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"did anyone know the RZA sampled Stevie Wonder for Shimmy Shimmy Ya?"


  

          

i was checking out The Roots' twitter feed and noticed this tweet.

http://instagram.com/p/Nt4i07Qa5X/

then i stumbled upon this site which has the Stevie sampled cued up.

http://www.whosampled.com/sample/view/4476/Ol\'%20Dirty%20Bastard-Shimmy%20Shimmy%20Ya_Stevie%20Wonder-Knocks%20Me%20Off%20My%20Feet/

what are your thoughts about RZA's ear for this sample?

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I did not know that. Did he loop that & then play it backwards?
Aug 07th 2012
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I'm not sure
Aug 07th 2012
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Sounds like he's looping and panning those first three notes
Aug 07th 2012
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Chopped it and played it on the EPS/ASR.
Aug 07th 2012
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It's only the first and third note
Aug 08th 2012
10
He plays the 1st note 10 times & on the 11th time he pitches it down
Aug 09th 2012
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      Another (less) crude attempt to prove the theory
Aug 09th 2012
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           haha!
Aug 10th 2012
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this type of shit fascinates me...
Aug 07th 2012
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Whaaaat in the entire fuck.......I neeever, never ever knew this
Aug 07th 2012
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that's dope.
Aug 07th 2012
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YOOOOOOO . . . THE SAMPLE THAT STARTS AT 0:13
Aug 07th 2012
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I'm trying to remember, too.
Aug 08th 2012
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rza is out
Aug 07th 2012
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Yes, I've read about this before...
Aug 08th 2012
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I was unaware of this.
Aug 08th 2012
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haha that's wild. Never noticed before
Aug 08th 2012
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if y'all dig this
Aug 08th 2012
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BIG Cosign...
Aug 08th 2012
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RE: if y'all dig this
Aug 08th 2012
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fuck me, I need to hear this, LMAO
Aug 08th 2012
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FOH J-Dilla invented the chop!!!
Aug 08th 2012
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hahaha
Aug 08th 2012
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cool
Aug 08th 2012
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damn. it's practically untraceable too.
Aug 08th 2012
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At only two notes he wouldn't have to deny
Aug 08th 2012
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      nah...
Aug 09th 2012
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You know what really sucks?
Aug 08th 2012
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I'm offended by this comment from you
Aug 08th 2012
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^
Aug 08th 2012
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DAing: at this point, is "post-hip-hop" simply "indie"?
Aug 13th 2012
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This is what I halfway felt about Dilla on "Dooinit" because I never
Aug 08th 2012
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRGHH!!!
Aug 08th 2012
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it sucks that you think that
Aug 08th 2012
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      The facts that support my theory.
Aug 09th 2012
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           pretty sure that song went platinum
Aug 09th 2012
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           But why waste money on a Stevie sample
Aug 09th 2012
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           but he didn't and wouldn't
Aug 09th 2012
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                Then its all gravy!
Aug 10th 2012
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Too bad Premier has like 100 of those kinds of moments
Aug 08th 2012
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why can't we just appreciate what the RZA did in here???
Aug 08th 2012
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I dunno I'm kind of a buzzkill when it comes to RZA praise
Aug 08th 2012
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you want a pound, crab?
Aug 08th 2012
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      lol
Aug 08th 2012
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      ...
Aug 10th 2012
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never caught that! Very dope.
Aug 08th 2012
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whoa!
Aug 08th 2012
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absolute genius
Aug 08th 2012
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its amazing what impresses you guys
Aug 08th 2012
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shhhhhhhh
Aug 08th 2012
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http://www.spartanblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/396729_10101556689...
Aug 08th 2012
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Most of us have heard both records a thousand times and never caught it
Aug 09th 2012
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Yeah, for me it's more funny than anything
Aug 09th 2012
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you're missing the point
Aug 09th 2012
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^^^Chop That Down, Pass It All Around
Aug 09th 2012
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RE: beats/techniques go from okay to masterpiece because of who did it
Aug 10th 2012
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RE: beats/techniques go from okay to masterpiece because of who did it
Aug 10th 2012
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whats the unimpressive part?
Aug 10th 2012
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      RZArecta didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH or save the children w/ this beat
Aug 10th 2012
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THE RZA(rectahinyosectahfromshaolintotheholycityo'mecca)
Aug 09th 2012
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It's impressive that no one caught the source
Aug 09th 2012
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I don't think about it like that...
Aug 09th 2012
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      yea, everything you just said = my resourceful producers comment
Aug 10th 2012
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      they dont hear you tho
Aug 10th 2012
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I spotted that in '02!
Aug 10th 2012
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had it logged in my iTunes comments and still feel blown away
Aug 10th 2012
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1. "I did not know that. Did he loop that & then play it backwards?"
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2. "I'm not sure"
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the piano tone definitely sounds like the one from ODB's cut, but I honestly can't tell if he did do what you suggested or if he just chopped it up.

it's a cool find nonetheless.

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4. "Sounds like he's looping and panning those first three notes"
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1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2
1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2

Maybe he time stretched or pitch shifted some, I'm not sure.
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5. "Chopped it and played it on the EPS/ASR."
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http://i54.tinypic.com/2j51hj4.jpg

  

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10. "It's only the first and third note"
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The first is repeated 9 times and then the third note comes in

  

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49. "He plays the 1st note 10 times & on the 11th time he pitches it down"
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dun, dun-dun-dun, dun-dun-dun, dun-dun-dun, DUN

It's the same first note that he used to create that loop.

Here's a crude try at testing this theory:

http://www.sharebeast.com/v7wpuwgqtwhu

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50. "Another (less) crude attempt to prove the theory"
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http://www.sharebeast.com/kc6ej88ddu6o

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56. "haha!"
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Fri Aug-10-12 03:45 AM by Zarathuckya

  

          

good work man

I still don't know if it was a pitch-shift or whether it was the first and 3rd notes like Deluge said above

(I've got an ensoniq so I care about these things!)

  

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3. "this type of shit fascinates me..."
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mainly because I'm not smart enough to figure out how it can be done, lol. Have a lot of respect for producers and musicians.

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6. "Whaaaat in the entire fuck.......I neeever, never ever knew this"
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And it's bad that once you listen, it's extra obvious. Shit is crazy to me, I never even realized it was a sample. It was just a piano that coulda been played, but still, yeah.

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7. "that's dope. "
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8. "YOOOOOOO . . . THE SAMPLE THAT STARTS AT 0:13 "
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to like 0:22

what track uses that?????????

sounds like it was used on another track

i looked on the site but it doesnt say

  

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14. "I'm trying to remember, too. "
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>to like 0:22
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>what track uses that?????????
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>sounds like it was used on another track
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>i looked on the site but it doesnt say


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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9. "rza is out"
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his fucking mind...

technically not complicated...

but who would have even sampled it in the 1st place???

smfh

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11. "Yes, I've read about this before..."
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I suspect RZA used this technique a lot on the first ODB and also Tical. Listen to the "riffs" in songs like "Rawhide", "Damage", "Don't U know" etc. Basically, I guess he heard a *sound* he dug and then sampled whatever (anyone know?), chopped it up and then just played the notes he was interested in in those simplistic but really cool patterns that I think were a direct prduct of working with drum-machines and drum-samples, he just applied it to melodic loops instead. It wasn't really until the Raekwon-album he started to work more consistently with more "musical" loops IMO even if there are lots of exceptions of course. Still, much of "Tical" and "Return..." sounds like a dude just playing around with some sounds in an almost "3 year old kid at a piano/synth"-way...

EDIT:Or maybe he was just working with synths but I read that he used samplers exclusively early on...

  

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12. "I was unaware of this."
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Impressive.

I miss the days when cats did shit like this and then other cats sat around trying to figure out how they did it.

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13. "haha that's wild. Never noticed before"
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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15. "if y'all dig this"
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yall should check that summer chop #3

a few of us lesson heads did various takes on Lionel Richies "hello"

i think it shows how much can be done with sampling

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2724624&mesg_id=2724624&page=

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16. "BIG Cosign..."
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18. "RE: if y'all dig this"
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>yall should check that summer chop #3
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>a few of us lesson heads did various takes on Lionel Richies
>"hello"
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>i think it shows how much can be done with sampling

yes, THE FIELD is wide open

  

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25. "fuck me, I need to hear this, LMAO"
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>a few of us lesson heads did various takes on Lionel Richies
>"hello"

  

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17. "FOH J-Dilla invented the chop!!!"
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20. "damn. it's practically untraceable too."
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he could EASILY deny that in court if forced to.

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21. "At only two notes he wouldn't have to deny"
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he could argue transformation and KIM.
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42. "nah..."
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Thu Aug-09-12 04:54 AM by howardlloyd

  

          

it could be one note. the record company owns the "sound recording"

if they line up the two sounds and it phases out... ya ass is grass. thats what that bridgeport vs nwa decision said

edit - you are correct... you CANT argue the "de minimis" argument though (thats what i knew)

from the WIKI on the aforementioned case
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit reversed the decision and ruled that the sampling was in violation of copyright law. Their argument was that with a sound recording, an owner of the copyright on a work had exclusive right to duplicate the work. Under this interpretation of the copyright law, usage of any section of a work, regardless of length, would be in violation of copyright unless the copyright owner gave permission. In its decision, the court wrote: "Get a license or do not sample. We do not see this as stifling creativity in any significant way." This decision effectively eliminates the de minimis doctrine for digitally sampling recorded music in the Sixth Circuit, and has affected industry practice. However, the court expressly noted that the decision did not preclude the availability of other defenses, such as fair use, even in the context of "sampling." Thus, in the Sixth Circuit, defendants who digitally sampled may not rely on the de minimis doctrine to say that they copied such a small amount that they are not liable for copyright infringement. However, they may still argue that their use of the sample is still a fair use--that is, that the use is transformative, for noncommercial purpose, copied only a small amount, the original had a thin copyright, or the copying did not harm the market for the original work or its derivatives

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22. "You know what really sucks? "
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Is the fact that any 3 year old could have played those 2 notes
over and over and not even have to sample Stevie!

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23. "I'm offended by this comment from you"
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not really but pretend I am...

Surely you know that a sample is not the sum of its notes. You'll note that here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFEX8rMdGKE a quite fair rendition of the tune is made and yet it's missing something. Something which just can't be captured sans sampling.

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24. "^"
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>Surely you know that a sample is not the sum of its notes.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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66. "DAing: at this point, is "post-hip-hop" simply "indie"?"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-tlDZw7egE

  

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knew it was a sample til a few years ago...and it was like "can't he just play those same notes on a bass/keyboard?"

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29. "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRGHH!!!"
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*looks at reflection in the mirror and bangs head repeatedly*

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38. "it sucks that you think that"
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43. "The facts that support my theory. "
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You end up having to pay for a Stevie sample (2 notes)
vs actually playing those two notes and not having to clear the sample.
I really don't think that sucks.

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44. "pretty sure that song went platinum"
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sounds like you should be producing hits!

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45. "But why waste money on a Stevie sample"
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when you could have played those two notes yourself? Aye, it worked and Im not mad
at it all. Im just thinking from an artist stand point of making more money and not sharing
publishing. It's just two notes!!!! lol. Why do i feel like Larry David in this convo? Look,
the two notes work fine and if it went platinum then there is no argument. My point is,
two notes that could have been played would have saved them a lot of money but then again
around that time there must have been lots of money to spend on samples and share pub.

just my two cents. song is still great and works well.

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51. "but he didn't and wouldn't"
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64. "Then its all gravy! "
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:)

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26. "Too bad Premier has like 100 of those kinds of moments"
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And the fact that it's the beginning of the song makes it less impressive.

  

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28. "why can't we just appreciate what the RZA did in here???"
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*kneels in a field of dried out corn and curses the heavens*

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32. "I dunno I'm kind of a buzzkill when it comes to RZA praise"
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But you're right. Maybe it's time I chilled out and just enjoyed it for what it is.

  

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34. "you want a pound, crab?"
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39. "lol"
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58. "..."
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30. "never caught that! Very dope."
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31. "whoa! "
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never would've caught that.

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33. "absolute genius"
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I mean, it takes a mighty ear to do that shit... got me wistful even

  

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35. "its amazing what impresses you guys"
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37. "shhhhhhhh"
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40. "http://www.spartanblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/396729_10101556689..."
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http://www.spartanblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/396729_10101556689428724_2317276_78092862_796576229_n.jpg

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46. "Most of us have heard both records a thousand times and never caught it"
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Ok it's not sampling mastery but understand that we're kinda having a moment here.

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48. "Yeah, for me it's more funny than anything"
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>Ok it's not sampling mastery but understand that we're kinda
>having a moment here.

Especially when you think of how wildly different both songs are in content/feel and I picture RZA first making the beat.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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53. "you're missing the point"
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it's not about the fact that he flipped the hell out of the stevie sample

because he didn't.

it's about the fact that most of us have heard both of those songs thousands of times and never made the connection.

i can almost guarantee that RZA probably came up with that shit by accident.

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54. "^^^Chop That Down, Pass It All Around"
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59. "RE: beats/techniques go from okay to masterpiece because of who did it"
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and the name attached to them
that's how this place works, chum

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60. "RE: beats/techniques go from okay to masterpiece because of who did it"
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>and the name attached to them
>that's how this place works, chum

If it was Dilla...

  

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62. "whats the unimpressive part?"
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sounds like he decided he wanted to sample the stevie piano so he took the notes and loaded em to his pads...and though trial and error came up with a cool piano line and made a classic hip hop beat.


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63. "RZArecta didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH or save the children w/ this beat"
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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41. "THE RZA(rectahinyosectahfromshaolintotheholycityo'mecca)"
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i fucking love the dude.
moreso now.
u need to be smoking that GOOD weed to even decide to sample that shit lol.

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47. "It's impressive that no one caught the source"
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but at the same time it isn't...because like Mr. Valadez said...pretty much anyone coulda replayed this on a piano and recorded it. I understand that really isnt the point though.

This just shows how far simplicity can take you on a beat and how resourceful producers can get the job done. Water is wet.

On a musical level and its contribution to sampling as a whole...this is pretty uneventful.

  

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52. "I don't think about it like that..."
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It basically breaks down to this:

1. The piano in "Knocks..." SOUNDS amazing.
2.The RZA was working with samplers. Even if he was working with synthesizers, he would not have gotten a good sound like that unless he had a really expensive one. Actually, the "piano"-sound on synths was frequently ass and sounded cheap and plastic.

Meanwhile, actually recording a piano and making it sound good is not easy; you need to know about mic-placements etc.

So what does a Hip-Hop producer with limited resources and no experience in recording "real" instruments do to get a good piano-sound for his simple riff? He sample a nice-sounding piano and in this case, it happen to be notes from Stevie's "Knocks me off my feet" which is quite amusing, at least to me. That the riff is as simplistic as it gets and that even a kid could have played it is a non-issue to me; samplers like the EMU SP1200 and the ASR were actually intended primarily for sampling sounds (drums specifically in the case of the former) as opposed to looping stuff so that you could get a "real" sound without having to use instruments. This time, the sounds has been identified as coming from "Knocks..." and that is pretty cool, it's not more to it than that IMO

  

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61. "yea, everything you just said = my resourceful producers comment"
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the act itself still does not impress me however the overall SONG does

  

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65. "they dont hear you tho"
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55. "I spotted that in '02!"
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I remember the holy shit moment and then going back swapping the cds in and out of the changer repeatedly... I couldn't conclusively prove it, not that anyone in my circle at the time would have given a rat's ass. So I just let it be a hunch and left it at that

I could have been a millionaire

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57. "had it logged in my iTunes comments and still feel blown away"
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"Shimmy Shimmy Ya" contains samples of "Hip-Hug-Her" by Booker T. & The MG's, "I Like It" by the Emotions, "Knocks Me Off My Feet" by Stevie Wonder and "Have Your Ass Home by - 11:00" by Richard Pryor.


I just don't really register shit sometimes when I'm filling my iTunes out though, I'm just information binging.



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