Free copy of Christopher Hitchens’ controversial New York Times Best Seller (in PDF format).

http://www.zshare.net/download/165089889cf4d170/

http://www.amazon.com/God-Not-Great-Religion-Everything/dp/0446579807/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217858529&sr=8-1

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lol

fuck christopher hitchens, though. religion is about the only thing he's right about anymore.

nm

And by Bags logic, I mean stupidity.

both i guess

Now...

after too much hell...

I appreciate numbing myself

lol

a great read. dude is too logical and smart for his own good. i think the main criticism ppl give me of the book is that it comes across as too arrogant, and not respectful of all the religions of the world. at first i thought ok that's a valid enough complaint, but then i thought....fuck that. Hitch is on the money, why should the book be toned down?

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He's just not as good of a writer as the other guys.

I thought it was suppose to drop in August.

Hitchens am just mad.

that's fucking hilarious.

He just wants to play games. In that "Four Horsemen" discussion, he actually said he wouldn't want to live in a world without religion, because then he wouldn't have anybody to prove wrong.

Of course he was drunk when he said it, but that's hardly an excuse.

he can be drunk and still son u in a debate (see: any of the debates on youtube).

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even if u don't like his personality or the way in which he argues his points, his arguments are sound and backed up by logic, reason, science and facts. the dude is working with the truth as we know it, so who the hell is gonna take him on and actually succeed in making him look bad?

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http://redstateson.blogspot.com/2005/09/lower-still.html

http://www.citypages.com/2003-07-09/news/obit-for-a-former-contrarian

Find him arguing his support for the Iraq war, and you'll see how full of shit he actually is.

we're talking religion ye? and his arguments are air-tight in that regard.

as for line-stepping for shock value, who cares? as long the meat of his argument is solid, which it is. his logic hasn't failed him yet far as i've seen. most ppl just seem to have a problem with him as a person. i wanna see the same ppl criticising Hitch the man attack his views on religion and god.

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but when he talks about another thing, he's an idiot.

Okey dokey.

He attacks the Bush regime for being moronic thugs at every opportunity and attacks them for fucking up the execution of the war.

His stance is that overthrowing a tyrant, worthless extremist barbarians and introducing democracy to Iraq is a worthy cause that would not be accomplished through diplomacy.

http://www.amazon.com/Varieties-Scientific-Experience-Personal-Search/dp/0143112627/

That's the book.

Dawkins is good, too.

in Atlas Shrugged

is that hitchens?

who Hitchens, and sane people, despise.

its bad for you.

that would me highly ironic

I'm getting quite suspicious of this whole anti Rand sentiment

to shun or 'blank-out' the logical end of an argument

like you're suggesting

then it's ok.

but anyone over 16 still being an ayn rand fan needs to branch out.

Anthem, The Fountainhead, ALL of Atlas Shrugged (yes including the Galt speech) and she's a hack writer. I don't have an issue with her philosophy. She's just...not good at writing. sorry.

read some run-of-the-mill sci-fi or detective fiction then some Rand and there's a big difference

yes she's not the most literary prose stylist but then,
a) english is not her first language
b) do you want to turn a 1000 page novel into a 3000 page novel?

the way she was able to communicate her philosophy through fiction was masterful. in fact it's a staggering achievement

same overreliance on silly cliches.

Oh, and Atlas Shrugged might have been tolerable if it was shortened to 500 pages, cause she really didn't have 1,200 pages of material to talk about. As a work of philosophy, I don't care about it (I was actually recommended the book years ago cause ppl thought I'd agree with it), but as a work of fiction it sucks.

they're not meant to stand next to the work of Dickens etc.

'writing' isn't limited to the area of poetry or drama

it's like saying Socratic dialogues were stilted

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but i love me some jesus

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Hitch and Stephen Fry for about an hour and a half. They don't really debate each other, they don't take opposing sides anyway, so much as discuss religion. There's a great quote in there, I forget who originally said it, in reference to the concept of God, "We are created sick, and commanded to be well".

Anyone know who said that?

I've heard people blast Hitch for about 8 years now, and I admit I haven't read much of his stuff since he left The Nation but I will always love and revere him for: No One Left To Lie To, The Trial of Henry Kissinger, The Missionary Position, & The Monarchy.