 1995.
Posted by Burt Reynoldz, Thu Dec-16-10 01:33 PM
Ghostface Killah:

Solo Albums:
- Ironman (1997)
- Supreme Clientele (2000)
- Bulletproof Wallets (2001)
- Pretty Toney (2004)
- Fishscale (2006)
- More Fish (2006)
- Big Doe Rehab (2007)
- Wizard of Poetry (2009)
- Apollo Kids (2010)

w/ Wu-Tang:
- Wu-Tang Forever (1997)
- The W (2000)
- Iron Flag (2001)
- 8 Diagrams (2007)

w/ Theodore Unit:
- 718 (2004)

w/ Trife da God:
- Put It On The Line (2005)

w/ Raekwon & Method Man:
- Wu-Massacre (2010)

w/ Raekwon:
- Only Built 4 Cuban Linx (1995)
- Only Built 4 Cuban Linx II (2009)

If you only want to count solo albums, that's 9 solos; granted, I think "More Fish" was underwhelming (though it had its moments) and Ghostdeini really wasn't for everyone (and we have no idea on Apollo Kids), but that's a damn solid run that contains a handful of albums that would be a peak for any other rapper. Add in to that his role in all the Wu albums, and his second-fiddle role on OB4CL and (II), and I think you've got something. On that note, dude has had a major role in 18 albums over the last 15 years, which is crazy.

If you're willing to play with the number of albums a bit, then the award clearly goes to Radiohead. 8 albums since 1995 (if you count "I Might Be Wrong (Live)" and "In Rainbows" disc II/bonus as albums), and not a single misstep.
2474112, Bob Dylan owns this post
Posted by L.E.S., Thu Dec-16-10 01:58 PM
greatest run of all time by any artist hands down. .

Bob Dylan (Self Titled)
The Freewheelin'
The Times They Are A Changing
Another Side of Bob Dylan
Bringing It All Back Home
Highway 61 Revisited
Blonde on Blonde
John Wesley Harding
Nashville Skyline
(The Basement Tapes w/ The Band)
Self-Portiat or New Morning

now one can say the last one is in question because Self-Portrait
was like a compilation album, and wasn't that good. but the other
9 are strong as hell. And, if we were to consider Dylan's collaboration with The Band on 'The Basement Tapes' which i think
should be considered, and is an incredible album, then its a clear blowout. i mean this list isn't just the greatest 10 album run of
all time, it contains probably 3 or 4 of the greatest albums ever
made by any artist. and whats more, the first album Bob Dylan to
the 9th, Nashville Skyline, were made in an 8 year span. Music
was changed forever during the run of these albums.
2474116, Runs started 1995 or later, sport.
Posted by dalecooper, Thu Dec-16-10 02:02 PM
Otherwise this gets a whole lot easier.
2474128, oh yeah. i'm just lookin at their peers.
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Dec-16-10 02:11 PM
>Otherwise this gets a whole lot easier.
2474141, nobody...
Posted by My_SP1200_Broken_Again, Thu Dec-16-10 02:24 PM
..that said, the roots albums since TFA havent exactly been classics ..but by the criteria of this post, they win
2475122, This is ridiculous
Posted by quakka1, Fri Dec-17-10 11:24 PM
Being that prolific is a hiphop only characteristic. Ten albums in 15 years is overkill. If The Roots took more time and let their albums slowly develop, I think their albums would be treated more like hiphop events rather than "another Roots album".
2475161, this shit doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Posted by Cold Truth, Sat Dec-18-10 01:23 AM
>Being that prolific is a hiphop only characteristic.

oh word? because artists in hip hop with that kind of output are just growing on trees? and other artists in other genres don't do it? at all? really?

lol.... this isn't even remotely factual, but ok.


>albums in 15 years is overkill.

well, according to you it's pretty common.

>If The Roots took more time
>and let their albums slowly develop, I think their albums
>would be treated more like hiphop events rather than "another
>Roots album".

there is a valid argument here, except that for the most part... all these albums are quality.
2475209, compared to other popular genres...
Posted by quakka1, Sat Dec-18-10 04:29 AM
hiphop is much more prolific. Other popular genres, not jazz, electronica, hardcore punk etc. In fact, it seems that the only thing that keeps hiphop artists from releasing product at a quicker rate is record label woes. It lends itself to be more prolific because it is one of those genres where exposure is at a premium.
2475308, James J Dilla Yancey boy comon now you know he it baby
Posted by Jeff Wigg, Sat Dec-18-10 01:54 PM
2475982, so'd you get round to that homegrown vol. two?
Posted by shockzilla, Mon Dec-20-10 02:34 PM
2476023, Don't think there are 5...OutKast comes close, but they lack the output
Posted by icecold21, Mon Dec-20-10 03:39 PM
The Roots are probably the most consistent act in the history of rap, along with Jigga, who has had his share of downs.
2476027, i named 5 by myself
Posted by howisya, Mon Dec-20-10 03:43 PM
if you stick to rap, it's much harder, but ultimately it's all subjective
2476373, Radiohead
Posted by Burt Reynoldz, Tue Dec-21-10 09:04 AM
Since you're up for including things like "Wake Up" and "Come Alive," I assume you'd be fine with including Radiohead's live album, plus their various EPs, most of which have anywhere from 6-10 tracks and are just as long as many band's albums, right?

In that case, we've got:

- The Bends (1995)
- OK Computer (1997)
- No Surprises/Running From Demons (EP) (1997)
- Airbag/How Am I Driving (EP) (1998)
- Kid A (2000)
- Amnesiac (2001)
- I Might Be Wrong (live) (2001)
- Hail To The Thief (2003)
- COM LAG (EP) (2004)
- In Rainbows (2007)
- In Rainbows (bonus disc EP) (2007)

You could also add in Thom Yorke's solo disc, I suppose.
2476376, RE: Radiohead
Posted by howisya, Tue Dec-21-10 09:11 AM
>- No Surprises/Running From Demons (EP) (1997)

1 No Surprises 3:49
2 Pearly* 3:38
3 Melatonin 2:08
4 Meeting In The Aisle 3:07
Programmed By - Henry Binns , Sam Hardaker
5 Bishop's Robes 3:23
6 A Reminder 3:51


>- Airbag/How Am I Driving (EP) (1998)

1 Airbag 4:47
2 Pearly* 3:33
3 Meeting In The Aisle 3:09
4 A Reminder 3:51
5 Polyethylene (Parts 1 & 2) 4:22
6 Melatonin 2:09
7 Palo Alto 3:44


my other problem with the two EPs you list above is that they're basically maxi-singles rather than their own unique release(s), same with 'my iron lung'


>- In Rainbows (bonus disc EP) (2007)

>You could also add in Thom Yorke's solo disc, I suppose.

these are also stretching the criteria, but i understand, i wish i could nominate radiohead as well
2476656, RE: Radiohead
Posted by Burt Reynoldz, Tue Dec-21-10 02:23 PM
I mean, I think the problem is the criteria. The OP just happened to pick a period of time where the Roots had released 10 distinct albums (if you're counting Come Alive and Wake Up). How many bands release that many records, ever, let alone happened to time their most productive period to fall within 1995-2010?

Radiohead is the best I can come up with, that had a pretty stellar (near-flawless, actually) 1995-2010 that also included a pretty prolific number of releases. Take out the EPs, and count In Rainbows solely as one album, and you're left with 7. I think that 7 album stretch over this 15 year period is the closest any band will come to the OP's criteria.
2476669, RE: Radiohead
Posted by howisya, Tue Dec-21-10 02:35 PM
>I mean, I think the problem is the criteria. The OP just
>happened to pick a period of time where the Roots had released
>10 distinct albums (if you're counting Come Alive and Wake
>Up). How many bands release that many records, ever, let
>alone happened to time their most productive period to fall
>within 1995-2010?

i get it that it's very arbitrary, but i think specificity was the point. it's an even 15 years of time that actually fits rather nicely from 1995 to 2010, and it speaks to how music is now, not when artists released an album or two or three a year in the vinyl days nor the commercial peak of rap, which overlaps with the 15 years, but these years also represent the ascent to and descent from that peak. the criteria could change to 10 years, or 1994 to 2009 to cut out HIGO and WU, and a lesser # of albums and still speak to some of the same strengths of the roots and their output. it's ok to salute them for their accomplishment, and it's an interesting challenge to name other artists that fit the criteria given to us.


>Radiohead is the best I can come up with, that had a pretty
>stellar (near-flawless, actually) 1995-2010 that also included
>a pretty prolific number of releases.

i agree. they're my favorite band. i don't love all the albums equally, but they released a lot of music, especially on a song basis, during this time that represents top notch artistry. that said, they haven't been as prolific at major releases as the roots. the roots don't take nearly as much--actually, take no--downtime as radiohead, which isn't a strike against either artistically, just a fact worth discussing.


>I think that 7 album stretch over this 15 year period is the
>closest any band will come to the OP's criteria.

some of us have named artists that actually released 10 major or full-length releases during the time, but it's just a question of taste and familiarity. radiohead is obviously very popular so they seem like a great answer, but they are outmatched in this conversation.
2477146, Here's a new one - Ryan Adams
Posted by Burt Reynoldz, Wed Dec-22-10 09:41 AM
I don't know how many people on here are that familiar with Ryan Adams, but his output starting in 1995 with Whiskeytown is absolutely staggering:

Whiskeytown:
- Faithless Street (1995)
- Pneumonia (1997)
- Stranger's Almanac (1999/2001)

Solo:
- Heartbreaker (2000)
- Gold (2001)
- Demolition (2002)
- Rock N Roll (2003)
- Love Is Hell (2004)
- 29 (2005)
- Easy Tiger (2007)
- Orion (2010)

Ryan Adams & the Cardinals:
- Cold Roses (2005)
- Jacksonville City Nights (2005)
- Cardinology (2008)
- Cardinals III/IV (2010)

15 albums over that span, and very few missteps: all three Whiskeytown albums are great, same with the Cardinals recordings (though I haven't heard Cardinology), and his solo stuff has been excellent as well (Demolition is the worst, Rock N Roll is spotty, and I haven't heard Orion yet, to be fair).
2478106, ..that precocious little diva?
Posted by shockzilla, Thu Dec-23-10 04:15 PM
*shrug*

he's certainly been prolific.
2491362, cross-post
Posted by howisya, Mon Jan-17-11 07:13 PM
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2491176&mesg_id=2491176&page=
2507589, 2 more
Posted by howisya, Fri Feb-18-11 02:57 PM
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2507521&mesg_id=2507521&page=
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2507009&mode=full
2507726, good looks
Posted by Cold Truth, Fri Feb-18-11 08:10 PM
2491387, SPOON! (7 albums, 6 EPs since 95)
Posted by nublax, Mon Jan-17-11 09:01 PM
I've kinda always seen them as having a career paralleled to that of the Roots.

hella releases
hella critical acclaim
slow build and still sorta "underground."
your favorite rock band's/rap group's favorite rock band/rap group.

Only difference is Spoon has NEVER had a backlash. Every Roots release pisses off part of their pre-established fanbase while simultaneously it wins them a new audience.

also, I agree with the Beck mention above.

2491394, scarface is is up there...all these got some bangers on em
Posted by LAbeathustla, Mon Jan-17-11 09:26 PM
# The Diary (1994)
# The Untouchable (1997)
# My Homies (1998)
# The Last of a Dying Breed (2000)
# Greatest Hits (2002)
# The Fix (2002)
# Balls and My Word (2003)
# My Homies Part 2 (2006)
# Made (2007)
# Emeritus (2008)
2491395, e40 up there too...even tho i dont fk with his hyphy shit that much
Posted by LAbeathustla, Mon Jan-17-11 09:28 PM
# 1995: In a Major Way
# 1996: Tha Hall of Game
# 1998: The Element of Surprise
# 1999: Charlie Hustle: The Blueprint of a Self-Made Millionaire
# 2000: Loyalty & Betrayal
# 2002: Grit & Grind
# 2003: Breakin' News
# 2006: My Ghetto Report Card
# 2008: The Ball Street Journal
# 2010: Revenue Retrievin': Day Shift
# 2010: Revenue Retrievin': Night Shift
2491398, snoop up there too
Posted by LAbeathustla, Mon Jan-17-11 09:34 PM
# Tha Doggfather (1996)
# Da Game Is to Be Sold, Not to Be Told (1998)
# No Limit Top Dogg (1999)
# Tha Last Meal (2000)
# Paid tha Cost to Be da Boss (2002)
# R&G (Rhythm & Gangsta): The Masterpiece (2004)
# Tha Blue Carpet Treatment (2006)
# Ego Trippin' (2008)
# Malice n Wonderland (2009)
# Doggumentary Music (2011)
2507729, 3 of those are REAL iffy
Posted by phemom, Fri Feb-18-11 08:21 PM
Malice In Wonderland....the 1st No Limit LP & Doggmentry are wack imo...but his "Welcome To The Chuurch" mixtape series makes up for it.
2533875, cross-post
Posted by howisya, Sun Apr-03-11 05:49 PM
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2533874&mesg_id=2533874&page=
(similar but not the same!)
2581568, cross-post 1.5 (Missing Topic Edition)
Posted by howisya, Thu Aug-04-11 07:39 AM
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2581499&mesg_id=2581499&page=
(similar but not the same!)
2624599, cross-post 2.0 (again? again edition)
Posted by howisya, Sun Nov-06-11 10:02 PM
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2623294&mesg_id=2623294&listing_type=search#2624539
2676198, cross-post 3.0 (Rawk Rawkon edition)
Posted by howisya, Wed Mar-21-12 01:38 PM
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2676193&mesg_id=2676193&page=
2581736, Not the same exposure, but The Mountain Goats & John Vanderslice
Posted by TomWaitsInOkkervil, Thu Aug-04-11 12:13 PM
if you count MK Ultra's output for Vanderslice
2581750, CunninLynguists
Posted by amplifya7, Thu Aug-04-11 12:44 PM
Will Rap For Food (2001)
SouthernUnderground (2003)
Sloppy Seconds Vol. 2 (2005)
A Piece Of Strange (2006)
Dirty Acres (2007)
Strange Journey Vol. 1 (2009)
Strange Journey Vol. 2 (2009)
Death Is Silent (2010)
Niggaz With Latitude (2010)
Oneirology (2011)


I'm considering the 3 "mixtapes" and two solo albums as "albums", since they have all original material and had all group members collaborating on them
2676219, RE: give me... 5 artists with a 10 album run like the roots since 1995.
Posted by all stah, Wed Mar-21-12 02:00 PM



Madlib
DOOM
Radiohead
Massive Attack
Stereolab
Bonobo
Autechre
Georgia Anne Muldrow...






2676223, are you the same person who had an 11-year decade?
Posted by howisya, Wed Mar-21-12 02:13 PM
>
>
>
>Madlib
>DOOM
>Radiohead
>Massive Attack
>Stereolab
>Bonobo
>Autechre
>Georgia Anne Muldrow...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
2676260, RE: are you the same person who had an 11-year decade?
Posted by all stah, Wed Mar-21-12 02:56 PM
Doom (10 plus albums since 1995)

Solo
1999: Operation: Doomsday
2003: Take Me to Your Leader (as King Geedorah)
2003: Vaudeville Villain (as Viktor Vaughn)
2004: Venomous Villain (as Viktor Vaughn)
2004: Mm.. Food
2009: Born Like This (as DOOM)

Compilation Albums
2009: Unexpected Guests
Collaboration Albums
1991: Mr. Hood (as Zev Love X with KMD)
2001: Black Bastards (as Zev Love X with KMD)
2003: Escape from Monsta Island! (as King Geedorah with Monsta Island Czars)
2004: Madvillainy (with Madlib as Madvillian)
2005: The Mouse and the Mask (with Danger Mouse as DANGERDOOM)
2006: Occult Hymn (with Danger Mouse as DANGERDOOM)
2012: Key to the Kuffs (with Jneiro Jarel as JJ DOOM)
TBA: Untitled project (with Ghostface Killah) as DOOMSTARKS



Madlib: way more than 10 albums since 1995...medicine albums, beat konducta,etc




Bonobo( counting eps, because his eps were like albums



LPs
Black Sands Remixed (Ninja Tune - ZEN178, 13/02/2012)
Black Sands (Ninja Tune - ZEN140, 29/03/2010)
Days to Come (Ninja Tune - ZEN119, 02/10/2006)
Dial 'M' for Monkey (Ninja Tune - ZEN80, 09/06/2003)
Animal Magic (Tru Thoughts - TRU007 / Ninja Tune - ZEN63, 11/11/2001)
Other releases / EPs
The Keeper (feat. Andreya Triana) EP (Ninja Tune - ZEN247, 19/10/2009)
One Offs... Remixes & B-Sides (Ninja Tune - ZEN10223, 23/03/2009)
"Nightlite" (Zero dB Reconstruction/Bonobo Remixes) (Ninja Tune - ZEN12189, 04/12/2006)
"Nightlite / If You Stayed Over" (Ninja Tune - ZEN7189, 14/08/2006)
Bonobo Presents Solid Steel: It Came From The Sea (Ninja Tune, 03/10/2005)
Live Sessions EP (Ninja Tune - ZENCDS170, 31/05/2005)
Flutter EP (Ninja Tune - ZEN12147, 13/10/2003)
Pick Up EP (Ninja Tune - ZEN10137, 21/04/2003)
Kota EP (Tru Thoughts - TRU020, 26/11/2002)
One Offs, Remixes & B-sides (Tru Thoughts - TRU031, 07/01/2002)
The Shark EP (Tru Thoughts - TRU013, 18/12/2000)
Silver EP (Tru Thoughts - TRU008, 26/06/2000)
Terrapin EP (Tru Thoughts - TRU004, 11/06/2000)
Scuba EP (Fly Casual - FCSL001, 11/

Autechre:

Albums
1993: Incunabula
1994: Amber UK #81
1995: Tri Repetae UK #86
1997: Chiastic Slide UK #130
1998: LP5 UK #135
2001: Confield UK #153
2003: Draft 7.30 UK #149
2005: Untilted UK #199
2008: Quaristice UK #148
2010: Oversteps UK #124
EPs
1991: Lego Feet
1994: Anti EP
1995: Garbage (combined with Anvil Vapre for Tri Repetae++) UK #138
1995: Anvil Vapre (combined with Garbage for Tri Repetae++) UK #102
1997: Envane UK #94
1997: Cichlisuite (also known as Cichli Suite) UK #127
1999: Peel Session UK Budget Albums Chart #2
1999: EP7 (CD combining vinyl EPs EP 7.1 and EP 7.2)
2001: Peel Session 2
2002: Gantz Graf (also released as a DVD) UK #108
2003: æ³o & h³æ (2xCD Minimax, collaboration with Hafler Trio)
2005: æo³ & ³hæ (2xCD, collaboration with Hafler Trio)
2008: Quaristice.Quadrange.ep.ae (digital exclusive 13-track EP bundle)
2010: Move of Ten
2011: EPs 1991 - 2002 (set of 5 CDs; includes Cavity Jo


Georgia Anne Muldrow ( solo albums, compilation albums)

Worthnothings EP, (2006)
Olesi: Fragments of an Earth, (2006)
Umsindo, (2009)
Early, (2009)
Kings Ballad, (2010)
Vweto, (2011)
Owed To Mama Rickie, (2011)
Seeds, (2012)
Jyoti
Ocotea, (2010)
Pattie Blingh and the Akebulan Five



and radiohead was already proven. ..etc


and stereolab is a workhorse( before and after 1995):

Studio albums
Peng! (1992), Too Pure/American
Transient Random-Noise Bursts with Announcements (1993), Duophonic/Elektra
Mars Audiac Quintet (1994), Duophonic/Elektra
Emperor Tomato Ketchup (1996), Duophonic/Elektra
Dots and Loops (1997), Duophonic/Elektra
Cobra and Phases Group Play Voltage in the Milky Night (1999), Duophonic/Elektra
Sound-Dust (2001), Duophonic/Elektra
Margerine Eclipse (2004), Duophonic/Elektra
Chemical Chords (2008), Duophonic/4AD
Not Music (2010), Duophonic/Drag City


Compilations
Switched On (1992), Too Pure/Slumberland
Refried Ectoplasm: Switched On, Vol. 2 (1995), Duophonic/Drag City
Aluminum Tunes: Switched On, Vol. 3 (1998), Duophonic/Drag City
ABC Music: The Radio 1 Sessions (2002), Strange Fruit/Koch
Oscillons from the Anti-Sun (2005), Duophonic/Too Pure
Fab Four Suture (2006), Duophonic/Too Pure
Serene Velocity: A Stereolab Anthology (2006), Duophonic/Elektra/Rhino
Notes
2676268, streeetch
Posted by howisya, Wed Mar-21-12 03:01 PM
 
2676275, RE: streeetch
Posted by all stah, Wed Mar-21-12 03:06 PM
and madlibs discography?

shiiiiit

the quasi albums
beat kondukta albums
medicine albums
YNQ albums 


maybe 20 albums deep

I think that nigga wins hands down.



2710359, does the definition of quality change with the times?
Posted by howisya, Sat Jun-16-12 08:19 PM
cuz some of these artists weren't on majors or getting big recording budgets to begin with, so i don't have a sliding scale for grading quality
2722944, inquiring minds
Posted by howisya, Mon Jul-23-12 06:14 AM
2739459, CT, you ever listen to homegrown part 2?
Posted by ninjitsu, Tue Sep-11-12 08:51 AM
whaddya think?
2739577, people are TOO amazed by prolific artists
Posted by GumDrops, Tue Sep-11-12 12:55 PM
not that its not impressive, but it just seems like anyone who releases a lot of material automatically gets special status.

im not a huge fan of the roots post-99 material for the most part, but im glad theyve been so consistent with their output and that its all seemed of a high quality, even though i dont much like it anymore.
2739624, more like a 5 album run
Posted by Yank, Tue Sep-11-12 02:48 PM
-
2739634, Their last album that moved me was Phren
Posted by jorge123, Tue Sep-11-12 03:23 PM
all the rest of that shit is just 1990s Art Monking. I stopped buying day 1 after Tipping Point and stopped listening period after Game Theory. They just weren't making enjoyable music anymore, and Black Thought didn't adapt his flow with age in a way that I found entertaining.

In my opinion you judge musical artists by how high a pinnacle they set during their peak years. Very little consideration is given to how long they were actually doing stuff, unless to make a statement that the artist's peak lasted an exceptionally long time. For the Roots, any non-stan will tell you that their quality dropped off dramatically after TFA and therefore the longevity argument for the Roots is kind of weak.
2739785, oh, fuck off.
Posted by ninjitsu, Wed Sep-12-12 12:17 AM
2739792, seriously
Posted by justin_scott, Wed Sep-12-12 01:07 AM
.
2739660, People Under The Stairs
Posted by Manuels Burrito, Tue Sep-11-12 04:53 PM
These guys are getting pretty close:

The Next Step (1998)
Question in the Form of an Answer (2000)
O.S.T (2002)
...Or Stay Tuned (2003)
Stepfather (2006)
FUN DMC (2008)
Carried Away (2009)
Highlighter (2011)

They also have some EPs, limited releases and a best-of album.
2739670, wu-tang should be included by your logic.
Posted by connectpoliticditto, Tue Sep-11-12 05:17 PM

>now, the wu obviously compare when you compile the solo
>records.... but certainly not as a singular unit.
>

unless you ARE including Rahzel and Scratch's solos (maybe Dice Raw's also), which I would certainly not consider classic.
2740290, RE: give me... 5 artists with a 10 album run like the roots since 1995.
Posted by Mumskull, Thu Sep-13-12 02:18 PM
Not in any order I would have to go with:
1. Scarface
2. De la Soul
3. Gangstarr
4. DJ Quick
5. Masta Ace
2759602, we love the roots
Posted by howisya, Thu Nov-29-12 11:14 AM
2771978, The Sea & Cake
Posted by organix, Wed Jan-23-13 11:46 AM
If you don't mind that their first album was in 1994, and just released their 10th in 2012.

They have a sea of loyal fans, and not a single album is bad. Mad consistent. Definitely my favorite rock band.

Check em: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sea_and_Cake

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