If you would, at all

>

that's what i said. Damn

they were in a bad place as a group. they shoulda just left it alone.
but of course contract obligations and such...

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

we'd lose "Find A Way" but honestly it's worth it if we got a cohesive Tribe with Tip at the helm

Tribe sound anyways? Seems to me even if Dilla wasn't on it, Tip would have taken the direction there himself.

>Tribe sound anyways? Seems to me even if Dilla wasn't on it,
>Tip would have taken the direction there himself.

he had the final say, and did about a fourth of the album himself as well as mixing the record
but as good as some of the music was it pales in comparison to the music they came up with on their own when taken into an album context
the music isn't bad or anything, it's just not as cohesive as the previous 3 albums before Dilla's involvement

they brought him on board. he wasnt nary executive producing

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

'Dilla hijacked Tribe'
damn these assaffiliates have no reading comprehension

I'm not one of the people who hates, the album. I thought it had a lot of potential, and there were some really dope tracks. But I think it tried to be and do too many things. You've got "pop" attempts with catchy chorus, you've got straight MC tracks, traditional "love" songs, songs about love in the abstract sense. If they were going to make a theme album, defining the theme more narrowly would have helped.

And not to sound like the backpacker guy, which I am, but the "pop" jams really weren't that good. I guess they were trying to further expand their audience in the post-Puffy world, but I don' think it wa snecessary; Tribe never had an issue selling records.

>If they were going to make a theme album, defining the theme more narrowly would have helped.

This.

They leaned HEAVY on the girl songs.

1)It should have kept the color scheme and women logo from the previous lps. This little change righ here of going to a blank white slate had to be intentional and probally was symbolic of them starting fresh/anew.

2)The could at least pretend that it was a group effort.

Da Booty
Give Me
Hot 4 U

and got a better beat for Rock Rock Y'all

There are a few other songs I'm not crazy about (Steppin' It Up, Busta's Lament, and Against the World) but not enough that I would have scrapped them from the album. I don't "love" The Love Movement but I don't hate it either. It just sucks that they didn't go out with a bang like many ATCQ fans had hoped for.

Dilla was not the problem on that album nor on BR&L...the issues within the group was affecting the music. A lot of that shit still banged, but LET and MM were peaks that I feel would have been difficult for any group to top.

>Da Booty
>Give Me
>Hot 4 U
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>and got a better beat for Rock Rock Y'all
>
>There are a few other songs I'm not crazy about (Steppin' It
>Up, Busta's Lament, and Against the World) but not enough that
>I would have scrapped them from the album. I don't "love" The
>Love Movement but I don't hate it either. It just sucks that
>they didn't go out with a bang like many ATCQ fans had hoped
>for.
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>Dilla was not the problem on that album nor on BR&L...the
>issues within the group was affecting the music. A lot of that
>shit still banged, but LET and MM were peaks that I feel would
>have been difficult for any group to top.

Da Booty really breaks up the flow of the album's first half.

but his involvement interrupted their natural chemistry
some of the beats he did on there weren't exactly great but at the same time, it would've benefited from a more focused vsion

I can live with everything else.

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An interesting thing to me is the non-album stuff that emerged between MM and BR&L, namely "One Two Shit", "Wild Hot" and "Glamour & Glitz". Busta pops up on the 1st two, Cons pops up on the third.

Q-Tip revealed @ Peter Rosenberg's Noisemakers that that all parties involved considered adding Busta to Tribe as a full-fledged member. Makes one wonder if the "new member" thing was a long-standing strategy from the start, as opposed to how haphazard it seemed from the outside looking in.

To me, Tribe and Dilla seemed more synergized on "LM" and if they'd given themselves another half year or so, maybe it would have been more cohesive and not spurred the "Dilla deterred Tribe" criticism. But with the group reputedly not getting along by that time, they may have just wanted to deliver enough songs to shut Jive up and move on. Seems like those were crazy times.