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"where did Lost go wrong?"


  

          

Like at what exact point did we realize
They were making this shit up as they
Went along and didn't have nothing set
Up past the pilot?
Do most serial shows have every episode
Mapped out in advance
or do they wing it and write and plan a few out
And add on as they get there?

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I think after they got the hatch open
Sep 25th 2012
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hmmm
Sep 25th 2012
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eh,,,I'd say AFTER that season.
Sep 25th 2012
3
it kept my attention full on untill hath got open
Sep 25th 2012
4
No way, Ben was one of the best parts of the whole series.
Sep 25th 2012
7
      eh it was too many cooks in one kitchen with him added
Sep 25th 2012
10
           Huh? There was no real villain before Ben. He was THE cook.
Sep 25th 2012
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                the point is that "others" had no face
Sep 26th 2012
34
all i know is...
Sep 25th 2012
5
I absolutely agree with this:
Sep 25th 2012
6
it was fun while I watched it
Sep 26th 2012
31
      RE: it was fun while I watched it
Sep 29th 2012
42
yeah the "Whoa" moments like that one made the show so much fun
Sep 26th 2012
19
I would say the season finale of the penultimate season.
Sep 25th 2012
8
i realized it after they got rid of walt
Sep 25th 2012
9
RE: i realized it after they got rid of walt
Sep 25th 2012
11
damn you missed the meat of the show...
Sep 25th 2012
12
It looked like Walt, only . . . . taller
Sep 26th 2012
30
all your questions answered (c)abc
Sep 25th 2012
13
When the Adebisi quit
Sep 25th 2012
14
dumping Walt was extra dumb cuz his aging had a built-in explanation:
Sep 26th 2012
20
Yeah, Walt and Adebisi were too huge shots in the foot
Sep 26th 2012
23
The kidnapping of Walt was one of the series highs.
Sep 26th 2012
25
      yup, especially cuz u had no idea who they really were, why they wanted ...
Sep 26th 2012
29
when there was no explanation of what the island was
Sep 25th 2012
15
I believe they went wrong trying to explain what the Island was.
Sep 26th 2012
21
      ^^^ this
Sep 26th 2012
26
      I'm kinda sorta with you on this, but...
Sep 27th 2012
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RE: where did Lost go wrong?
Sep 25th 2012
16
Exactly. Most shows get renewed year to year
Sep 26th 2012
33
Episode 2
Sep 26th 2012
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^^^^
Sep 26th 2012
35
I was with them all the way to the return to the island.
Sep 26th 2012
22
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6099973/unanswered-lost-questions
Sep 26th 2012
24
lmao, I loved most of the show but that's so good
Sep 26th 2012
27
lmao @ want to get into V??
Sep 26th 2012
28
a few different times:
Sep 26th 2012
32
when they went in the cages.
Sep 26th 2012
36
^^^ this was the first serious low point.
Sep 27th 2012
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      it was so blatant. THIS IS A DELAY TACTIC WHILE WE FIGURE OUT
Sep 27th 2012
40
Season 3
Sep 27th 2012
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RE: where did Lost go wrong?
Sep 27th 2012
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I am with your wife on Prometheus once I read
Sep 29th 2012
45
Is there a list...
Sep 29th 2012
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regarding Libby...
Sep 30th 2012
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when they started doing pop-up video style reruns.
Sep 29th 2012
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1. "I think after they got the hatch open"
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and specifically after ben was introduced.

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2. "hmmm"
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3. "eh,,,I'd say AFTER that season."
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That's when it got REALLY apparent, all this shit was just baloney.

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4. "it kept my attention full on untill hath got open"
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then it was less about surviving as a whole

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7. "No way, Ben was one of the best parts of the whole series."
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10. "eh it was too many cooks in one kitchen with him added"
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he was good and all but the shows raw premise was lost

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17. "Huh? There was no real villain before Ben. He was THE cook. "
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The Others don't really work without a fearless leader, one who manipulated even them to his own ends. Too many cooks happens when we get MIB/Locke, Widmore, Ben, Jacob's ghost, Lennon, Samurai Guy (forgot his name), I mean... too many cooks came waaaaaay later.

  

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34. "the point is that "others" had no face"
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they were mythical. Ben sort of set them up to be just regular ass people. That's my whole point. After his entrance we had a different kind of mystery, one that wasn't based on the fear of the unknown anymore

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5. "all i know is..."
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that the scene where desmond is like "i think i crashed your plane brotha" is still like my biggest "whoa" moment ever on a tv show.

ok maybe with the exception of the breaking bad "run" scene.

but still tho...i loved lost from beginning to end. was it flawed? sure. but it's still the most fun i've ever had watching a tv show.


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6. "I absolutely agree with this:"
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>i loved lost from beginning to end. was it
>flawed? sure. but it's still the most fun i've ever had
>watching a tv show.

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31. "it was fun while I watched it"
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but afterwards it was tough realizing the whole thing was pointless.

they had no plan, they changed the plot 25 times, and they never really explained what the island was.

in the end I'm not sure it was worth the time I invested in it.

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42. "RE: it was fun while I watched it"
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19. "yeah the "Whoa" moments like that one made the show so much fun"
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>that the scene where desmond is like "i think i crashed your
>plane brotha" is still like my biggest "whoa" moment ever on a
>tv show.

yeah that was such a great moment.


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8. "I would say the season finale of the penultimate season."
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I thoroughly enjoyed the WOW of that ending, but starting immediately at the beginning of the final season, every single moment seemed dedicated to "let me answer all of these questions in a painful, stilted, let-me-spell-it-out-for-you manner."

Also, the Jacob flashback episode is easily the worst episode in the series. That might be the REAL moment right there.

But I simply like to pretend the final season never happened.

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9. "i realized it after they got rid of walt"
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and brought him back all grown & shit

unless it's some kind of gary coleman situation, kids don't stay kids for multiple flashback-heavy seasons

that's when i figured they hadn't really thought this thing through

i shoulda just listened to rjcc from jump

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11. "RE: i realized it after they got rid of walt"
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>and brought him back all grown & shit
>

That's what happened? Im glad I stopped watching mid second season lol.

  

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12. "damn you missed the meat of the show..."
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the end of season 2 into season 3 was pretty damn awesome.


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30. "It looked like Walt, only . . . . taller"
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13. "all your questions answered (c)abc"
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Well, one question answered... but only if that question was "does Jack have a son?!"

  

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14. "When the Adebisi quit"
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I think they went back and re-wrote the entire show based on his departure. Also agree with the Walt thing. You will never convince me that he wasn't one of the most important characters, but they had to dump him for continuity's sake once he hit puberty.

You know what, it's still one of the best shows ever. That last season didn't negate all the enjoyment I had watching the previous seasons.

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20. "dumping Walt was extra dumb cuz his aging had a built-in explanation:"
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the island acts as a damn time warp! they really couldn't figure out how to work that one out?

and yeah building Walt up as one of the most important characters/links to the mystery of the island and then dropping his storyline was a huge fuck-up.


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23. "Yeah, Walt and Adebisi were too huge shots in the foot"
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>I think they went back and re-wrote the entire show based on
>his departure. Also agree with the Walt thing. You will never
>convince me that he wasn't one of the most important
>characters, but they had to dump him for continuity's sake
>once he hit puberty.


I think once they had to work around those two issues and 'pulled it off' (using that term loosely) they just kinda winged everything else.

  

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25. "The kidnapping of Walt was one of the series highs."
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Just one of the most chilling moments really I've ever seen on a TV show.

Unfortunately, when they dragged it out the next season and he became roughly the size of a high school basketball player, that showed a lack of foresight. I refuse to believe they couldn't have found a satisfying way to tie up the "Walt has powers" storyline.

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29. "yup, especially cuz u had no idea who they really were, why they wanted ..."
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Walt, or what they were gonna do with him. having no idea WTF was going on any more than Walt, Michael or Sawyer did during that scene made it that much more chilling.

>Just one of the most chilling moments really I've ever seen
>on a TV show.
>
>Unfortunately, when they dragged it out the next season and he
>became roughly the size of a high school basketball player,
>that showed a lack of foresight. I refuse to believe they
>couldn't have found a satisfying way to tie up the "Walt has
>powers" storyline.

dude, the island acts as a time warp! how hard would it be to explain Walt shooting up overnight when they had all that time warp/time travel stuff going on all over the place? just inexplicable how they blew that storyline so badly.


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15. "when there was no explanation of what the island was"
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despicable ambiguous horseshit of an explanation - they could have said the island was like a gateway or holding area before they went into purgatory or something damn!...lol
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21. "I believe they went wrong trying to explain what the Island was."
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Wasn't at all necessary to explain it. Somethings are better left as mystery.


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26. "^^^ this"
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They should've accepted that nothing was going to be satisfying and just kept focusing on the characters and the mood instead of insisting hand-over-foot that answers were coming.

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39. "I'm kinda sorta with you on this, but..."
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to me, all the explanation I needed was in the last season when Jacob held the bottle of liquid to Richard and talked about the island keeping the 'evil' from getting out (smoke monster). I thought that was perfect - it was simple and made me satisfied with the current scenario.

But then, a few episodes later, the story of Jacob and his brother is revealed and the smoke monster is revealed to simply be a mistake caused by Jacob, completely negating the previous analogy, which set my mind back to square 1.

One of the things that really bugged me about the show was I couldn't figure out why we were supposed to be seeing the smokey guy as the 'baddie'. All he wanted to do is leave the island, which is all our heroes wanted to do, so we're just supposed to accept he's the villain for some reason. He was right though - he was there by accident, his mother is murdered in arguably the show's most chilling scene, and he's kept there against his will under the pretense of lies. And he's the bad guy why??

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16. "RE: where did Lost go wrong?"
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>Do most serial shows have every episode
>Mapped out in advance
>or do they wing it and write and plan a few out
>And add on as they get there?

I think most shows like this have the first season mapped out so they can pitch it in it's entirety. After that there is no promise the show will be back.

This is why so many shows come in with an amazing first season then have no where to go.


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33. "Exactly. Most shows get renewed year to year"
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so as a writer it's tough.

you have to write as if it's your last season AND as if it's a plot that will continue.

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18. "Episode 2"
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Pitching a high-concept TV show should require that you have a concept when you pitch it.

Heroes fell victim to this as well.

  

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22. "I was with them all the way to the return to the island."
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Yeah I noticed storylines were abandoned for no apparent reason (Walt, prenancy issue) but I was hype as hell when they got the band back together to go back to the island. But once they got back nothing that happened after that made any sense.

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24. "http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6099973/unanswered-lost-questions"
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27. "lmao, I loved most of the show but that's so good"
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28. "lmao @ want to get into V??"
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32. "a few different times:"
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when Ben became the focus of the show or the main conflict, instead of the island & the mysteries themselves.

when Jacob become more prominent yet was still never really explained (except for one episode), nor did we learn what the island actually was.

There was also the point at which we learned the Island was an eternal struggle of good vs evil, so the Dharma era of the island's history was just a blip in the historical length of its existence.

therefore we spent like 4 seasons being completely focused on the Dharma era yet in "reality" it only represented a very small period of the island's history.

then they largely abandoned the Dharma plot point anyway.

So were we supposed to be focusing on Ben/Dharma/Penny's Dad/all that shit or on Eternal Good v Evil/Jacob v his brother?

The answer is: neither, really.

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36. "when they went in the cages."
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there is no other argument.

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38. "^^^ this was the first serious low point."
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Just bad writing too, really. It's impossible to sustain excitement with your main characters in cages.

If they wanted to show us the inside of the Others' operation, have Jack imprisoned and the others trying to free him or something. Don't imprison so many people.

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40. "it was so blatant. THIS IS A DELAY TACTIC WHILE WE FIGURE OUT"
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WHERE THE SHOW IS GOING

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37. "Season 3"
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Maybe you can blame it on the writer's strike.

But it wasn't until the first half of season 3 that I thought "These guys don't have the slightest idea where to go with this story."

  

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41. "RE: where did Lost go wrong?"
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>Like at what exact point did we realize
>They were making this shit up as they
>Went along and didn't have nothing set
>Up past the pilot?
>Do most serial shows have every episode
>Mapped out in advance
>or do they wing it and write and plan a few out
>And add on as they get there?

didnt read all of the posts so i'm sure there are similar experiences as mine...

in my house, my wife and i watched season 1 and liked it.
we both watched season 2 and liked** it too....BUT...

**my wife (a chemist/scientist type) liked and was intrigued enough by the questions to continue. I, on the other hand, became suspicious at that point that they were starting to make things up as they went. i felt like they didnt really have a long term mapping of the various cans of worms they had begun to open....so, after season 2 i bailed. (i may have watched an ep or two of season 3 but thats it.

My wife on the other hand stayed invested throughout. She had faith (like so many) that the writers were meticulously mapping the always expanding plotlines, questions, theories, historical, scientific and spiritual/religious references in an intentional way that, if a viewer took the time to piece together the zillions of 'clues', a viewer could 'figure it all out' whatever 'it' was...

My wife and her work crew would research discuss their different theories and stuff...scientific theories, mythological metaphors, etc etc...

so yeah she was all in.
but even though I am one who LOVES 'figure it out' movies and stuff, i was out after season 2 because i just felt like they (the writers) actually DIDNT have it figured out and were just throwing sheet out there .

so after 7 years, when the last season finally came, (the season finale specifically) i sat with my wife and watched it with her.


her reaction?

well..let me explain it this way....

to this day, you do NOT mention "Lost" in our house without risking an eye cutting evil look from the mrs...

...she no likey the wrap-up...

for many reasons, she felt jilted, duped, ripped off.

while she is definitely ok with spiritual elements too, and appreciated the characterizational elements throughout the series...i think, coming from her scientific background, in the end she ALSO wanted SOME kind of tangible resolution to some of the 'seemingly' solid physical island mysteries (which i dont blame her for wanting at least SOMETHING in that regard)...but she got none of that....

she's STILL bitter over that sheet....

she blames Damon Lindelof for her not enjoying Prometheus as much as she could have. (Ironically, I liked Prometheus and i actually have faith that, with Prometheus, there IS a mapped out plan/resolution...but my faith in that is really based on Ridley Scotts involvement.) My wife on the other hand, still salty from the Lost issue, has NO faith in Prometheus's 'big picture storyline being reslolved ' due to Lindelof's involvement...

so, she admits now that I was right about my "Lost is making that crap up as they go..." theory after season 2...
She thinks she is right about her "Do NOT invest any extra energy trying to figure out the answers to some of the questions Prometheus poses, Lindelof is just throwing ideas out there with no real overarching end-game"...

ahh well...we'll see how THAT one ends up....

or will we?


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45. "I am with your wife on Prometheus once I read "
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Lindelof was involved with the writing it immediately LOST(pun intended) points with me, I still enjoyed it though even if it had some flaws that were discussed on the boards already...lol
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43. "Is there a list..."
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... of unexplained/dangling plot points. I'm still curious about the 4 toed statue, Hurley and Libby being in the same asylum , why claire couldn't give the baby up for adoption, and why Smokey didn't kill Locke or Abedisi the first time he met them?

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46. "regarding Libby..."
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I wanted the asylum explained but also who her husband was, who died before she gave Desmond the boat to sail round the world on. I used to think it would be revealed to be the guy that Sun was having the affair with but the timings of that were about 3 years in between each other so it couldn't have been him.

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44. "when they started doing pop-up video style reruns."
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once abc tried to make it water cooler again for the final season, I should have known.

  

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