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Basaglia
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"Poll question: How will Spike react when Miracle at St. Anna wins nothing?"
Thu Jun-26-08 08:58 PM by Basaglia

  

          

I'm pretty sure he's eroded all his good will in recent weeks.

Poll result (23 votes)
He'll recruit Jordan, Denzel and Tuturro for a 30 second PSA wherein all 3 men stand eerily still and simply chant "racism" in perfect harmony. (1 votes)Vote
He'll make a scathingly accurate doc about the history of racism in Hollywood from inception to present day. (9 votes)Vote
He'll stand outside Kodak in 2010 and pass out copies of Eastwood's bomb The Rookie and Grindhouse and remind people he never made anything that bad. (1 votes)Vote
Give them the greatest reaction shot in history by holding up a sign that reads "Denzel poked Julia and Will poked Charlize and I think Morgan poked Jessica...WF4BBC4EVR...TALK ABOUT IT!" (4 votes)Vote
He plots with Quincey Jones to sneak PE in the auditorium to perform a medley, capped off by Fear of a Black Planet (1 votes)Vote
He sits there and gracefully eats shit, in hopes they'll hit him off in 2012 (7 votes)Vote

  

  

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Topic Outline
Subject Author Message Date ID
He would do blue justice
Jun 26th 2008
1
He's going to get one late like Scorcese and his speech will b CLASSIC
Jun 26th 2008
2
yellow got me over crackin up!
Jun 27th 2008
3
Girl 6 <<<<<<< Grindhouse
Jun 27th 2008
4
RE: Girl 6 &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt; Grindhouse
Sep 14th 2008
71
      "<" is a 'less than' sign. ">" is a 'greater than' sign.
Sep 28th 2008
99
since it's getting "eh, just another movie" reviews, he wont be in the c...
Jun 27th 2008
5
Could you put up links to some of those "eh" reviews, please?
Jun 27th 2008
6
^^^what he said/requested
Jun 27th 2008
7
Bland Man is lying like fuck, doggy.
Jun 27th 2008
8
I'll give him a chance to post reviews pre-6/27/08...
Jun 27th 2008
12
check imdb and comingsoon
Jun 29th 2008
19
      "average people"? LMAO...hahahahahahahahaha
Jun 29th 2008
20
      Average people?
Sep 14th 2008
72
      There was one one-sentence review on Comingsoon. And IMDB...
Jun 29th 2008
21
hahaha u're upset
Jun 27th 2008
10
"If you don't like a Spike movie you're racist" (c) Okp
Sep 11th 2008
47
      Bingo
Sep 11th 2008
64
      But he's right, though
Sep 12th 2008
66
           which doesnt make him infallible.
Sep 12th 2008
67
                Dude, don't bring up "She Hate Me". The debates about that flick...
Sep 13th 2008
68
                     His miss percentage is no worse than anyone else
Sep 13th 2008
69
                          You coming at the wrong dude trying tell me the merits of Spike.
Sep 13th 2008
70
WOW
Sep 09th 2008
29
yeah, wow at another white critic being scared of 'cism on film
Sep 09th 2008
30
      oh black people, why do you give a pass for bad writting?
Sep 09th 2008
31
           what's with white america's puritanical obsession with subtlety?
Sep 09th 2008
33
                So "black cinema" should be in the "nonsubtle" catagory of film?
Sep 09th 2008
34
                     i guess that's the natural progression of your way of thinking
Sep 09th 2008
35
                          you went there with subtlety being a "white" obsession
Sep 09th 2008
36
                               white americans...not the entire race.
Sep 09th 2008
39
                                    wait, nuance? Like SUBTLE nuance?
Sep 09th 2008
42
                                         well, that was expected
Sep 09th 2008
43
and another one
Sep 09th 2008
32
three people whose opinion i definitely trust saw it
Sep 09th 2008
37
I guess everybody wants that Academy validation
Jun 27th 2008
9
Sounds like Spike could care less
Sep 09th 2008
40
LMAO @ "...and I think Morgan poked Jessica"
Jun 27th 2008
11
the same way he did when "do the right thing" didn't win anything
Jun 27th 2008
13
It looks more like Blood Diamond than Letters From Iwo Jima
Jun 27th 2008
14
You just described 'Saving Private Ryan'
Jun 27th 2008
15
      Partly true
Jun 27th 2008
16
           LOL. Now you're just copping pleas to premptively hate Spike's flick.
Jun 28th 2008
17
                RE: LOL. Now you're just copping pleas to premptively hate Spike's flick...
Jun 28th 2008
18
RE: How will Spike react when Miracle at St. Anna wins nothing?
Jun 29th 2008
22
9/26 : this looks like its gonna be amazing
Sep 04th 2008
23
Is that your average person opinion?
Sep 04th 2008
24
      why yes, yes it is. they showed a commercial during the game
Sep 04th 2008
25
What was so bad about 'Grindhouse' again?
Sep 05th 2008
26
It sucked.
Sep 05th 2008
27
It's the only trailer I've seen recently that makes sense...
Sep 05th 2008
28
What I wanna know is why B9 is grinning so smugly at the bad reviews.
Sep 09th 2008
38
Could of inboxed, but wanted to be ALL up in the video...
Sep 09th 2008
41
In fairness, an "it's okay" CHUD review
Sep 10th 2008
44
The Doc had to vote yellow, that shit was too hilarious
Sep 10th 2008
45
Preemptive Strike: Spike blames his Knicks fandom
Sep 10th 2008
46
At risk of being attacked here, he's not wrong.
Sep 11th 2008
52
with no bias i agree with you a 100%
Sep 11th 2008
54
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy
Sep 11th 2008
55
      shit, talking about wanting an Oscar or your Oscar chances at all
Sep 11th 2008
56
      Nah, you have to play the game
Sep 11th 2008
58
           there's playing the game and then there's saying "I was screwed"
Sep 11th 2008
60
                I don't know how the Academy has gotten better
Sep 11th 2008
61
      Blame the academy, not Spike
Sep 11th 2008
57
           I said Spike's better off
Sep 11th 2008
59
Spike ethered them + notice he didn't mention race
Sep 11th 2008
53
Please don't start backing this movie. You're 0 for infinity this year.....
Sep 11th 2008
48
shut up
Sep 11th 2008
49
lol
Sep 22nd 2008
74
RE: How will Spike react when Miracle at St. Anna wins nothing?
Sep 11th 2008
50
I trust your commentary just as much as anyone's.
Sep 11th 2008
51
Cool what grade would you give?
Sep 11th 2008
62
'cism
Sep 11th 2008
63
Yellow is now becoming my favorite color
Sep 12th 2008
65
Why is that guy always angry?
Sep 16th 2008
73
Saw it last nite. I'd be surprised if it even got nominted.
Sep 24th 2008
75
cinematics justify theatre viewing or wait for DVD?
Sep 24th 2008
76
Tough call. Glad I saw it on the big screen but not a must see there.
Sep 24th 2008
78
did you read the book and if so does it follow it closely...?
Sep 24th 2008
77
      Didn't read the book but I probably will now.
Sep 24th 2008
79
           *SPOILERS*
Sep 25th 2008
80
                RE: *SPOILERS*
Sep 25th 2008
84
                     RE: *SPOILERS*
Sep 25th 2008
95
It's at 19 on Rotten Tomatoes and 23 on Metacritic
Sep 25th 2008
81
dark knight was longer
Sep 25th 2008
82
Miracle at St. Anna: 2:40. The Dark Knight: 2:32.
Sep 25th 2008
83
RE: Miracle at St. Anna: 2:40. The Dark Knight: 2:32.
Sep 25th 2008
85
      That info is for evry'body to see, Negro.
Sep 25th 2008
91
           why in the world would i question if nick had the wrong run time?
Sep 25th 2008
92
                Cmon, fam. cmon.
Sep 25th 2008
93
                     *Death by the hands/door of the Doorman*
Sep 25th 2008
94
Wrong as usual. I had no interest in seeing Batman AGAIN.
Sep 25th 2008
86
      you lying...you saw it
Sep 25th 2008
88
           Nigga, just go be wrong. Again.
Sep 25th 2008
89
                you ain't gotta lie to me
Sep 25th 2008
90
It's at damn shame what he does to Omar as well
Sep 25th 2008
87
Pre-plea cop: Some of these reviews sound suspicious.
Sep 25th 2008
96
it's RACISM!!!
Sep 25th 2008
97
I didn't read any reviews before seeing it. Didn't wanna be jaded.
Sep 25th 2008
98
The same way he does every year.
Sep 28th 2008
100

Gemini_Two_One
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1. "He would do blue justice"
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!sig!

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2. "He's going to get one late like Scorcese and his speech will b CLASSIC"
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thats when he'll unleash on them jainks.

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3. "yellow got me over crackin up!"
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4. "Girl 6 <<<<<<< Grindhouse"
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...says Wrongthink

Real talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12JJv6yCk7Q

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71. "RE: Girl 6 &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt; Grindhouse"
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fuck no, FUCK NO!!!!!!! girl 6 was awful... can i please ask whats so bad about the grindhouse flicks. what did you and all the other haters not like

  

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99. ""<" is a 'less than' sign. ">" is a 'greater than' sign."
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Where's mathmagic when you need him?

...says Wrongthink

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5. "since it's getting "eh, just another movie" reviews, he wont be in the c..."
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just because Spike shits on film doesnt make it oscar worthy.

  

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6. "Could you put up links to some of those "eh" reviews, please?"
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7. "^^^what he said/requested"
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what reviews? folks seentidit already??

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8. "Bland Man is lying like fuck, doggy."
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12. "I'll give him a chance to post reviews pre-6/27/08..."
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...but I know he's just angry.

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19. "check imdb and comingsoon"
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average people have seen it and i have yet to see a "I WAS BLOWN AWAY!" or even the "o" word.

  

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20. ""average people"? LMAO...hahahahahahahahaha"
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72. "Average people?"
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like the ones that watch Meet The Spartans and Disaster movie?

Oh my bad, nobody saw Disaster Movie.

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21. "There was one one-sentence review on Comingsoon. And IMDB..."
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...I couldn't find any reviews at all there. If you could post some links, I'd appreciate it.

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10. "hahaha u're upset"
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i love it when spike brings the cracka out of the seemingly aight white folks.

  

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47. ""If you don't like a Spike movie you're racist" (c) Okp"
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hahaha

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64. "Bingo"
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66. "But he's right, though"
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Besides, Spike is one of the 5 best pure filmmakers
of the last generation. That's beyond debate.




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67. "which doesnt make him infallible."
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nor does it require everything he does to be praised, unless you'd like to tell me the perfection I was missing in She Hate Me or Girl 6. Good director+enteresting subject matter =/=INSTANT GOOD MOVIE.
See here: Fountain, The.

  

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68. "Dude, don't bring up "She Hate Me". The debates about that flick..."
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were beyond ridiculous. A few cats were riding hard for that movie on some, "You don't understand..."

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69. "His miss percentage is no worse than anyone else"
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Don't cop pleas:

Stanley Kubric made 'Eyes Wide Shut'.

Oliver Stone made 'Alexander'.

Each of those films were worse than a full length
film featuring the worse scenes of every single
spike lee movie stitched together into one film.

And 'Spielberg' made all kinds of dumbass films.

Scorcese is just overrated, really. People cop the same
"you didn't understand" plea with him too.

No one is perfect in film, but I'm not going to
entertain double standards.

  

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70. "You coming at the wrong dude trying tell me the merits of Spike."
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I'm a avid Spike fan. If he makes a shit film, I'll say it though. And won't defend it to no end like some folks will. Or if his movies don't get lauded with awards I don't cry racism. Him winning an Oscar is not going to make me recognize him as a Great director, because he already is one. In my opinion Spike has made 3 GREAT films:
Do The Right Thing
Malcom X
The 25th Hour

And a handful of really good films:
School Daze
Mo Better
Jungle Fever
Bamboozled
Crooklyn

Some of the others are just okay. And only maybe 1 or 2 suck like "She Hate Me" for example.

He's got a much better percentage than most directors. And you can put his catalogue up against just about anybody.

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29. "WOW"
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http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117938228.html?categoryid=31&cs=1

  

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30. "yeah, wow at another white critic being scared of 'cism on film"
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“I love Italy. I ain’t a nigger here,” one of them later says to further underline the point. Too bad the film wasn’t better written to make the sentiment implicit rather than needing to be said.

^^^^implicit? in the 40s...oh, white people, why are you so afraid of "the good ol' days"?

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31. "oh black people, why do you give a pass for bad writting?"
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Tyler Perry's Miracle at St Anna...you see the commercial where they quoted just one reviewer...from E!...

GONNA BE A HIT!
NOPE!

  

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33. "what's with white america's puritanical obsession with subtlety?"
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and without any disregard for REALITY. dude salty because the overt racism in the 1940s was scripted into the film? his review is auto-garbage.

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34. "So "black cinema" should be in the "nonsubtle" catagory of film?"
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Along with comic book movies, horror porn and college humor?

  

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35. "i guess that's the natural progression of your way of thinking"
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36. "you went there with subtlety being a "white" obsession"
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is that part of your M.Sham defense or what?

So let me guess, you hate Miles Davis as a musician too?

  

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39. "white americans...not the entire race."
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white americans are scared shitless of RACE...it's the only thing in which y'all CAN'T appreciate nuance

hence...

"i don't care what color they are..white, black, purple"

"i have black friends, therefore..."

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42. "wait, nuance? Like SUBTLE nuance?"
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43. "well, that was expected"
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32. "and another one"
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37. "three people whose opinion i definitely trust saw it"
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and all said it was plodding, overly long, and wack.

  

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9. "I guess everybody wants that Academy validation"
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But Spike should know better by now
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40. "Sounds like Spike could care less"
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>But Spike should know better by now

Like most stars and filmmakers entering awards season, Lee brushed aside the Oscar prospects for his film.

"Not concerned. It's not why I make films," Lee said. "If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/movies/1402ap_film_oscar_outlook.html

  

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11. "LMAO @ "...and I think Morgan poked Jessica""
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13. "the same way he did when "do the right thing" didn't win anything"
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he'll squeak, squawk, and cry racism until we're all blue in the face.

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14. "It looks more like Blood Diamond than Letters From Iwo Jima"
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You know, a standard gung-ho action flick with a pretty obvious message that it beats you over the head with (I'm not suggesting it's racist like Blood Diamond is). It might be good and get a couple noms but I don't think it looks like a real contender for anything.

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15. "You just described 'Saving Private Ryan'"
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"You know, a standard gung-ho action flick"

Check

"with a pretty obvious message that it beats you over the head with"

Check


(I'm not
>suggesting it's racist like Blood Diamond is). It might be
>good and get a couple noms but I don't think it looks like a
>real contender for anything.

"Saving Private Ryan" got all kinds of noms

And it was no world beater message wise

Very simplistic, in fact

  

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16. "Partly true"
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but Saving Private Ryan wasn't terribly gung-ho, which you admit, it tried to be more about looking at the gritty horror of war the soldiers were just trying to survive rather than the excitement or honor of it. So yeah I guess it is not a gung-ho action film at all, huh?

The cartoony action seen in the trailer for Miracle, plus the whole murder mystery/cute little kid sidekick/secret artifact/Italian peasant woman speaking perfect English plot devices makes this look more like a very traditional by the numbers Hollywood adventure flick. Like how The Inside Man is an entertaining enough heist movie while Serpico is more than that.

Shit, this may well be better than Saving Private Ryan on its own terms but it just doesn't seem like it will be a heavy hitter at any awards shows.

Plus, I'm not seeing a show stopping scene like the Normandy landing to secure Spike any awards for technical skill. With the exception of a couple big wide shots this trailer seems to cut around the action scenes pretty deliberately.


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17. "LOL. Now you're just copping pleas to premptively hate Spike's flick."
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>but Saving Private Ryan wasn't terribly gung-ho, which you
>admit

LOL.

No, I didn't "admit" to that at all.

LOL.

It was a very sappy, simplistic storyline with a message
that we were beat over the head with. That is exactly what
you are accusing Miracle at St. Anna of being.

Its a double standard, and it needs to be pointed out,
because you're well...sorta stupid for saying it.

And the problem is this:
the "hook" in 'Miracle @ St. Anna' is far more
interesting and provocative, and the message far less
simplistic and routine. Not to mention the backdrop
of race, which might be boring to you, but is powerfully
unexplored in WW2 movies for the most part(just ask
George Lucas how boring and unimportant that is).

Not saying the film will be better than 'Saving Private
Ryan'.

I'm saying that by your criteria, it should almost
certainly be nominated, if SPR was(and of course,
SPR was).

it tried to be more about looking at the gritty horror
>of war the soldiers were just trying to survive rather than
>the excitement or honor of it. So yeah I guess it is not a
>gung-ho action film at all, huh?

Actually, it was.

SPR was 100%, total, bananas gung ho, complete with gratuitous
violence.

Yes, it had rhyme and reason and a message....but so
does 'Miracle @ St Anna'.

Not sure why we should apply one standard to one film
and not the other.

They will both have gratuitous violence.

If anything, I'm willing to bet an arm that SPR will
be the film with more violence, as the violence plays
more of a role in the film's backbone than it does
in St.Anna's story. Like I said, in the latter case
there are several interesting themes and contexts
which make it unique.

>The cartoony action seen in the trailer for Miracle, plus the
>whole murder mystery/cute little kid sidekick/secret
>artifact/Italian peasant woman speaking perfect English plot
>devices makes this look more like a very traditional by the
>numbers Hollywood adventure flick. Like how The Inside Man is
>an entertaining enough heist movie while Serpico is more than
>that.

LOL.

"Cartoony?"

LOL.


LOL.


LOL.

Now you're being a dumbass. It looks no more or less
"Cartoony" than any other war flick. And it certainly
looks no more cartoony than many of the scenes in SPR,
complete with cliche ass characters

I mean, did Matt Damon even have any real goddamn lines
the entire movie? LOL. I get it...he's supposed to be
a "symbol"....doesn't mean he can't have actual character.

And Tom Hanks?

LOL.

Any depth there?

Answer: No. Not really.

Other than him being like a perfect leader, and all.

Still, SPR was a great film.

But it, clearly was the traditional good-guy-fights
-for-what-is-right-despite-the-odds-just-because-he's
-good-guy.

SPR was painfully run-of-the-mill in this regard.

Still a great film.

Problem is, you're just inventing reasons to hate on
Spike Lee, which I'm not surprised by, but it is rather
pathetic when you put your opinions under the microscope.

>Shit, this may well be better than Saving Private Ryan on its
>own terms but it just doesn't seem like it will be a heavy
>hitter at any awards shows.

Okay, but 'Saving Private Ryan' got nominated for lots,
and Spiel won BEST DIRECTOR for it.

So by your logic, Spike should be nominated for Best Picture,
and win BEST DIRECTOR for it, because the film looks incredible,
will almost certainly be shot very, very, very, very, well, and
has an interesting and provocative storyline, with good actors,
in an interesting setting.

I mean, let's not be creative in how we hate.

It looks like a good fucking movie.

Let's not invent criteria and standards that only apply to it.

>Plus, I'm not seeing a show stopping scene like the Normandy
>landing to secure Spike any awards for technical skill. With
>the exception of a couple big wide shots this trailer seems to
>cut around the action scenes pretty deliberately.

Are you kidding?

There are very few action scenes in the trailer. I dunno
about you, but I saw all types of scenes with Hector
Negron talking to the police, saw all types of scenes
with the characters just talking to one another, talking
about the miracle, etc. The most interesting aspects to
the trailer have nothing to do with the war scenes.

I mean, jesus.

Its okay to not be intelligent.

I'm not, however, going to pardon poor selective eyesight.

Do better.


  

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18. "RE: LOL. Now you're just copping pleas to premptively hate Spike's flick..."
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Ripped him!!

  

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22. "RE: How will Spike react when Miracle at St. Anna wins nothing?"
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this is a hilarious post

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23. "9/26 : this looks like its gonna be amazing"
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can't wait

  

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24. "Is that your average person opinion?"
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!sig!

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25. "why yes, yes it is. they showed a commercial during the game"
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and it reminded me of this post.

  

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26. "What was so bad about 'Grindhouse' again?"
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27. "It sucked."
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It did. Well known fact.

  

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28. "It's the only trailer I've seen recently that makes sense..."
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...without giving away the entire plot. So, he's got that going for him.

Mech

  

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38. "What I wanna know is why B9 is grinning so smugly at the bad reviews."
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Is there some personal issue with Spike? Is it your personal issue with Basa that's making you take issue with Spike? Are you a big Clint Eastwood fan, so Spike's comments left you salty?

This is a fascinating book, a really great story, an undeniably talented director, good young actors... and yet two reviews that are less than desirable (months after you already condemned the film due to IMDB user buzz) have you giddy like a schoolgirl.

I'm gonna assume it's just Basa that has you really peeved at Spike, and that's why you're rooting for a terrific story by a terrific director to fail.

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41. "Could of inboxed, but wanted to be ALL up in the video..."
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To answer:
I like Spike. For the umpteenth thousandth time. I like Spike, I like his movies, I generally agree with his viewpoints, I feel sorry for him when shown at Knicks games.
But I lost a lot of respect for Spike when he dragged Clint, unwillingly, into some PR generating bullshit. Once again: Flags and Letters were meant to be pitch-perfect recreations of a singular battle and the actual fall out of the actual lives the battle/AmeroPR bullshit touched. Not some catch all story about WW2, not some fictionalized (COUGH) battle meant to be shiny, happy and prop giving to all of gods children who fought so boldly, etc...etc...Spike in that tif acted as if he had not seen the movie or was being contrarian just to get his name in the papers. I wonder which it was? And if the argument is going to be Miracle is a "popcorn" WW2 movie, meant to shine the light on one particular regiment in one particular (marginally fictionalized for the sake of romaticism) battle, great, then be a popcorn movie and KIM. Don't box with someone trying to do something totally different; Spike had to go out of his way to make that beef about race, Clint would have had to go way out of his and reality's way to make Letters/Flags about or including black people.

And it looked like ass in a can from the early treatments and plot lines. Sorry. So yeah, I predicted the raft of negative reviews this film is soon to generate. I laughed a ton this past weekend when those commercials hit with a singular positive review quoted; not at the fact Spike is going to be left with a race-bait bomb on his hands, but that another attempt to sensationalize and demean another persons piece of work for your own glory BACKFIRED. Horribly. Kabloom.


That and it's another "Autumn of Basa's cred" moment.

  

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44. "In fairness, an "it's okay" CHUD review"
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http://chud.com/articles/articles/16289/1/REVIEW-MIRACLE-AT-ST-ANNA/Page1.html


  

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45. "The Doc had to vote yellow, that shit was too hilarious"
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Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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46. "Preemptive Strike: Spike blames his Knicks fandom"
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"My wife Tonya told me I may have hurt my chances with the Clint Eastwood stuff... They (Oscar voters and Academy bosses) take everything into account with me. They take into account that I like the Knicks or that I'm in New York."

Lee is adamant the fact he's a Big Apple guy has cost him an Oscar Best Director nomination in the past: "If you did a survey, the bulk of the people who vote in the Academy are in Los Angeles. There's definite bias, considering that my films are typically New York-based." He's still upset that his Do The Right Thing movie wasn't even considered for an Oscar the year Driving Miss Daisy claimed Best Film.

He adds, "Nobody is watching motherfucking Driving Miss Daisy today. Do The Right Thing is being taught in classes at major universities and high schools all over the world. That's how you're supposed to test art. Does the work stand up?"

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52. "At risk of being attacked here, he's not wrong."
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It took Martin Scorsese this long to win a Best Picture/Best Director.

Ron Howard? Cali guy.
Paul Haggis? Cali guy.
Clint Eastwood? Cali guy.
Steven Spielberg? Cali guy.
Soderbergh? Cali guy.
Tarantino? Cmon.

Outside of Woody, Marty, and Oliver Stone, there have been no NYC-based directors to get nommed for, let alone win, an Oscar. You've got Cali folks, Brits, longtime established icons, and the occasional other foreigner. Very very very few NYC directors.

Does this mean Spike deserves to get nommed for this? Not necessarily. But he's been passed up twice for what should have been locked nominations, passed up for Brits and established folks (ironically, Woody took what might have been his spot in 1989).

I know it's silly, it's coppin pleas, blah blah blah. But if you're Spike Lee, and you're looking at the history of Oscar, and you see lots of LA, lots of UK, and very few NY, it's easy to see how he draws his conclusion.

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54. "with no bias i agree with you a 100%"
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when u break it down hardly any NY directors get love at the Oscars. Its no secret that many classic and amazing films have gotten robbed for noms & Spike being a black director from NY makes his chances even more difficult, esp. since his films deal with race so much.

  

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55. "It's a self-fulfilling prophecy"
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The key is that you have to schmooze a little bit and Spike doesn't do that. Coming out and blaming his location is just another example of the approach that doesn't exactly endear him to the voters. Granted, he's probably better off not doing that but then he just has to come to grips with the fact that he's not going to pick up an Oscar.

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56. "shit, talking about wanting an Oscar or your Oscar chances at all"
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thats for the studio and paper to do, not you.

  

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58. "Nah, you have to play the game"
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James Caan had a great rant about it. He talked about how Roberto Benigni was all over Hollywood and at every party and that helped him out that year. People can blame Norbit but the bottom line is that most people in Hollywood just didn't like Eddie Murphy. Just this past year, Jason Reitman (a child of Hollywood) edged out Joe Wright for Atonement because nobody really knew Wright.

Do you think its a coincidence that Errol Morris received his first doc nomination (and win) the year after he filmed an opening interview package for the Academy Awards?

Having the studio push you helps but if you don't make the right appearances and let people know you are more than a "For Your Consideration" ad, you'll struggle to get the votes.

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60. "there's playing the game and then there's saying "I was screwed""
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I don't recall an actor or director outright saying they were screwed or they deserve a nod (which is just pretentious as all get out...has Spike seen all the movies due out prior to EOY?); The Robeto Begnini thing was a fluke, he was touted around because he was new to American audiences and a good guest because of his antics. Spike's beef about being snubbed was understandable, but the climate of the Academy around then was shitty. I think in recent years, since the Titanic fiasco, as I call it (in the aftermath, the Academy realised it had sold its soul long ago for blockbuster/familygoodness and turned its back on true art...there had to be hurt in the building knowing Boogie Nights was there), there has been a better reception for a variety of films. I don't think, from what I've seen and read, this is the film that Spike should be grandstanding for an award for; Inside Man...THAT was worthy of praise, but it was Marty's year. bad timing.

  

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61. "I don't know how the Academy has gotten better"
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The main difference today is that the major studios just don't put out many quality mainstream films. Personally, I don't think Titanic is any more of a fiasco than Crash or the snub of City of God for a best picture nom. (And I wouldn't even say Boogie Nights deserved the Oscar)

If anything, the Academy had become more pretentious over the years.

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57. "Blame the academy, not Spike"
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Why don't we challenge the academy to actually
reward the best motherfucking films instead
of shitting on Spike for speaking that there
lavalous truth?

  

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59. "I said Spike's better off"
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I don't give a shit about the Oscars. They are a glorified popularity contest (nevermind that giving "Best" awards for art is just kind of silly IMO).

The thing with Spike is that he marches to the beat of his own drum yet still seems focused on the Oscars. You can't have it both ways. Either give a fuck about the Oscars and play their game or don't.

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53. "Spike ethered them + notice he didn't mention race"
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That 'Do the Right Thing' point
was venomous

Notice how Spike didn't mention race.

He knows all the reasons he didn't win
the Oscar. Dude's not just some indiscriminate
race baiter.

He knows what he's talking about


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48. "Please don't start backing this movie. You're 0 for infinity this year....."
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in terms of picking good movies. And I want this shit to be great. Go back that Shia Leboeuf thriller or something for a month.

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49. "shut up"
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74. "lol"
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50. "RE: How will Spike react when Miracle at St. Anna wins nothing?"
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I'm not really great at reviewing films but I'll just say that I saw a press/industry screening of it last night at the Toronto International Film Festival. I enjoyed it and it didn't seem to drag, lots of beautiful shots/scenes and I did enjoy the holy boy aspect of it all. People in the theatre seemed to enjoy it as well with many applauding at the end of the film.

  

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51. "I trust your commentary just as much as anyone's."
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>I'm not really great at reviewing films but I'll just say
>that I saw a press/industry screening of it last night at the
>Toronto International Film Festival. I enjoyed it and it
>didn't seem to drag, lots of beautiful shots/scenes and I did
>enjoy the holy boy aspect of it all. People in the theatre
>seemed to enjoy it as well with many applauding at the end of
>the film.

I've heard the same thing

  

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62. "Cool what grade would you give?"
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63. "'cism"
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<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

  

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65. "Yellow is now becoming my favorite color"
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hilarious

  

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73. "Why is that guy always angry?"
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75. "Saw it last nite. I'd be surprised if it even got nominted."
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It had it's moments here & there but it was all over the place & kinda hard to follow.

While it's a very ambitious film, & well-acted by everyone involved, Derek Luke's uneven performance was the weak link out of the major players involved. When he was good he was really good. But there's far too many moments where it seems he's just in it for the paycheck that Wesley Snipes wasn't able to capitalize on. It's the other soilders & the little boy that really steal the show here. Matthew Libatique is also starting to make a name for himself as 1 of the better DP's working right now. And Terrance Blanchard's scores never disappoint.

I'm pissed I missed the 1st 5 minutes or so but I think everything comes full circle in the end. The pacing is a bit choppy & I'm sure alot of people will find the fantasy/miracle aspects a little corny. It certainly could've been trimmed down a bit but at the running time wasn't really a major gripe from my standpoint. There's not a ton of action but the sound effects during the battle scenes were just as good as anything from Clint's camp *wink*.

It should be noted that this is much more than just the "black" perspective of the war. The Italians are just as much if not more of the focus here. And while of course the subject of racism is touched upon early & often, we're not beat over the head with it like on the sports board. It's handled very well for the most part with 1 or 2 exceptions that I won't spoil. It'll be obvious when you see the scenes I'm referring to. If the 1st instance actually happened then it certainly should've been included. If it didn't (which I really doubt) then I think it should've been left out.

Overall I liked it but at this point it's hard to say it's deserving of any Oscar noms.

  

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76. "cinematics justify theatre viewing or wait for DVD?"
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78. "Tough call. Glad I saw it on the big screen but not a must see there."
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77. "did you read the book and if so does it follow it closely...?"
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bc i that the book was excellent but im a little concerned with how they would fit some of the sequences of the story into the movie

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79. "Didn't read the book but I probably will now."
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>bc i that the book was excellent but im a little concerned
>with how they would fit some of the sequences of the story
>into the movie

Such as?

  

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80. "*SPOILERS*"
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>>bc i thought the book was excellent but im a little concerned
>>with how they would fit some of the sequences of the story
>>into the movie
>
>Such as?


















such as the story of the black butterfly, the story of the mountain, and most of the mystique stuff. the sequencing in the book of these are usually after something major happens. looking at the previews and reading the book it looks like the preview shows things in order as they happened but isnt giving you the real deal of the story. people are going to go in thinking that its only about black soldiers (like you pointed out) and its not only about them.






*edit*

i just went back to your review and saw that you said that its all over the place and hard to follow at times. now that i read that im almost certain that it is going to stay true to the book which a cool deal to me. im going to catch it on saturday and give my thoughts.

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84. "RE: *SPOILERS*"
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>>>bc i thought the book was excellent but im a little
>concerned
>>>with how they would fit some of the sequences of the story
>>>into the movie
>>
>>Such as?
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>such as the story of the black butterfly,

They touch upon that but I didn't understand it. It might've been explained in the opening though.

the story of the
>mountain, and most of the mystique stuff.

The Mountain of the Sleeping Man's legend is mentioned quite a few times & you can see the face in the mountain which was pretty cool.
There's an interesting shot towards the end where it finally comes into play but my guess is that it was probably handled a lot better in the book.

the sequencing in
>the book of these are usually after something major happens.
>looking at the previews and reading the book it looks like the
>preview shows things in order as they happened but isnt giving
>you the real deal of the story. people are going to go in
>thinking that its only about black soldiers (like you pointed
>out) and its not only about them.

>*edit*
>
>i just went back to your review and saw that you said that its
>all over the place and hard to follow at times. now that i
>read that im almost certain that it is going to stay true to
>the book which a cool deal to me. im going to catch it on
>saturday and give my thoughts.

Yeah the whole story with the boy isn't revealed till the later 1/2 of the film & a lot of stuff is cleared up at that point. But there's still a lot of other underdeveloped characters who pop up every now & then & it wasn't really clear what their motives were & how they fit into the story.

  

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95. "RE: *SPOILERS*"
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>>>>bc i thought the book was excellent but im a little
>>concerned
>>>>with how they would fit some of the sequences of the story
>>>>into the movie
>>>
>>>Such as?
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>>such as the story of the black butterfly,
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>They touch upon that but I didn't understand it. It might've
>been explained in the opening though.

yeah i had to read his piece a couple of time to fully understand it.

>There's an interesting shot towards the end where it finally
>comes into play but my guess is that it was probably handled a
>lot better in the book.

cool deal


>Yeah the whole story with the boy isn't revealed till the
>later 1/2 of the film & a lot of stuff is cleared up at that
>point. But there's still a lot of other underdeveloped
>characters who pop up every now & then & it wasn't really
>clear what their motives were & how they fit into the story.

i know who you are talking about. i think if he did put the background of everyone in the film it would be over 3 hours.

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81. "It's at 19 on Rotten Tomatoes and 23 on Metacritic"
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And that shit is 2 hours and 40 minutes long. Spike trying to have my entire Saturday and shit.

  

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82. "dark knight was longer"
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and you anticpated that like prime on a curl route, knowing the ball got a 18 million dollar bonus check attached to it.

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83. "Miracle at St. Anna: 2:40. The Dark Knight: 2:32."
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85. "RE: Miracle at St. Anna: 2:40. The Dark Knight: 2:32."
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And that shit is 2 hours and 4 minutes long.

^^^^^that's what your boy said.

correct the bitch, not the nigga fuckin, doorman.

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91. "That info is for evry'body to see, Negro."
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Don't go gettin' all sensitive on us now.

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92. "why in the world would i question if nick had the wrong run time?"
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nick's always right..always successful.

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93. "Cmon, fam. cmon."
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Cordially,
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94. "*Death by the hands/door of the Doorman*"
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86. "Wrong as usual. I had no interest in seeing Batman AGAIN."
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Nice try.

  

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88. "you lying...you saw it"
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89. "Nigga, just go be wrong. Again."
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90. "you ain't gotta lie to me"
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87. "It's at damn shame what he does to Omar as well"
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96. "Pre-plea cop: Some of these reviews sound suspicious."
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I haven't seen it. It might suck. But many of these reviews talk about:

a) Spike shoving the horrors of war in our face
b) Spike's war movie being too long
c) Spike's ambition being too high
d) Spike trying to outdo other great war flicks
e) Spike's vendetta against Clint Eastwood

Is it just me, or do none of these comments (a through d, at least) sound any different than other great war movie? Long, unflinching on the horrors of war, wildly ambitious... aren't these the traits of war films?

I could be wrong. I might agree with a through d at the end of the day... but a number of these reviews are dismissive and didn't very eloquently tell me much I didn't already know. I expected it to be long, I expected it to show horrors, I expected it to be ambitious, I expected it to have discussions of race, I expected a big Terence Blanchard score draped over everything. These are what one should expect of a Spike Lee war flick, imo.

AND IT MIGHT SUCK. I'm not copping pleas for Spike, who is far from perfect. But I've read one too many casually dismissive reviews that seem to imply, "LOLZ @ Spike, he can't play with the big boys."

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97. "it's RACISM!!!"
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98. "I didn't read any reviews before seeing it. Didn't wanna be jaded."
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>I haven't seen it. It might suck. But many of these reviews
>talk about:
>
>a) Spike shoving the horrors of war in our face

The violence really isn't all that graphic or frequent so I'd have to disagree

>b) Spike's war movie being too long

It's long but it doesn't really drag too much

>c) Spike's ambition being too high

Sounds like the book was pretty ambitious as well

>d) Spike trying to outdo other great war flicks

Never got this feeling while watching it. A lot of it is quite subdued imo

>e) Spike's vendetta against Clint Eastwood

HA!

>Is it just me, or do none of these comments (a through d, at
>least) sound any different than other great war movie? Long,
>unflinching on the horrors of war, wildly ambitious... aren't
>these the traits of war films?
>
>I could be wrong. I might agree with a through d at the end of
>the day... but a number of these reviews are dismissive and
>didn't very eloquently tell me much I didn't already know. I
>expected it to be long, I expected it to show horrors, I
>expected it to be ambitious, I expected it to have discussions
>of race, I expected a big Terence Blanchard score draped over
>everything. These are what one should expect of a Spike Lee
>war flick, imo.
>
>AND IT MIGHT SUCK. I'm not copping pleas for Spike, who is far
>from perfect. But I've read one too many casually dismissive
>reviews that seem to imply, "LOLZ @ Spike, he can't play with
>the big boys."

Pretty much. The only real gripe I have is the lack of focus at times. It was the same problem Spike had with She Hate Me. But in this case its like a double-edged sword. The critics who say his ambition was too high would probably be the same ones complaining if the focus was stritcly about the Buffalo Soldiers saying it was nothing knew that they hadn't seen in any other war flick. I appreciated the ambition in this one a lot more than I did in She Hate Me. It's handled much better even if it still has it's problems with the pacing.

  

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100. "The same way he does every year."
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Smile and then bounce to the after-party, and then go to bed.
A true filmmaker, or any composer, will tell you...the awards are an after-thought.. and if they don't ever get it, then they won't.
Fuck 'em. The thought was expressed.

King James Bible states in (1st Corinthians 14:8-9)-"..Again, If the trumpet does NOT sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle?..So it is with you."

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