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Frank Longo
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"Poll question: Who has more help?"


  

          

There’s a correct answer btw.

Poll result (13 votes)
Dame (11 votes)Vote
Luka (2 votes)Vote

  

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
It’s close, but it’s Dame.
Jun 03rd 2021
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Lillard.
Jun 03rd 2021
2
Dame
Jun 03rd 2021
3
Dame
Jun 03rd 2021
4
You just had to make this bullshit poll on
Jun 03rd 2021
5
You really just said Tim Jr is similar to Mccollum? Lmao
Jun 03rd 2021
6
RE: You really just said Tim Jr is similar to Mccollum? Lmao
Jun 03rd 2021
9
      Full stats for McCollum and Hardaway Jr.:
Jun 03rd 2021
17
           It’s called rounding to the nearest hundred
Jun 03rd 2021
18
                You rounded up THJ's 39.1% to 40%.
Jun 03rd 2021
20
                     Okay.
Jun 03rd 2021
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So, as far as mornings go...NOT as good as yesterday, or...?
Jun 03rd 2021
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Make sure you stock up on Kleenex
Jun 03rd 2021
11
      I’ll take that as a no.
Jun 03rd 2021
13
The irony of you calling someone out for pushing "some agenda shit"
Jun 03rd 2021
8
All of your posts: lebron is king
Jun 03rd 2021
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Simon Says...
Jun 03rd 2021
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      Your L train leaves the station tonight.
Jun 03rd 2021
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           Shit happens. I'll live, but you'll be trapped in 2011.
Jun 03rd 2021
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                Go look at the front page of the board.
Jun 03rd 2021
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                     Psst.. Note the "extreme" qualifier.
Jun 03rd 2021
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                          Fock
Jun 03rd 2021
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                               You have the same responses to all detailed replies
Jun 03rd 2021
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Now that they're both out, let's casually up this.
Jun 06th 2021
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In light of today's news, what's the correct answer now?
Jun 25th 2021
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I'd say that's a reflection on how bright Dallas' future is
Jun 25th 2021
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Right. It's about Luka, and it's about Kidd having won a ring there.
Jun 25th 2021
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I think Dirk was probably a factor, he's the one person that has both...
Jun 25th 2021
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I was reading somewhere online
Jun 25th 2021
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      I heard that too
Jun 25th 2021
31
Aint no one trying to live in Portland
Jun 25th 2021
28
Kidd said he wasn't interested in Por bc Dame publicly endorsed him
Jun 25th 2021
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      yeah a lot goes on behind the scenes before Woj or anybody else knows...
Jun 25th 2021
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Dame hasn't played a season without another 20ppg scorer
Jun 25th 2021
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Ryan M
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1. "It’s close, but it’s Dame. "
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CJ is a borderline all star. Nurk is real good. And Melo is the vet leadership.

KP is just a guy now, and THJ is a broke CJ

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2. "Lillard."
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Dallas' second and third best players are Zingis and Hardaway Jr. They're starting a few guys who have no business in a starting line-up.

Portland's #2 is McCollum. #3 is either Trent Jr., Nurkic, or Powell. And they've got Melo. Covington is also respectable. That's not great depth, but it's better than the Mavs.

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3. "Dame"
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However Portland drew a matchup with a team that shows out in the playoffs. Dallas drew a matchup with a team that turtles up.

  

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4. "Dame"
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Thu Jun-03-21 07:34 AM by Sofian_Hadi

          

kristaps porzingis sucks now. I guess Tim Jr is their second best player? I dont even know. Its shocking the Clippers with two bona fides are getting beat.....because of one man.

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5. "You just had to make this bullshit poll on "
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Thu Jun-03-21 08:10 AM by allStah

          

some agenda shit, trying to upgrade one player while degrading another one.

Trash. That’s where this poll should go

And for the record, it’s even

Hardaway Jr/CJ - similar
Porzingis/Nurkic- similar
Brunson/Powell - similar
Finney Smith/Covington -similar
Benches are also similar.

Also you forgot the “I’m white” option for yourself...Delete this bullshit thread.





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6. "You really just said Tim Jr is similar to Mccollum? Lmao"
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Yeah this fits in a long line of garbage takes you've had

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9. "RE: You really just said Tim Jr is similar to Mccollum? Lmao"
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Thu Jun-03-21 09:57 AM by allStah

          

They are not that far off...and are pretty much the same.

Both SGs, both are shit on defense.

Tim: 17ppg/45pct fg/ 40 pct 3pt
CJ: 23ppg/ 46 pct fg/ 40 pct 3pt

Also, I rounded up for both players.


You were saying?

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17. "Full stats for McCollum and Hardaway Jr.:"
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>Tim: 17ppg/45pct fg/ 40 pct 3pt
>CJ: 23ppg/ 46 pct fg/ 40 pct 3pt

You didn't round up for all stats on both players. Notably, you rounded Hardaway Jr.'s 3P% from 39.1% to 40%... but you didn't round CJ's 3P% of 40.2% or his PPG of 23.1 up in the same way.

So here are the complete, unrounded stats, so people can make their own decisions on factual statistics.

Tim Hardaway Jr.

Per game:
16.6 PTS
3.3 REB
1.8 AST
.4 STL
.2 BLK
.9 TOV

%s:
FG: 44.7%
3PT: 39.1%
FT: 81.6%
REB: 6.4%
AST: 9.8%
STL: .8%
BLK: .5%
TOV: 6.1%

Advanced:
Win Shares: 4.3
Win Shares per 48: .105
OBPM: 1.9
DBPM: -1.8
BPM: .1
VORP: 1.1

CJ McCollum:

Per game:
23.1 PTS
3.9 REB
4.7 AST
.9 STL
.4 BLK
1.4 TOV

%s:
FG: 45.8%
3PT: 40.2%
FT: 81.2%
REB: 6.2%
AST: 23%
STL: 1.3%
BLK: 1.2%
TOV: 6.5%

Advanced:
Win Shares: 4.7
Win Shares per 48: .141
OBPM: 4.9
DBPM: -1.5
BPM: 3.3
VORP: 2.1

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18. "It’s called rounding to the nearest hundred"
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Thu Jun-03-21 02:33 PM by allStah

          

So why would I round up 23.1? That would get rounded down. Lol
I thought hardaways ppg was 16.5 which is why I rounded up.

I rounded up CJ’s FG pct to 46 pct because it was at
45.8

So there was no favoritism here.

Their fg pct and 3pt pct are damn near identical.


Also hardaway is avg 28 mins a game ...and CJ is getting 34 mins a game.

Luka is getting the same help at that position.

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20. "You rounded up THJ's 39.1% to 40%."
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It's right at the top of my post. Do you not see how that's a notable mistake?

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21. "Okay."
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Thu Jun-03-21 03:02 PM by allStah

          

My bad.

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7. "So, as far as mornings go...NOT as good as yesterday, or...?"
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11. "Make sure you stock up on Kleenex "
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you will be crying tonight.

Also play Lisa Lisa and cult jam ...”all cried out over you(lebron)”




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13. "I’ll take that as a no. "
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8. "The irony of you calling someone out for pushing "some agenda shit" "
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>some agenda shit, trying to upgrade one player while
>degrading another one.

Gosh - who spends all their time trying to push agendas and degrade players?


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10. "All of your posts: lebron is king "
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Please stop. You’re embarrassing yourself.

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12. "Simon Says..."
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SHUT THE FUCK UP!

  

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14. "Your L train leaves the station tonight."
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don’t be late.

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15. "Shit happens. I'll live, but you'll be trapped in 2011."
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Most of us outgrew the Extreme Agenda Wars! nonsense awhile ago.

Maybe you missed out on the golden age or what have you, but keep hanging on, lol.

  

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16. "Go look at the front page of the board."
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Thu Jun-03-21 01:23 PM by allStah

          

PG Wars

Dame vs Luka...which is this thread. Lol

Apologize to Westbrook.

Same shit as 2011 ...lol

And if the lakers were winning you would be talking shit.

Sports has always been about agendas and always will.....

You just said a lot of incorrect stuff because you have nothing else to offer.
y’all losing, so now you are politicizing about being civilized?

FOH

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19. "Psst.. Note the "extreme" qualifier. "
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*YOU* do this shit in a largely different way from most. You're one of the most obtuse people that has ever existed here.


>You just said a lot of incorrect stuff

Please point out all the "incorrect stuff". You said that I said "a lot" of it, so you should have plenty to pull from.

>y’all losing, so now you are politicizing about being
>civilized?

I said nothing of the sort. I never said anything about you being uncivilized. Mostly, you're an obtuse buffoon who posts like a parody of the dumbest message board tactics of the early 2010's.

In fact, if we're keeping it 100, the only times in recent memory that I've taken anyone to task over a lack of civility, have been in defense of you, when I thought people were going overboard in their criticism of you.

-Frank's tone deaf, delusional, hypocritical and self-righteous declaration that he and circlejerk of ex-OKS poAsters won't come back because you destroyed the boards, despite that happening long before you came back.

-Ryan's mental health jab, which he admitted was a bridge to far, and would have taken it out were he able to edit.

I don't care if you're being uncivil. I care about whether or not you say shit that's actually true and contextually valid. You generally do neither whenever you have a personal issue with the subject matter.

The end.

  

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22. "Fock"
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Thu Jun-03-21 03:00 PM by allStah

          

I knew you were going to write a dissertation.

I shouldn’t have responded.

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23. "You have the same responses to all detailed replies"
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Thu Jun-03-21 03:47 PM by Cold Truth

  

          

That call you out on your BS.

It's not subtle either.

Any time you're shown to be wrong about something, or someone is explaining something to you that you disagree with, you have a similar reply.

I.E, Frank explained a pretty significant rounding error on your part, and you wrote "eye roll" or some shit. You've since edited, but that was your initial reply.

You deal in bad faith. You're not an idiot, but you're habitually incapable of being honest and objective in ways that go far beyond passionate fandom.

Also... when I said "extreme agenda wars", apart from the qualifier, it was in response to your "agenda shit" comment, when you've the biggest, most obvious- and oblivious- agenda poster around for the last year or two. By miles.

  

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24. "Now that they're both out, let's casually up this. "
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25. "In light of today's news, what's the correct answer now?"
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Pretty interesting that Kidd instantly turned down the Portland job when rumors were swirling around about him taking that spot, but he takes the gig with Dallas instead with no problems. I suppose he does have some history with the Mavericks, so I guess that make for some difference there.

It would be hilarious if Kidd burns any bridges with Dallas to get another coaching gig similar to how he did with the Nets to nab that Bucks job.

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26. "I'd say that's a reflection on how bright Dallas' future is"
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specifically because of how young Luka still is. They can get rid of everyone else and it'd probably still be the more desirable job for that reason alone. Portland has a better roster at the moment, but they're really just scrambling to save the Dame era. Wouldn't be surprised if they're blowing things up a year from now... or even a month from now if Dame/McCollum don't like their choice of coach.

  

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33. "Right. It's about Luka, and it's about Kidd having won a ring there."
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It's not really a question about the supporting rosters of each team.

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27. "I think Dirk was probably a factor, he's the one person that has both..."
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Cuban's and Luka's ears. Kidd helped him get a ring so that relationship is there.

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29. "I was reading somewhere online"
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that Rick Carlisle pretty much wanted Kidd to succeed him as well because of all the roots he had in Dallas.

The snippet I read was very odd since it isn't common for a former coach to campaign for someone else to take his spot.

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31. "I heard that too"
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28. "Aint no one trying to live in Portland"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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30. "Kidd said he wasn't interested in Por bc Dame publicly endorsed him"
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i figured he already had a gig lined up

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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32. "yeah a lot goes on behind the scenes before Woj or anybody else knows..."
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about it, word was probably already out that Carlisle was moving and Cuban/Dirk had probably already reached out to Kidd through back channels

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34. "Dame hasn't played a season without another 20ppg scorer"
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