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"How much of THE UMMAH was really just DILLA?"


          

always wondered that....

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the beats that sounded like he did them...
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"mixed by" is who did the beat
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RE: How much of THE UMMAH was really just DILLA?
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all of it
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that's not quite right, lol
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^^^^^LoKeyHalfWayProbablyALittlebitCorrectSomewhat^^^^^^
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and Dilla certainly did not do ALL of the UMMAH beats
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youtube the dilla interview
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      So Q-Tip stopped making beats for Tribe when Dilla came aboard?
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      almost
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      I don't think that statement means what you say it does
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           ^
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not exactly, but yeah
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speaking of the Ummah I just found out the meaning the other day
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!
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RE: From what I understand, anything with "J. Yancey". . .
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RE: From what I understand, anything with "J. Yancey". . .
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until i hear otherwise, i'll just rely on the names in the credits
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That makes too much sense, though
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did he do phony rappers?
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RE: No "J. Yancey" in that credit.
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      but on some real ish... who did crew?
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           RE: No "J. Yancey" in the credit.
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                RE: No "J. Yancey" in the credit.
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                     yeah, i dont think that clearly sounds like dilla
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tell tale sign for me is that on tips solo albums the beats were not clo...
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wrong
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''The Renaissance'' is concerned with this statement
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very concerned
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I dunno why some ppl feel like they have to downplay Q-Tip's talent
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      EXACTLY!!!
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           see and on the low i think ali shaheed was producing a lot them joints
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           RE: EXACTLY!!!
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           Bingo:
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           RE: EXACTLY!!!
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                oh God nigga shut up
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                     RE: oh God nigga shut up
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                          aiight get th' fuck out my thread
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                               RE: aiight get th' fuck out my thread
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u really enjoyed the renaissance album like that? i paid for that day it...
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      Yeah, it was one of my favorite albums that year
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its clear to me that you have an agenda to spread untruths on this subje...
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      dude. i like q-tip very much
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Dilla in the Ummah = Mr.DJ in Earthtone 3 (Outkast).
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RE: I squeal a little bit with every Mr. DJ mention I see.
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      wtf happened to him?
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           i'm sayin! he's like one of the dopest most slept on ever
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the boring part?
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damn Dilla love is birthing Q Tip hate? If Tip is so shady then
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Read the liner notes
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1. "the beats that sounded like he did them..."
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...he did them. usually said so in the credits, also.

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2. ""mixed by" is who did the beat"
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if u have any album credits, it should be in there.

But you can tell when it's Jay Dee vs. Q-Tip.

Example...Busta Rhymes album "The Coming"

Ill Vibe - clearly Q-Tip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAlptXLnO9c
Still Shining - clearly Dilla http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8I1fwd9WWI
Ill Vibe remix - clearly Dilla http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCiBIXoefk8

most of that ummah shit was Dilla tho. lol

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3. "RE: How much of THE UMMAH was really just DILLA?"
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Always thought the Ummah's direction was influenced from Tip hearing Dilla's tape...I guess inspiration

But there was always a clear difference between Tip and Dilla at the beginning, then dilla began to take more control of the collective's production as years went by.

  

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4. "all of it"
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The ummah was just one of those shadey '4080' ways fr qtip to make money off jay dee's beats and publishing

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6. "that's not quite right, lol"
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Jordan!

  

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7. "^^^^^LoKeyHalfWayProbablyALittlebitCorrectSomewhat^^^^^^"
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on the other hand, I could see Tip just wanting to link up with somebody dope and just make dope music.
I mean, who wouldnt wanna join forces with Jay Dee??!?!?!?!?

I only agree with the "4080" thing if Tip was making more doe off of Dilla than Dilla was.

But there is really no way for us to know that.

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9. "and Dilla certainly did not do ALL of the UMMAH beats"
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Jordan!

  

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12. "youtube the dilla interview"
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Where jay dee is talking about 'dudes used to come up to me asking me about these ummah beats and thought qtip produced them. And I was like, nah, I produced that shit'.

Those publishing deals will fuck u over every time.

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13. "So Q-Tip stopped making beats for Tribe when Dilla came aboard?"
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>Where jay dee is talking about 'dudes used to come up to me
>asking me about these ummah beats and thought qtip produced
>them. And I was like, nah, I produced that shit'.
>
>Those publishing deals will fuck u over every time.
>
>


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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25. "almost"
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he became less hands on and more executive

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15. "I don't think that statement means what you say it does"
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I interpreted that moreso as him saying that Q-Tip was getting ALL the credit.

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16. "^"
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>I interpreted that moreso as him saying that Q-Tip was
>getting ALL the credit.


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Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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23. "not exactly, but yeah"
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unintentionally correct

  

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5. "speaking of the Ummah I just found out the meaning the other day"
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my dumb nigga moment.. LOL

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21. "!"
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never even occurred to me to check the meaning. that's dope.

  

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8. "RE: From what I understand, anything with "J. Yancey". . ."
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. . .and "Produced by the UMMAH" in the credits is his.

But, I don't think any of us will ever know FOR SURE for sure.

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10. "RE: From what I understand, anything with "J. Yancey". . ."
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BR&L had the ummah...but you had to look at the songwriting credits to see J.Yancey...indicator that dilla did the beat

not quite sure about the love movement...but i'm sure it's the same

  

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11. "until i hear otherwise, i'll just rely on the names in the credits"
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14. "That makes too much sense, though"
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There has to be more to it.


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17. "did he do phony rappers?"
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anyone?

  

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18. "RE: No "J. Yancey" in that credit."
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So I'd guess no.

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19. "but on some real ish... who did crew?"
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cuz that's straight one of my favorite tribe beats of all time and it's 3 minutes short..

  

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20. "RE: No "J. Yancey" in the credit."
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But even I will admit that that sounds like a Jay Dee beat.

So, I like I said, despite credits, nobody will ever know FOR SURE for sure.

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22. "RE: No "J. Yancey" in the credit."
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It sounds just as much a Q-Tip beat as Dilla. In the same lane as one two shit beat that Tip did.

>But even I will admit that that sounds like a Jay Dee beat.
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>So, I like I said, despite credits, nobody will ever know FOR
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24. "yeah, i dont think that clearly sounds like dilla"
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versus qtip

one indicator of that period:
jaydee had his closed off muffled rimshot snare,
qtip was still rocking the bright crispy atomic snares

of course there was overlap (especially from jaydee), but that's a tell

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26. "tell tale sign for me is that on tips solo albums the beats were not clo..."
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Ok. Aside from amplified... none of qtips solo albums really had nice beats like that. And the programming isn't even in the same vein. Still love Q, Q is still an OG, but 85-90percent of them beats were dilla mane. The sound

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27. "wrong"
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he did 5 on BRL, but the majority of TLM was him with Tip adding things to the beats and mixing them
same with Amplified

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28. "''The Renaissance'' is concerned with this statement"
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>Ok. Aside from amplified... none of qtips solo albums
>really had nice beats like that.


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32. "I dunno why some ppl feel like they have to downplay Q-Tip's talent"
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in order to big up Dilla's.

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34. "EXACTLY!!!"
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It's like, come the fuck on, man!!

We all know that Dilla had a lot to do with Tip's career starting in '95...but uhhhh.....BD (Before Dilla) Tip was BEASTING on the boards!

Arguably the best three album run in hip hop history was produced by Q-Tip.

Every beat tip ever did outside of ATCQ were all retarded DOPE!

ALL! OF! THEM!

He found Dilla and saw the talent and brought him in the fold to keep the ATCQ sound fresh.....

But ask some people, Dilla produced all the Tribe albums and Tip had nothin' to do with nothin' other than taking credit for Dilla's beat.

Uh.....Tip INFLUENCED Dilla's sound in the first damn place!

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36. "see and on the low i think ali shaheed was producing a lot them joints"
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But either way. Of course the first 3 tribe records are undeniably dope on the production. Jay had a very distinct sound tho andit ain't hard to tell a jay dee beat onthe BRL and TLM

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43. "RE: EXACTLY!!!"
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>Every beat tip ever did outside of ATCQ were all retarded
>DOPE!
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>ALL! OF! THEM!

I could listen to Tip's remix for Mobb Deep's Temperature's Rising all day long.

That's all.

  

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45. "Bingo:"
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>Uh.....Tip INFLUENCED Dilla's sound in the first damn place!

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46. "RE: EXACTLY!!!"
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Dilla was the dude who admired your style...

took it back to the crib and made it sound better! LOL.

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48. "RE: oh God nigga shut up"
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you mad, bro? LOL.

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Garhart Poppwell
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49. "aiight get th' fuck out my thread"
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eclassic
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50. "RE: aiight get th' fuck out my thread"
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ha!

my bad. didn't know this was 'your' thread.

let me peace out before i cause any trouble. LOL.

thanks for the laugh, tho.

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judono
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37. "u really enjoyed the renaissance album like that? i paid for that day it..."
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Bought the cd . Wasn't feelin it too tuff and sold it 2 months later.. would rather slide in peoples instinctive travels any day

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42. "Yeah, it was one of my favorite albums that year"
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And honestly, I was surprised at how much I liked it since I copped it more out of a life-time Tribe and Tip love. I figured it would be solid, but loved it off first listen.
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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mathmagic
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29. "its clear to me that you have an agenda to spread untruths on this subje..."
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Jordan!

  

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judono
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41. "dude. i like q-tip very much"
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30. "Dilla in the Ummah = Mr.DJ in Earthtone 3 (Outkast)."
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33. "RE: I squeal a little bit with every Mr. DJ mention I see."
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He was doing some serious work in the late 90's and early 2000's.

Some of my favorite beats of all time, in fact.

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35. "wtf happened to him?"
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44. "i'm sayin! he's like one of the dopest most slept on ever"
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why he isn't a prominent producer baffles me.

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38. "the boring part?"
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39. "damn Dilla love is birthing Q Tip hate? If Tip is so shady then"
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Im no Tribe expert, but if Q Tip is so shady...why did he EVER share a mic?

Why try and put Phife on when he was clearly the star and superior emcee?

Why try and put Cons on?

Hell, why and put Dilla on??


Just seems like for being such a shady dude he has actually helped quite a few dudes out...and some of them their talentwas probably undeserving...


Next we gonna claim Dilla ghostwrote his rhymes? Or we gonna give Phife credit for that?

Cmon

Why did Dilla keep working with him??


Im a HUGE Dilla fan, but this is getting a little nuts. No need to bring down Tip in the process.



  

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40. "Read the liner notes "
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Esp the love movement ones...

"shit, been the same since '86 and kane"

  

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