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Cold Truth
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"2024 NBA Offseason: Draft, Trades, Free Agency, Coaching Carousel"
Wed Jun-19-24 11:23 AM by Cold Truth

  

          

Monty fired, which is insane, but expected. I’d say Cavs is the smart choice as far as open jobs are, but let’s be real. Wherever he goes he’ll be fired in 4 years if he’s lucky.

Coaching is a great gig if you want to get paid to fuck off, but not if you want long term stability.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40385485/sources-pistons-fire-coach-monty-williams-one-season

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Subject Author Message Date ID
I'm on that Borrego train and the Cavs seem to be as well
Jun 19th 2024
1
some of these teams more wreckless w/ their spending than the DoD
Jun 19th 2024
2
owner's gonna eat that apprently
Jun 19th 2024
3
      Yeah, ultimately you have to just accept the sunk cost.
Jun 20th 2024
7
           RE: Yeah, ultimately you have to just accept the sunk cost.
Jun 26th 2024
62
I’m kinda on team blow it up and rebuild.
Jun 19th 2024
4
I don't know why fans and the FO thinks having a Big 3 works
Jun 19th 2024
5
I honestly think the 2021 team may have been better.
Jun 19th 2024
6
      I could see that
Jun 22nd 2024
33
It just won't happen until Bron's gone.
Jun 20th 2024
8
JJ Redick is officially the next LA Lakers head coach. 4 year deal.
Jun 20th 2024
9
Unserious franchise.
Jun 20th 2024
10
I'm somewhat curious what the expectations will be going forward.
Jun 20th 2024
11
Lakers entering their 2000s Knicks era
Jun 20th 2024
15
      RE: Lakers entering their 2000s Knicks era
Jun 20th 2024
17
bwahahahahahaha
Jun 20th 2024
12
if someone is throwing a bag at me i'm catching it
Jun 20th 2024
13
      Money and wealthy are nice, sure.
Jun 20th 2024
14
           maybe he doesn't have designs on coaching until a decade from now
Jun 20th 2024
19
                I agree that he should've taken the offer. it'll be unreal pressure to g...
Jun 20th 2024
26
LeGM happy.
Jun 20th 2024
16
Steve Nash is 500x the player and basketball mind that Reddick is
Jun 20th 2024
18
Lake Show is back!!!!!
Jun 20th 2024
23
Podcast white guy over Sam Cassell is batshit crazy
Jun 22nd 2024
34
RE: Podcast white guy with zero experience coaching at any level
Jun 23rd 2024
35
Makes his anger at Perk's Joker comments re MVP really cute now
Jun 26th 2024
67
Bulls sending Alex Caruso to OKC for Josh Giddey....
Jun 20th 2024
20
Chi town what is you doin!?
Jun 20th 2024
21
Assuming legal troubles don't persist, good deal for both.
Jun 20th 2024
22
I agree w/ all of this.
Jun 20th 2024
25
      I mean, I think Caruso *could've* fetched picks. Maybe even two.
Jun 21st 2024
28
idk that this is the trade they need but ridding giddey with it is good
Jun 20th 2024
24
Celtics are primed to have the biggest payroll in history in short order
Jun 21st 2024
27
Annual contention is expensive!
Jun 21st 2024
29
Thems the breaks. Warriors got 4 out of it.
Jun 21st 2024
30
      Yeah I can't complain
Jun 21st 2024
31
           If you guys stay contending…
Jun 21st 2024
32
Do you guys think Jimmy Butler will resign with Miami?
Jun 23rd 2024
36
If I were them I'd test the waters on a trade this summer
Jun 24th 2024
44
re: the JJ hire -- what else should the Lakers have done?
Jun 23rd 2024
37
You really ignoring Kerr in the front office for awhile?
Jun 23rd 2024
38
No the FO experience in Phoenix is obviously relevant
Jun 23rd 2024
39
      Thing is…who knows?
Jun 23rd 2024
40
           ^^^ yup.
Jun 23rd 2024
41
           This is the 8th Laker coach in 12 years.
Jun 24th 2024
47
                While this is true - how many of those are coaching right today?
Jun 24th 2024
48
                     ... I'd say five of the last seven?
Jun 24th 2024
49
                          You’re correct.
Jun 25th 2024
50
Sam Cassell, Adrian Griffin, Kenny Atkinson, and James Borrego
Jun 24th 2024
43
      RE: Sam Cassell, Adrian Griffin, Kenny Atkinson, and James Borrego
Jun 24th 2024
45
      here's the story.
Jun 26th 2024
59
      JJ is making the same as Doc, Nurse, Malone, Kidd
Jun 24th 2024
46
           LMAO@word on the street, AKA I just made this up, just now
Jun 25th 2024
51
so Kenny Atkinson it is!
Jun 24th 2024
42
the Knicks just traded away the next decade for Mikal Bridges
Jun 25th 2024
52
Four unprotected firsts and a pick from the Bucks?
Jun 25th 2024
53
This is absolutely a "we're all in" move.
Jun 26th 2024
55
      Totally agree.
Jun 26th 2024
56
      Depending on the final roster
Jun 26th 2024
60
           half the team will be dealing with soft tissue issues by Valentine's Day
Jun 26th 2024
63
                let’s assume all the teams in the east are fully healthy
Jun 26th 2024
64
      more relevant easily. Peak Melo had JR Smith as a running mate.
Jun 26th 2024
68
Can the Knicks re-sign OG?
Jun 25th 2024
54
yes. likely they let I-Hart walk
Jun 26th 2024
65
We got rid of a role player for 4 unprotected firsts? Lmfao Knicks dumb ...
Jun 26th 2024
57
IMO, the Knicks gave up a lot
Jun 26th 2024
58
the amount of draft capital they gave up for Bridges is crazy.
Jun 26th 2024
61
OG coming back..5/212.5
Jun 26th 2024
71
now that the Nets are finally moving on, Cam Johnson will be ours
Jun 26th 2024
66
Won't the Nets want draft picks?
Jun 26th 2024
69
Seeing "experts" connecting PG with Golden State. You like that? (c)
Jun 26th 2024
70
This crew on ESPN doing the draft ain’t it.
Jun 26th 2024
72
Knecht falling to the Lakers is massive, man.
Jun 26th 2024
73
Agreed
Jun 26th 2024
74
#9! Good for you Zach, no one deserves it more
Jun 26th 2024
75
easily. as someone said, at worst he's a better Boban.
Jun 27th 2024
76

Dr Claw
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1. "I'm on that Borrego train and the Cavs seem to be as well"
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the backup guys will likely be Atkinson, Alex Jensen, maybe Chris Quinn from Miami.

but there's a major reason why I want Borrego: he has made doo-doo into actual fertilizer for teams offensively. The Cavs Achilles' heel is not toughness, not even the size of their backcourt IMO. it's offense and shooting.

and Borrego had a fuckin Devonte Graham/Terry Rozier backcourt cooking on a Hornets team that was ultimately ass. A lot of non-shooters in NO he made respectable.

Moving off JBB, I'm definitely welcoming JB2 with open arms over here.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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2. "some of these teams more wreckless w/ their spending than the DoD"
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headline might as well read "Pistons fans see 50% increase in their ticket/concession prices in 2024-26"

i get $65milly in a $2billy business is a drop in bucket/part of the game..but still

  

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3. "owner's gonna eat that apprently"
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but we'll see

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7. "Yeah, ultimately you have to just accept the sunk cost."
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You made a mistake. The coach isn't working, and you owe him a ton of money. Would you rather:
a) lose several more seasons solely because you don't want to eat the cost of firing the coach, or
b) admit the mistake, pay out the ass for it, and move on in order to give your franchise an actual modicum of hope for the near future?

Option B all day. You have a new president, new GM, might as well have a new coach. They can make moves with this roster-- it's a roster with bad fit, but most of the pieces are really young with real upside value. Extract enough value with moves, and hey, you could have something.

If it were up to me (and hey Detroit, I'm available), everything I do would be centered around trying to surround Cade with shooting. I'd trade one of Ivey or Ausar, whichever you like more going forward, for shooting or major league draft capital. I'd trade Duren for shooting. I think Stewart can space the floor some, and he's obviously great to keep for salary matching in future trades down the line, but if you get the right offer, you trade him too. I like Grimes (even though he was hurt most of last year). I like Sasser as an off-the-bench piece. But they desperately need true rim protection next to Stewart, and they need shooting shooting shooting.

In the draft, shit, I'd trade up to make sure I land Reed Sheppard. Exceptional shooter, exceptional decision maker, a perfect complement to Cade. Maybe offer Houston Ivey-- or maybe Amen wants to play with his brother, idk. But I've no doubt in my mind Ivey and a second or two would get you the third pick in this draft. Then, with the fifth pick, you land Donovan Clingan or Alex Sarr, whichever one is still on the board at 5, since the Spurs aren't drafting a center. If the Pistons could roll out something like Cade/Sheppard/Grimes/Stewart/Clingan next year? That'd be something I could get excited about looking ahead.

Do I think they'll reboot that hard, when so many of these individual pieces hold great potential (I love Ivey, I think Ausar can be an NBA starter, I think Duren is a perfect Drummond bench big type)? Absolutely not. But if Cade is your star (and he is), you can't have multiple can't shoot/can't defend players on the floor next to him. It's just common sense.

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62. "RE: Yeah, ultimately you have to just accept the sunk cost."
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>If it were up to me (and hey Detroit, I'm available),
>everything I do would be centered around trying to surround
>Cade with shooting. I'd trade one of Ivey or Ausar, whichever
>you like more going forward, for shooting or major league
>draft capital.

If one has to go its Ivey, but the way Ivey got jerked around this past year, I dont think they could get the value for what he will be, just what hes shown up to now.

They have to see if Cade/Ivey can work imo. There is a risk that Ivey turns put to be a good player on a bad team type, but doing things and undoing them is why Kennard isnt there now to he the shooting they need, and James Wiseman is.

>I'd trade Duren for shooting. I think Stewart
>can space the floor some, and he's obviously great to keep for
>salary matching in future trades down the line, but if you get
>the right offer, you trade him too. I like Grimes (even though
>he was hurt most of last year). I like Sasser as an
>off-the-bench piece. But they desperately need true rim
>protection next to Stewart, and they need shooting shooting
>shooting.

Duren is off the table imo. Everyone loves him, his attitude, and the work ethic to match the potential. If someone wants to overpay, then the Pistons should listen, but short of that i dont think hes going anywhere.

>In the draft, shit, I'd trade up to make sure I land Reed
>Sheppard. Exceptional shooter, exceptional decision maker, a
>perfect complement to Cade. Maybe offer Houston Ivey-- or
>maybe Amen wants to play with his brother, idk. But I've no
>doubt in my mind Ivey and a second or two would get you the
>third pick in this draft. Then, with the fifth pick, you land
>Donovan Clingan or Alex Sarr, whichever one is still on the
>board at 5, since the Spurs aren't drafting a center. If the
>Pistons could roll out something like
>Cade/Sheppard/Grimes/Stewart/Clingan next year? That'd be
>something I could get excited about looking ahead.

If they trade up for Reed Sheppard im gonna vomit, and if they trade Ausar Thompson to do it im driving down to the arena and vomiting on the front door. I personally believe Ausar has All NBA potential in the Demar Derozan lane with preternatural 2pt shot selection and the length and athleticism that will cause opponents to game plan around his disruptiveness.

>Do I think they'll reboot that hard, when so many of these
>individual pieces hold great potential (I love Ivey, I think
>Ausar can be an NBA starter, I think Duren is a perfect
>Drummond bench big type)? Absolutely not. But if Cade is your
>star (and he is), you can't have multiple can't shoot/can't
>defend players on the floor next to him. It's just common
>sense.

Cade/Ausar/Duren are the foundation and everyone here loves them. I dont see any of them going anywhere. Like I said, Ivey i could be talked into, but also like I said, Dinwiddie/Kennard/Bruce. Cutting bait on guys just to try something new has gotten old amongst the fan base. The last coach to make the playoffs more than once got fired before end of his contract. Monty shouldve never been hired, but now that hes gone, I really want a little patience so that we can see what we really have.

  

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4. "I’m kinda on team blow it up and rebuild. "
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Won’t happen, so…guess I’ll look forward to a podcaster head coach and a 3rd guy who doesn’t fit in again.

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5. "I don't know why fans and the FO thinks having a Big 3 works "
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I think the league the last few years has shown the depth is more important than top line talent. Even the year the team made the WCF, they had AD and Bron playing well, of course, but they had a lot of players play over their heads.

Also, who are we bringing in to be the #3 and who are we sending out? I don't think Levine is a solid bet given his injury history and lack of effort of defense. Are we getting rid of Reeves to get Levine? I don't think that's a good idea either.

I'd rather trade AD and Bron and start over. But, I would have very little faith the FO could actually build a capable roster. I didn't like Jim Buss and Mitch the last few years, but they did draft a pretty good roster. Recently, they nabbed Caruso, Reeves, and TNT with some low picks, so maybe I'm not giving them enough credit.

Regardless, I think 2020 was the peak of this team. It seems like whoever you bring in as a 3rd star, it's not going to move the needle enough to get this team to the level that OKC or MIN or DEN or DAL is at now. So, break the team up. But, I realize we need stars out here or Jeanie and Jay Mohr can't afford a new estate, so...

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6. "I honestly think the 2021 team may have been better. "
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But the injuries killed em. Obviously the offseason was almost nonexistent. Ah well.

But yeah. I’m guessing it’s gonna be LaVine, Dejonte, or…Trae. Blah.

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33. "I could see that"
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If AD and Bron don't get hurt, I think they were capable of making a run to the Finals or at least the WCF.

Either way, those two years were the best iterations of this version of the team. I don't see Rob getting the right fits around the stars.

As it is now, we'd be good if we were a Play-In team.

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8. "It just won't happen until Bron's gone."
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There's SO much money on the books. And they don't have their 2025 or 2027 picks either. Just gonna have to wait it out.

If Bron retires after this season, you eject Rui and Gabe Vincent in a heartbeat, you keep Reaves and Vanderbilt (because their contracts are pretty great, honestly), and you build around AD, because, let's face it, unless he plays another season or two like last year's, it's unlikely someone will want to trade for the right to pay 35-year-old AD 70 million dollars. But you'd have a ton of cap space, a few future picks, and expiring Rui and Vincent deals to play with in the trade market and free agency. It'll turn fast.

Just not next year, lol.

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9. "JJ Redick is officially the next LA Lakers head coach. 4 year deal."
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Woj says he's putting together a staff to surround him with experience. Fingers crossed this works out for him.

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10. "Unserious franchise."
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This is so stupid.

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11. "I'm somewhat curious what the expectations will be going forward."
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I say somewhat because all of my attention next season will be on my Knicks as this offseason will be a pivotal one, but enough about them. I bring up the expectations thing because I didn't watch the Lakers enough to know if Darvin Ham was in fact trash as a head coach and if Reddick will be that much better than him to exceed whatever expectations Ham didn't meet.

I have to assume Reddick is smart enough to know all eyes will be on him since him and LeBron already have that podcast they started up together coupled with the fact he's so green as a head coach.

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15. "Lakers entering their 2000s Knicks era"
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17. "RE: Lakers entering their 2000s Knicks era"
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12. "bwahahahahahaha"
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This dude legit kissed Bron's ass all the way to the head coaching gig of the LA Lakers. Unfucking real.


>Woj says he's putting together a staff to surround him with
>experience. Fingers crossed this works out for him.

Wait...why? Why do you hope it works out for *him*?


There are qualified candidates out there. There are other former players out there with coaching experience.


They just don't have the right complexion and experience kissing Lebron's ass.


Its okay to turn down a job. Its ok to know that your privilege + friendship shouldn't mean you take a job. Its okay to have self awareness and bow out.

Lakers shouldn't have offered it, but he shouldn't accept either. No reason to "pull" for this type of arrogance.

Either way, the Lakers are in shambles. Damn, Lebron and his team really helped sink the LA Lakers for years to come. Crazy.

This is loser, legacy-ruining stuff.

  

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13. "if someone is throwing a bag at me i'm catching it"
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>Lakers shouldn't have offered it, but he shouldn't accept
>either. No reason to "pull" for this type of arrogance.

*and* he has a good chance of pulling a full Monty and getting canned in a year if the lakers underperform but still getting paid some or all of the remaining years on the contract. i'm taking that job if i'm reddick 10/10 times. job probably should have gone to a coach with more experience and qualifications but that's on the FO

  

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14. "Money and wealthy are nice, sure."
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But there is also the risk of JJ completely embarrassing himself and making it extremely hard to get another head coaching gig if that occurs. Examples of ex-player first time head coaches with no NBA head or assistant coaching experience getting canned and fading away to Bolivian I can think of are Steve Nash and Derek Fisher.

Reddick is a smart dude, so I have to imagine he knows that's part of the risk of taking this job.

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19. "maybe he doesn't have designs on coaching until a decade from now"
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and this is a good litmus test for him. and it's not like "ex head coach of the lakers" will tarnish his podcast or broadcasting careers. i agree he's unqualified but there aren't many reasons in my mind why he shouldn't take this once in a lifetime opportunity

  

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26. "I agree that he should've taken the offer. it'll be unreal pressure to g..."
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the team going in the right direction.

the bigger problem, as mentioned earlier, the lakers never should've made an offer to him. maybe this is a stop-gap til bron retires? maybe they can both leave at the same time lol

hopefully, I'm wrong, but don't see how this helps anything besides jj's pockets.

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16. "LeGM happy."
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that's all that really matters with regards to the Lakers right now.

let's see how this works out.

  

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18. "Steve Nash is 500x the player and basketball mind that Reddick is"
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>Woj says he's putting together a staff to surround him with
>experience. Fingers crossed this works out for him.


...and he failed miserably with 2 hall of famers and Kyrie


good luck lol

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23. "Lake Show is back!!!!!"
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Jeanie please take control of your team from Klutch Sports.

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34. "Podcast white guy over Sam Cassell is batshit crazy"
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Cassell has put in years of assistant coaching training and cant get the gig over a guy who kissed LeGM's ass. Lakers arent serious

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35. "RE: Podcast white guy with zero experience coaching at any level "
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>Cassell has put in years of assistant coaching training and
>cant get the gig over a guy who kissed LeGM's ass. Lakers
>arent serious

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67. "Makes his anger at Perk's Joker comments re MVP really cute now"
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>Woj says he's putting together a staff to surround him with
>experience. Fingers crossed this works out for him.

since this dude been buddied up with the superstar/gm he's about to start coaching. previous experience: Brooklyn Basketball Academy 2023-24 Volunteer 4th Grade Boys Head Coach. MERIT BASED!

  

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20. "Bulls sending Alex Caruso to OKC for Josh Giddey...."
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bye, Josh.

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21. "Chi town what is you doin!?"
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22. "Assuming legal troubles don't persist, good deal for both."
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Obviously if you think Giddey is going to go to jail at some point-- or will continue to pursue activities for which he might go to jail-- then it's a terrible deal, lol. But Chicago's miles from real contention, and Giddey's a 21 year old averaging 14/7/6 for his career.

Caruso has way more value on a team like OKC than on a team like Chicago, where he's the perfect role player who doesn't need the ball to impact the game, and Giddey has way more value as a high ceiling upside swing on a team like Chicago than on a team like OKC. So, y'know, if Giddey can not be a total dumbass off the court, then it should work out for both teams.

And obviously, in the short term, it's a huge come up for OKC, for whom Caruso is just a perfect fit.

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25. "I agree w/ all of this."
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Bulls reddit is overreacting because the trade didn't come with picks.
But an injury prone 30 year old Caruso isn't gonna fetch that.
Honestly, the moves the Bulls are making now they should have started two years ago.

As for Giddy, I don't like that the Bulls are adding another player that's not a threat
behind the arc, but Giddy is young and an additional play maker.

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28. "I mean, I think Caruso *could've* fetched picks. Maybe even two."
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But I think the teams that would've dealt a pick or two for Caruso would've been contender teams for whom the picks would've likely been in the 20s-- and the odds that you find a guy averaging 14/7/6 by age 21 in the NBA even with two swings of the bat in the 20s are so incredibly small. You'd need a top 10 type pick-- and teams with likely top 10 picks aren't interested in dealing them for a season of Alex Caruso.

The more interesting thing about this, that I've seen a few people bring up, is the upcoming Giddey extension. Because Giddey's people are gonna ask for a big number given his age and stats-- and they likely know that the Bulls can't just let Giddey walk for nothing after dealing Caruso for him. So the Bulls are presumably all in on the Josh Giddey experience. So it's interesting to dive into that idea as it pertains to the rest of the roster (and roster moves) going forward.

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24. "idk that this is the trade they need but ridding giddey with it is good"
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feel like OKC is overloaded with <= 6'5" defenders already

  

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27. "Celtics are primed to have the biggest payroll in history in short order"
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It is what it is, but I'm glad finally they've delivered a chip.

  

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29. "Annual contention is expensive!"
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Always a little risky if something unexpected and essentially career-ending happens, but once you have a championship core, let the billionaires pay to keep them together. The fans'll be happy, and the players have earned it.

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30. "Thems the breaks. Warriors got 4 out of it. "
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Shit falls apart, but in the interim you guys are set without many roster questions for the next few years which has to feel nice.

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31. "Yeah I can't complain"
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The only concern moving forward is how we replace Horford's production next summer when he retires. That second apron is gonna make it tough to add a replacement. But outside of that, the core should be set for years.

  

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32. "If you guys stay contending…"
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I have no doubt a good,cheap vet big will come like Rasheed in 2010

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36. "Do you guys think Jimmy Butler will resign with Miami?"
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Pat Rileys very public "keep your mouth shut if youre not playing" comments to Jimmy when he commented on the Knicks series was kind of eyebrow raising lol, and part of me thinks jimmy wanted to snap back but had to bite his tongue given its a contract year

edit https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/pat-riley-says-jimmy-butler-shouldve-kept-his-mouth-shut-about-heat-vs-celtics-addresses-potential-trade/

35, aging, and plays a rugged style that leads to injuries but hes looking for max numbers...

IDK, something tells me Pat Riley would rather not give out that kind of bag



>Monty fired, which is insane, but expected. I’d say Cavs is
>the smart choice as far as open jobs are, but let’s be real.
>Wherever he goes he’ll be fired in 4 years if he’s lucky.
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>
>Coaching is a great gig if you want to get paid to fuck off,
>but not if you want long term stability.
>
>https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40385485/sources-pistons-fire-coach-monty-williams-one-season

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44. "If I were them I'd test the waters on a trade this summer"
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Definitely wouldn't re-sign him at this age and injury history. Maybe ATL would want his leadership? Try to snag Murray from them?

  

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37. "re: the JJ hire -- what else should the Lakers have done?"
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After Hurley turned down the offer, who should they have hired instead of JJ? It's not as if they had a wide field of options, and they need a coaching overhaul not just for the immediate, but for the long-term.

While the comparison to Riley is imperfect, it's also the case that critics excoriated the Lakers for making that hire as Riles was unproven, "too young", and had no remarkable substantive coaching experience.

But the comparison I think is more apt is to Steve Kerr, who also was an analyst before becoming a coach, and was clowned when the hire was made. "Wasn't a great player"; "no experience"; "too many better coaches available" etc...

Both JJ & Kerr aren't just meticulous analysts who really relish deep diving into the game, but they also are adept at relationship building and understanding personalities having both been around great players and coaches at the highest level. Both also aren't afraid to speak their minds and don't shy away from confrontation with great players.

There will be rough moments as JJ is being thrown to a high controversy franchise with win-now expectations (even if those expectations are overblown/unfair for a team that's had to play-in to the playoffs of recent vintage) - but he knows the modern game, has fostered great relationships wherever he's been, clearly has a drive to analyze and deeply study the game/strategy/matchups/sets etc. - and I think he'll be able to handle the intense learning curve/media frenzy given his competitive nature.

Also - for those who watched the Lakers consistently in the Ham era, they grew weary of seeing other teams constantly run successful sets and adjust, while the Lakers just stood still with questionable (at best) rotations and no viable sets; no quality sets out of timeouts; stubbornly starting/holding on to rotations that weren't bearing fruit etc. It became glaringly clear that the Lakers had a coaching disadvantage against nearly every team they faced.

Will JJ solve that? Unclear, but the players lost faith in Ham, and a change had to occur. Lakers are betting on the young, dynamic new guy - and that's also sort of on-brand for the franchise.

Just because the resume is light doesn't mean he won't succeed. I'm more bullish on the Redick era. Sure, it's a gamble, but when you look at the field of options available, the hire makes more sense. I think there will be more buy-in from the players, and that could give Redick the timeline needed to excel.

  

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38. "You really ignoring Kerr in the front office for awhile?"
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39. "No the FO experience in Phoenix is obviously relevant"
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but again - does being a minority owner of a team and a GM for a few years prepare you to be a head coach? Not too many former GMs/Execs out there who went on to become successful coaches.

Point is that Kerr also didn't have substantive coaching experience prior to GS, but many predicted he'd be successful nonetheless not just because of his time as an exec and an analyst (he was an analyst after his time with Phoenix, so he was also hired while working as an analyst) - but because of who he was and the aggregate non-coaching experience/attributes he brought to the table.

But the question remains: who should the Lakers have hired instead? Cassell? Monty?

  

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40. "Thing is…who knows?"
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He could be Pat Riley, Kerr, or even Kidd…but the money is on that he’s more Steve Nash or Luke Walton (who had much more experience, obv). We don’t REALLY know enough about how these coaches really work outside of track record. There’s no point in being mad about it, but he’s absolutely set up for failure - this just isn’t really a desirable job. I’m ok with going with a new dude who isn’t a retread like Monty, etc but would have honestly preferred someone who hasn’t been a HC but has been an assistant like Sam Cassell.

I also liked Ham more than most tho so…

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41. "^^^ yup."
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this job is a dumpster fir right now. I don't see how jj helps. I would've also preferred Cassell.

comparing jj to Kerr or Kidd doesn't seem fair. those two have chip experience. kerr was a key role player the greatest teams/players ever, while kidd was also one of the best at during his time. jj was none of that.

I like jj as a player, analyst, even podcaster. just don't think this was the right move for the team.

again, hopefully I'm wrong.

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47. "This is the 8th Laker coach in 12 years."
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All 7 of the previous coaches had serious coaching experience, and they were still swiftly shown the door. May as well try one without coaching experience!

(I'm 75% joking.)

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48. "While this is true - how many of those are coaching right today?"
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49. "... I'd say five of the last seven? "
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Brown's a head coach, Ham's an assistant for the Bucks, Walton's an assistant for the Cavs, Vogel was a head coach less than two months ago and will undoubtedly be on someone's staff before next season, and D'Antoni is a coaching advisor for the Pels (which, given his age, makes sense imo).

Byron Scott's the only one who doesn't seem to be working in basketball anymore.

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50. "You’re correct. "
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I only thought Brown had a job to be honest. Forgot Ham is with the Bucks, didn’t even remember Luke or Mike Dantoni had a job, and of course Vogel just got fired. My bad.

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43. "Sam Cassell, Adrian Griffin, Kenny Atkinson, and James Borrego"
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are better coaching candidates than JJ Redick. Sam Cassell has 15 years of NBA coaching experience. Adrian's last team fired him over a losing streak despite a winning record. Kenny Atkinson and James Borrego have more experience than JJ as well.

None of those candidates come with baggage like an abortion contract, alleged n word use, or trashing AD in the media.

Word on the street is JJ is one of the lowest paid coaches in the league as he should be.


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45. "RE: Sam Cassell, Adrian Griffin, Kenny Atkinson, and James Borrego"
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>None of those candidates come with baggage like an abortion
>contract, alleged n word use, or trashing AD in the media.

"Alleged n word use"? Can you show your work on that?

>Word on the street is JJ is one of the lowest paid coaches in
>the league as he should be.

Lakers historically haven't come out of pocket with top dollar offers (one of the reasons they missed out on Ty Lue) - but in this instance it makes sense for JJ to not lead the way in terms of salary. Lakers didn't offer him as much as they offered Hurley. He also still took the job even after the Lakers went big-game hunting with Hurley to where JJ had to accept being plan B. Those are both good signs IMO suggesting JJ is coming in knowing he has a lot to prove and not expecting to be courted as if he's already a made man as a coach.


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59. "here's the story."
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https://x.com/halleemah/status/1805634597108998650

Halleemah Nash
@halleemah
I’ve only been called the N word to my face by a white man once in my life and it was on the campus of Duke University while I was doing work with the basketball team. And today he was named the new head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers. What a world.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2024/6/25/24186108/jj-redick-denies-n-word-use-slur-allegations-lakers-coach



Within a few hours, TMZ had gotten a denial of the story from Redick’s team:

We reached out to Redick’s camp for a response to the claim ... and they completely shut it down.

“No, it never happened,” a spokesperson tells TMZ Sports

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46. "JJ is making the same as Doc, Nurse, Malone, Kidd"
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And more than Carlisle and what Lue made this year.

He’s tied for 7th highest paid in the league.

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51. "LMAO@word on the street, AKA I just made this up, just now"
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-Sig-

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42. "so Kenny Atkinson it is! "
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I am not mad at this pick.

The offense will be better. Mobley and Allen will be even better with him as coach.

He got the rawest of deals due to The Snake and Kyrie when he was in "Woke-Man" mode.

Now he will get the chance to do it again with a team that is already good but has some kinks to work out.

Now for Donovan to re-sign so we can really get moving.

(I hope Kenny's development reputation doesn't mean the Cavs pick some jabroni like Furphy though)

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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52. "the Knicks just traded away the next decade for Mikal Bridges"
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53. "Four unprotected firsts and a pick from the Bucks?"
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For their sake, they need to be in the championship picture or they look like assholes. Again.

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55. "This is absolutely a "we're all in" move."
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I... kinda don't think it's enough? But hey, it's probably the most relevant the Knicks have been since, like, Peak Carmelo.

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56. "Totally agree. "
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I respect the move. And hell…could he be their missing piece? Sure! It’s not LIKELY, but it’s possible. He’s a nice piece but I cannot think this gets them past Boston even slightly.

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60. "Depending on the final roster"
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the Knicks should have better depth than Boston; but like I said in my response to the trade, I want to wait until the Knicks make all their moves before opining on this trade.

As it stands today, Boston's starting five is still a notch above the other Eastern conference teams, especially defensively.

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63. "half the team will be dealing with soft tissue issues by Valentine's Day"
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64. "let’s assume all the teams in the east are fully healthy "
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They’re not better than
Boston
Philly
Milwaukee

Are they better than
Cleveland
Miami
Orlando


??

Even that is debateable


I like this trade for us . Let them live out their frat boy collegiate fantasies for a yearly second round exit while we rebuild for a stable future devoid of star chasing and failing or depending on role players (albeit very good ) like mikael bridges to lead us to the promised land

Win win for everyone

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68. "more relevant easily. Peak Melo had JR Smith as a running mate."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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54. "Can the Knicks re-sign OG?"
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I assume Robinson is gone.

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65. "yes. likely they let I-Hart walk"
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since they can only offer him so much, and they go after Drummond or someone similar.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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57. "We got rid of a role player for 4 unprotected firsts? Lmfao Knicks dumb ..."
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58. "IMO, the Knicks gave up a lot"
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especially if it's true that Mikal recently asked to get traded to the Knicks, but I'll wait until the Knicks are done making moves before giving any kind of final judgement on this trade.

I'm most interested in two aspects now for the Knicks 1) what the final roster will look like after all major moves are done and 2) if the Knicks will be above the second apron after all is said and done.

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61. "the amount of draft capital they gave up for Bridges is crazy."
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basically Gobert level, and everyone thought that was WILD.

  

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71. "OG coming back..5/212.5"
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66. "now that the Nets are finally moving on, Cam Johnson will be ours"
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I don't even care if the Cavs give up #20 for him.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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69. "Won't the Nets want draft picks?"
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I'm assuming the Nets will ask for picks for their players outside of Ben Simmons as a condition for taking part in their fire sale; I could be wrong of course.

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70. "Seeing "experts" connecting PG with Golden State. You like that? (c)"
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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72. "This crew on ESPN doing the draft ain’t it."
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73. "Knecht falling to the Lakers is massive, man."
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I think he’s a top 5 prospect in this class. Terrific scorer and floor spacer.

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74. "Agreed"
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>I think he’s a top 5 prospect in this class. Terrific
>scorer and floor spacer.

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75. "#9! Good for you Zach, no one deserves it more"
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Just love this dude, he’ll have a 10 year career, no one works harder, and he we’ll finda profitable niche

  

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76. "easily. as someone said, at worst he's a better Boban."
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if Boban can make a 10 year career in the NBA, Edey can for sure.

  

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