2. "you're missing quite a bit then" In response to Reply # 1
and you probably shouldn't be shocked at the fact
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13. "OK, I'll start with some fire q-tip quotes" In response to Reply # 11 Sat Jun-30-12 08:01 PM by amplifya7
how about
"With the birds and the bees and all those groovy things Like getting stomach aches when you gotta go to work Or staring into space when you're feeling berserk"
"Some say that I'm eccentric cos I once had an orgy And sometimes for breakfast I eat grits and porgies"
"I'm moving, yes I'm grooving cos my mouth is on the motor Use the Coast in the morning to avoid the funky odor Can't help being funky, I'm the funky Abstract brother Funky in a sense, but I play the undercover Once had a fetish, fetish for some booty Now I'm getting funky in my rap and that's my duty"
yea, those kinda lyrics shit on Kanye's lyrics on "Get By (Remix)", "Drive Slow," "Crack Music," "Gone," "Gorgeous," "Can't Tell Me Nothing," etc.
14. "c'mon what you just did with Tip would be easy to do with Ye" In response to Reply # 13
You really don't need to go down that road because it won't go anywhere. They both have their moments where they ain't saying shit, and they both have a way of spitting some lines that come off endearing when they say it, but wouldn't work if it was another rapper.
For what it's worth, I like both of them a lot and don't give a shit how this poll turns out. I'm just saying.
15. "Oh, me too..." In response to Reply # 14 Sat Jun-30-12 09:09 PM by amplifya7
>For what it's worth, I like both of them a lot and don't give >a shit how this poll turns out. I'm just saying.
I was just doing that because it's absurd to me for anyone to act like Q-Tip is obviously a way better lyricist than Kanye when a good portion of his writing is silly rappity rap A B C nursery rhymes. Kanye obviously has a large share of cringe-inducing lines as well
64. "worst examples ever!" In response to Reply # 13
Im probably one of the biggest Tribe/Q-Tip fans ever, and while I hate Kanye lately, if there is one thing that dude is good at, it's clever lyrics with a fun twist.
Tip is good in the old school lyrical vain, but his stuff is not that clever consistently. Like Tip might have a couple clever verses on each track, but I always find myself smiling at Ye's wordplay and cadence.
One of my fave Tip verses:
I am recognizing that the voice inside my head/ is urging me to be myself/ and never follow someone else/ because opinions are like voices/ we all have a different kind/ so just clean out all of your ears/these are my views and you will find that..."
One of my fave Ye verses: 18 years, 18 years She got one of your kids, got you for 18 years I know somebody paying child support for one of his kids His baby mamma's car and crib is bigger than his You will see him on TV any given Sunday Win the Super Bowl and drive off in a Hyundai She was supposed to buy your shorty Ty-co with your money She went to the doctor got lipo with your money She walking around looking like Michael with your money Should've got that insured, Geico for your money If you ain't no punk, holla "We want prenup" "We want prenup" Yeah It's something that you need to have Cause when she leave your ass she gonna leave with half 18 years, 18 years And on the 18th birthday he found out it wasn't his?!
21. "RE: Who's the better LYRICIST? Q-Tip or Kanye" In response to Reply # 0
Man, Q-tip was never lyrical to me, he is literal if anything. He can spit and has some great verses but the stuff Ye does with punchlines and metaphors when he gets it right kills Tip when he gets it right with his simpler rhymes. Tip is more of a poetic, get the message across, story telling cat, I honestly don't recall him ever spitting some super complex multisyllabic shit like Nas or Rae or somebody like that.
I think some of yall picking Tip on a bullshit "real hip hop" type of thing.
and we all know Ye's biggest fault is just the wack ass punchlines or the times his little speech impediment or whatever that shit is comes out.
but I guess the man who taught us industry rule #4080 would win on here
22. "RE: Who's the better LYRICIST? Q-Tip or Kanye" In response to Reply # 0 Sun Jul-01-12 06:07 AM by noit
The fundamental problem with discussions like this is that there's no common understanding of what "lyrical" actually means. I've noticed that a lot people here use it to describe the use of technical devices such as metaphors, alitteration, complex rhymeschemes, etc.
On the other hand you can find definitons such as this in the dictionary: lyr·i·cal (lr-kl) adj. a. Expressing deep personal emotion or observations, which seems to refer more to the quality of the content rather than the form.
I suppose this actually deserves a thread of its own.
24. "Kanye ain't fuckin' wit BR&L Tip but other than that" In response to Reply # 0
It's a lot closer than people are making it out to be. I remember cats kinda going in on me because I said Dave (Trugoy) was better than Tip. Tip's voice made a lot of his shit sound fly. That's what really put him on the map. Kanye's ego makes it hard for the OKP contingent to give him his props. He's no slouch on the mic.
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29. "RE: yea BR&L should have been a tip solo" In response to Reply # 28
>that was his best "lyrical" performance. > >he was in a zone during that time...I think if it was a Q-tip >solo (which it sorta was anyway) it would have been hailed a >classic. > >You take the non phife songs on there add some of the >soundtrack songs and guest apperances he did during that >period you'll have an amazing album.
I agree with all of this. Get Phife and Cons off the LP and add them other soundtrack cuts then Tip got a solo classic under his belt.
>but to act like he some lyrical monster is not really what he >is..even Qeust said as much when Vivriant Thing came out. > >
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50. "Can't really argue w/ that list. I'd have Andre 3K in there tho, " In response to Reply # 26
and the order would be slightly different. But fuck if Kanye get anywhere near it at all. I have no clue what's going on in this post. The Low End Theory and Midnight Marauders are in the pantheon of rap music. The internet is rotting niggas brains or something.
27. "QTip is a rhymer/ MC-- but i wouLd never say he had the deep rhymes" In response to Reply # 0
for the most part. and that is 100% OK. qtip is stiLL a dope mc. but he never was coming that deep or that 'LyricaL'... even tho kanye has used about 20 different ghost writers-- you got to give 'ye his props here. he's went deeper with the wordpLay, concepts, and themes then Qtip or tribe ever did.
I Like the foLks who voted kanye in this one and went against the grain.
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35. "Kanye. Yep. Thing is, Kanye's said a LOT more questionable shit" In response to Reply # 0
while Q-Tip's "questionable" lines were just novelty-funny as hell, so he gets a pass. "I once had a fetish, fetish for some booty"...I love that shit.
I would actually say Qtip's one of the best rappers ever in terms of flow, lyrics, just general coolness on the mic. First three Tribe albums....he was unstoppable.
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37. "I'd say Tip is one of the best artists, as far as knowing how to make" In response to Reply # 36
>I would actually say Qtip's one of the best rappers ever in >terms of flow, lyrics, just general coolness on the mic. First >three Tribe albums....he was unstoppable.
actual songs and albums, vs just dope verses and limited material to back it up.
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47. "even Phife was a better lyricist than Q-Tip " In response to Reply # 0
and let me start out that Q-Tip is my favorite hip hop artist ever, but he really isn't that lyrical like a Black Thought, Monch, Mos or even Ye.
If anything he was a swag rapper and afrocentrism was his swag. people dig his voice, flow, personality and overall vibe but not lyrics per se. His rhymes are intellectual and come from a unique perspective, he says things that you can say and puff up your chest without tough talk, he says things you wish you said to that girl you saw on the train yesterday.
In my opinion the fact that he ISN'T lyrical makes him a better artist than rappers who are. He says a lot of cool, slick shit and does so using regular language & technique that the average dude on the corner can grasp without feeling like he's listening to a fucking word puzzle. He doesn't use a lot of metaphors and double/triple entendres or other tricks & he doesn't need to.
Tip's style is understated and sublime, he's not a swag rapper that's pretty fucking insulting swag rappers are the guys that try to be like him but have none of the earnestness or gravity he does, Kaney included
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65. "RE: even Phife was a better lyricist than Q-Tip " In response to Reply # 47
>and let me start out that Q-Tip is my favorite hip hop artist >ever, but he really isn't that lyrical like a Black Thought, >Monch, Mos or even Ye. ----Agreed > >If anything he was a swag rapper and afrocentrism was his >swag. people dig his voice, flow, personality and overall vibe >but not lyrics per se. His rhymes are intellectual and come >from a unique perspective, he says things that you can say and >puff up your chest without tough talk, he says things you wish >you said to that girl you saw on the train yesterday. ----Agreed > >In my opinion the fact that he ISN'T lyrical makes him a >better artist than rappers who are. He says a lot of cool, >slick shit and does so using regular language & technique that >the average dude on the corner can grasp without feeling like >he's listening to a fucking word puzzle. He doesn't use a lot >of metaphors and double/triple entendres or other tricks & he >doesn't need to.
----But I think the metaphors and double/triple entendre are what separate the good lyricists from the great ones, and the quicker you are on your feet with this stuff, the greater you are. Maybe it's because I also have an appreciation for poetry, but these are the things that make me love Mos Def and Common circa Resurrection.
54. "Kaney could never be as honest as Tip was on BRL" In response to Reply # 0
and when I say honest I don't mean that soft emo hurt feelings ass shit these 'gots do over soft ass beats give me either Travels, Low End, BRL or The Renaissance over all of Kaney's albums
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55. "my thing is, I'll stop and listen outside the show if Tip is rapping" In response to Reply # 0
Kanye needs the whole production, the lights and the bombast. maybe not old hungry Ye...and I REALLY like egotistic Kanye, but without the killer beat I think the attitude wouldn't rub me right.
And if I just wanted to listen to something in the background, I'd go for almost anything Q-Tip related before Kanye. It would just feel good to be in a room where Q-Tip was rapping; I'd be kind of bummed out if Kanye started rapping around me (I mean not really, but for the sake of argument).
62. "Q-tip lyrics get memorized" In response to Reply # 0
Since it's always subjective, I'm voting for the artist whose lyrics I enjoy reciting the most out of the two, as this is for sure as shit Q-tip by, uhmmm , dozens of songs.
or I could just say Q-tip for all the other reasons ya'll already mentioned. Funny ass post, good stuff.
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