i was checking out The Roots' twitter feed and noticed this tweet.

http://instagram.com/p/Nt4i07Qa5X/

then i stumbled upon this site which has the Stevie sampled cued up.

http://www.whosampled.com/sample/view/4476/Ol\'%20Dirty%20Bastard-Shimmy%20Shimmy%20Ya_Stevie%20Wonder-Knocks%20Me%20Off%20My%20Feet/

what are your thoughts about RZA's ear for this sample?

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the piano tone definitely sounds like the one from ODB's cut, but I honestly can't tell if he did do what you suggested or if he just chopped it up.

it's a cool find nonetheless.

1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2
1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2

Maybe he time stretched or pitch shifted some, I'm not sure.
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The first is repeated 9 times and then the third note comes in

dun, dun-dun-dun, dun-dun-dun, dun-dun-dun, DUN

It's the same first note that he used to create that loop.

Here's a crude try at testing this theory:

http://www.sharebeast.com/v7wpuwgqtwhu

http://www.sharebeast.com/kc6ej88ddu6o

good work man

I still don't know if it was a pitch-shift or whether it was the first and 3rd notes like Deluge said above

(I've got an ensoniq so I care about these things!)

mainly because I'm not smart enough to figure out how it can be done, lol. Have a lot of respect for producers and musicians.

And it's bad that once you listen, it's extra obvious. Shit is crazy to me, I never even realized it was a sample. It was just a piano that coulda been played, but still, yeah.

to like 0:22

what track uses that?????????

sounds like it was used on another track

i looked on the site but it doesnt say

>to like 0:22
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>what track uses that?????????
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>sounds like it was used on another track
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>i looked on the site but it doesnt say


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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his fucking mind...

technically not complicated...

but who would have even sampled it in the 1st place???

smfh

I suspect RZA used this technique a lot on the first ODB and also Tical. Listen to the "riffs" in songs like "Rawhide", "Damage", "Don't U know" etc. Basically, I guess he heard a *sound* he dug and then sampled whatever (anyone know?), chopped it up and then just played the notes he was interested in in those simplistic but really cool patterns that I think were a direct prduct of working with drum-machines and drum-samples, he just applied it to melodic loops instead. It wasn't really until the Raekwon-album he started to work more consistently with more "musical" loops IMO even if there are lots of exceptions of course. Still, much of "Tical" and "Return..." sounds like a dude just playing around with some sounds in an almost "3 year old kid at a piano/synth"-way...

EDIT:Or maybe he was just working with synths but I read that he used samplers exclusively early on...

Impressive.

I miss the days when cats did shit like this and then other cats sat around trying to figure out how they did it.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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yall should check that summer chop #3

a few of us lesson heads did various takes on Lionel Richies "hello"

i think it shows how much can be done with sampling

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2724624&mesg_id=2724624&page=

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>yall should check that summer chop #3
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>a few of us lesson heads did various takes on Lionel Richies
>"hello"
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>i think it shows how much can be done with sampling

yes, THE FIELD is wide open

>a few of us lesson heads did various takes on Lionel Richies
>"hello"

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I’d rather sojourn into self till I reached the epitome of spiritual splendor
Haters fender bender beat down and ostracize the dreamer
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he could EASILY deny that in court if forced to.

he could argue transformation and KIM.
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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

it could be one note. the record company owns the "sound recording"

if they line up the two sounds and it phases out... ya ass is grass. thats what that bridgeport vs nwa decision said

edit - you are correct... you CANT argue the "de minimis" argument though (thats what i knew)

from the WIKI on the aforementioned case
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit reversed the decision and ruled that the sampling was in violation of copyright law. Their argument was that with a sound recording, an owner of the copyright on a work had exclusive right to duplicate the work. Under this interpretation of the copyright law, usage of any section of a work, regardless of length, would be in violation of copyright unless the copyright owner gave permission. In its decision, the court wrote: "Get a license or do not sample. We do not see this as stifling creativity in any significant way." This decision effectively eliminates the de minimis doctrine for digitally sampling recorded music in the Sixth Circuit, and has affected industry practice. However, the court expressly noted that the decision did not preclude the availability of other defenses, such as fair use, even in the context of "sampling." Thus, in the Sixth Circuit, defendants who digitally sampled may not rely on the de minimis doctrine to say that they copied such a small amount that they are not liable for copyright infringement. However, they may still argue that their use of the sample is still a fair use--that is, that the use is transformative, for noncommercial purpose, copied only a small amount, the original had a thin copyright, or the copying did not harm the market for the original work or its derivatives

Is the fact that any 3 year old could have played those 2 notes
over and over and not even have to sample Stevie!

not really but pretend I am...

Surely you know that a sample is not the sum of its notes. You'll note that here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFEX8rMdGKE a quite fair rendition of the tune is made and yet it's missing something. Something which just can't be captured sans sampling.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

>Surely you know that a sample is not the sum of its notes.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-tlDZw7egE

knew it was a sample til a few years ago...and it was like "can't he just play those same notes on a bass/keyboard?"

*looks at reflection in the mirror and bangs head repeatedly*

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You end up having to pay for a Stevie sample (2 notes)
vs actually playing those two notes and not having to clear the sample.
I really don't think that sucks.

sounds like you should be producing hits!

when you could have played those two notes yourself? Aye, it worked and Im not mad
at it all. Im just thinking from an artist stand point of making more money and not sharing
publishing. It's just two notes!!!! lol. Why do i feel like Larry David in this convo? Look,
the two notes work fine and if it went platinum then there is no argument. My point is,
two notes that could have been played would have saved them a lot of money but then again
around that time there must have been lots of money to spend on samples and share pub.

just my two cents. song is still great and works well.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

:)

And the fact that it's the beginning of the song makes it less impressive.

*kneels in a field of dried out corn and curses the heavens*

But you're right. Maybe it's time I chilled out and just enjoyed it for what it is.

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never would've caught that.

I mean, it takes a mighty ear to do that shit... got me wistful even

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http://www.spartanblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/396729_10101556689428724_2317276_78092862_796576229_n.jpg

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Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

Ok it's not sampling mastery but understand that we're kinda having a moment here.

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>Ok it's not sampling mastery but understand that we're kinda
>having a moment here.

Especially when you think of how wildly different both songs are in content/feel and I picture RZA first making the beat.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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it's not about the fact that he flipped the hell out of the stevie sample

because he didn't.

it's about the fact that most of us have heard both of those songs thousands of times and never made the connection.

i can almost guarantee that RZA probably came up with that shit by accident.

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and the name attached to them
that's how this place works, chum

>and the name attached to them
>that's how this place works, chum

If it was Dilla...

sounds like he decided he wanted to sample the stevie piano so he took the notes and loaded em to his pads...and though trial and error came up with a cool piano line and made a classic hip hop beat.


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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i fucking love the dude.
moreso now.
u need to be smoking that GOOD weed to even decide to sample that shit lol.

V.

but at the same time it isn't...because like Mr. Valadez said...pretty much anyone coulda replayed this on a piano and recorded it. I understand that really isnt the point though.

This just shows how far simplicity can take you on a beat and how resourceful producers can get the job done. Water is wet.

On a musical level and its contribution to sampling as a whole...this is pretty uneventful.

It basically breaks down to this:

1. The piano in "Knocks..." SOUNDS amazing.
2.The RZA was working with samplers. Even if he was working with synthesizers, he would not have gotten a good sound like that unless he had a really expensive one. Actually, the "piano"-sound on synths was frequently ass and sounded cheap and plastic.

Meanwhile, actually recording a piano and making it sound good is not easy; you need to know about mic-placements etc.

So what does a Hip-Hop producer with limited resources and no experience in recording "real" instruments do to get a good piano-sound for his simple riff? He sample a nice-sounding piano and in this case, it happen to be notes from Stevie's "Knocks me off my feet" which is quite amusing, at least to me. That the riff is as simplistic as it gets and that even a kid could have played it is a non-issue to me; samplers like the EMU SP1200 and the ASR were actually intended primarily for sampling sounds (drums specifically in the case of the former) as opposed to looping stuff so that you could get a "real" sound without having to use instruments. This time, the sounds has been identified as coming from "Knocks..." and that is pretty cool, it's not more to it than that IMO

the act itself still does not impress me however the overall SONG does

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Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

I remember the holy shit moment and then going back swapping the cds in and out of the changer repeatedly... I couldn't conclusively prove it, not that anyone in my circle at the time would have given a rat's ass. So I just let it be a hunch and left it at that

I could have been a millionaire

fuck

"Shimmy Shimmy Ya" contains samples of "Hip-Hug-Her" by Booker T. & The MG's, "I Like It" by the Emotions, "Knocks Me Off My Feet" by Stevie Wonder and "Have Your Ass Home by - 11:00" by Richard Pryor.


I just don't really register shit sometimes when I'm filling my iTunes out though, I'm just information binging.



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