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19. "shouldve rolled out a greatest hits then" In response to Reply # 12
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4. "remove J-Dilla's involvement entirely" In response to Reply # 0
we'd lose "Find A Way" but honestly it's worth it if we got a cohesive Tribe with Tip at the helm
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16. "RE: I never understand this philosophy. Wasn't Tip the final say for the" In response to Reply # 15
>Tribe sound anyways? Seems to me even if Dilla wasn't on it, >Tip would have taken the direction there himself.
he had the final say, and did about a fourth of the album himself as well as mixing the record but as good as some of the music was it pales in comparison to the music they came up with on their own when taken into an album context the music isn't bad or anything, it's just not as cohesive as the previous 3 albums before Dilla's involvement
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18. "yes. dilla didnt hijack tribe" In response to Reply # 15
they brought him on board. he wasnt nary executive producing
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21. "I'm not sure how saying 'remove his involvement' got turned into" In response to Reply # 18
'Dilla hijacked Tribe' damn these assaffiliates have no reading comprehension
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5. "It should have been a little more focused." In response to Reply # 0
I'm not one of the people who hates, the album. I thought it had a lot of potential, and there were some really dope tracks. But I think it tried to be and do too many things. You've got "pop" attempts with catchy chorus, you've got straight MC tracks, traditional "love" songs, songs about love in the abstract sense. If they were going to make a theme album, defining the theme more narrowly would have helped.
And not to sound like the backpacker guy, which I am, but the "pop" jams really weren't that good. I guess they were trying to further expand their audience in the post-Puffy world, but I don' think it wa snecessary; Tribe never had an issue selling records.
7. "RE: Spin-Off: How would you change "Love Movement"" In response to Reply # 0
1)It should have kept the color scheme and women logo from the previous lps. This little change righ here of going to a blank white slate had to be intentional and probally was symbolic of them starting fresh/anew.
2)The could at least pretend that it was a group effort.
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8. "I would have taken out these songs" In response to Reply # 0
Da Booty Give Me Hot 4 U
and got a better beat for Rock Rock Y'all
There are a few other songs I'm not crazy about (Steppin' It Up, Busta's Lament, and Against the World) but not enough that I would have scrapped them from the album. I don't "love" The Love Movement but I don't hate it either. It just sucks that they didn't go out with a bang like many ATCQ fans had hoped for.
Dilla was not the problem on that album nor on BR&L...the issues within the group was affecting the music. A lot of that shit still banged, but LET and MM were peaks that I feel would have been difficult for any group to top.
9. "RE: I would have taken out these songs" In response to Reply # 8
>Da Booty >Give Me >Hot 4 U > >and got a better beat for Rock Rock Y'all > >There are a few other songs I'm not crazy about (Steppin' It >Up, Busta's Lament, and Against the World) but not enough that >I would have scrapped them from the album. I don't "love" The >Love Movement but I don't hate it either. It just sucks that >they didn't go out with a bang like many ATCQ fans had hoped >for. > >Dilla was not the problem on that album nor on BR&L...the >issues within the group was affecting the music. A lot of that >shit still banged, but LET and MM were peaks that I feel would >have been difficult for any group to top.
Da Booty really breaks up the flow of the album's first half.
10. "Dilla didn't do anything wrong" In response to Reply # 8
but his involvement interrupted their natural chemistry some of the beats he did on there weren't exactly great but at the same time, it would've benefited from a more focused vsion
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17. "The "new member" phenomenon" In response to Reply # 0
An interesting thing to me is the non-album stuff that emerged between MM and BR&L, namely "One Two Shit", "Wild Hot" and "Glamour & Glitz". Busta pops up on the 1st two, Cons pops up on the third.
Q-Tip revealed @ Peter Rosenberg's Noisemakers that that all parties involved considered adding Busta to Tribe as a full-fledged member. Makes one wonder if the "new member" thing was a long-standing strategy from the start, as opposed to how haphazard it seemed from the outside looking in.
To me, Tribe and Dilla seemed more synergized on "LM" and if they'd given themselves another half year or so, maybe it would have been more cohesive and not spurred the "Dilla deterred Tribe" criticism. But with the group reputedly not getting along by that time, they may have just wanted to deliver enough songs to shut Jive up and move on. Seems like those were crazy times.
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