>but Saving Private Ryan wasn't terribly gung-ho, which you
>admit

LOL.

No, I didn't "admit" to that at all.

LOL.

It was a very sappy, simplistic storyline with a message
that we were beat over the head with. That is exactly what
you are accusing Miracle at St. Anna of being.

Its a double standard, and it needs to be pointed out,
because you're well...sorta stupid for saying it.

And the problem is this:
the "hook" in 'Miracle @ St. Anna' is far more
interesting and provocative, and the message far less
simplistic and routine. Not to mention the backdrop
of race, which might be boring to you, but is powerfully
unexplored in WW2 movies for the most part(just ask
George Lucas how boring and unimportant that is).

Not saying the film will be better than 'Saving Private
Ryan'.

I'm saying that by your criteria, it should almost
certainly be nominated, if SPR was(and of course,
SPR was).

it tried to be more about looking at the gritty horror
>of war the soldiers were just trying to survive rather than
>the excitement or honor of it. So yeah I guess it is not a
>gung-ho action film at all, huh?

Actually, it was.

SPR was 100%, total, bananas gung ho, complete with gratuitous
violence.

Yes, it had rhyme and reason and a message....but so
does 'Miracle @ St Anna'.

Not sure why we should apply one standard to one film
and not the other.

They will both have gratuitous violence.

If anything, I'm willing to bet an arm that SPR will
be the film with more violence, as the violence plays
more of a role in the film's backbone than it does
in St.Anna's story. Like I said, in the latter case
there are several interesting themes and contexts
which make it unique.

>The cartoony action seen in the trailer for Miracle, plus the
>whole murder mystery/cute little kid sidekick/secret
>artifact/Italian peasant woman speaking perfect English plot
>devices makes this look more like a very traditional by the
>numbers Hollywood adventure flick. Like how The Inside Man is
>an entertaining enough heist movie while Serpico is more than
>that.

LOL.

"Cartoony?"

LOL.


LOL.


LOL.

Now you're being a dumbass. It looks no more or less
"Cartoony" than any other war flick. And it certainly
looks no more cartoony than many of the scenes in SPR,
complete with cliche ass characters

I mean, did Matt Damon even have any real goddamn lines
the entire movie? LOL. I get it...he's supposed to be
a "symbol"....doesn't mean he can't have actual character.

And Tom Hanks?

LOL.

Any depth there?

Answer: No. Not really.

Other than him being like a perfect leader, and all.

Still, SPR was a great film.

But it, clearly was the traditional good-guy-fights
-for-what-is-right-despite-the-odds-just-because-he's
-good-guy.

SPR was painfully run-of-the-mill in this regard.

Still a great film.

Problem is, you're just inventing reasons to hate on
Spike Lee, which I'm not surprised by, but it is rather
pathetic when you put your opinions under the microscope.

>Shit, this may well be better than Saving Private Ryan on its
>own terms but it just doesn't seem like it will be a heavy
>hitter at any awards shows.

Okay, but 'Saving Private Ryan' got nominated for lots,
and Spiel won BEST DIRECTOR for it.

So by your logic, Spike should be nominated for Best Picture,
and win BEST DIRECTOR for it, because the film looks incredible,
will almost certainly be shot very, very, very, very, well, and
has an interesting and provocative storyline, with good actors,
in an interesting setting.

I mean, let's not be creative in how we hate.

It looks like a good fucking movie.

Let's not invent criteria and standards that only apply to it.

>Plus, I'm not seeing a show stopping scene like the Normandy
>landing to secure Spike any awards for technical skill. With
>the exception of a couple big wide shots this trailer seems to
>cut around the action scenes pretty deliberately.

Are you kidding?

There are very few action scenes in the trailer. I dunno
about you, but I saw all types of scenes with Hector
Negron talking to the police, saw all types of scenes
with the characters just talking to one another, talking
about the miracle, etc. The most interesting aspects to
the trailer have nothing to do with the war scenes.

I mean, jesus.

Its okay to not be intelligent.

I'm not, however, going to pardon poor selective eyesight.

Do better.