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Topic subjectHow much of THE UMMAH was really just DILLA?
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2659361, How much of THE UMMAH was really just DILLA?
Posted by DaHumanA8stract, Wed Feb-08-12 01:28 PM
always wondered that....
2659364, the beats that sounded like he did them...
Posted by Small Pro, Wed Feb-08-12 01:30 PM
...he did them. usually said so in the credits, also.
2659365, "mixed by" is who did the beat
Posted by liveguy, Wed Feb-08-12 01:35 PM
if u have any album credits, it should be in there.

But you can tell when it's Jay Dee vs. Q-Tip.

Example...Busta Rhymes album "The Coming"

Ill Vibe - clearly Q-Tip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAlptXLnO9c
Still Shining - clearly Dilla http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8I1fwd9WWI
Ill Vibe remix - clearly Dilla http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCiBIXoefk8

most of that ummah shit was Dilla tho. lol
2659368, RE: How much of THE UMMAH was really just DILLA?
Posted by jaybennie, Wed Feb-08-12 01:40 PM
Always thought the Ummah's direction was influenced from Tip hearing Dilla's tape...I guess inspiration

But there was always a clear difference between Tip and Dilla at the beginning, then dilla began to take more control of the collective's production as years went by.
2659396, all of it
Posted by judono, Wed Feb-08-12 02:38 PM
The ummah was just one of those shadey '4080' ways fr qtip to make money off jay dee's beats and publishing
2659408, that's not quite right, lol
Posted by mathmagic, Wed Feb-08-12 02:55 PM
2659432, ^^^^^LoKeyHalfWayProbablyALittlebitCorrectSomewhat^^^^^^
Posted by HIM, Wed Feb-08-12 03:33 PM
on the other hand, I could see Tip just wanting to link up with somebody dope and just make dope music.
I mean, who wouldnt wanna join forces with Jay Dee??!?!?!?!?

I only agree with the "4080" thing if Tip was making more doe off of Dilla than Dilla was.

But there is really no way for us to know that.
2659447, and Dilla certainly did not do ALL of the UMMAH beats
Posted by mathmagic, Wed Feb-08-12 03:57 PM
2659454, youtube the dilla interview
Posted by judono, Wed Feb-08-12 04:04 PM
Where jay dee is talking about 'dudes used to come up to me asking me about these ummah beats and thought qtip produced them. And I was like, nah, I produced that shit'.

Those publishing deals will fuck u over every time.

2659457, So Q-Tip stopped making beats for Tribe when Dilla came aboard?
Posted by Ishwip, Wed Feb-08-12 04:12 PM
>Where jay dee is talking about 'dudes used to come up to me
>asking me about these ummah beats and thought qtip produced
>them. And I was like, nah, I produced that shit'.
>
>Those publishing deals will fuck u over every time.
>
>


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)
2659703, almost
Posted by AlBundy, Thu Feb-09-12 07:44 AM
he became less hands on and more executive

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B
2659484, I don't think that statement means what you say it does
Posted by CMcMurtry, Wed Feb-08-12 04:52 PM
I interpreted that moreso as him saying that Q-Tip was getting ALL the credit.
2659531, ^
Posted by Ishwip, Wed Feb-08-12 06:57 PM
>I interpreted that moreso as him saying that Q-Tip was
>getting ALL the credit.


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)
2659701, not exactly, but yeah
Posted by AlBundy, Thu Feb-09-12 07:37 AM
unintentionally correct
2659402, speaking of the Ummah I just found out the meaning the other day
Posted by Yank, Wed Feb-08-12 02:52 PM
my dumb nigga moment.. LOL
2659664, !
Posted by Options, Thu Feb-09-12 01:22 AM
never even occurred to me to check the meaning. that's dope.
2659443, RE: From what I understand, anything with "J. Yancey". . .
Posted by Austin, Wed Feb-08-12 03:52 PM
. . .and "Produced by the UMMAH" in the credits is his.

But, I don't think any of us will ever know FOR SURE for sure.

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2659450, RE: From what I understand, anything with "J. Yancey". . .
Posted by jaybennie, Wed Feb-08-12 04:02 PM
BR&L had the ummah...but you had to look at the songwriting credits to see J.Yancey...indicator that dilla did the beat

not quite sure about the love movement...but i'm sure it's the same
2659453, until i hear otherwise, i'll just rely on the names in the credits
Posted by cbk, Wed Feb-08-12 04:03 PM
2659458, That makes too much sense, though
Posted by Ishwip, Wed Feb-08-12 04:14 PM
There has to be more to it.


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)
2659535, did he do phony rappers?
Posted by the_lorax, Wed Feb-08-12 07:07 PM
anyone?
2659566, RE: No "J. Yancey" in that credit.
Posted by Austin, Wed Feb-08-12 08:41 PM
So I'd guess no.

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2659642, but on some real ish... who did crew?
Posted by Benedict the Moor, Wed Feb-08-12 11:17 PM
cuz that's straight one of my favorite tribe beats of all time and it's 3 minutes short..
2659644, RE: No "J. Yancey" in the credit.
Posted by Austin, Wed Feb-08-12 11:22 PM
But even I will admit that that sounds like a Jay Dee beat.

So, I like I said, despite credits, nobody will ever know FOR SURE for sure.

~Austin

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2659700, RE: No "J. Yancey" in the credit.
Posted by SP1200, Thu Feb-09-12 07:17 AM
It sounds just as much a Q-Tip beat as Dilla. In the same lane as one two shit beat that Tip did.

>But even I will admit that that sounds like a Jay Dee beat.
>
>So, I like I said, despite credits, nobody will ever know FOR
>SURE for sure.
>
>~Austin
>
>Please donate. For Anthony: http://bit.ly/xIIjaE
>
>http://austintayeshus.blogspot.com
>
>http://www.last.fm/user/Austintayeshus
>
>http://twitter.com/Austintayeshus
2659702, yeah, i dont think that clearly sounds like dilla
Posted by AlBundy, Thu Feb-09-12 07:42 AM
versus qtip

one indicator of that period:
jaydee had his closed off muffled rimshot snare,
qtip was still rocking the bright crispy atomic snares

of course there was overlap (especially from jaydee), but that's a tell

-------------------------
“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B
2659847, tell tale sign for me is that on tips solo albums the beats were not close
Posted by judono, Thu Feb-09-12 01:46 PM
Ok. Aside from amplified... none of qtips solo albums really had nice beats like that. And the programming isn't even in the same vein. Still love Q, Q is still an OG, but 85-90percent of them beats were dilla mane. The sound
2659855, wrong
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Thu Feb-09-12 02:03 PM
he did 5 on BRL, but the majority of TLM was him with Tip adding things to the beats and mixing them
same with Amplified
2659858, ''The Renaissance'' is concerned with this statement
Posted by Ishwip, Thu Feb-09-12 02:22 PM
>Ok. Aside from amplified... none of qtips solo albums
>really had nice beats like that.


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)
2659883, very concerned
Posted by Kosa12, Thu Feb-09-12 03:21 PM
2659886, I dunno why some ppl feel like they have to downplay Q-Tip's talent
Posted by SP1200, Thu Feb-09-12 03:29 PM
in order to big up Dilla's.
2659906, EXACTLY!!!
Posted by liveguy, Thu Feb-09-12 04:20 PM
It's like, come the fuck on, man!!

We all know that Dilla had a lot to do with Tip's career starting in '95...but uhhhh.....BD (Before Dilla) Tip was BEASTING on the boards!

Arguably the best three album run in hip hop history was produced by Q-Tip.

Every beat tip ever did outside of ATCQ were all retarded DOPE!

ALL! OF! THEM!

He found Dilla and saw the talent and brought him in the fold to keep the ATCQ sound fresh.....

But ask some people, Dilla produced all the Tribe albums and Tip had nothin' to do with nothin' other than taking credit for Dilla's beat.

Uh.....Tip INFLUENCED Dilla's sound in the first damn place!

The student surpassed the teacher (true), but don't sleep on the teacher.

2659938, see and on the low i think ali shaheed was producing a lot them joints
Posted by judono, Thu Feb-09-12 06:03 PM

But either way. Of course the first 3 tribe records are undeniably dope on the production. Jay had a very distinct sound tho andit ain't hard to tell a jay dee beat onthe BRL and TLM
2660009, RE: EXACTLY!!!
Posted by Options, Thu Feb-09-12 07:57 PM
>Every beat tip ever did outside of ATCQ were all retarded
>DOPE!
>
>ALL! OF! THEM!

I could listen to Tip's remix for Mobb Deep's Temperature's Rising all day long.

That's all.
2660059, Bingo:
Posted by SP1200, Thu Feb-09-12 10:58 PM
>Uh.....Tip INFLUENCED Dilla's sound in the first damn place!
2660109, RE: EXACTLY!!!
Posted by eclassic, Fri Feb-10-12 12:33 AM
Dilla was the dude who admired your style...

took it back to the crib and made it sound better! LOL.
2660148, oh God nigga shut up
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Fri Feb-10-12 06:31 AM
2660451, RE: oh God nigga shut up
Posted by eclassic, Fri Feb-10-12 05:06 PM
you mad, bro? LOL.
2660472, aiight get th' fuck out my thread
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Fri Feb-10-12 05:32 PM
2660476, RE: aiight get th' fuck out my thread
Posted by eclassic, Fri Feb-10-12 05:38 PM
ha!

my bad. didn't know this was 'your' thread.

let me peace out before i cause any trouble. LOL.

thanks for the laugh, tho.
2659942, u really enjoyed the renaissance album like that? i paid for that day it came out
Posted by judono, Thu Feb-09-12 06:08 PM
Bought the cd . Wasn't feelin it too tuff and sold it 2 months later.. would rather slide in peoples instinctive travels any day
2659978, Yeah, it was one of my favorite albums that year
Posted by Ishwip, Thu Feb-09-12 06:58 PM
And honestly, I was surprised at how much I liked it since I copped it more out of a life-time Tribe and Tip love. I figured it would be solid, but loved it off first listen.
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)
2659868, its clear to me that you have an agenda to spread untruths on this subject.
Posted by mathmagic, Thu Feb-09-12 02:45 PM
2659976, dude. i like q-tip very much
Posted by judono, Thu Feb-09-12 06:56 PM
>
2659879, Dilla in the Ummah = Mr.DJ in Earthtone 3 (Outkast).
Posted by SP1200, Thu Feb-09-12 03:14 PM
2659891, RE: I squeal a little bit with every Mr. DJ mention I see.
Posted by Austin, Thu Feb-09-12 03:42 PM
He was doing some serious work in the late 90's and early 2000's.

Some of my favorite beats of all time, in fact.

~Austin
2659931, wtf happened to him?
Posted by AlBundy, Thu Feb-09-12 05:50 PM
-------------------------
“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B
2660022, i'm sayin! he's like one of the dopest most slept on ever
Posted by judono, Thu Feb-09-12 08:52 PM
why he isn't a prominent producer baffles me.
2659949, the boring part?
Posted by Guinness, Thu Feb-09-12 06:17 PM
2659951, damn Dilla love is birthing Q Tip hate? If Tip is so shady then
Posted by Stadiq, Thu Feb-09-12 06:23 PM
Im no Tribe expert, but if Q Tip is so shady...why did he EVER share a mic?

Why try and put Phife on when he was clearly the star and superior emcee?

Why try and put Cons on?

Hell, why and put Dilla on??


Just seems like for being such a shady dude he has actually helped quite a few dudes out...and some of them their talentwas probably undeserving...


Next we gonna claim Dilla ghostwrote his rhymes? Or we gonna give Phife credit for that?

Cmon

Why did Dilla keep working with him??


Im a HUGE Dilla fan, but this is getting a little nuts. No need to bring down Tip in the process.



2659954, Read the liner notes
Posted by RamXL, Thu Feb-09-12 06:26 PM
Esp the love movement ones...