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ConcreteCharlie
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"Matty Ice: The size of a cashew or a raisin?"


  

          

MONEY MAN GOT SOME 'SPLAINING TO DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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Peyton Matty
Jan 20th 2013
1
Shit, I'll take one ring
Jan 20th 2013
10
i thought matty acquitted himself fine.
Jan 20th 2013
2
in what way? by squandering huge leads and timely turnovers?
Jan 20th 2013
3
400 yards and 3 TDs against a top 3 defense
Jan 20th 2013
4
They were up 17-0!!! He had 275 yards in the FIRST HALF
Jan 20th 2013
5
dude did you notice the Falcons running game?
Jan 20th 2013
14
      ^^^
Jan 22nd 2013
88
this
Jan 20th 2013
11
      where is this "no defense" though? yes, niners won the ground game
Jan 20th 2013
26
           it's largely irrelevant
Jan 22nd 2013
114
Matty didnt lose this game....
Jan 20th 2013
6
      Dude, every mistake he made, the D was there for him. In the end ...
Jan 20th 2013
7
      he didn't win it either & his mistakes cost them a chance to put it away
Jan 20th 2013
8
           I'm used to you using that line in reference to a different QB
Jan 20th 2013
16
                the situation is eerily similar to Romo
Jan 20th 2013
19
kinda agree...but that fumbled snap was really, really awful
Jan 20th 2013
17
      Shades of Romo, but it STILL didn't cost them!
Jan 20th 2013
27
           It was Romo lite...
Jan 21st 2013
42
This shit is stupid
Jan 20th 2013
9
We gotta revamp the backfield
Jan 20th 2013
12
Yerp...
Jan 20th 2013
22
      but until this year, it was a *running* offense, tho
Jan 21st 2013
32
           RE: but until this year, it was a *running* offense, tho
Jan 21st 2013
60
                but he was making those throws in the first half though, lol
Jan 22nd 2013
65
                     RE: but he was making those throws in the first half though, lol
Jan 22nd 2013
79
Log Off!
Jan 20th 2013
13
since when's it a QB's job to hold a lead? Nolan deserves the blame
Jan 20th 2013
15
PA Side of Philly Suburbs Stay Softer Than The Snuggle Bear
Jan 20th 2013
18
lol, go head and rep the jersey shore set of nj. you can have em
Jan 20th 2013
20
      B u know that Jersey Shore shit has nothing to do with Jersey
Jan 20th 2013
21
           you've been away from the cherry hill nightlife scene for too long
Jan 21st 2013
38
                concept of 'Cherry Hill' & 'Nightlife' didnt mix even when I was there
Jan 22nd 2013
72
this game wasn't his fault
Jan 20th 2013
23
He fucked up, but he's still a good QB. Wouldn't trade him.
Jan 20th 2013
24
it's hard to replace a legit starter and their team is good now, of cour...
Jan 20th 2013
28
he got further than my starting QB has so..lol
Jan 21st 2013
43
props to Matty for finishing the game w/ a separated shoulder
Jan 20th 2013
25
The forced anti-Matt Ryan agenda is dumb as shit
Jan 21st 2013
29
He had 'no chance' with his team hosting a title game?
Jan 21st 2013
30
If you listened to everything leading up the game, the 9ers were suppose...
Jan 21st 2013
31
      He played his usual manic depressive game and shouldered some
Jan 21st 2013
46
The o-line balled outta control yesterday
Jan 21st 2013
36
Can't run=easy to figure out
Jan 21st 2013
39
      it's that simple, can't keep converting 3rd and 8's when u can't run
Jan 21st 2013
40
      dude, this part?
Jan 21st 2013
44
      Disagree
Jan 21st 2013
49
           Wait. The fourth receiver not being great,
Jan 21st 2013
51
                HD is #3. #4 is either Drew Davis or something called "tim toone"
Jan 21st 2013
52
                     this is not valid
Jan 21st 2013
53
                     gonzalez is the third option...so much so that he can line up in the
Jan 22nd 2013
64
                          Watch that 3rd and 3 play he got bailed out on
Jan 22nd 2013
73
      I dunno man, Arizona made it work, among others
Jan 21st 2013
47
Name a better receiving corps nm.
Jan 21st 2013
48
I've liked to knock Ryan but he played well vs a real good D
Jan 21st 2013
33
sometimes you just lose to a better team, SF was better
Jan 21st 2013
34
right? 17-0 against a well coached defensive team before half=meaningles...
Jan 21st 2013
35
      if people had seriously argued matty=top 3, this would be legit
Jan 21st 2013
37
      this all sounds totally logical
Jan 21st 2013
41
      You don't even have to use the "top 5" argument
Jan 21st 2013
58
      Ok but a few things..
Jan 21st 2013
45
           that's fair, but the defense let SF back in it so fast
Jan 21st 2013
50
                i mean they gave up two quick scores but people are talking like
Jan 21st 2013
54
Damn that....Thats my Quarterback!
Jan 21st 2013
55
So funny how this shit works
Jan 21st 2013
56
^truth...congrats, we just didnt get it done as a TEAM. period
Jan 21st 2013
57
word...
Jan 21st 2013
61
at the same time, if the Seahawks scored their GW td 10 seconds later
Jan 22nd 2013
62
I don't put any fault on him other than the fumble
Jan 21st 2013
59
The 4th down play I am starting to find fault in
Jan 22nd 2013
63
      And after looking at it again last night it was not PI
Jan 22nd 2013
66
Hi
Jan 22nd 2013
67
lol...foh, you cant party in here...Matty had you on mute ALL year
Jan 22nd 2013
68
      Oh he did?
Jan 22nd 2013
69
           Hey cunt, your boy was at home this weekend.
Jan 22nd 2013
70
           Thank God they won a game with a field goal when they were up 20
Jan 22nd 2013
74
                whatever helps you think your life isn't still shitty
Jan 22nd 2013
77
                     My life is great but thanks though
Jan 22nd 2013
80
                          Laughing at QBs is fun? You may want to re-evaluate your life
Jan 22nd 2013
92
                               Ok champ
Jan 22nd 2013
105
           lol, suuure buddy...just give the man his props for once
Jan 22nd 2013
71
                Give him 2 number 1 receivers,the best line in football,a great TE,
Jan 22nd 2013
75
                Umm the defense stripped the ball at the 1 and we missed a field goal
Jan 22nd 2013
76
                     And the reason they went 3 and out when we turned the ball over
Jan 22nd 2013
78
                          Cause he cant
Jan 22nd 2013
81
                               Yo the last play of the game
Jan 22nd 2013
85
                                    Remember his 45 yard hail mary that hung to Julio Jones earlier this yea...
Jan 22nd 2013
90
                                         So when he threw one 55 yards to Julio in the 1st quarter, what...
Jan 22nd 2013
93
                                              Oh so he has a great arm now?
Jan 22nd 2013
95
                                                   Yeah, this is a HORRIBLE arm
Jan 22nd 2013
96
                                                        He's an NFL QB,if he can't make that throw shoot him in the head
Jan 22nd 2013
97
                                                             Who else is saying it? What company are you in?
Jan 22nd 2013
98
                                                                  So Atlanta could not conceivably have the best line in the League?
Jan 22nd 2013
99
                                                                       That you are calling the Atlanta line "amazing" is...I don't know...
Jan 22nd 2013
102
                                                                            You're mad and dumb
Jan 22nd 2013
104
                                                                                 You need to watch some football sometime
Jan 22nd 2013
108
                                                                                      I love Cutler?
Jan 22nd 2013
109
Chuck I almost always ride with you.
Jan 22nd 2013
82
Cmon...
Jan 22nd 2013
83
This is kinda misleading
Jan 22nd 2013
84
I'd say 2009 Minnesota,2010 Chicago,Pittsburgh's 2008,Giants 2009
Jan 22nd 2013
89
      Seattle wasn't better this year
Jan 22nd 2013
110
           Niners got the best front 7 in the L,but I do like the way that Seattle ...
Jan 22nd 2013
113
I don't judge a defense based on a handful of playoff games
Jan 22nd 2013
86
      Baltimore,New England,Pittsburgh,Giants,Chicago and Minnesota have
Jan 22nd 2013
87
           I have SF well above NYGs, NE and MIN.
Jan 22nd 2013
91
                The Niners have a good offense though
Jan 22nd 2013
94
                     it's an extremely good defense.
Jan 22nd 2013
101
                          That next tier has maybe 10-15 guys on it
Jan 22nd 2013
103
                               where we disagree:
Jan 22nd 2013
106
                                    Oh I just batched by age
Jan 22nd 2013
107
played great? no, that is totally unacceptable
Jan 22nd 2013
111
Reminder:
Jan 22nd 2013
100
when i saw the post count jump, i knew immediately what happened
Jan 22nd 2013
112

ChuckFoPrez
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1. "Peyton Matty"
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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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10. "Shit, I'll take one ring"
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2. "i thought matty acquitted himself fine."
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3. "in what way? by squandering huge leads and timely turnovers?"
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by fumbling snaps?

by winning a game he shouldn't have and losing a game he should have won?

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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4. "400 yards and 3 TDs against a top 3 defense"
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i mean, anyone trying to put him in the top 3 QBs is a fool. but he played well today, for a QB with no running game and no defense.

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ConcreteCharlie
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5. "They were up 17-0!!! He had 275 yards in the FIRST HALF"
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He did NOTHING in the second half of TWO playoff games basically.

What is he going to do, fucking cry about that 20-yard punt return? He just had a three-and-out! The drive before, they got the ball of a goal line forced fumble (sound familiar from this "no defense?")and failed to score. And guess who the defense bailed out there? Was it themselves are a long drive? No, it was Ryan, who fumbled a fucking SNAP. They also bailed him out on an interception right before that.

He played terrible and he should feel terrible (c) Bill Walton.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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14. "dude did you notice the Falcons running game?"
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Right, no one did. It didn't exist.....but that was on Ryan too right? Man FOH.

Have yall moment. I'm not going to get worked up over dumb shit

>He did NOTHING in the second half of TWO playoff games
>basically.
>
>What is he going to do, fucking cry about that 20-yard punt
>return? He just had a three-and-out! The drive before, they
>got the ball of a goal line forced fumble (sound familiar from
>this "no defense?")and failed to score. And guess who the
>defense bailed out there? Was it themselves are a long drive?
>No, it was Ryan, who fumbled a fucking SNAP. They also bailed
>him out on an interception right before that.
>
>He played terrible and he should feel terrible (c) Bill
>Walton.

  

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88. "^^^"
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11. "this"
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for a QB with no running game and no
>defense.


Matt was an ass for the fumble and INT, but lets not forget the above

  

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ConcreteCharlie
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26. "where is this "no defense" though? yes, niners won the ground game"
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HANDILY

all the falcons had to do was take care of the ball, really. even after all that, they were in a position to win. he can't go pointing fingers.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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114. "it's largely irrelevant"
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whether the Falcons D gives up an 80 yard drive after a fumble or after a kickoff, the result is the same.

The Falcons D was noticeably worse than Matty, IMO.

Letting the TE get open play after play, for the second week in a row, is unacceptable.

The fumble was bad.

He should've scored from the 10 yard line.

But he also put up 24 points against a defense giving up 17 a game. You can hardly say he choked.

He simply lost to a very good team. Not sure this changes his legacy one way or the other.

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6. "Matty didnt lose this game...."
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he can't go out there and stop the run nor put a body on the tight end.....



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ConcreteCharlie
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7. "Dude, every mistake he made, the D was there for him. In the end ..."
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he had the game in his hands. Had a big lead, couldn't hold it. After all that rigmarole, he still had the ball on the ten yard line and came up empty twice.

Did he blow it in Romo proportions? No, but he played two poor second halves and there is no skirting that.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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8. "he didn't win it either & his mistakes cost them a chance to put it away"
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16. "I'm used to you using that line in reference to a different QB"
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19. "the situation is eerily similar to Romo"
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Now, Ryan didn't have those soul crushing turnovers but he had turnovers nonetheless. Altanta never got the ball moving after that until the last drive & he didn't come thru...

If one of those turnovers turns into a FG could have been a completely different game..


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Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html

  

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17. "kinda agree...but that fumbled snap was really, really awful"
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27. "Shades of Romo, but it STILL didn't cost them!"
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I don't know, does absolutely everything have to go right around you to win? I was not under that impression.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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42. "It was Romo lite..."
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The turnovers didn't lead directly to a score but the sure as hell killed ATLs momentum & prevented them from possibly putting the game away of significantly altering the course of events...


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Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html

  

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9. "This shit is stupid"
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Matt doesn't play defense and he had no support from the running game.

...but I know OKP was dying for this moment. This post was inevitable

  

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12. "We gotta revamp the backfield"
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22. "Yerp..."
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Matty can't carry a 1-dimensional offense. Tony G is the one guy he has who can regularly get open...and he's about to go home.

Burner Turner, Jacuzzi, and Snelling is not it. They need to scoop Frederick or Steven Jackson until they can find a long-term solution.

Still...he DOES seem to find a way to fumble or force a pick at some of the worst times. And we all saw the shookness still on his face last weekend even AFTER they snuck out Ric Flair small package holding the tights style vs Seatlle.

Jimaveli

  

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32. "but until this year, it was a *running* offense, tho"
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Honestly, I think the falcons win that game if they ran more in the 2nd half, even after Turner being hurt

  

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60. "RE: but until this year, it was a *running* offense, tho"
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>Honestly, I think the falcons win that game if they ran more
>in the 2nd half, even after Turner being hurt
>

Agreed, but you gotta get first downs to have more plays to run more. Can't do that with 3 and outs, 2-yard runs, and turnovers. If they had a Frederick, some of those runs would've been 5 or 6 yards, the first downs would've come, and Matty wouldn't feel the need to stress his arm beyond its capacity (aka he wouldn't force more throws on 2nd/3rd and longs).

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65. "but he was making those throws in the first half though, lol"
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like he was eatin all the first half, and the 9ers pretty much stayed in man the whole game, so what happened in the second half?

  

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79. "RE: but he was making those throws in the first half though, lol"
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>like he was eatin all the first half, and the 9ers pretty
>much stayed in man the whole game, so what happened in the
>second half?
>

Law of averages. If you throw passes into traffic or against not so grand coverage situations, you better be lucky, have an amazing arm for speed and placement, or a little of both. Even with those weapons formed against your opponent, eventually some of those passes will get knocked down or picked off.

Jimaveli

  

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13. "Log Off!"
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$
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$Straight Cash HOMIE!$

  

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15. "since when's it a QB's job to hold a lead? Nolan deserves the blame"
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The defense gave up huge leads in two consecutive weekends. Mike Nolan should be fired. I know its more fun to blame Matt but his defense gave him no help.

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18. "PA Side of Philly Suburbs Stay Softer Than The Snuggle Bear"
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These prep school pussies ain't really built for this shit.

  

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20. "lol, go head and rep the jersey shore set of nj. you can have em"
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21. "B u know that Jersey Shore shit has nothing to do with Jersey"
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let alone the South Side.

Those are idiots from Queens & Long Island.

Now sit back & let a live Camden County Colonial Conference Cat handle this big-game shit.

  

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38. "you've been away from the cherry hill nightlife scene for too long"
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72. "concept of 'Cherry Hill' & 'Nightlife' didnt mix even when I was there"
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so yeah, Top Dogg ain't doing us any favors I'll grant you that.

For fun, I'll always be bridge-bound.

If we're talking raising Boys II Men (no wayan-o), I ain't about that Malvern Prep/Penn Charter life.

  

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23. "this game wasn't his fault"
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the falcons on defense allowed the 49ers to control things in the 2nd half.

i mean they nearly blew the game against the seahawks last week.

Matty Ice has some issues, however this post season was pretty good for him on a whole.

they can't run the ball very well, and there defense plays bend don't break and they tend to let you hang around.

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Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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24. "He fucked up, but he's still a good QB. Wouldn't trade him. "
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He'll improve.

  

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28. "it's hard to replace a legit starter and their team is good now, of cour..."
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i am not saying he should be banished, just criticized. also, come on, no one was going to give money man shit about this?

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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43. "he got further than my starting QB has so..lol"
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25. "props to Matty for finishing the game w/ a separated shoulder"
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happened on that 2nd down play in the 4th

had to pop it back into place

the fumble in scoring territory was a huge mistake, just took his eyes off the ball too early

overall, he played a good game. he's not the problem

ATL has relied on his heroics all season. couldn't pull off a miracle today. *shrug*

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29. "The forced anti-Matt Ryan agenda is dumb as shit"
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1) unless you are a Saints or Falcons fan, anyone pretending to care about the Falcons enough to force a non-existent agenda about a legit QB like Ryan who plays for a harmless org like Atlanta needs to get a damn life or a hobby or something. For fuck's sake, you don't really care, do you?
2) he put up big numbers against a vaunted team that he was supposed to have no shot at and only crumbled when his line AGAIN started to fall apart. AGAIN. And there is strong evidence the INT was a blown route and the fumble was a shitty snap, but we'll never know because he doesn't throw teammates under the bus or really say anything exciting. Really, if you want to be mad at the guy for something be mad at him for being really boring and vanilla.
3) I'm sick and tired of hearing this "all those weapons" bullshit from people that box-watch, at best. Julio and Roddy are a great duo and Tony G is a hall of famer bailout switch, but they don't block, the distance between Roddy and Harry Douglas may be the biggest fall off between 2 and 3 receivers in the league, Michael Turner hasn't been good for a year and a half, and Sam Baker and Tyson Clabo are cement-footed sack machines that hand out edges like they were shitty barbers.

  

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30. "He had 'no chance' with his team hosting a title game?"
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Wha?

No one in this thread has said anything about his weapons.

This is about him playing a bad second half, not deserving to die. Relax.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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31. "If you listened to everything leading up the game, the 9ers were suppose..."
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to smoke the Falcons. Didn't really happen that way.

And the lack of any established run game, the defense unable to get off the field and a blown route and bad snap had much more to do with the way that second half played out than Ryan's performance.

Lets put it in context for a Philly head: did McNabb play a shitty game in the 08 NFC title game?

  

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46. "He played his usual manic depressive game and shouldered some"
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blame IMO. It was not his worst performance in a title game by any stretch, but yeah i think he deserved some criticism. that game was not all that unlike the arch of the SB loss to new england, only where they left points on the field in the first half against NE, they couldn't even muster that against Arizona. mcnabb played a horrendous first half, could not do a fucking thing on third down.

he had good support on the ground, i am not looking at the numbers but i bet philly outrushed arizona by a decent margin. even so they didn't bury themselves, mcnabb and company had a helluva second half but, again, in the end they had the ball with a shot to win and didn't. that was a recurring theme with mcnabb. while he didn't play a "bad" game, he sure as shit played a BAD half and then didn't get it done at the end.

mcnabb had a small lead at one point. ryan was dealing from a position of much more strength. he also turned it over twice at critical points, which mcnabb didn't. i think he had an interception in the game but i am having a hard time remembering it clearly.

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36. "The o-line balled outta control yesterday"
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and the falcons have the best receiving corps in the league.

That team is LOADED on offense, so I can't say Ryan ain't got more than enough to win big.

For some reason, the team gets bogged down offensively in third quarters, game after game. Everything about that offense gets tight in 3rd quarters, which is weird as fuck considering how well they perform late in games.

Oddest shit ever.

  

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39. "Can't run=easy to figure out"
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And the line did start to crumble in the second half, again. It's really just not a very talented set of dudes. If a back like Jacquizz can just get some help getting outside, he'd be far more lethal than the up-the-gut crap they default to in order to suit Turner's dominant potential (last seen in 2010). you know the first three options everytime there is a passing play, and we saw yesterday that the backs can't catch a swing and Harry doesn't scare anyone.

  

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40. "it's that simple, can't keep converting 3rd and 8's when u can't run"
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that's what makes both seattle and sf so tough, they start stopping that run it's gonna get tougher to hit those big plays on 3rd and long

  

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44. "dude, this part?"
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>you know the first three options everytime there is a passing
>play, and we saw yesterday that the backs can't catch a swing
>and Harry doesn't scare anyone.

The falcons have two #1 receivers, and the prototype of the modern TE.

Their passing game has literally NO weaknesses.

  

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49. "Disagree"
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http://www.sportsagentblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/harry-douglas.jpg


^weakness


Roddy's hands can be a weakness on the right/wrong day; Tony's old legs can be viewed as a weakness if you need a downfield threat like, say, when you have to go 60 yards in the last play of a game; Jacquizz dropped three swings yesterday that I can remember, that's a major weakness.

  

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51. "Wait. The fourth receiver not being great,"
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your HOF, CLUTCHCLUTCHCLUTCH TE not being a burner (burner TE???) and your rb dropping passes.

THOSE are the weaknesses of this passing attack?

Man, c'mon

  

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52. "HD is #3. #4 is either Drew Davis or something called "tim toone""
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Point is, there isn't a lot of depth. That's what happens when you put a lot of money in your #1 and #2 WRs, an aging and under-performing RB and throw a boatload of cash at what used to be (and turned into again yesterday) a troubled secondary. I could spend a day ranting about DeCoud, but trying not to.

And if your tight end is what makes your receiving corp elite, his range has be in question. A dude like Jimmy Graham can get downfield if he has to. Tony just can't.

  

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53. "this is not valid "
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when your 2 starting wr's are that good, and your tight end can catch the ball with people draped all over him and Rodgers is a solid wr... Harry Douglas is far from the worst slot wr in the league

  

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64. "gonzalez is the third option...so much so that he can line up in the"
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slot, and does, often. Harry Douglass ain't why the falcons lost this game

The Falcons have the overall best WR corps in the LEAGUE. So now they need jimmy graham too? C'mon, now.

  

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73. "Watch that 3rd and 3 play he got bailed out on"
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HD getting single coverage because of the adjustments they made on 11 and 84 at halftime, he's got a corner that (depending how you want to look at it) fell down or HD pushed down and nothing else between him and glory and what does he do? Trips over his own feet and barely manages to somehow catch a ball that could also easily have been a drop. The point is, when a team has the talent and discipline to shutdown Roddy and Julio, HD is a horrible third option down field.

  

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47. "I dunno man, Arizona made it work, among others"
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I am definitely not buying that Ryan was overmatched or does not have a good offense. I am not saying he had the Greatest Show on Turf, but yes, he has talent around him.

I mean, fuck, how much was he ever pressured yesterday? Your line is your No. 1 variable/support.

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48. "Name a better receiving corps nm."
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33. "I've liked to knock Ryan but he played well vs a real good D"
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he played well vs Seattle and made some big throws late... he played well this postseason and knocking him for losing a tight playoff game is just hating

  

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34. "sometimes you just lose to a better team, SF was better"
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17-0 means shit with that much time left... the offense actually had a huge td to end the half too to match all that momentum SF gained...

  

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35. "right? 17-0 against a well coached defensive team before half=meaningles..."
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San Fran made the adjustments that they were expected to make and won the game. Not surprising.

  

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37. "if people had seriously argued matty=top 3, this would be legit"
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but no one i know seriously argued that matty ice belongs in the rodgers/brees/brady/manning tier. in my mind, he's in the next group, and he's not even tops in that group (eli).

so a non top 5 qb covered the spread against a better team in the nfc championship while throwing for 400 and 3 and finished the game with a separated shoulder...and he's a bum?

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41. "this all sounds totally logical"
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58. "You don't even have to use the "top 5" argument"
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Look at the way Brady, Peyton, and Rodgers fizzled out of the playoffs. Shit, Brees didn't even MAKE the playoffs.

So it's not like being an elite QB means that everything looks peachy even when you lose.

  

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45. "Ok but a few things.."
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They scored 24 in the 1st half including a 7 during the 2 minute drill. That's efficiency fo you ass..

Even though SF made adjustments, that wasn't necessarily the cause of Ryan's turnovers esp the fumble. If you score 24 in the 1st half you gotta do better than a goose egg in the 2nd half.. You just do...


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50. "that's fair, but the defense let SF back in it so fast"
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and the run game was shit for atlanta, they lost to be a better team (week before they beat a better team barely) atlanta's big plays, easy schedule and numerous close regular season wins have consistently masked a team that has an average defense and an average running game

  

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54. "i mean they gave up two quick scores but people are talking like"
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they got TORCHED. they gave up four touchdowns, it happens all the time. they never let SF come close to pulling away. they came up with that goalline stand to preserve the lead. people are talking like they had the worst performance of the playoffs or something. it was a little streaky but adequate. they gave themselves multiple chances to win.

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55. "Damn that....Thats my Quarterback!"
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Matt did his thing this postseason. I don't
fault him at all. You put up 24-30 pts and you
will/should win most games. Can't fault him for that.
The fumbled snap was a very unfortunate turn for an otherwise
OUTSTANDING game against a top 3 defense.

Overall, this was a good year for us.

We didn't reach the goal we set out to accomplish
but we still had a great season. I'm proud of this squad
and we are inching closer and closer to what we want.

The window isn't closing. Most of our talent is young
on both sides of the ball and we have a very disciplined
and well coached (for the most part) team.

Revamp the running game, get our TE for the future,
maybe look to another MLB in FAgency and resign William Moore.

We should be in a position to compete for championships
over the next three years at least.

I'm ridin with the squad. We gon be alright.

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56. "So funny how this shit works"
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Had the Falcons got a PI on the 4th down play by Bowman (and make no mistake that could have easily gone either way) there's a good chance the Falcons get in the end zone without enough time for Kaepernick and the 9ers to answer. Today you would have had everyone talking about Ryan's toughness for staying in with a separated shoulder and leading his team back twice in two weeks... we'd be having the 'elite' convo today about Ryan like some are doing with Flaco... all turning on one call that could have been made.

Shows just how ridiculous some of these conversations are in the first place.
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57. "^truth...congrats, we just didnt get it done as a TEAM. period"
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61. "word..."
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Wins and losses dictate opinions far beyond anything that is logical. It is soooo crazy that a SB win of any kind gives a QB an outrageous amount of leeway. Yes, this is the beginnings of a Tom Brady (basically .500 in the playoffs the last 8 years) and BOTH Mannings hate post...

Jimaveli

>Had the Falcons got a PI on the 4th down play by Bowman (and
>make no mistake that could have easily gone either way)
>there's a good chance the Falcons get in the end zone without
>enough time for Kaepernick and the 9ers to answer. Today you
>would have had everyone talking about Ryan's toughness for
>staying in with a separated shoulder and leading his team back
>twice in two weeks... we'd be having the 'elite' convo today
>about Ryan like some are doing with Flaco... all turning on
>one call that could have been made.
>
>Shows just how ridiculous some of these conversations are in
>the first place.
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62. "at the same time, if the Seahawks scored their GW td 10 seconds later"
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Ice Ice baby is still 0fer in the playoffs... u are absolutely right... these arguments are dumb for these very reasons

  

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59. "I don't put any fault on him other than the fumble "
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Which was most certainly a huge play and he admittedly said he took his eyes off the ball. The int certainly looked like a miscommunication on a route, that happens.

Considering the defense he was playing, he played absolutely tremendous. The windows he was throwing into, the anticipation, taking shots in the 4th but sticking in the pocket to complete throws...he was great.

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63. "The 4th down play I am starting to find fault in"
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It looks like he threw at Roddy in hopes of getting attention for the contact that was going on and getting a call, which was a miscalculation because they were within 5 yards of the line, the refs were allowing a far more physical game in the 2nd half and, really, you can't put your season in the hands of an officials judgement. Roddy admitted to basically all this post game. Growing moment.
And the fumble still was a not-great snap that he took his eye off of.

  

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66. "And after looking at it again last night it was not PI"
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Bowman was basically in the spot White ran too... Bowman makes contact at 4 yards and starts to move to his right with White... Ryan waits for White to clear Willis who was in the passing lane during the time the contact was happening... As Ryan throws the ball, Bowman takes both hands off of White... Bowman bats down the ball with his left hand which means the pass was behind White a little... at the same time you clearly see Bowman's right hand off White. Basically it was a bad decision and bad pass... still wouldn't have shocked me to see a flag there.
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67. "Hi"
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68. "lol...foh, you cant party in here...Matty had you on mute ALL year"
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69. "Oh he did?"
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I'll admit,I've been too busy with work that I didn't see really any playoff games til this weekend,but I was upping that Matty post everytime that loser played a decent team.


But hey,your boy can't hold onto leads at home.With the best receiving corps and line in football.Cool,run with that.
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70. "Hey cunt, your boy was at home this weekend. "
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You moved the goalposts so many times on just why it is you don't like or even care about Ryan that you should just sit down and be miserable at this point. Starting to reach bentagin/all stah status. He won a playoff game (your last horrible criteria). Go back to living miserably.

  

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74. "Thank God they won a game with a field goal when they were up 20"
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And they lost when up 17.Both at home.

Its OK,your boy is good when he has all the weapons you can ask for.Thankfully he'll never make a Super Bowl,so I won't have to see noodle armed INT's all game
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77. "whatever helps you think your life isn't still shitty "
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Do you.

  

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80. "My life is great but thanks though"
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Matt Ryan has no bearing on that,but he is fun to laugh at
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92. "Laughing at QBs is fun? You may want to re-evaluate your life"
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105. "Ok champ"
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71. "lol, suuure buddy...just give the man his props for once"
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and while the O-Line played beautifully this yr
calling them the best in football is laughable

but we didn't lose because of them or Matt.

the defense didn't hold up their end of the deal
in the 2nd half.

period.

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75. "Give him 2 number 1 receivers,the best line in football,a great TE,"
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homefield advantage,and he's a top 15 QB who can't win big games.


There,happy?
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76. "Umm the defense stripped the ball at the 1 and we missed a field goal"
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I was at the game and Matty Ice played like shit in the second half. No way around it. His WRs were killing us all first half when he was hitting his WRs high and over the top. Second half his noodle arm showed up and he was toast.

  

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78. "And the reason they went 3 and out when we turned the ball over"
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is because he didn't throw the ball to Tony past the sticks.

  

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81. "Cause he cant"
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85. "Yo the last play of the game"
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my dad turned to me and says "they got one hail mary left" i chuckled and said he can't throw that far and he throws a 25 yard duck that cant even set up any kind of pitch opportunity.

  

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90. "Remember his 45 yard hail mary that hung to Julio Jones earlier this yea..."
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These dudes were trying to use that to say he has an arm.


Like,if a QB can't throw it that far,I'd be worried.He's the new Steve DeBerg.


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93. "So when he threw one 55 yards to Julio in the 1st quarter, what..."
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What's your bullshit, know-nothing-about-football excuse for that?
But you are typing like you didn't even watch the game, which wouldn't be surprising.


Mike Smith plays numbers and knows that a defense sitting deep dime in prevent isn't a chuck-and-hope situation, especially with a QB who's mechanics are compromised by a separated shoulder.

  

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95. "Oh so he has a great arm now?"
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That ball maybe went 45 yards champ
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96. "Yeah, this is a HORRIBLE arm"
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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000128620/Ryan-to-Jones-46-yard-TD


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97. "He's an NFL QB,if he can't make that throw shoot him in the head"
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Does he have an above average or elite arm? No.

He had no pressure.When he's moving,he can't complete shit.

Am I the only one saying he has a weak arm? No? Ok. So shut the fuck up
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98. "Who else is saying it? What company are you in? "
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Weak-armed Matt Ryan hung up far better numbers than "elite arm" Rodgers did against the same team the week before.

But fuck, you have Stafford and Cutler as top 15 QBs (and in this post you're saying Atlanta's line is "the best in the league), so what the fuck do you know about anything?

  

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99. "So Atlanta could not conceivably have the best line in the League?"
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Stafford-yes he sucks,but if you gave Cutler what Ryan has,he does much more.For fucks sake he has two number 1 receivers,a great TE,and amazing offensive line and gets to play in a dome.


Rodgers has receivers and no line.

I would trade you everything else straight up besides QB.The Packers would have made the SB,the Packers would have been 5-11 at best
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102. "That you are calling the Atlanta line "amazing" is...I don't know..."
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sad? misinformed? made up? Don't know..."amazing" lines + serviceable backs normally can make something happen in the run game.


Or is this some Peter Konz Wisconsonian koolaid chatter?

  

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104. "You're mad and dumb"
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Atlanta's line is great
They've been great all year
I would absolutely take them over most offensive lines.


but you're calling people cunts cause your boy failed.Again.Just like he almost did last week in similar fashion.

The Falcons will never win a title with him.Ever.

Never.

Ever.

The End.
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108. "You need to watch some football sometime"
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you may like the game and then be able to rethink your love of Jay Cutler, Matt Schaub, Tony Romo and someone called "Vick" that made your top 10 active QB list earlier this year. Christ, what an mess that all ended up being, huh?

aka all ^^^^^^that shit shows you don't know what you're talking about. Atlanta's line gives Ryan just barely enough time to get the ball away, often to crosses, and he still got hit 80+ times this year. The line also had it's fair share to do with the awful total of 1400 total rushing yards. But this is all a bit nuanced for someone that doesn't watch football.


Can we go back to your "everyone thinks he sucks" argument? For an "everyone thinks he sucks" guy, he made his second probowl roster while not being in the top 5 in fan votes for his position. Again. Which means the players and coaches, who likely know a little something more than you, sure do think highly of him.

  

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109. "I love Cutler?"
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Please tell me more about football


And Pro Bowls? OK
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82. "Chuck I almost always ride with you."
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But not here.

Matty played great. He simply lost to a better team and against one of the best defenses the NFL has seen in about 15 years or so.

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83. "Cmon..."
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He simply lost to a better team and
>against one of the best defenses the NFL has seen in about 15
>years or so.



No.They're a very good defense,but their playoff wins were playing a team with no offensive line and allowing 24 points,and a team led by Matt Ryan scoring 24.


They're nowhere near last 15 years best


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84. "This is kinda misleading "
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>No.They're a very good defense,but their playoff wins were
>playing a team with no offensive line and allowing 24
>points,and a team led by Matt Ryan scoring 24.

7 of those came vs a prevent when the game was decided... and this was Justin Smith's first game back with the brace. He looked at about 80%.

>They're nowhere near last 15 years best

But I do agree there have been better during this time... I'd put them in the top 5 though.

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89. "I'd say 2009 Minnesota,2010 Chicago,Pittsburgh's 2008,Giants 2009"
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Baltimore pick a year between 2006-2010 and maybe even Seattle's this year were better.


But this is a damn good group when they can pin their ears back.That's why they beat the Packers.The Packers O-Line is fucking awful and the Smiths coming off the edges ran right through our turd Tackles and Guards
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110. "Seattle wasn't better this year"
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As good and deep as their secondary is, their front 7 ain't seeing the 9ers front 7. Clemons is nice but I'd rather have the Smith brothers... then Bowman & Willis in the middle... naw they ain't quite on that level yet

I'd take exception with the 09' Vikings too

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113. "Niners got the best front 7 in the L,but I do like the way that Seattle ..."
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plays.


Those 09 Vikes were beastly.Pass rush from front 4,good coverage,solid linebackers.


Favre fucked them sooooooo bad
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86. "I don't judge a defense based on a handful of playoff games"
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Their body of work over the past 2 years makes them one of the better defenses we've seen in the past 15 years or so.

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87. "Baltimore,New England,Pittsburgh,Giants,Chicago and Minnesota have"
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had multiple better defenses in that time period.The thing the Niners have is better offense
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91. "I have SF well above NYGs, NE and MIN."
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Which years of those teams are you referring to?

So yeah, SF is one of the 4-5 best defenses of the past 15 years. Or let's say, since 1999/2000. The Brady/Manning era.

BAL, PIT, TB and CHI.

All defenses that were good enough to dominate and make super bowls without good offenses.

I have SF in that category.

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94. "The Niners have a good offense though"
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Their offense is the reason they beat the Packers.

And of course you're not gonna give NYGz or Pats any love.But Pats 04,NYGz 07 and Minnesota's 09 I would say were all better.The Giants stopped the greatest offense ever,the Pat's carried Brady to his third and were dominant,and the Vikes were killing people and would have won the Chip except for Favre.

Throw in some of those 2000-2001 Ravens and scattered Steelers D's and thats your top 5.


Are they top 20 of the past 15? Absolutely.
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101. "it's an extremely good defense. "
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as I said, one of the better ones we've seen recently.

Matt Ryan leading an offense to 28 points and 400 yards passing, plus a fumble and INT, does not mean he is not an elite QB.

Brady/Manning/Brees/Rogers?

No.

The next tier right below that?

Unquestionably.

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103. "That next tier has maybe 10-15 guys on it"
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Plus we really have no idea how good these young guys will be.

I would say he's leading the generation of guys that no one will remember.


You have the old guys:

Brady
Brees
Manning


The middle or end of their prime guys:

Rodgers
Roethlisberger
Eli
Cutler



The nebulous guys:

Ryan
Flacco
Schaub


And then we have the really young guys who we don't know yet:

RG3(Hopefully he can come back)
Cam
Freeman
Luck
Wilson
Kaepernick


That's just a pile of QB's from all over that I'm not really sure how to order.

I will say once Brady and Manning go,it will be a complete free for all in the AFC.

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106. "where we disagree:"
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Cutler is at least one tier too high. Maybe two.

I put Ryan 1 tier higher. Flacco and Schaub are not seeing Ryan.

Ryan had an incredible year this year. If he does it again for another couple years, which I fully expect him to, he'll cement himself in that 2nd tier.

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107. "Oh I just batched by age"
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I have no faith in Cutler or Ryan to ever win shit.
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111. "played great? no, that is totally unacceptable"
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i mean in large part this was a dig at money man (perhaps i should have replied to myself 65 times to be more clear) but now i am hearing some hog wash in here. he played a great first half. he did not play anywhere near great in the second half.

that is like a boxer winning the early rounds and then getting knocked the fuck out.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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100. "Reminder: "
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going to calm down now, needed that realty check with the sort of "mind" we're dealing with here...

  

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112. "when i saw the post count jump, i knew immediately what happened"
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that was way too many replies, you will never get that time back.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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