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Getting.Out.Our.Dreams
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"God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything"


  

          

Free copy of Christopher Hitchens’ controversial New York Times Best Seller (in PDF format).

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http://www.amazon.com/God-Not-Great-Religion-Everything/dp/0446579807/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217858529&sr=8-1

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Alcohol is great...and Hitch worships it
Aug 04th 2008
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http://www.latinoreview.com/news/images/user/will-smith-john-hancock.jpg
Aug 04th 2008
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lookin good, Hitch
Aug 04th 2008
3
cleanliness is next to godliness, so hitchens hates it too
Aug 04th 2008
12
At least booze is real
Aug 04th 2008
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      and a helluva lot more fun
Aug 04th 2008
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      RE: and a helluva lot more fun
Aug 06th 2008
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      etherous reply
Aug 04th 2008
7
      it's also a crutch for the weak
Aug 04th 2008
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           Yes. Everyone who drinks is weak. Classic Bags logic.
Aug 04th 2008
15
           that's not what he said at all, lol
Aug 04th 2008
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           that hack knows what i said
Aug 05th 2008
26
           and everyone who believes in God is stupid...
Aug 04th 2008
21
           you talking about religion or booze?
Aug 04th 2008
20
           I was anti-alcohol for 29 years of my life....
Aug 05th 2008
34
the one book i credit for finally turning me toward atheism
Aug 04th 2008
6
dawkins, harris better.
Aug 04th 2008
9
I agree about Dawkins. Harris...not so much.
Aug 04th 2008
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      i'll never read hitchins so harris wins by default
Aug 04th 2008
22
I Wonder If Bill Mahrs Movie Is Going To See The Light Of Day
Aug 04th 2008
10
NOPE! God be helpin'!
Aug 04th 2008
11
Dostoevsky smarter, wasn't atheist
Aug 04th 2008
13
I enjoyed it when he told Andrew Sullivan to stop being such a lesbian
Aug 04th 2008
14
holy shit, when was that?
Aug 06th 2008
38
Hitchens gives us a bad name.
Aug 04th 2008
18
lol. this is precisely why i love the dude
Aug 05th 2008
23
shame he shies away from debaters he knows will take him
Aug 05th 2008
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? who's gonna take him?
Aug 05th 2008
27
He's challenged Kissinger and Michael Moore
Aug 05th 2008
29
he shies away from his former protege, Dennis Perrin
Aug 06th 2008
39
      better yet:
Aug 07th 2008
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He's not sonning anybody. He's just line-stepping for shock value.
Aug 05th 2008
33
      did i mention the Iraq War at all?
Aug 06th 2008
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           Oh, so when he talks about one thing he's a master of logical discourse,
Aug 06th 2008
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                hahaha
Aug 07th 2008
46
                Do you actually read his pieces on Iraq?
Aug 07th 2008
51
So you want to be percieved as a witless bore?
Aug 05th 2008
31
Sagan: The Varieties of Scientific Experience
Aug 04th 2008
19
most etherous thing i've read on religion is the original sin speech
Aug 05th 2008
24
RE: most etherous thing i've read on religion is the original sin speec...
Aug 05th 2008
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      Ayn Rand
Aug 05th 2008
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      Doesn't mean she wasn't a great writer
Aug 05th 2008
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           She wasn't.
Aug 07th 2008
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                sure
Aug 07th 2008
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                you really should forget you ever read her
Aug 07th 2008
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                     You're saying I should blank-out her arguments?
Aug 07th 2008
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                          what? she's awful. stop it.
Aug 07th 2008
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                               her main criticism of people is the refusal to think
Aug 07th 2008
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                                    listen, are you still in high school?
Aug 08th 2008
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                ^never actually read Rand before
Aug 07th 2008
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                     wrong. I wouldn't say anything if I hadn't.
Aug 07th 2008
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                          hardly a hack
Aug 08th 2008
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                               There really isn't a difference in quality. Same trite characters
Aug 08th 2008
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                                    the characters embody different philosophical outlooks
Aug 08th 2008
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      Hahaha. Might as well be.
Aug 05th 2008
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i don't like the religion hitchens rails against either
Aug 07th 2008
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have you heard the Hay Festival Blasphemy Debate (2005)
Aug 08th 2008
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1. "Alcohol is great...and Hitch worships it"
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Steph: I was just fooling about

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2. "http://www.latinoreview.com/news/images/user/will-smith-john-hancock.jpg"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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3. "lookin good, Hitch"
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http://kylesmithonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/hitchens.jpg

  

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12. "cleanliness is next to godliness, so hitchens hates it too"
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<----- Long Live The King

  

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4. "At least booze is real"
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5. "and a helluva lot more fun"
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40. "RE: and a helluva lot more fun"
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lol

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7. "etherous reply"
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fuck christopher hitchens, though. religion is about the only thing he's right about anymore.

  

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8. "it's also a crutch for the weak"
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nm

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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15. "Yes. Everyone who drinks is weak. Classic Bags logic."
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And by Bags logic, I mean stupidity.

  

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17. "that's not what he said at all, lol"
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26. "that hack knows what i said"
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Steph: I was just fooling about

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21. "and everyone who believes in God is stupid..."
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Steph: I was just fooling about

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20. "you talking about religion or booze?"
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both i guess

  

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34. "I was anti-alcohol for 29 years of my life...."
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Now...

after too much hell...

I appreciate numbing myself

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6. "the one book i credit for finally turning me toward atheism"
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a great read. dude is too logical and smart for his own good. i think the main criticism ppl give me of the book is that it comes across as too arrogant, and not respectful of all the religions of the world. at first i thought ok that's a valid enough complaint, but then i thought....fuck that. Hitch is on the money, why should the book be toned down?

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9. "dawkins, harris better."
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16. "I agree about Dawkins. Harris...not so much."
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He's just not as good of a writer as the other guys.

  

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22. "i'll never read hitchins so harris wins by default"
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10. "I Wonder If Bill Mahrs Movie Is Going To See The Light Of Day"
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I thought it was suppose to drop in August.

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11. "NOPE! God be helpin'!"
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Hitchens am just mad.


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13. "Dostoevsky smarter, wasn't atheist"
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14. "I enjoyed it when he told Andrew Sullivan to stop being such a lesbian"
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38. "holy shit, when was that?"
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that's fucking hilarious.


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18. "Hitchens gives us a bad name."
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He just wants to play games. In that "Four Horsemen" discussion, he actually said he wouldn't want to live in a world without religion, because then he wouldn't have anybody to prove wrong.

Of course he was drunk when he said it, but that's hardly an excuse.

  

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23. "lol. this is precisely why i love the dude"
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he can be drunk and still son u in a debate (see: any of the debates on youtube).

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25. "shame he shies away from debaters he knows will take him"
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27. "? who's gonna take him?"
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even if u don't like his personality or the way in which he argues his points, his arguments are sound and backed up by logic, reason, science and facts. the dude is working with the truth as we know it, so who the hell is gonna take him on and actually succeed in making him look bad?

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29. "He's challenged Kissinger and Michael Moore"
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39. "he shies away from his former protege, Dennis Perrin"
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http://redstateson.blogspot.com/2005/09/lower-still.html

  

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43. "better yet:"
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http://www.citypages.com/2003-07-09/news/obit-for-a-former-contrarian

  

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33. "He's not sonning anybody. He's just line-stepping for shock value."
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Find him arguing his support for the Iraq war, and you'll see how full of shit he actually is.

  

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36. "did i mention the Iraq War at all?"
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we're talking religion ye? and his arguments are air-tight in that regard.

as for line-stepping for shock value, who cares? as long the meat of his argument is solid, which it is. his logic hasn't failed him yet far as i've seen. most ppl just seem to have a problem with him as a person. i wanna see the same ppl criticising Hitch the man attack his views on religion and god.

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37. "Oh, so when he talks about one thing he's a master of logical discourse,"
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but when he talks about another thing, he's an idiot.

Okey dokey.

  

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46. "hahaha"
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51. "Do you actually read his pieces on Iraq?"
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He attacks the Bush regime for being moronic thugs at every opportunity and attacks them for fucking up the execution of the war.

His stance is that overthrowing a tyrant, worthless extremist barbarians and introducing democracy to Iraq is a worthy cause that would not be accomplished through diplomacy.

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31. "So you want to be percieved as a witless bore?"
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19. "Sagan: The Varieties of Scientific Experience"
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http://www.amazon.com/Varieties-Scientific-Experience-Personal-Search/dp/0143112627/

That's the book.

Dawkins is good, too.

  

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24. "most etherous thing i've read on religion is the original sin speech"
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in Atlas Shrugged

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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

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28. "RE: most etherous thing i've read on religion is the original sin speec..."
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is that hitchens?

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30. "Ayn Rand"
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who Hitchens, and sane people, despise.

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35. "Doesn't mean she wasn't a great writer"
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...says Wrongthink

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41. "She wasn't."
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42. "sure"
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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

*puts emceeing in a box*

  

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44. "you really should forget you ever read her"
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its bad for you.

  

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47. "You're saying I should blank-out her arguments?"
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that would me highly ironic

I'm getting quite suspicious of this whole anti Rand sentiment

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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

*puts emceeing in a box*

  

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48. "what? she's awful. stop it."
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49. "her main criticism of people is the refusal to think"
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to shun or 'blank-out' the logical end of an argument

like you're suggesting

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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

*puts emceeing in a box*

  

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54. "listen, are you still in high school?"
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then it's ok.

but anyone over 16 still being an ayn rand fan needs to branch out.

  

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50. "^never actually read Rand before"
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...says Wrongthink

Real talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12JJv6yCk7Q

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52. "wrong. I wouldn't say anything if I hadn't."
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Anthem, The Fountainhead, ALL of Atlas Shrugged (yes including the Galt speech) and she's a hack writer. I don't have an issue with her philosophy. She's just...not good at writing. sorry.

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53. "hardly a hack"
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read some run-of-the-mill sci-fi or detective fiction then some Rand and there's a big difference

yes she's not the most literary prose stylist but then,
a) english is not her first language
b) do you want to turn a 1000 page novel into a 3000 page novel?

the way she was able to communicate her philosophy through fiction was masterful. in fact it's a staggering achievement

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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

*puts emceeing in a box*

  

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55. "There really isn't a difference in quality. Same trite characters"
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same overreliance on silly cliches.

Oh, and Atlas Shrugged might have been tolerable if it was shortened to 500 pages, cause she really didn't have 1,200 pages of material to talk about. As a work of philosophy, I don't care about it (I was actually recommended the book years ago cause ppl thought I'd agree with it), but as a work of fiction it sucks.

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57. "the characters embody different philosophical outlooks"
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they're not meant to stand next to the work of Dickens etc.

'writing' isn't limited to the area of poetry or drama

it's like saying Socratic dialogues were stilted

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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

*puts emceeing in a box*

  

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32. "Hahaha. Might as well be."
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=6798502&mesg_id=6798502&listing_type=search

  

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45. "i don't like the religion hitchens rails against either"
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but i love me some jesus

  

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56. "have you heard the Hay Festival Blasphemy Debate (2005)"
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Hitch and Stephen Fry for about an hour and a half. They don't really debate each other, they don't take opposing sides anyway, so much as discuss religion. There's a great quote in there, I forget who originally said it, in reference to the concept of God, "We are created sick, and commanded to be well".

Anyone know who said that?

I've heard people blast Hitch for about 8 years now, and I admit I haven't read much of his stuff since he left The Nation but I will always love and revere him for: No One Left To Lie To, The Trial of Henry Kissinger, The Missionary Position, & The Monarchy.

  

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