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LeroyBumpkin
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"CLEO SOL - Mother"


  

          

CLEO SOL
Mother
Produced by Inflo

https://cleosol.bandcamp.com/album/mother

Another Forever Living Originals release.
Folks that have heard it said the Sault Global collective has done it again.

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thanks for the heads up
Aug 19th 2021
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$80 on Bandcamp.
Aug 19th 2021
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      Been listening tonight and it's beautiful
Aug 19th 2021
3
           Yeah. 2LP will definitely do that.
Aug 19th 2021
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           For some meager savings on the shipping costs
Aug 20th 2021
5
                Actually costs 5p less for me on Bandcamp, with MP3s
Aug 20th 2021
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                     Interesting
Aug 20th 2021
10
RE: two listens through
Aug 20th 2021
6
on first listen
Aug 20th 2021
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You heard it too!
Aug 21st 2021
15
sunshine and 23
Aug 20th 2021
9
Great album
Aug 20th 2021
11
What a beautiful album
Aug 20th 2021
12
sounds Stevie and Carole King influenced
Aug 21st 2021
13
RE: sounds Stevie and Carole King influenced
Aug 21st 2021
14
RE: always thought that
Aug 24th 2021
20
Man, what a great connection.
Aug 24th 2021
21
      RE: Man, what a great connection.
Aug 26th 2021
24
Goosebumps
Aug 21st 2021
16
This is an album of movements.
Aug 21st 2021
17
this is taking me a long time to process
Aug 30th 2021
26
bit the bullet and copped - thanks to everyone in here
Aug 21st 2021
18
Really feel the love
Aug 21st 2021
19
Some added insight from Inflo
Aug 25th 2021
22
Cool to see 2Left on there.
Aug 25th 2021
23
Really good stuff
Aug 30th 2021
25
Great…Great…Great
Sep 03rd 2021
27

wrecknoble
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1. "thanks for the heads up"
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Thu Aug-19-21 08:38 PM by wrecknoble

  

          

really contemplating buying the vinyl but the 40 GBP plus shipping price is killing me - it's working out to over $100 CAD which is way too steep

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LeroyBumpkin
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2. "$80 on Bandcamp."
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I bit the bullet. I know the album is gonna be good so I don't mind I guess.
I'm actually surprised she didn't get the same
rollout that Little Simz got (video, multiple vinyl variants, etc.)
It was just "Oh, it's out this Friday."

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wrecknoble
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3. "Been listening tonight and it's beautiful"
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Just don't know if I can swing $100 (Canadian) with shipping

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LeroyBumpkin
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4. "Yeah. 2LP will definitely do that."
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I don't blame anybody passing on the vinyl.

But you're right, joint is sounding great so far.

Don't Let It Go To Your Head is....whew!

- Promises
- Build Me Up
- Sunshine (the end? maaaaan the groove)

I'm going to run this and the first album for a while.
In fact, I may just shuffle all the sault stuff this weekend.

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5. "For some meager savings on the shipping costs"
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and I do mean meager, try buying the album from cleo-sol.com. I saved about five American dollars compared to buying it from bandcamp. The bad side to buying from her website is that you don't get mp3's.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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8. "Actually costs 5p less for me on Bandcamp, with MP3s"
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So I might just purchase through there if I can muster up the courage to drop the cash

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10. "Interesting"
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I hear you on being skittish on coping the vinyl at that cost. The main reason I plunked down the dollars this time is because I'm not certain this record will be available on US based vinyl website where I can avoid the British shipping costs.

If I see an American site, I be sure to post it up in this thread.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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rmcphedr
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6. "RE: two listens through"
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this is one of my albums of the year - just beautiful music man. having recently had a baby boy myself, this hits home on a spiritual level.

Her and Inflo and Simz and co are really a musical movement unto themselves.

5/5

  

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7. "on first listen"
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This is really good, maybe not Rose in the Dark good but super solid all the way through. I'll save some nit-picking for later, right now I'll just enjoy these super-Stevie-influenced drums and go in for a second listen...

-thebigfunk

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LeroyBumpkin
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15. "You heard it too!"
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right now I'll just enjoy these
>super-Stevie-influenced drums and go in for a second
>listen...

I thought the same but wasn't confident enough in what I was hearing to properly describe it. It's subtle.

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9. "sunshine and 23 "
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dont let me fall
build me up

the flip on music?!

i liked rose better overall but im happy with it.

  

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11. "Great album"
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Definitely less consistent than Rose In The Dark, but the highs are much higher. Right now I'd say my favorite tracks are: Build Me Up, Music, 23 and Spirit. The tracks that I wanted a bit more from are Heart Full Of Love, Know That You Are Loved and We Need You.

Interesting that I see Stevie mentioned above because I definitely feel his influence here too.

Sol/SAULT/Inflo can't miss. On fire since 2019.

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12. "What a beautiful album"
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>CLEO SOL
>Mother
>Produced by Inflo
>
>https://cleosol.bandcamp.com/album/mother
>
>Another Forever Living Originals release.
>Folks that have heard it said the Sault Global collective has
>done it again.

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13. "sounds Stevie and Carole King influenced"
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Sat Aug-21-21 12:38 AM by Ray_Snill

  

          

man this is a beautiful piece of art. I'm not gonna lie, I got a little teary eyed on Build Me Up, it just moved me. also Inflo's production reminds me of Charles Stephney, particularly his Rotary Connection stuff




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14. "RE: sounds Stevie and Carole King influenced"
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Yep. I’m actually listening to that song in the car now and came to post something similar.

I thought given the title and her life I thought it was going to be more of a “happy” album about her own motherhood— but I love how the opening is her processing her own relationship with her mother— and it holds much of the complexity I still grapple with in the relationship I have with my mom. I wrestle every day with the passed down trauma she gave to me, but I am also who I am in this world because of her love and brilliance.

Lol I just shared a whole lot, but that’s what the album is doing for me

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20. "RE: always thought that"
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I remember the first time i heard 'miles song' and I was like: this is some Rotary Connection shit for sure.

  

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LeroyBumpkin
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21. "Man, what a great connection."
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also
>Inflo's production reminds me of Charles Stephney,
>particularly his Rotary Connection stuff

I've been trying to put my finger on the feel for Mother, and Rotary Connection is a good one.

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24. "RE: Man, what a great connection."
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>I've been trying to put my finger on the feel for Mother, and
>Rotary Connection is a good one.

yep, it's just like the slow groove from "I am the black gold of the sun"
which, btw, was very nicely covered in the 90s by nuyorican soul (louie vega and kenny gonzalez)

  

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16. "Goosebumps"
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Really don't have any words
It's such a deeply personal record...just wow
When you think of the growth and how prolific the collective has been
5 quality albums in 2 years
Salute!
Hope this covid $hit resolves soon so I can see them live

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LeroyBumpkin
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17. "This is an album of movements."
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1. This is a really good album. They've done a great job of making this a Cleo Sol album
that has Sault sensibilities versus Cleo singing over unused Sault records.
Cleo on "Let Me Go" from 5 is not the same as Cleo on Mother.

2. Before I talk about Mother, can we talk about Inflo for a second?
I'm sure we all recognize that the amount of quality the Sault Global collective
has released in the last 3 years is nothing short of impressive. But as the "leader"
of this group, I want to put name him as one of the most important musicians out right now.

I thought I read somewhere that Adele has him working with her on new music.

3. This is a long album. A few times I wondered if I was halfway through the album and I realized I was only at "Sunshine".
Side B is full of songs that sounded like album-ending songs so I kept thinking "OK, THIS is the end" only to hear a new song follow it.
I think that's because...

4. Half the songs have two movements to them OR...

From Cleo Sol's Instagram:
"I hope you enjoy ‘Mother’ And I hope you find some peace
P.s - There are a few hidden tracks"

So are the beat switches/2nd movements the "hidden" songs?

5. These are my favorites currently:

- Promises
- Sunshine
- Build Me Up (the beat switch to the 2nd movement? Man look...)
- Don't Let It Go To Your Head
- Music (my goodness, the 2nd movement probably called "Dangerous"? Bruh)
- One Day (once again, the 2nd movement)

The 2nd movements on songs are long enough that I'm kiiiinda mad we didn't get those as separate tracks.
Those "hidden songs" are definitely the best parts of the album.

While I really really like all of those songs, nothing has hit me like
"Why Don't You" from Rose In the Dark.

6. Oh yeah, the Stevie stylings are there. Good look thebigfunk.

7. Competition on AOTY is gonna be tough this year. At least for the music I've listened to.
Topaz Jones, Zo & Tall Black Guy, Mndsgn, Mach-Hommy are all up there.
Mother is right up there with them.

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26. "this is taking me a long time to process"
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I couldn't figure out why at first but I think it's because of a lot of what you note here: the two-part songs (or two-song tracks) almost make it hard to keep aware of where you are in terms of a track list. I normally don't care that much BUT

>3. This is a long album. A few times I wondered if I was
>halfway through the album and I realized I was only at
>"Sunshine".
>Side B is full of songs that sounded like album-ending songs
>so I kept thinking "OK, THIS is the end" only to hear a new
>song follow it.

YES. This is my current nit-pick. Right now, I don't dislike anything on the record. I like some tunes more than others but I'm not mad at anything, I don't get itchy fingers to skip ahead. But you hit on the head: there are a lot of wrap-up moments here, album closers and several of them come right in a row. It's a fake-out but not in a good way -- it keeps me from sinking into it a bit more, hearing it as an album...

Plus, musically and lyrically, it's not light. A lot of the lyrics are simply written but that doesn't take away from the heaviness of what she's talking about (it almost emphasizes it and complements it).

So yeah, it's going to take a bit to really wrap my head around this one. That's not a bad thing by any stretch though; it's a good problem to have.


>6. Oh yeah, the Stevie stylings are there. Good look
>thebigfunk.
>

What's resonating is that kind of minimalist drum work of Stevie that you also find on Minnie's records, a lot of classic Roberta Flack, so much other stuff from that period. Tight but also loose and flowing; crisp snares/kicks but often very hushed as a whole. And it's that drummming that connects direct to '00s-period neo-soul, too -- which makes a lot of sense as an inspiration to this album.

Combined with the confessional/honest element, this feels very much of that '70s period in soul/r&b but not derivative at all.

-thebigfunk

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18. "bit the bullet and copped - thanks to everyone in here"
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19. "Really feel the love "
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in how this was made.

Gorgeous stuff.

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22. "Some added insight from Inflo"
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CS_lvWuout1/

60% of @gyallikeclee vocals were recorded with Baby in her arms, Feeling & meaning behind everything. A couple vocal takes max, and she got it, She really tapped in to her ultimate self and told her story, family Discussions at the dinner table became songs. Our home is full of love, only love enter’s. it’s our sacred space ❤️we are one❤️

I called @benbaptie and asked if he can help us as we caught some momentum, creativity was just flowing. Ben is the best! beyond his great technical abilities he leads with feeling and can read the room better than anyone I know.

@michael_jablonka innocent guitar playing “honest”
@kadzmusic feel on keys “sent from god”
@2leftmusic tight drum groves “slick”
@alex_9000 free bass playing “never hits a wrong note”
@grahamgodfrey colourful percussion “immersed in syncopation”.
Their collective energy is what I’ve been searching for my whole life as a producer. God was truly with us.
Thank you @chriselliottmusic for pouring your heart into the string arrangements, such beautiful lines & movements.
Thank you Tom, Sophie, Emma,Guy, Lewis Wright ,Camilla. rak studios

Thank you Nathan Burke & Amber Letts & the whole forever living originals team.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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23. "Cool to see 2Left on there."
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He's done a lot of stuff with Dornik.
And his two beat tapes/demo albums are worth checking.

I type this while REALLY liking this ROMderful album.
I love this collection of young UK musicians right now.

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25. "Really good stuff "
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Thanks for the awareness

  

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27. "Great…Great…Great"
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This crew can’t miss

  

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