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"New Auburn scandal. This one might be the best one so far."


  

          

http://www.roopstigo.com/reader/auburns_vainted_title_victims_violations_and_vendettas_for_glory/

By Selena Roberts
Her calls went straight to voicemail. Her texts went unreturned. By mid-morning on March 11, 2011, the mother of Auburn University star safety Mike McNeil felt the shudder of a parental alarm go off in her mind. Where was Melodie Campbell’s son? His college roommates hadn’t seen him. He was absent from team workouts. He hadn’t been admitted to a hospital. Vanished.
Campbell would discover what happened to her son over a timeline that may prove to be a tripwire to imploding a powerful and storied athletic institution. In Auburn, Ala., the influence of its behemoth college football program can be traced by the river of money that flows through the local businesses at Toomer’s Corner and spills into the coffers of millionaire coaches who occupy the 88,0000 square-foot athletics complex. That Campbell was the last to know of her son’s fate over a five-hour search for answers raises serious questions about Auburn University’s role in a felony case and illuminates a culture seemingly unhinged from institutional control:
Noon — Contacting the Auburn city police, Campbell discovers Mike is at the station. Insisting on answers, she is transferred to an official who refers to himself as Capt. Welch. The only Capt. Welch listed on the force is Corey Welch. “At first he gave me the run-around and I said, ‘Look, I’m in Mobile (Ala.). Do I need to get there?’” recalls Campbell. “And he said, ‘Oh, no, Mrs. Campbell, you don’t need to be up here. We’re just waiting for Coach to come. This has been a big misunderstanding, a college prank gone wrong.’ He kept saying, ‘We’re going to handle this internally. We’re not allowing the media to know; and we’re keeping it all under wraps here. Just stay there and wait to get a call from the coach.’ I said, ‘Wait, I have the right to know what my son has been charged with.’ And he said, ‘No, it’s not like that.’”
12:30 p.m. — Campbell’s father, Clifton McNeil, a former NFL receiver with Pro Bowl credentials who helped rear his grandson since Mike was 7 and his father was murdered, calls Capt. Welch to see if he can gather more information. He also is told: “Don’t worry. Everything will be handled internally.” Clifton then calls Mike’s position coach, Tommy Thigpen. “He tells me to ‘hold tight. Coach (Gene) Chizik will call and tell you what’s going on,’” McNeil recalls.
1:30 p.m. — Still unable to reach Mike, the family decides to drive to Auburn. Melodie, her younger son, Pat, Clifton and his wife, Ruby – Melodie’s mother and Mike’s grandmother – climb into an SUV for the 3-hour drive.
3:30 p.m. — Outside of Montgomery, Ala., the family pulls over. Clifton receives a call from Chizik that lasts less than 30 seconds. As Clifton recalls, Chizik says he is sorry but he has to kick Mike off the team because the charges are serious. What charges? Chizik doesn’t say. He only tells Clifton he is about to inform the press.
4 p.m. — As the drive to Auburn continues, a radio report fills in the details that neither Chizik nor police would discuss with the family. Four Auburn players — Mike McNeil, Dakota Mosley, Shaun Kitchens and Antonio Goodwin — have been arrested and charged with five counts of armed robbery. Unknown to the McNeils, Auburn police had disseminated a press release just after the family began its journey to the university. “We had family calling us from California saying it’s all over ESPN,” recalls Campbell. “By the time we got up to Auburn, Mike was being arraigned.”

Antonio Goodwin at trial
On April 8, more than two years later, Mike McNeil is scheduled to go to trial for armed robbery. If convicted, he could face 21 years to life in prison. For two years, Mike has maintained he is innocent of all charges. He has declined plea deals that would allow him to serve three years, even after the first of the four accused players, Antonio Goodwin, was in court last spring and found guilty. Goodwin was sentenced to 15 straight years and is serving his sentence at Kirby Correctional Facility in Montgomery, Ala. “To show you how innocent he is, Mike is willing to go to trial because he says he didn’t do it,” says Ben Hand, who recently was dismissed as McNeil’s attorney after the family formally complained that he had a conflict of interest. “Mike McNeil didn’t rob anyone.”
How did Mike McNeil end up with a trial date on such severe charges? Was he afforded due process? Did police follow proper procedure? Have authorities relied on testimony from five victims that night or their changing accounts months later? For nearly 14 hours after they were first detained at around 12:25 a.m. on March 11, McNeil, Goodwin, Mosley and Kitchens spent most of their time in a holding cell, sometimes sleeping, other times talking to authorities. “They said, ‘We’re not booking y’all,” recalls Mike. “They said, ‘We’re waiting for the coaches.’”

Auburn athletic officials declined comment when contacted by Roopstigo. Auburn police refused comment and referred all questions to District Attorney Robert Treese. Messages left with the Lee County court administrator for Treese went unreturned. Chizik did not answer calls made to a cell phone for him and a spokesperson for ESPN, where he has been a guest analyst, said they could not help reach him.

To this day, no one from the university has talked to the family. After Mike McNeil posted a $511,000 bond, Police Chief Tommy Dawson told McNeil’s then-attorney that even though he was innocent until proven guilty, Mike would be arrested for trespassing if he set foot on campus. “In my 22 years,” Hand said, “I’d never heard of anything like that happening to a student.” In a team meeting, players were told by coaches not to contact any of the accused or risk losing their scholarship. “Mike was like a brother,” says Nieko Thorpe, a former Auburn defensive back who plays for the Kansas City Chiefs. “I wanted to talk to my brother. I’m sure, with all that was going on, he felt betrayed.”

Mike felt isolated and in the crosshairs of a program’s politics. “It made me feel like they were saying, ‘He’s expendable; we can use him as a scapegoat,’” Mike says. Until the robbery allegations, he had never been in legal trouble or termed a problem player. “He was the best teammate you could imagine,” says former Tigers linebacker Daren Bates. “He took me under his wing. He would draw up defenses. And we’d watch film. He was a mentor to everyone.” At 6-2, 208 pounds, Mike was viewed as an NFL prospect after recovering from a broken leg in 2009 to become a star in 2010, capping it with a team-high 14 tackles, including a sack and a touchdown-saving stop, in the BCS Championship against Oregon. He was reared in a two-story brick home in the suburbs of Mobile as a member of a well-respected, spiritual family. “Mike didn’t need money,” Hand said. “There is no motive.”
“Mike didn’t need money,” Hand said. “There is no motive.”

What motive would Auburn have to interfere? In the months leading up to the robbery, Auburn had been dealing with behavioral issues involving players. Allegations that then-quarterback Cam Newton was part of a pay-to-play scheme further fueled the image of a rogue school lacking discipline. “Maybe there is a fear in Auburn’s mind that Michael knows too much,” says Clifton. “Their fear is that Michael will expose the family secret. It’s a way to silence him.”
What NCAA rules?

Mike McNeil can detail how the culture of big-time football works in a fast-growing community of 53,000 under the thumb of its major industry: Auburn University athletics. In an economic impact survey by the school in 2007, the report stated: “a conservative estimate of Auburn football’s direct visitor expenditures is more than $79.6 million during seven home events. That spending generates some $173 million in economic impact.” The university tentacles reach everywhere as the leading employer in Lee County. Chris Hughes, the judge who is scheduled to sit on the bench at Mike’s trial next week, is an Auburn University alumnus. According to his website, he once worked at the university coliseum and his sister is an Auburn University professor. The school is a massive construction zone these days thanks to public funding and the largesse of wealthy alumni, many of whom sit in luxury boxes at Jordan-Hare Stadium, seating capacity 87,451.

As part of the BCS-dominant SEC, Auburn athletics feeds off the more than $3 billion earned by the conference through network and cable TV deals and will be part of an incoming stream of millions more with the SEC TV Network set to launch in 2014. “They recruit you by telling you what you want to hear: You’re family; you’re like a son to me,” says Mike. “But the reality is your class schedule is planned around football, not the other way around. It’s a business and there are players on the payroll.”

McNeil is not alone in understanding how Auburn football operates as an underground society beneath the NCAA’s radar. “Auburn does whatever Auburn wants,” says Thorpe. In interviews with more than a dozen players from the BCS title team, a portrait emerges of a championship tainted by allegations suggesting a program going off the rails:
Academic fraud: Three players say that before the BCS Championship game the team was told that as many as nine of their teammates would not be able to play in the title game because they were academically ineligible.

“We thought we would be without Mike Dyer because he said he was one of them, but Auburn found a way to make those dudes eligible,” says Mike Blanc, a teammate and roommate of Mike McNeil’s. Dyer’s name was cited by McNeil, too. Dyer did not respond to calls to his cell phone. Before the season, McNeil says he was given an F for attendance in a computer science class. “I had B work but I missed too many classes; and I went to the instructor and said, ‘I really need this grade,’” says McNeil. “He said that he was sorry but he wouldn’t change it. I went to the person over him. She was in a position of power and backed up the instructor. I then told my counselor with the athletic department.” Within days, McNeil says, the grade was changed from an F to a C and he did not miss a game.

Payments to players: Receiver Darvin Adams, a star player with NFL dreams and a family to support, wrestled with whether to turn pro after the championship season. He discussed his plans with teammates and told them how much pressure he was under by Auburn coaches to stay. McNeil and Blanc say Auburn coaches offered Adams several thousand dollars to stay for his senior year. “It was sugar-coated in a way,” says Adams, who confirmed he was offered financial incentives, but declined to detail the exact amount. “It was like, we’ll do this and that for you. But I’d rather do things the right way. I am happy I didn’t say yes to that stuff. That’s what I’d tell kids.” Adams turned pro but went undrafted, a result, one NFL scout says, was due to negative reports on him from Auburn coaches. Adams plays for the Toronto Argonauts of the Canadian Football League and refuses to be bitter. “I play the cards I’m dealt,” he says. Other players tell stories of in-season cash payments to players.

“Coaches would say, ‘Don’t tell anyone where you got it from,’’’ says Blanc. McNeil recalls having a difficult day at practice in 2007 and then-defensive coordinator, Will Muschamp, calling him into his office. “I had no clue what it was about because I’d never directly asked him for anything,” says McNeil. “He slid about $400 over to me. He went into a drawer and gave me money and said, ‘Is this enough? Is this good?’ And I said, ‘Yeah, I’m good.’” Muschamp, now the head football coach at the University of Florida, denied the payment through a spokesperson.

“I had no clue what it was about because I’d never directly asked him for anything,” says McNeil. “He slid about $400 over to me. He went into a drawer and gave me money and said, ‘Is this enough? Is this good?’ And I said, ‘Yeah, I’m good.’”

Recruiting violations: The NCAA allows less than $50 a day to be spent by student-athlete recruiters on visiting prospects but McNeil recalls coaches giving him $500 to entertain blue-chip player Dre Kirkpatrick, one of the top prep players in the country in 2008. “This is how it goes: Coaches have certain players that they trust. And when I say trust I mean on the field and off the field,” says McNeil. “It’s within the family. It’s within the system. If I’m a star player and I’m a likable person, and a recruit comes in at my position, then, of course, I’m going to take him under my wing. … If a star recruit was in town, you would get a lot more than the NCAA limit.” As Thorpe said, “A special recruit was treated like a king.”


Coach Chizik
Dread the dreads

Part of playing for Auburn, as McNeil says, was a privilege. But as several former players suggested, there also was a price to play for being high profile. What they wore was under inspection and how they styled their hair was a bone of contention. “When the new coaches came in under Chizik, they implemented new rules and it was kind of no tolerance, but it always seemed to be aimed at the black guys,” says Blanc. “Chizik didn’t like tattoos and he didn’t like dreads.” Players say Chizik asked them to cut their dreadlocks, part of an ongoing culture war within the program – and outside of it. Players describe police as part of the program of surveillance. “We were targeted by police,” says Antoine Carter, Auburn’s former star defensive end. “You’d get harassed. They would pull you over for nothing as a way to keep track of you.” McNeil remembers turning right on red, a legal move, but finding police lights behind him. He says police drew their guns on him over a traffic stop.

What was Auburn so afraid of? Before the BCS title game, dozens of players were being randomly drug tested internally — beyond the NCAA tests for performance enhancers — and coming up positive for marijuana. As players recall, more than 40 players tested positive for recreational drugs after the national championship. Mike did not test positive though he was often tested. Carter says he was tested at least 100 times and, yes, did fail a test. “If you were black and had dreadlocks and tattoos, you were somehow tested more in what was called random testing,” says Carter. “It was ridiculous. Everyone noticed it.”

Although the lauded defensive end will live forever in highlight footage — Carter stripped Mark Ingram and forced a fumble to ignite Auburn’s comeback against Alabama in 2010 — he was overlooked in the draft. The 2010 championship team had only two first-round picks (Cam Newton and Nick Fairley) and two players go in the later rounds that year. By contrast, past title winners such as Alabama and Texas have watched as many as a dozen go in the draft. “The difference,” says one NFL scout, “is what you hear about players.” Carter wonders if his positive drug test from Auburn’s internal testing has obstructed his NFL path. “The coaches had a lot of say-so with scouts,” says Carter. “Chizik didn’t like anyone who didn’t fit a certain image.”

Players’ access to marijuana — including a synthetic version called spice — leads back to the crime scene.
The high life

A trailer home on Wire Road was a hotspot for drug activity, players say. “From everything I know, drugs flowed freely from there,” says Blanc. “It wasn’t a secret that, if someone wanted something, they could get it there.” Just after midnight of March 11, 2011, a 911 call came from the home: Five people inside had been robbed by three black men.
“From everything I know, drugs flowed freely from there,” says Blanc. “It wasn’t a secret that, if someone wanted something, they could get it there.”

In the darkness of that early morning, the dashboard video of an Auburn city police car reveals grainy images of four players — one white male, three black males —being asked to emerge from a silver Chrysler 300 on a dirt road. The car owner was McNeil but Mosley was in the driver’s seat. With hands raised, they stepped from the vehicle. Within minutes, the five victims, who had not identified their intruders with detail on the 911 call, were brought by police to see the suspects standing in the dark in handcuffs. Show-up lineups are controversial because of their suggestive nature and Hand filed a motion to suppress evidence, arguing the traffic stop was illegal and identification was inadmissible. Judge Hughes denied the motion. In the car, police found an air pistol and a handgun under a seat with no fingerprints on it. The gun belonged to Auburn star running back Mike Dyer. He stated he had been smoking synthetic marijuana earlier in the night with Mosley, Kitchens and Goodwin. His gun would not be sent to the lab for DNA testing, according to transcripts from the Goodwin trial.

Over the next three hours, the players were taken to a holding cell while the victims gave differing statements: It was a robbery with three masked men and three semi-automatic pistols or three men and one gun; it was a robbery with three men who left out the back door or left out the front; it was a robbery with one victim running to the bathroom with a gun pointed at her or one victim running by herself to a bedroom.
After distilling statements from the victims, a police report was released by the city police around 1:30 p.m. — while the McNeils were traveling to Auburn — and described the arrest as follows: “At approximately 12:25 a.m. this same date (March 11) officers responded to a residence located in the 2300 block of Lee Road 137 (Wire Road) in reference to the report of a robbery that had just occurred. According to the five victims present, three black males entered the residence with one displaying a handgun. Personal property was taken. No injuries were reported.”

In police statements, Goodwin admitted to holding a BB gun by his side. In Goodwin’s trial, testimony from witnesses including Dyer reveal a night of spice and plotting by Mosley to “hit a lick” (rob someone) with Kitchens and Goodwin in the room. At no point did anyone describe McNeil in the room as a knowing party to an armed robbery. In his statement to police, McNeil, who says he was never read his Miranda rights, is the only one of the accused to not to have provided written acknowledgement of his rights. He stated to police that he believed he left his house to go with Mosley, Kitchens and Goodwin to get something to eat. “Dakota said he wanted to drive to see if a friend of his was home,” Mike stated. “Dakota told me that his friend had some money and that he was going to get the money.” McNeil said he realized Goodwin went into the trailer with a “fake gun” and, after a few minutes, went inside the trailer with a black T-shirt over his face and saw “Antonio was holding a gun down by his side” and told Kitchens to “come on.”

According to Hand, McNeil’s former attorney, prosecutors intend to put a gun in McNeil’s hand during trial even though it contradicts early witness statements and the original release by police. “All of the descriptions have, let’s say, evolved,” says Hand.
Hand is familiar with many aspects of the case. He represented Tyler Smith on drug trafficking charges, which he pleaded down to a misdemeanor. Smith owned the trailer and his credibility will be at issue if he is called to testify. Although he wasn’t home at the night of the robbery, it was Smith’s lockbox that was taken. It would test positive for marijuana residue. The McNeils do not believe Hand represented their best interest by taking the Smith case and have sought new counsel for Mike’s trial.

Living on
Inside the living room of the McNeil home, next to a brick fireplace, Mike plays a mini game of catch with his pig-tailed daughter, who turned 5 this week. “We went to her school and ate cupcakes,” says Mike. “It was fun.” As a father, he says he can’t stand the thought of what might happen if he is found guilty and sentenced to 21 years to life. “My daughter is the most amazing part of my life,” he says. His friends describe him as a genuine Christian, active in the Fellowship of Christian Athletes at Auburn, and a solid father. “He puts his daughter first,” says Blanc. “When we lived together, he was always the responsible teammate, the one other young guys could look up to.”

No one in the McNeil family would say Mike displayed good judgment in putting himself in a bad position during the night of the robbery. “But does that add up to 21 to life?” says Clifton, Mike’s grandfather. “Why so harsh? Why has he been portrayed the way he has when everyone knows what’s been in the media is wrong?”

In a news piece for Al.com (representing The Birmingham News, Press-Register and The Huntsville Times), a story dated May 21, 2011, ran with this headline: “Former Auburn Player Mike McNeil Was Twice Evicted, Facing Lawsuit When Alleged Armed Robbery Took Place.” The story circulated around the Web to sites such as SB Nation, where its blogger noted: “Committing felonies, especially those involving firearms is usually a really bad idea, but at least this development gives the public a little bit of perspective. Last week, most people were probably wondering, ‘Why would those guys do something so stupid?’ Well…now you know, I guess.”

There was one major omission in the story: McNeil and his teammates, Mike Blanc and Nieko Thorpe, were on the leases but not behind on their rent. Their rent checks were cut from their Auburn scholarships. “All of our rent was paid up two months in advance, but our scholarship doesn’t cover someone else’s rent,” says Blanc. The fourth person on the lease, who was not a player, was the individual who was behind but Al.com did not note that fact and did not receive confirmation of its information from the leasing agencies or players involved. When contacted, the writer of that story, Evan Woodbery, who no longer works for Al.com, recalled that the reporting was based on an online records search by a court reporter. He made calls for confirmation but no one returned them. The McNeils say they were never called. In the story, Woodbery writes, “An Auburn spokesperson said Thorpe would not be available to speak about the matter.”

Why wouldn’t Auburn offer Thorpe a chance to clarify the matter? “It’s crazy,” says Thorpe. “We were told not to talk to Mike or about Mike.” Over the past two years, McNeil has been attending school at Livingstone College, where he had sought to play football but Auburn obstructed the NCAA transfer process. “Auburn went out of its way to make sure he didn’t get on a football field,” says Clifton McNeil. “Why have they treated him with such harm? Why target him?”
“Auburn went out of its way to make sure he didn’t get on a football field,” says Clifton McNeil. “Why have they treated him with such harm? Why target him?”

For months, Clifton tried to get answers but was rebuffed by Chizik when he requested meetings. Chizik, now a contributor to ESPN, was bought out for $7.5 million after he was fired. The money is bigger than ever in college football, an industry that players enter when they are 18 and 19 years old. “My son had 50 scholarship offers and could have gone anywhere in the country,” says Melodie Campbell. “The coaches come and they sit in your home and they look you in the face and say, ‘We love your son. He’s one of the family; this is not about football.”’

Football is the gateway to an education and, in Mike McNeil’s case, a possible NFL career. “Football comes from a place that is deep for Michael,” says Campbell. “His biggest regret is that his father never had a chance to see him. … My husband was killed during the summer right before he was going to sign up. I went and signed him up.” The death of his father had a lasting, almost daily, impact on Mike. He wore his father’s shorts under his uniform as a child, knotting up the waistband, until he finally grew into them in high school. “Mike was known as the touchdown king as a kid,” says Campbell. “Every time, he would kiss his fingertips and wave at the sky. That was for his father.”

Mike McNeil has no intention of losing out on his father’s dream for him. He will fight the charges vigorously, with his family by his side and the university that once wooed him as one of the nation’s top recruits nowhere to be found.

  

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lol new development
Apr 03rd 2013
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Terrible
Apr 03rd 2013
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none of this ever amounts to anything for auburn
Apr 03rd 2013
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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_A9PMOrycFE0/TQZn0oS92pI/AAAAAAAABJw/-6jxbPmnrY...
Apr 04th 2013
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damn, wtf
Apr 03rd 2013
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So is it accepted that the robbery did go down?
Apr 03rd 2013
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I don't think so.
Apr 03rd 2013
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      naw the robbery really went down
Apr 04th 2013
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           After reading it again, you're right.
Apr 04th 2013
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           ahhhhh, okay. this article was confusing.
Apr 05th 2013
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Cliff's fuckin Notes
Apr 04th 2013
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lol i just started to post this.
Apr 04th 2013
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auburn is grimy as fuck
Apr 04th 2013
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Kids accused of robbery
Apr 04th 2013
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Buuuuuuut the kid is still a robber right?
Apr 04th 2013
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its that lesson about choosing the right friends, etc
Apr 04th 2013
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TATTOOS! OH NOEZ! HOW DARE U ARGHHH DEAHT PENULTY!
Apr 04th 2013
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Sounds guilty to me, 21 to life is excessive but:
Apr 04th 2013
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How the fuck does he sound guilty when there is no witness testimony
Apr 05th 2013
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      he admits walking into what he thought was a robbery with his face cover...
Apr 05th 2013
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      My b I read it wrong. Thought he was in the car & goodwin had his
Apr 05th 2013
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           exactly. and if they're offering him a plea deal for that shit? TAKE IT
Apr 05th 2013
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                Yeah. I would seriously consider that if its 3 yrs versus 20.
Apr 05th 2013
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                     shit, he could be out early for good behavior and play for FSU
Apr 05th 2013
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                          ^^The hate is real!
Apr 05th 2013
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                               I woulda said UGA, but Mark Richt likes to be the only thief on the team
Apr 05th 2013
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                                    *Middle fucking fingers*
Apr 05th 2013
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      c'mon fam, this dude put himself in on a robbery
Apr 05th 2013
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Spice Girlz
Apr 05th 2013
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Man, those former players are really singing
Apr 05th 2013
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gas station weed does NOT cause all this shit
Apr 05th 2013
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RE: New Auburn scandal. This one might be the best one so far.
Apr 06th 2013
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Very interesting.
Apr 06th 2013
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RE: Very interesting.
Apr 06th 2013
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      my issue with her article posted in the OP is the father angle
Apr 06th 2013
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LMAO where have i seen this before? just give her a pulitzer
Apr 06th 2013
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      RE: LMAO where have i seen this before? just give her a pulitzer
Apr 06th 2013
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no story here. move on. BUT
Apr 06th 2013
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Lol at anyone smoking fake weed. Why?(c) Jada
Apr 06th 2013
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Mike McNeil get's 3 years in prison
Apr 08th 2013
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RE: Mike McNeil get's 3 years in prison
Apr 08th 2013
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BennyTenStack
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1. "lol new development"
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Now Blanc and Davis, the two quoted in the story so much, are saying they didn't say any of that stuff.

This is wild, and pretty much standard procedure for anything involved with Auburn.

  

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3. "none of this ever amounts to anything for auburn"
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their shit has me bored

  

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4. "damn, wtf"
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*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

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5. "So is it accepted that the robbery did go down?"
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The only question is whether McNeil was part of it? I couldn't really follow.

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6. "I don't think so."
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I think they're trying to prove both that victims' stories are full of holes, and that McNeil didn't have anything to do with it.

  

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10. "naw the robbery really went down"
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another player robbed this well known "drug den". But I think the implication is that the reason all these kids got shitted on--including the innocent ones--is because if not, the information about this place being a drug den that players knew and used would get out and "sully" the program.

Im sure there are a lot of other racial politics being that its in Alabama--but thats the gist.

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12. "After reading it again, you're right."
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It's terrible that they've probably ruined a few NFL careers with all of this.

  

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20. "ahhhhh, okay. this article was confusing."
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>another player robbed this well known "drug den". But I think
>the implication is that the reason all these kids got shitted
>on--including the innocent ones--is because if not, the
>information about this place being a drug den that players
>knew and used would get out and "sully" the program.
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7. "Cliff's fuckin Notes"
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8. "lol i just started to post this."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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9. "auburn is grimy as fuck"
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and very few people care

  

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15. "Kids accused of robbery"
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The kids that actually did it took plea deals and lives pretty much wrecked.

- The one kid who remains steadfast in that he didn't have anything to do with it has been blocked from help by Auburn. The school wouldn't help him and basically is trying to block any type of progression in his life. He's at another school, but Auburn has blocked his attempt to play football there.

- There seems to be a systemic issue of big college football programs coming before the kids in situations like this, there's bad reporting from the media. It all looks like a situation that's really indicative of the climate of big money D1 sports.

School comes before the kid

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13. "Buuuuuuut the kid is still a robber right?"
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14. "its that lesson about choosing the right friends, etc"
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I mean Mcneil and his grandad seem to acknowledge and accept accountability fo that. That yes, you can have bad friends and be in the wrong place at the wrong time--but No it is not worth 26 years of his life

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16. "TATTOOS! OH NOEZ! HOW DARE U ARGHHH DEAHT PENULTY!"
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the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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17. "Sounds guilty to me, 21 to life is excessive but:"
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"McNeil said he realized Goodwin went into the trailer with a “fake gun” and, after a few minutes, went inside the trailer with a black T-shirt over his face and saw “Antonio was holding a gun down by his side” and told Kitchens to “come on.”"

makes you guilty of something

take the plea fool

I get the feeling he expects special consideration BECAUSE he's a football player

like going to jail is going to ruin his life

but if that was Joe Average, they're probably not making bail

and get railroaded into an extreme sentence

with no record and good behavior he probably does 6 months of the 3 years they offered

take it dummy!

My head was blown with those financial numbers

I don't get the argument for NOT paying these kids with figures like those

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19. "How the fuck does he sound guilty when there is no witness testimony"
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to him being around and involved in a discussion to rob those people. Not even by the niggas that admitted to being in on the discussion the night before.


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21. "he admits walking into what he thought was a robbery with his face cover..."
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and then he left the robbery with the people who were committing it.

as was said above, for his part in this 20 years seems excessive, but he doesn't sound completely innocent either.

*Jews you*

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24. "My b I read it wrong. Thought he was in the car & goodwin had his "
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face covered with the shirt.

Yeah that don't sound good. Might be innocent, might be guilty but that don't look good for him.

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Binlahab droppin science on the youth

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surrounded by more nubile unattached pussy than you will be in your life?"

  

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25. "exactly. and if they're offering him a plea deal for that shit? TAKE IT"
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*Jews you*

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Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

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26. "Yeah. I would seriously consider that if its 3 yrs versus 20. "
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can't trust the legal system and having a trial out in Auburn, alabama when you're an enemy of the school now?! Fuck that.

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27. "shit, he could be out early for good behavior and play for FSU"
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*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

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28. "^^The hate is real!"
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Binlahab droppin science on the youth

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30. "I woulda said UGA, but Mark Richt likes to be the only thief on the team"
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*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

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31. "*Middle fucking fingers* "
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lmao...nigga. i can't lie tho. i don't really like Richt no more.

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23. "c'mon fam, this dude put himself in on a robbery"
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let's not put our head in the sand

he put himself in a car full of dudes

tooled up to go see some folks about getting some money

he coulda played the role of Tre, hey dough, let me out the car

but nah

he went along, and ended up in the mix during the robbery

that's enough to catch a charge, trust!

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18. "Spice Girlz"
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9135194/twelve-auburn-tigers-football-players-failed-synthetic-pot-tests

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22. "Man, those former players are really singing"
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29. "gas station weed does NOT cause all this shit"
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that K2 is getting a bum rap

dont ask how i know this


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32. "RE: New Auburn scandal. This one might be the best one so far."
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The interview with Selena Roberts on 790am was CLASSIC.
http://www.790thezone.com/podcasts/Episodes.aspx?PID=2610

Cliff Notes:
She has no evidence other than accusations from a guy who is about to go on trial for armed robbery and every other person who had quotes in the story denies them. The radio hosts asks if she has tapes that can prove the quotes, she says she has some of the conversations taped but won't release them because she doesn't need to. Uses a lot of the same terminology about courage to go against the machine as she did in the Duke lacrosse story she was in on. She sounded dumber than the url for her new website. This lady is crazy.

The ESPN article is just as bad. Somehow all of these players failed a drug test for a drug that was not illegal at the time and there was not legitimate test for.

Yawn city. Either prove something or move on from this Auburn shit.

  

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33. "Very interesting. "
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Looks like nothing will come of this, either. She kinda seems like a hack.

  

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34. "RE: Very interesting. "
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Listen to the interview, hack is the nicest thing she could be called.

Auburn's AD also responded to the ESPN report by issuing this...


OPEN LETTER TO AUBURN FAMILY FROM JAY JACOBS:

Dear Auburn Family,

You may have seen a story on ESPN.com this eveningabout the former Auburn football players who were dismissed two years ago for their involvement in an armed robbery.

The story chronicles the former players’ use of synthetic marijuana, which the defendants in the robbery case have used as their primary defense in court. We expect another, more in-depth story to appear in an upcoming print edition of ESPN The Magazine.

We cooperated with ESPN in the story because of how appropriately and aggressively the Auburn Athletics Department and the Committee on Intercollegiate Athletics acted in response to the growing threat of synthetic marijuana during the 2010-2011 academic year.

As a father of three, I sympathize with the parents of the young men who face prison sentences for their alleged involvement in the armed robbery. While they have a right to speak out, I have an obligation to share the facts, whichclearly show Auburn Athletics tried to help these former student-athletes.

Some of the statements made in the story are wrong and need to be corrected, while others need to be put into proper context. One player interviewed by ESPN, for example, alleges that up to half of the 2010 football team was using synthetic marijuana. It’s hard to be more wrong than that. The facts and our drug testing results simply do not support such a claim.

A parent interviewed told ESPN they would have done more to help her son had we done more to let her know he was in trouble. That is incorrect. The facts demonstrate that our coaches and Sports Medicine professionals had regular communication with the parents and that every effort was made to warn our student-athletes about the dangers of synthetic marijuana.

Allow me to share with you the facts that we provided to the reporter. Some of them were included in the initialstory. Some were not.

• Auburn Athletics began testing for synthetic marijuana three days after our testing company made a test available. A test became available on Jan. 24, 2011, and Auburn added the test to its panel on Jan. 27, 2011.

• Since our drug testing policy was amended to include synthetic marijuana as a banned substance, there have been three positive tests for the drug out of more than 2,500 drug tests administered. Those three individuals are no longer on Auburn Athletics rosters.

• As soon as our Director of Sports Medicine was aware that synthetic marijuana was a drug readily available in convenience stores in the fall of 2010, Auburn Athletics contacted our drug testing company to inquire about whether they had a test for synthetic marijuana and when one would be made available. They did not have a test at the time.

At the same time, our Director of Sports Medicine began education efforts aimed at our coaches and student-athletes.

• Auburn Athletics provided urine samples to the drug testing company to assist them in their efforts to develop a test.

• The Director of Sports Medicine and former Coach Gene Chizik both addressed the football team about the dangers of synthetic marijuana at multiple team meetings in the Fall of 2010, before a test was available. A story about the drug was placed on the locker of every football player on the team.

• Within the first few months of testing, 3 percent of our student-athletes tested positive for synthetic marijuana.

• Phone records show that more than 50 phone calls were made to the parents of two former student-athletes who were interviewed by ESPN.

• The father of one of the student-athletes who was apparently interviewed by ESPN was sent a letter informing him that his son had failed a drug test for regular marijuana two months before the robbery.

• The Auburn Drug Testing/Drug Education Advisory Committee recommended to the Committee on Intercollegiate Athletics that synthetic marijuana be added to the Auburn Athletics drug testing policy on March 14, 2011. The policy change was adopted that day.

• Penalties for the use of synthetic marijuana were put into place for the next academic year beginning in August of 2011. Since it became a banned substance under the drug testing policy, only three student-athletes have tested positive for synthetic marijuana out of more than 2,500 tests administered.

I hope the facts clear up any misconceptions about drug use among our student-athletes. It is important for you to know that Auburn Athletics conducts approximately 1,500 drug tests each academic year. Less than one percent of our student-athletes test positive for illegal substances.


  

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35. "my issue with her article posted in the OP is the father angle"
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I'm not sure why it is repeatedly mentioned that ol' boy's dad passed when he was a child

She mentions it very early in the article, and then again in closing

It came off like what Jodie Arias was trying to pull by claiming she was abused by her parents

play on people's emotion and sympathy

Not everyone who's dad wasn't involved in their life ends up involved in an armed robbery

Not everyone who ends up in an armed robbery had a father absent in their life

it's kind of insulting

compounded by the fact that his grandfather was an NFL player and a big presence in his life

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37. "LMAO where have i seen this before? just give her a pulitzer "
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>She has no evidence other than accusations from a guy who is
>about to go on trial for armed robbery and every other person
>who had quotes in the story denies them.

  

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38. "RE: LMAO where have i seen this before? just give her a pulitzer "
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It's crazy. The interview on 790 was all I needed to hear about her. You would have thought major news outlets would have ignored her by now.

One of the funniest angles about Auburn skirting the NCAA is the fact that the lead investigator in the Cam Newton recruitment was Julie Roe Lach. Chizik confronted her at some point about the process dragging on and she threatened him by essentially saying "you will know when we are finished and we aren't finished". Later the NCAA, in an unprecendented move, came out an essentially stated the investigation into Cam/Auburn was over and they found nothing.

Back to Julie Roe Lach. You might have heard of her recently after she was FIRED for approving paying for information from Shapiro in the Miami situation. I think it is logical to question the methods she might have been using when investigating Auburn as well (but still came up with nothing).

  

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36. "no story here. move on. BUT"
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more negative publicity for the "awbun famleh" is fine by me.
fvck the barners. Roll Tide.

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39. "Lol at anyone smoking fake weed. Why?(c) Jada "
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40. "Mike McNeil get's 3 years in prison"
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9146827/ex-auburn-tigers-db-mike-mcneil-serve-3-years-prison-plea-deal

OPELIKA, Ala. -- Former Auburn defensive back Mike McNeil was sentenced to serve at least three years in prison Monday after pleading guilty to first-degree robbery for an incident his attorney characterized as "possibly a prank."

Lee County Circuit Judge Christopher Hughes accepted McNeil's plea deal Monday as his trial was set to begin. Under the deal, McNeil received a 15-year split sentence: He must serve three years, plus three years of supervised probation, and pay $2,000 in restitution.

If he violates any terms, the judge could sentence him to the remainder of the 15 years.

McNeil, 24, and three teammates from the Tigers' 2010 national championship team were charged with armed robbery and dismissed from the team in March 2011. Antonio Goodwin is serving a 15-year sentence while Dakota Mosley and Shaun Kitchens are awaiting trial.

ESPN The Magazine: Coming Down

An illegal street drug, an armed robbery and the worst collapse in college football. ESPN The Magazine's Shaun Assael examines the drug culture that led to four Auburn players being arrested for robbery in 2011. Story

• Auburn's statement on ESPN's report

The judge accepted a "best-interest" plea where McNeil didn't have to admit guilt. McNeil responded "Yes, sir" when Hughes asked if he believed prosecutors had enough evidence to produce a guilty plea.

McNeil's attorney, Ben Hand, said there was some evidence the alleged robbery at a mobile home was a prank that went awry.

"If you look back at Mike's history, he has a real good history," Hand said. "He worked with Fellowship of Christian Athletes, did a lot of good things. Worked with children in a hospital, always had a good reputation. And what could be portrayed as possibly a prank ended up very bad.

"He was distressed about it. Any time you're facing going to prison, that's tough. But he understood what the law was and understood what could have happened."

Witnesses at Goodwin's trial had testified that McNeil had a gun in the robbery at a mobile home. Hand said information could have come out at trial to support the contention that it was a prank. He said "everybody seemed to know everybody" at the home, but some people were present that they didn't realize would be there.

"He was taken over there by these other guys," Hand said. "Somebody else was driving. He didn't know what was going to happen and when the other guys went into the trailer and he went in to get them out, it all went bad from there as far as leaving, and (there was) a set of facts that were difficult to prove otherwise."

McNeil, who wore a gray suit and a short haircut after appearing in court Friday with dreadlocks, nodded to family members while he was led out of the courtroom in handcuffs. Prosecutors agreed not to pursue other charges against McNeil, who was initially charged with five counts of first-degree robbery.

The plea also requires him to "testify truthfully" against other defendants in the case if called as a witness. If convicted, McNeil could have served at least 20 years.

Lee County District Attorney Robbie Treese declined to comment, citing the pending cases.

McNeil was a starting safety who had 14 tackles in Auburn's win over Oregon in the BCS tilte game in January 2011.

Hand said he and McNeil met for "hours" Sunday with retired federal judge U.W. Clemon, who agreed that the player should accept the plea. McNeil visited with his young daughter after that.

"He went to see her last night, spent some time with her and told her he'd see her in 3 years," Hand said.

McNeil made headlines last week when he raised allegations that a failing grade was changed before the 2010 season and that he received about $400 from then-assistant coach Will Muschamp after a practice. Muschamp, now Florida's head coach, has denied making the payment through a spokesman.


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41. "RE: Mike McNeil get's 3 years in prison"
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So we have one guy, who is now a felon and going to spend 3 years in jail, as the only person making accusations to Selena Roberts now?

Her whole angle was this guy, and no other evidence at all, was to be believed because he was obviously innocent because he was going to go to trial instead of admitting guilt. Good work Selena. I wonder if she will give Auburn the Duke treatment and never admit she was wrong on any level and instead say it is about the bigger story of corruption (which she seems predisposed to buy into) in college athletics.

Oh yeah, that corruption she is so sure of, she has yet to prove in any way, shape, or form.

  

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