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dula dibiasi
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"oh btw: mike d'antoni's offense just won a title."


  

          

mad?

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The Golden State Warriors won an NBA title on Tuesday pushing the pace, launching 3s and starting a 6-foot-6 'center.' Associate head coach Alvin Gentry, who will make Anthony Davis' New Orleans Pelicans more fun next season, excitedly credited Phoenix Suns head coach Mike D'Antoni while celebrating. Gentry served under D'Antoni during the seven-seconds-or-less era, and he hasn't forgotten all the crazy criticism that coaching staff received for the sort of outside-the-box thinking that completely changed the game.

From ESPN's Ethan Sherwood Strauss:

@SherwoodStrauss
Victorious Gentry: "Tell Mike D'Antoni he's vindicated! We just kicked everyone's ass playing the way everybody complained about!"
11:53 PM - 16 Jun 2015

Gentry elaborated to Bleacher Report's Howard Beck:

“I would say this is vindication for Mike D’Antoni, if nothing else. We played like he’s been trying to get this league to play forever, and you can win a championship like that. So for all the people that said you can’t win a championship being a three-point shooting team and not really a low-post presence or anything like that, we just did it. So I think it's great for Mike D’Antoni.”

Asked postgame about Stephen Curry breaking the mold for a transformative player, Golden State head coach Steve Kerr referenced D'Antoni and Steve Nash's Suns, too. "Steve was kind of the original Steph Curry," he said, adding that he thought Phoenix was going to win a title that way.

"I think Steve kind of laid out a vision for a whole generation of young point guards," Kerr said. "And with the game changing, Mike D'Antoni kind of initiating that style in Phoenix, the floor starting to spread, the whole league kind of playing shooting 4s and 5s and playing a little faster, I think Mike and Steve in many ways set the table for Steph Curry. And I think Steph would tell you that, too."

Kerr told ESPN that the Miami Heat and San Antonio Spurs, with their spacing and shooting, had already vindicated D'Antoni. For some, that is certainly true, but the Warriors winning means much more. To the Charles Barkleys of the world, the Heat's system wasn't relevant because they had LeBron James on the roster. The same goes for the Spurs and Tim Duncan. Golden State just won the Larry O'Brien trophy with Curry breaking 3-point shooting records alongside four 6-6 to 6-7 guys in the starting lineup. Fans of those Phoenix teams should have smiles on their faces, and it's not just because of Leandro Barbosa finally winning a ring.

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too bad his defense didn't exist in these (or any) finals
Jun 19th 2015
1
oh btw: Tex Winter/Phil Jackson's offense led the Knicks to 17-65
Jun 19th 2015
2
That's cool. But they also had the best defense in the league.
Jun 19th 2015
3
RE: oh btw: mike d'antoni's offense just won a title.
Jun 19th 2015
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http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mecwb2rG1w1rrr2r7o1_250.gif
Jun 19th 2015
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ironically Kerr blew up D'antoni's system in PHX with the Shaq trade
Jun 19th 2015
6
Facts, but they can't see past Pringles
Jun 19th 2015
7
It's Not About That
Jun 19th 2015
8
      Plenty of people hated his approach to offense
Jun 19th 2015
25
      It would have been more palatable if they pla6ed defense.
Jun 19th 2015
30
      The Finals MVP of the series was an awful shooter
Jun 20th 2015
34
      nobody? lol, revisionism on the fly, i love it.
Jun 21st 2015
38
not to mention, its not terrible to shoot alot of 3's when you have the ...
Jun 19th 2015
9
if only he had a clue how to coach defense and not alienate his players
Jun 19th 2015
10
Guinness somewhere dancing
Jun 19th 2015
11
DUANE!!!
Jun 19th 2015
12
LMAO!!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!! "Duane!!!" came in and caught me off guard...
Jun 19th 2015
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https://www.facebook.com/ShaadowSefiroth/videos/948721308492049/
Jun 20th 2015
35
whatever, no one disputed he had some good ideas offensively
Jun 19th 2015
13
Championship coach just lauded D'Antoni...
Jun 19th 2015
31
      Steph Curry lauded Mark Jackson this year
Jun 20th 2015
37
already brought up but no one ever had beef w/ d'antoni's offense.
Jun 19th 2015
14
^^^^^^
Jun 19th 2015
15
exactly. Mark Jackson made sure they committed to defense
Jun 19th 2015
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      Jackson's most successful team? Indiana Pacers
Jun 20th 2015
33
great! where was he? n/m
Jun 19th 2015
16
haha
Jun 19th 2015
17
making adjustments...to that nice John Deere riding mower he got.
Jun 19th 2015
28
usually you coon, THEN you get the job.
Jun 19th 2015
19
out of line, dogg.
Jun 19th 2015
21
      lol ok maybe I took it too far.
Jun 19th 2015
22
           ^^^^these mofos don't hear you though - D'Antoni ain't invent shit
Jun 19th 2015
24
           why would he thank Mark Jackson though?
Jun 19th 2015
26
           thats fine, thats his boy.
Jun 19th 2015
27
           i think you need to relax in your approach to this situation
Jun 22nd 2015
40
The guy Mike D'Antoni benched was 2nd team all NBA this year.
Jun 19th 2015
20
shame on you dula
Jun 19th 2015
29
Remember when Pringles made Carmelo point forward?
Jun 20th 2015
32
      What respect is that? That he was a D grade Pippen for a losing team?
Jun 22nd 2015
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*ctrl-F* "Nelly ball"
Jun 20th 2015
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Cenario
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1. "too bad his defense didn't exist in these (or any) finals"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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2. "oh btw: Tex Winter/Phil Jackson's offense led the Knicks to 17-65"
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Mad?

  

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3. "That's cool. But they also had the best defense in the league."
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Something D'Antoni never had.

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4. "RE: oh btw: mike d'antoni's offense just won a title."
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Did Mike's defense win a title as well?

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5. "http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mecwb2rG1w1rrr2r7o1_250.gif"
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>Asked postgame about Stephen Curry breaking the mold for a
>transformative player, Golden State head coach Steve Kerr
>referenced D'Antoni and Steve Nash's Suns, too. "Steve was
>kind of the original Steph Curry," he said, adding that he
>thought Phoenix was going to win a title that way.
>
>"I think Steve kind of laid out a vision for a whole
>generation of young point guards," Kerr said. "And with the
>game changing, Mike D'Antoni kind of initiating that style in
>Phoenix, the floor starting to spread, the whole league kind
>of playing shooting 4s and 5s and playing a little faster, I
>think Mike and Steve in many ways set the table for Steph
>Curry. And I think Steph would tell you that, too."

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6. "ironically Kerr blew up D'antoni's system in PHX with the Shaq trade"
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>Asked postgame about Stephen Curry breaking the mold for a
>transformative player, Golden State head coach Steve Kerr
>referenced D'Antoni and Steve Nash's Suns, too. "Steve was
>kind of the original Steph Curry," he said, adding that he
>thought Phoenix was going to win a title that way.

because he didn't think the Suns could beat Duncan and the Spurs and win a title that way.

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7. "Facts, but they can't see past Pringles"
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8. "It's Not About That"
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Nobody had a problem with his offense
EVERYBODY had a problem with his defense

GS won with the best offense AND the best defense in the league.

When Woodson coached the Knicks, he even took from D'Antoni's offense. Woodson then brought veterans and a defensive presence, something that everyone was saying was wrong with Pringles

This is the dude in Phoenix that didn't want to hire Thibs as an assistant coach for defense. Doc did and he won a title.

  

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25. "Plenty of people hated his approach to offense"
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"You can't win shooting jumpers," "They need a traditional post-up game," that BS.

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30. "It would have been more palatable if they pla6ed defense."
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I mean people said the same thing about gs offense, yet they were the favorite in every round. When those jumpers arent falling, you gotta be able to get stops. Dantoni teams could never do that.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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34. "The Finals MVP of the series was an awful shooter"
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He was an athletic rough and tumble defensive
wing

Klay Thompson, maybe the 2nd best shooter in the league,
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38. "nobody? lol, revisionism on the fly, i love it."
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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9. "not to mention, its not terrible to shoot alot of 3's when you have the ..."
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3pt shooting backcourt in the league.

D'antoni would try to force fit the same thing on a team with terrible 3pt shooters

And not care about defense obviously.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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10. "if only he had a clue how to coach defense and not alienate his players"
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11. "Guinness somewhere dancing"
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12. "DUANE!!!"
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https://youtu.be/mGvdVXxFkY4

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18. "LMAO!!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!! "Duane!!!" came in and caught me off guard..."
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I wasn't ready for her to yell it at that point.

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35. "https://www.facebook.com/ShaadowSefiroth/videos/948721308492049/"
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like dis..

https://www.facebook.com/ShaadowSefiroth/videos/948721308492049/

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13. "whatever, no one disputed he had some good ideas offensively"
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he's a bad coach though

  

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31. "Championship coach just lauded D'Antoni..."
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...oh but he a bad coach tho.

  

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37. "Steph Curry lauded Mark Jackson this year"
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Not sure what the problem is here

And Lebron has lauded Mike Brown on multiple occasions

We only trust positive opinions about white coaches, tho

  

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14. "already brought up but no one ever had beef w/ d'antoni's offense."
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the problem is d'antoni literally can't coach (or find an assistant that could) coach defense or figure out a way to integrate a defensive philosophy that worked with said offense. Mark Jackson and Steve Kerr did.

  

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15. "^^^^^^"
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>the problem is d'antoni literally can't coach (or find an
>assistant that could) coach defense or figure out a way to
>integrate a defensive philosophy that worked with said
>offense. Mark Jackson and Steve Kerr did.

  

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23. "exactly. Mark Jackson made sure they committed to defense"
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so that when this D'Antoni style was added, they didn't play on just one end of the floor.

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33. "Jackson's most successful team? Indiana Pacers"
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One of the toughest teams we've seen since
the Bad Boy Pistons

He so obviously brought that tough attitude to
Golden State

Jackson is the one fouling aggressively refusing
to let Houston get the 3point record

He's a tough coach. And THAT attitude is as much of the
reason Golden State is great

If he was white, we'd say it

  

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16. "great! where was he? n/m"
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17. "haha"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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28. "making adjustments...to that nice John Deere riding mower he got."
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19. "usually you coon, THEN you get the job."
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he hustling backwards. This that "please don't take Anthony Davis away" level Apollo stump-rubbing.

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21. "out of line, dogg."
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seriously.

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22. "lol ok maybe I took it too far."
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let me refine my comment.

I'm from North Carolina, and to me, the inventor of "fast break basketball" will forever be John McClendon. Now I would hope Gentry is familiar with this man and his work but to heap praise on D'Antoni? Meh, hits a little weak when there are so many other contributing parts to that narrative and style.

I got respect for Gentry too, and think he will do well in New Orleans, just struck me as odd to go out of your way to give a coach not with the organization props for this championship NOT named Mark Jackson.

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24. "^^^^these mofos don't hear you though - D'Antoni ain't invent shit"
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nor did Paul Westhead

I gives less than two fux how much credit ppl try to give them

Better change that post title and talk abt McClendon's contributions to modern day basketball





>I'm from North Carolina, and to me, the inventor of "fast
>break basketball" will forever be John McClendon.







>Now I would
>hope Gentry is familiar with this man and his work but to heap
>praise on D'Antoni? Meh, hits a little weak when there are so
>many other contributing parts to that narrative and style.

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26. "why would he thank Mark Jackson though?"
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D'Antoni is obviously his boy, and he's shouting him out. it's not that deep

  

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27. "thats fine, thats his boy."
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But I woulda rather he patted himself on the back, or said "no one thought this style would work" cause it aint like Gentry aint get laid off trying his own point guard mentality ideology.

Just seemed like a stretch. And he aimt got to give Jackson credit cause D'Antoni's his homie. But if you gonna give him credit then it shouldn't be seen as a huge stretch the influence Jackson had on this team to help make them champions.

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40. "i think you need to relax in your approach to this situation"
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you sound, dare i say, mad?

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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20. "The guy Mike D'Antoni benched was 2nd team all NBA this year."
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29. "shame on you dula"
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Look how many feelings you hurt.

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32. "Remember when Pringles made Carmelo point forward? "
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And lauding his ball handling and passing ability?

Remember how mad OKS got?

So now we can go ahead and give Carmelo that respect

I'm enjoying this now

  

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ConcreteCharlie
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39. "What respect is that? That he was a D grade Pippen for a losing team?"
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Reaching is one thing but these non-existent connections are another.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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Riot
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36. "*ctrl-F* "Nelly ball""
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Hmmmm



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