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"From Stacy Adams to Gators, Bulls hire Billy Donovan"


          

Everybody is about to EAT!!!

I wanted Atkinson, but Billy is good. Players will be developed.

There was a madness to OKC hyping!!!

  

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Was kinda hoping a brotha would get it.
Sep 22nd 2020
1
We are not rebuilding. We are building.
Sep 22nd 2020
3
Nobody on this team is untouchable.
Sep 22nd 2020
11
      You have a point.
Sep 22nd 2020
13
It’s nice to have your choice of jobs
Sep 22nd 2020
4
Don’t come here starting that shit
Sep 22nd 2020
5
      YOU’RE saying this????? YOU????
Sep 22nd 2020
8
           No. I’m talking about the racism angle.
Sep 22nd 2020
9
I felt the same way...then I remembered who our owner is
Sep 23rd 2020
22
I fw it. Excited to see what Billy can do with a more receptive team
Sep 22nd 2020
2
If they give him time, he could be a monster there.
Sep 22nd 2020
6
He was HANDED a Finals team
Sep 22nd 2020
12
And yet, his teams have remained good.
Sep 23rd 2020
16
      Westbrook didn’t “leave”, he was traded for a HOFer lol
Sep 23rd 2020
19
           Westbrook is *also* a HOFer. A four-years-younger HOFer.
Sep 23rd 2020
24
                just like Donovan, Westbrook hasn't been anywhere since KD left...
Sep 23rd 2020
25
                     *thumbs up*
Sep 23rd 2020
30
the Bulls will regret it if they let Dunn walk
Sep 22nd 2020
14
      Nope. Harrison is better.
Sep 23rd 2020
15
      I cannot imagine Donovan playing Lauri at the 5.
Sep 23rd 2020
17
      Yeah, Lauri is weak defensively.
Sep 24th 2020
38
      lol somebody needs to be fined for listing Shaq Harrison at 6'7
Sep 23rd 2020
27
           You can’t be serious. I watched that dude every night.
Sep 23rd 2020
29
                you watched him every night but thought he was 6'7?
Sep 23rd 2020
31
                Dude I just posted statistical proof that Harrison Is better
Sep 23rd 2020
34
                Those caveats the writer makes do matter a lot, though.
Sep 23rd 2020
32
                     There is this thing called the eye test.
Sep 23rd 2020
35
      Dunn was second in the *NBA* in defensive +/- last year...
Sep 23rd 2020
18
      Dunn is a bum man
Sep 23rd 2020
23
           how many Bulls games did you watch this season?
Sep 23rd 2020
26
           Dunn and Billy are Providence alums. Dunn ain't going anywhere.
Nov 03rd 2020
40
                Oh,snap.
Nov 03rd 2020
41
Initial reaction was disappointment and confusion but I get it now
Sep 22nd 2020
7
Yup.
Sep 22nd 2020
10
Billy Donovan should say thank you to Chris Paul, basically
Sep 23rd 2020
20
exactly he needs to send him a check
Sep 23rd 2020
21
      What?
Sep 23rd 2020
28
           Who gives a fuck?
Sep 23rd 2020
33
                RE: Who gives a fuck?
Sep 23rd 2020
36
                     Other than Brad Stevens most coaches have went back to college...
Sep 23rd 2020
37
                     Calipari chose Kerry Kittles over Kobe lol
Nov 03rd 2020
42
                          abysmal???
Nov 03rd 2020
43
DuSable HS Mo Cheeks returns to Chicago
Nov 02nd 2020
39
Kris Dunn is gone like we talked about.
Nov 16th 2020
44
They just let Shaq walk today too, lol.
Nov 16th 2020
45
WTF. They just let him walk 24 mins ago.
Nov 16th 2020
46
Can Denzel stay healthy?
Nov 16th 2020
47
This is true. But he did look strong last season
Nov 17th 2020
50
don't like these moves, but I'll wait to see how they fill out the roste...
Nov 17th 2020
48
I’m concerned. Our perimeter defense just went down
Nov 17th 2020
51
they think they are getting someone next year. LOL.
Nov 17th 2020
49
Well, that shit was wack.
Nov 18th 2020
52
Marko
Nov 19th 2020
53
Garrett Temple is the veteran PG.
Nov 20th 2020
54
I thought he was more a 2
Nov 21st 2020
55
      Exactly.
Nov 21st 2020
56
           I liked this line from Cody Westerlund:
Nov 21st 2020
57
Bulls signed Devon Dotson to a two-way contract.
Nov 23rd 2020
58
Bulls might go 0-10 to start season
Dec 04th 2020
59
RE: Bulls might go 0-10 to start season
Dec 04th 2020
60
      I saw this exact roster lose opening day to Charlotte
Dec 04th 2020
61
           sounds about right re: endgoal
Dec 04th 2020
62
                Next Year’s draft is going to be two rounds deep
Dec 04th 2020
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LeroyBumpkin
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1. "Was kinda hoping a brotha would get it."
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But I'm excited about Donovan.
Strange how this doesn't feel like a Paxson/Foreman move.
Also odd that one of the reasons Donovan didn't want to stay
in OKC was because he wasn't interested in rebuilding.
We have a core but...

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3. "We are not rebuilding. We are building."
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There is a huge difference. OKC is about to get rid of pieces to start their rebuilding process. We have already moved on from that phase. The pieces we have just need to be developed.

Markkannen, Coby White....even Porter and Harrison all
need to be developed and redeveloped.

I like most of our pieces, except for Lavine. I just think he is a foregone conclusion.
I wonder if we could do a like for like trade with someone like Brooklyn for Levert.
I want a player who can score and defend....there are also Paul George trade rumors swirling around. And I would love to get my hands on Kelly Oubre, hearing rumors out of there as well.

Coby White wants to be the starting PG, but there is a lot of responsibility with that. Kid can score, but can he facilitate and get others involved? Lavine and Coby lack that ability, and just looked to score. Coby avg 2.7 assist a game, Lavine avg 4. Just trash ass assist numbers.

Also, I’m hearing Minnesota might be open to trading the number 1 pick For Lavine. I don’t know about that. We don’t need Ball, and I’m not sold on Wiseman.....I want something already established for Lavine.

  

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11. "Nobody on this team is untouchable."
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Outside of maybe LaVine, we're still trying to find out what we have.
That to me says we're rebuilding.

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13. "You have a point."
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I feel Laurie and Coby are pretty much untouchable right now.

But hopefully we get this right. I am willing to give it 3-5 years.

Playoffs in year 2. Round 2 in year 3. In year 4 or 5, conference finals /finals

  

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4. "It’s nice to have your choice of jobs"
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5. "Don’t come here starting that shit"
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It doesn’t apply here. We needed development and we got it.

Too much happiness. Go worry about those bum ass lakers.

  

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8. "YOU’RE saying this????? YOU????"
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9. "No. I’m talking about the racism angle."
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22. "I felt the same way...then I remembered who our owner is"
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But I'm not mad a Donovan. Is a good hire. Better than we've had in a while. Proven track record with young guys and playoff tested.

I'm positive about this. AND Otto comes off the books after next season. Time to draft his replacement with this #4 and put the kids to work.

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2. "I fw it. Excited to see what Billy can do with a more receptive team"
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Not that they didn’t listen but Westbrook and CP3 were definitely the primary voices while he was there. I think he will have more impact in Chi

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6. "If they give him time, he could be a monster there."
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Obviously is a hell of a coach-- 60+% win percentage in OKC during his time there, even in seasons that were supposed to be "down" (this one most of all).

He tends to run a faster pace, 4 out with a defensive minded big in the middle. This would suit guys like White and LaVine-- and would obviously suit Carter, as Donovan's been great at developing those anchor centers throughout his career.

I assume they'll be building around these dudes and Lauri, or at least aiming to do that while Donovan decides who fits his schemes. I'd also love to see them figure out Kris Dunn, whose offense is terrible but whose defense is just great in a way that's positionally fairly rare imo. (That said, it's not like Andre Roberson improved his shooting under Donovan, so maybe that's a lost cause and Dunn will always be a net negative. Sigh. Oh well. I'll cling to hope.)

It definitely is strange that he went to Chicago instead of to a more win-now situation... maybe the money is right. Who knows? But if they tank this year, draft one of the many wings that will be available at their pick, and maybe make some deals for picks in 2021's absolutely-loaded draft (Otto expiring?), he's a good coach and this is a good spot for a fairly swift turnaround.

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12. "He was HANDED a Finals team"
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16. "And yet, his teams have remained good."
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Even after Westbrook left, they're *still* good.

It's almost like... Donovan... is good.

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19. "Westbrook didn’t “leave”, he was traded for a HOFer lol"
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>Even after Westbrook left, they're *still* good.
>
>It's almost like... Donovan... is good.

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24. "Westbrook is *also* a HOFer. A four-years-younger HOFer."
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One who's been to four WCFs compared to Paul's one.

It's wild how this board can flip from "CP3 can't win in the playoffs" to "CP3 is the only reason they won in the playoffs" seamlessly, lol.

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25. "just like Donovan, Westbrook hasn't been anywhere since KD left..."
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but people "blame" Russ for that and at the same time give Donovan "credit" for 4 straight first round exits lol

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30. "*thumbs up*"
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14. "the Bulls will regret it if they let Dunn walk "
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He established himself as a leader in the locker room and is the only player who can effectively guard the other team's top perimeter player. I see him as a Marcus Smart lite and if he's able to develop his shot like Smart did he'll be a huge steal. Even if he doesn't, he can be still make winning plays and let Coby and Zach focus on scoring. Doubt other teams will be throwing money at him but if the Bulls can retain him at a fair price they definitely should. He's much more valuable to the team than Satoransky.

  

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15. "Nope. Harrison is better."
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Harrison provides the same defense and is the better offensive player, and can hit a three. Plus he is bigger, and at 6’7 he can play PG or SG. It’s imperative that we keep him. Harrison is flat out better to me.

Valentine and Dunn can walk.


Donovan is going to implement some type of three guard system, similar to what he had in OKC. He is going to want some serious ball handlers who score and play defense, and Harrison fits the bill, and so does Sato.

I’m hoping we can move Lavine on a like for like deal, but if we don’t. I can see our first year lineup being:

White - Harrison - Lavine - Otto Porter or Young - Markkanen
( similar to Paul- Dennis - Shai - Danilo - Adam )

Lavine is 38 pct three point shooter
White is at 35 pct
Harrison improved to 38 pct
markkanen is at 35 pct

I think billy took the job because he can easily implement his system here.


  

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17. "I cannot imagine Donovan playing Lauri at the 5."
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>Harrison provides the same defense

I actually agree with most of the stuff about Harrison you're saying, but I do *not* think he is the defender Dunn is. Few are, really. Dunn is one of those unlucky sons of bitches that could easily make NBA All-Defense teams if he wasn't such a colossal net negative on offense. But... he is. So I basically agree with the rest.

>I’m hoping we can move Lavine on a like for like deal, but
>if we don’t. I can see our first year lineup being:
>
>White - Harrison - Lavine - Otto Porter or Young - Markkanen
>( similar to Paul- Dennis - Shai - Danilo - Adam )

Problem is, of course, that Lauri is *nothing* like Adams. He's pretty obviously more like Danilo. Plus, Lauri can only play the 5 in short burst special cases, because running an offense with him at the 5 would be dope, he can't defend any but the shrimpiest of NBA 5s because he gets pushed off his position with ease by stronger players.

It's far likelier that Donovan uses Carter-- or, since I know you don't like Carter, Gafford. Or maybe he lets both of those guys walk and they get a different big-- but a big will play the 5. His defensive schemes are predicated upon having that guy inside whose sole purposes are cleaning the glass, setting tough picks, and/or being a goon. He did it with Noah and Haslem and Patric Young. He did it with Adams. He'll do it in Chicago too.

I just can't envision a world in which Lauri ever plays the 5 unless he gains considerable lower body strength/mass. He's just not physical enough to play that part in Billyball.

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38. "Yeah, Lauri is weak defensively. "
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Thu Sep-24-20 06:23 PM by allStah

          

But it wasn’t like Adam was a stopper. As long as Lauri can get boards, I think we can role with it because he is just so offensively talented, and would abuse other 5s

You are right Billy usually rolls with a Goon in the middle. Lauri will never be that, but Lauri really gets ate up at that 4, because 4s are much faster and quicker.

Giannis plays the 4, Tatum plays the 4, Siakam plays the 4....It’s a nightmare.

  

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27. "lol somebody needs to be fined for listing Shaq Harrison at 6'7 "
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He's undersized for a guard and even admits himself that the official listing is bullshit

https://mobile.twitter.com/kcjhoop/status/1187117034943008770?lang=en

I like Shaq too, and if Dunn leaves I guess he's the guy, but he's nowhere near the defender that Dunn is and doesn't have much of an advantage offensively. You're seriously underrating Dunn's defense. He wasn't only one of the best defenders in the league last year, but the ONLY defender that could slow down top players in a weak defense. The Bulls tried slotting Harrison at that role and it didn't work.

  

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29. "You can’t be serious. I watched that dude every night."
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I will just leave you with this, on how comparable shaq’s Defense was to Dunn with less minutes!

“Chicago Bulls guard Kris Dunn made a name for himself with his elite defense during the 2019-20 season. Shaquille Harrison’s contributions were more under the radar, but he provided a similar level of defense, albeit in a much smaller sample size of 11.3 minutes per game in 43 appearances (10 starts).”

Harrison’s defensive metrics are impressive. His 2.80 Defensive Real Plus-Minus places him 15th in the NBA, just a few places behind Dunn. His Defensive RAPTOR just edges Dunn’s mark. His 4.9 deflections per 36 minutes and 2.3 loose balls recovered per 36 minutes rank toward the top of the league, per NBA.com’s hustle stats. He has always been good at racking up steals, and his block percentage also jumped this.

The Bulls actually outscored opponents by 6.8 points per 100 possessions in Harrison’s 484 minutes this season, per NBA.com. That stellar net rating can be credited to Chicago’s 99.7 defensive rating in those minutes. While there are several caveats here, including small sample size and garbage time, Harrison made an impact during his limited minutes.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonpatt/2020/07/21/chicago-bulls-face-decision-defensive-dynamo-shaquille-harrison-offseason/amp/

Like I said Dunn can stroll...him and his broke ass jumper. Harrison is not only better, but cheaper! Statistical proof that The Bulls are better when Harrison is on the floor.

Stop all this Cupid shit with bull
Players....get rid of that dude.

  

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31. "you watched him every night but thought he was 6'7?"
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and Shaq Harrison's jumper is just as bad as Dunn's. He's no replacement for Dunn, and you of all people disagreeing with me only makes me more sure of that.

  

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34. "Dude I just posted statistical proof that Harrison Is better "
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Only thing that matters are numbers, and I just posted an article of scouts
saying that Harrison is better.

Do you have any stats that prove otherwise?

The bulls are statistically better and more dynamic when Harrison is on the floor.
And if you disagree, show me stats. Not what you think or believe. Show Numbers.

And as far as his height goes , I was simply posting what he is listed as. But the point is he is a combo guard who can play PG and SG.

As far as his shooting goes , again, numbers. He improved to 38 pct this season.

So unless you have stats, numbers, scouts, or articles stating otherwise, ain’t shit left to be said. Anything else is an agenda.

I don’t hate Dunn for the record. He just isn’t my type of player.

Harrison is better.

  

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32. "Those caveats the writer makes do matter a lot, though."
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>The Bulls actually outscored opponents by 6.8 points per 100
>possessions in Harrison’s 484 minutes this season, per
>NBA.com. That stellar net rating can be credited to
>Chicago’s 99.7 defensive rating in those minutes. While
>there are several caveats here, including small sample size
>and garbage time, Harrison made an impact during his limited
>minutes.

I would be very interested to see, of those 484 minutes, how many were played when the game was in hand already. You often see players playing small amounts of minutes have exorbitant WS/48 because of precisely those caveats... but coaches don't elevate those players in the rotation precisely because, well, they're caveats.

>Like I said Dunn can stroll...him and his broke ass jumper.
>Harrison is not only better, but cheaper! Statistical proof
>that The Bulls are better when Harrison is on the floor.

I agree that Harrison is better on offense, and because he's cheaper, I agree that you can make the argument that Harrison, if you feel his numbers will translate when given the heavier workload, brings more overall value to the floor than Dunn, especially given the price that Dunn could command on the free market.

But considering Dunn played almost three times Harrison's minutes and still brought impressive, near-league-leading defensive numbers, I don't think you can say Harrison is as good as Dunn on defense. Good enough to the point where his offense makes up the difference? Sure. I buy that. Better than Dunn? Nah.


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35. "There is this thing called the eye test."
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And Harrison passes it. He is just all around more dynamic and brings more energy on the court in my opinion.

Dunn isn’t a Bum. However when he is on the court, he becomes a kyrptonite to the ateam because he can’t shoot. So I’m tired of seeing defenses back way off dude, just to double team other players or pack the paint, because he can’t shoot.

And as the numbers have shown Harrison’s defense is comparable, and he is a hawk in the passing lane, so he is going to rack up steals as well

So I got a guy who is a defensive dynamo and can provide offense, as well as give the team an extra spark, versus a guy who is ONLY a defensive dynamo.

We are having too many conversations over a very simply conclusion.

Shaq is overall better and cheaper, and more versatile.

  

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18. "Dunn was second in the *NBA* in defensive +/- last year..."
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>He established himself as a leader in the locker room and is
>the only player who can effectively guard the other team's top
>perimeter player. I see him as a Marcus Smart lite and if he's
>able to develop his shot like Smart did he'll be a huge steal.
>Even if he doesn't, he can be still make winning plays and let
>Coby and Zach focus on scoring. Doubt other teams will be
>throwing money at him but if the Bulls can retain him at a
>fair price they definitely should. He's much more valuable to
>the team than Satoransky.

... and still had an overall *negative* +/- because his offense is so bad.

Smart isn't a great shooter... but he has a way better A:TO ratio and he shoots something like 83-84% from the FT line. Dunn sadly has to work on more than his shot... otherwise it's hard to imagine a team giving him real playing time as anything other than "off the bench defensive specialist."

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23. "Dunn is a bum man"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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26. "how many Bulls games did you watch this season? "
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He hasn't lived up to his hype at all but is far from a bum and can still contribute to winning basketball.

  

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40. "Dunn and Billy are Providence alums. Dunn ain't going anywhere."
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41. "Oh,snap."
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I forgot all about that.


He better developed the shit out of him.

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7. "Initial reaction was disappointment and confusion but I get it now"
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For the first time since Scott Skiles in 2003 the Bulls have hired a coach with proven head coaching experience at the NBA level. A coach they’ll actually have to pay.

I wanted Unseld Jr. or Udoka. But Donovan, in theory, provides a level of assurance. He knows what he’s doing as a HC from the jump. He also has proven that he doesn’t suck. There will be no first year head coach learning experiences. Our core (or whatever the hell it is) can’t afford learning experiences after the Boylen shitshow. Aside from Coby, these dudes are at a make or break point in their careers so I understand how experience wins out.

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10. "Yup."
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20. "Billy Donovan should say thank you to Chris Paul, basically"
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21. "exactly he needs to send him a check"
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28. "What?"
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Billy won two back to back chips in college. That shit is harder to do than winning a NBA championship, because each game in the tournament is a KO game.

He got the co-sign from Noah. His college players made substantial NBA contributions as players

At OKC, Dort and Bazely evolved, especially in the PO. Yeah Donovan did that.

And he proved that he can handle and coach ELITE players, and he proved that he can have success in the PO.

I don’t want to hear shit about bum ass TY Lue. He ain’t develop shit and was given a finals team. I don’t want to hear Shit about Cassell ( from doc’s tree), and Jacques Vaughn ain’t it. Jason Kidd is the only black coach I would give my time of day to right now. He is proven. But he is in the PO, and is probably holding out for a better job.

And Monty is taken.

  

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33. "Who gives a fuck?"
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>Billy won two back to back chips in college. That shit is
>harder to do than winning a NBA championship, because each
>game in the tournament is a KO game.

That shit is irrelevant in the NBA. Ask Pitino. Ask Cal.

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36. "RE: Who gives a fuck?"
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Lol

Both coaches were successful in the nba!

Both took their teams to the playoffs. Cal had to deal with injuries with the Nets, Pitino was excellent with the Knicks, but wasn’t successful with the Celtics

You still might have time to edit.

  

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37. "Other than Brad Stevens most coaches have went back to college..."
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with their tails between their legs.

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42. "Calipari chose Kerry Kittles over Kobe lol"
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He wa an abysmal failure in NJ with players and front office

>Lol
>
>Both coaches were successful in the nba!
>
>Both took their teams to the playoffs. Cal had to deal with
>injuries with the Nets, Pitino was excellent with the Knicks,
>but wasn’t successful with the Celtics
>
> You still might have time to edit.

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43. "abysmal???"
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Calipari changed the culture with the nets, and took the nets to the playoffs with a 43-39 record, where they had to face Jordan and got swept.

The squad of van horn, Sam Cassell, Kittles, and Jayson Williams were a good ass team. Jayson Williams turned into the best rebounder in the league under him, bagging 86 mil contract.

However, the following season, the nba went through a lockout, and New Jersey came back for that short season with a lot of players injured. And they had a terrible record because of it, but that wasn’t why he was fired.

He was fired for trying to tell the organization how it should operate, and that rubbed upper management the wrong way. He was seen as a young arrogant know it all, so it was easy for the org to use that losing season against him to fire him.


https://www.espn.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=broussard_chris&page=calnbadays-090402

As a 30 something year old coach, he had 1 winning PO season and 2 losing seasons. Far from abysmal, and for a young ass coach at that? Not bad at all, considering the current NBA coaches who have been losing for years.

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39. "DuSable HS Mo Cheeks returns to Chicago"
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Maurice Cheeks
John Longstaff (just recently was in Milwaukee, spent time in NY and OKC)

Chris Fleming must be staying cause they got rid of everyone BUT him.

Should be interesting.

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44. "Kris Dunn is gone like we talked about."
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Denzel is getting extended. I love the moves. Keeping players who can shoot and handle the rock.

Mad respect to Dunn, just offensively bad. I can see him evolving later down the road, wish him well.

Now, let’s see if we can move Porter, since he has opted in on that 27 million. It’s an expiring contract so I’m sure we can package something. We need a big who can run , get boards, and rim protect. A Clint Capela type. Not feeling Wendell.

Note: Shaq has yet to be extended ...but it would be a shock if he isn’t. He is Kris Dunn with a jumper...but why let Dunn walk and not keep shaq? Hopefully, he gets extended soon.

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45. "They just let Shaq walk today too, lol."
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I've gotta think they must have some idea of who they're picking up to let both guys go. Especially since Harrison couldn't have been expensive.

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46. "WTF. They just let him walk 24 mins ago. "
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I’m shocked. I like Denzel, but not over Shaq.

Something has to really be cooking...bro

Let Dunn and Shaq go?

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47. "Can Denzel stay healthy?"
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57, 77 and 36.

Those are the amount of games he's played in his 3 seasons in the league.

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50. "This is true. But he did look strong last season "
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And was more part of the offense.

I like his offensive capabilities and I feel Donovan can develop him.

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48. "don't like these moves, but I'll wait to see how they fill out the roste..."
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Dunn is one of the league's best perimeter defenders and on a team with a core of Zach, Lauri, and Coby, you're gonna need a defensive minded guard.

Denzel hasn't proved anything in 4 years and is another defensive liability.

hope Karnisovas and Eversley have some more moves up their sleeves because these don't make much sense to me yet. Maybe they go for a guard in tomorrow's draft or a 3 and D player like Okoro

  

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51. "I’m concerned. Our perimeter defense just went down "
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Zach is a terrible defender. Maybe Coby can be coached up to defend, but he is not a good defender right now. Sato is decent. Denzel is not good as a defender.

But again maybe these guys can be coached up to defend. They didn’t get any development under Boylen.


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49. "they think they are getting someone next year. LOL."
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52. "Well, that shit was wack."
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Patrick Williams is a kid with upside. His biggest skillset is being able to play defense and guard 1-5. However, he didn’t start in college , is weak offensively, and needs to develop a shot.

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53. "Marko "
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We might have something here.

Jokic/Porzingis like, can dribble, stretch 5, shoot the three, pass, good footwork, fundamentally sound.....looks weak defensively though.

The pick and roll or pick and pop with this dude? Shit.

I feel a little bit better....but it appears he is going to stay overseas until next season.

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54. "Garrett Temple is the veteran PG."
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5milli/1 year.

He is decent, but nothing to shout about from Willis Tower.

That’s it..all FA spots are filled ...unless we eat Fel’s contract.

Carter/Laurie/Otto/Zach/Temple ?

Major bench players: White, Williams, Young, Valentine?



Zero exterior defense...soft in the middle.

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55. "I thought he was more a 2"
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If you search, Beal had very positive things to say about Temple.
I think he was brought on to be a veteran presence for the young guys.

But I see him as more of a 2, not a PG, which we still need.
Granted, I'm on board with giving the ball to White and letting him run.
I want dude to become our next Jamal Murray honestly.
But after letting both Dunn and Shaq go, we're depending on White, Tomas and Arch?

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56. "Exactly."
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He is a 2. However, the Bulls said they were going to FA to get a veteran PG. We have no more FA spots, so either the bulls are going to make a trade, or GT is going to play some point.

He is solid. He was definitely solid in the bubble. He is 34, so he isn’t a long term piece. And his one year deal cost more than the QO they turned down on Shaq. I expected something better.

I’m cool with Sato running point for now, and Coby was brought in by the previous mgt to be a PG. So maybe they are going to go in that direction.

But from a defensive aspect, doesn’t look good.

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57. "I liked this line from Cody Westerlund:"
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"We're really going to find out how bad of a coach Jim Boylen was (or wasn't)."

25 wins tops from this squad (out of 72 games).
That's enough to get a chance to grab a top talent from the loaded 2021 class.

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58. "Bulls signed Devon Dotson to a two-way contract."
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This might be a sneaky brilliant pick up. He is a Chicago kid who went to Kansas, and went un-drafted.

He has elite pg speed in full and half court, and can get in the paint with both feet and finish with either hand. His dribbling is smooth, with a nice ball transition, where he can cross the defender over and blow by him. He is tremendous in isolation.

The negative, and why he went un-drafted: He is not much of a facilitator, opting to take the shot or putting it on the floor in ISO. He can pick and roll, and work off the screen, but he rarely gave up the ball in those situations. He can hit the three and mid range, but he is more of a catch and shoot guy. He is not a good pull up shooter, so defenders may go underneath screens not respecting his shot.

He is small. He is 6’2 with a small wing span, and doesn’t have the physical definition to be much of a defensive presence. So ,basically, he is more of a scoring pg. I think he can become a good facilitator through coaching, but this does not help our perimeter defense at all.

I like him though, another Derrick Rose, Coby White type of player ....with the potential to being developed to be an excellent facilitator. Plus he is another elite dribbler, and Donovan loves him some quick dribbling guards.

Dotson+White+Zach = Paul+Dennis+Shai?






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59. "Bulls might go 0-10 to start season"
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Schedule is out.
I'm excited about the season, but ain't no way
a team that won 22 games last year gonna make it out
of these first 10 games with a win. Maybe Sacramento and one of the Wizard games.

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60. "RE: Bulls might go 0-10 to start season"
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Pipe dream: 7-3

Hoping for : 5-5

The bad: 0-10

But I’m repping and talking mad shit vs them wack ass lakers.....we can lose the rest...just give me that win against the fakers.

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61. "I saw this exact roster lose opening day to Charlotte"
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IND, WAS, SAC are the only ones I could maybe see us winning.

Granted, my end goal for this season isn't playoffs so I guess it doesn't matter.

- Give White tick at the 1.
- See if Lauri shakes the slump.
- Plan for next offseason/draft.

That's it.

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62. "sounds about right re: endgoal"
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More playing time to define your core and then start making changes to the roster at the trade deadline or in the offseason. East is going to be competitive this year so I'd rather play hard and have the younger players improve while falling towards the bottom of the standings than compete for a play-in tournament to ultimately get swept by the #1 seed. Next year's draft is supposed to be stacked and the only hope the Bulls have is drafting a star.

Excited to see what Patrick Williams can do and hoping that WCJ will start to reach his potential playing under a good coach and a real system. Coby has got to grow as a playmaker and this is a make or break year for Lauri.

This team is years away from competing but they should be fun to watch.

  

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63. "Next Year’s draft is going to be two rounds deep"
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Fri Dec-04-20 05:57 PM by allStah

          

So we might as well prepare for battle, and fight for a play-in game. There is no reason to tank. Let the youngins and offense fly. Come Fly With Me 3

Of course it will be similar to Jordan vs. Celtics first round beatdowns, but we got to see Jordan go off in all his glory. I want to see Coby unleashed, and all of our guards running shit like Villanova.

With Dotson, Coby, and Lavine, there should be some serious perimeter scoring.

Porter should be in go-off mode , too, like most players in the last year of their contract.

But, yeah, all eyes on Lauri. Either he will morph into something close to Porzingis or Danilo, or he will get shipped.

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