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""Everyday Sunshine:The Story of Fishbone" Documentary..."


  

          

I attended a screening of it last night. It's pretty much a visual history of Fishbone from their beginnings up until now ( it looks like it was done in about 2008 or so, So that's where it ends).

I've seen better documentaries, but all-in-all, it was pretty good. Lots of interviews with the original band members, even those who've left the band. They actually discussed the whole mess with Kendall Jones too. Lots of interviews with other musicians from bands who "made it" as well, ( Flea, Vernon Reid, Les Claypool, and others)

I wish there would've been more studio footage, but basically it was the story of how the band unraveled. Angelo and Norwood did most of the talking, but they had a LOT to say.

If you're a Fishbone fan, it's a must see. If not, check it out anyway...

http://www.fishbonedocumentary.com/



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i wholeheartedly support the shit out of this post nm
Apr 17th 2011
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not sure if you knew about it,
Apr 17th 2011
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RE: "Everyday Sunshine:The Story of Fishbone" Documentary...
Apr 17th 2011
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Anything you can add about the Kendall story?
Apr 17th 2011
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Norwood caught the charge, not the whole band
Apr 18th 2011
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I've been dying to see this
Apr 17th 2011
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RE: I have nothing to add except. . .
Apr 17th 2011
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really?
Apr 18th 2011
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RE: really?
Apr 24th 2011
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RE: I have nothing to add except. . .
Apr 18th 2011
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nah he's a real cool approachable dude
Apr 19th 2011
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I've also interacted with Angelo and I wouldn't describe him as "full of...
Apr 20th 2011
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excellent doc, I didn't know Kendall left the cult
Apr 18th 2011
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well they never really said he *left*...
Apr 18th 2011
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      RE: well they never really said he *left*...
Apr 18th 2011
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      I kinda disagree here,
Apr 18th 2011
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           RE: I kinda disagree here,
Apr 18th 2011
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                what could be more off the wall than calling LC "very hard rock"?
Apr 18th 2011
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                     RE: what could be more off the wall than calling LC "very hard rock"?
Apr 18th 2011
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                     perfect.
Apr 18th 2011
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                     RE: perfect.
Apr 18th 2011
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                     RE: what could be more off the wall than calling LC "very hard rock"?
Apr 19th 2011
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                          look this is a track LC made a video for- not just a CD track
Apr 19th 2011
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                               I waited for a while but I got to go now but Wed 4/20/11
Apr 19th 2011
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                                    interest seems to have waned, eh, I still said I'd be back and
Apr 20th 2011
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                     same with funny vibe?
Apr 19th 2011
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                          meaning it TOO was a Pop Song.
Apr 19th 2011
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                               hmm- never really struck me as a pop song
Apr 20th 2011
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      yeah, Kendall seemed robotic, zoned out, or som'n
Apr 18th 2011
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           EVERYTHING you said is probably a fact...BUT ( lol...)
Apr 18th 2011
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                I agree LC 'won' based on largerly non-musical factors, BUT
Apr 18th 2011
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                yeah, I think Ice-T was full of shit...
Apr 18th 2011
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                     RE: yeah, I think Ice-T was full of shit...
Apr 19th 2011
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                          I thought Ice T put Everlast on
Apr 19th 2011
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                          and at THAT point, they wouldn't have been *backing* anybody.
Apr 19th 2011
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                          Not that he should've Blown them up.
Apr 19th 2011
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                               RE: Not that he should've Blown them up.
Apr 19th 2011
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                                    zactly,discos just spittin shrapnel @ any/everyone on behalf of his boys
Apr 20th 2011
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                                    where are you gettin all THAT from?
Apr 20th 2011
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                                         RE: where are you gettin all THAT from?
Apr 24th 2011
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                                    you guys are going waaaaaaay to the extreme.
Apr 20th 2011
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                                         RE: you guys are going waaaaaaay to the extreme.
Apr 21st 2011
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                They were just "safer" than FB
Apr 19th 2011
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                     and that's ALL it was...n/m
Apr 19th 2011
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                          they also had a stronger singer, better guitarist, wrote songs that
Apr 20th 2011
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                               bottom line is LC went 'all in' with the machine
Apr 20th 2011
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                               ennh, I hate the whole "better" thing. It's all relative.
Apr 20th 2011
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I posted about it back in January. It's a great doc...
Apr 18th 2011
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Chris Dowd interview: *swipe*
Apr 18th 2011
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informative read, thanks for posting this.
Apr 18th 2011
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      I always liked his writing and singing...
Apr 18th 2011
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           I think a lot of artists have assholish tendencies
Apr 18th 2011
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damn!!!! Wish I had known about this when it was here...
Apr 18th 2011
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1. "i wholeheartedly support the shit out of this post nm"
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2. "not sure if you knew about it,"
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but I didn't find out until Friday night. Me and the fellas trooped up and went to check it out. Not sure if they're showing it again. It was part of that Film Festival they had...


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3. "RE: "Everyday Sunshine:The Story of Fishbone" Documentary..."
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I'm finally gonna get to check it out when it plays the 27th...

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4. "Anything you can add about the Kendall story?"
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From what I heard...he became born again (Jehova's Witness I believe) and the band was charged with 'kidnapping' when they stuffed him in a van and tried to convince him to forget all that nonsense.

  

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8. "Norwood caught the charge, not the whole band"
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The way the documentary explained it, Kendall was emotionally devastated by his mother's death and gradually gravitated towards his father, whom he used to hate due to the way he and his brother were treated. Apparently the father was into mind control and/or ran a cult.

Kendall's personality began to change to where he cut his hair and kept talking about the Bible. According to the film, Fishbone was in a meeting with Sony and Kendall started claiming the Fishbone symbol was demonic.

Eventually Kendall went to join whatever group his father was running.

Norwood, Kendall's brother, Kendall's fiance, and I think 2 other people went to get Kendall to force an "intervention."

Kendall basically fought them off and filed charges.

  

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5. "I've been dying to see this"
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I hope they can get some kind of distribution so they can release it on DVD.

  

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6. "RE: I have nothing to add except. . ."
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. . .that I met Angelo Moore at an in-store appearance at the store I was working at at the time and he seemed liked he was really full of himself.

I really don't know anything about Fishbone.

*shrug*

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13. "really?"
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>. . .that I met Angelo Moore at an in-store appearance at the
>store I was working at at the time and he seemed liked he was
>really full of himself.


nah, I saw him once in between sets at a Fishbone show. I didn't *meet* him, but he was walking around at the venue, and he was pretty cool. He was talking to the fans and whatnot. Seemed like a decent guy for a headliner at a rock show.

and I've told you guys the stagediving show where he pretty much killed my Girlfriend at the time.


>
>I really don't know anything about Fishbone.
>

one of the best American Rock Bands of our time. No hyperbole.

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53. "RE: really?"
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>one of the best American Rock Bands of our time. No
>hyperbole.
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what he said ^^^

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27. "RE: I have nothing to add except. . ."
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>. . .that I met Angelo Moore at an in-store appearance at the
>store I was working at at the time and he seemed liked he was
>really full of himself.


At this Prince Oscar after show in 2009, my boys sister was dating him and he was supposed to attend but she told us Angelo and Prince always talked but he didn't attend because he was like "nah..we are both geniuses so why should I act like a fan and go see him?" Some shit like that. She mentioned that they were doing this doc on the band at that time too.

  

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35. "nah he's a real cool approachable dude"
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I've met him a few times.
He's kind of a loner and definitely into himself but that's just who he is...
When you try and talk to an artist about their music of course they are gonna seem conceited...
I don't know. He connects with his fans. The whole band does. Its not like they sell out arenas...they play small clubs and give 100% every night. They get to know their audience pretty well...maybe he didn't like the store

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45. "I've also interacted with Angelo and I wouldn't describe him as "full of..."
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... If anything, he's definitely trapped in his own world, but that has more to do with him living up to the "eccentric artist" stereotype than being a conceited jerk.

Certainly, though, after watching this doc, Norwood by far seems like the coolest, most level-headed dude in the band, which is odd because he always seemed like the guy most likely to be a bit of an asshole.

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7. "excellent doc, I didn't know Kendall left the cult"
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When he showed up at the end I was like WTF?

But it was good to see him again.

I do wonder what Dowd has been doing since he left the band. He and Kendall were the best writers.

After watching the doc, I'm surprised they kept it together as long as they did. All those different personalities and musical preferences were bound to either blow up or implode, and the relative failure of Reality of My Surroundings sent things downhill for them.

I can't say their label failed to promote them. When you get on SNL and a Spike Lee video, the company is trying to blow you up. Fishbone was just too uncategorizable, and that is never a good thing for a black act.

  

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10. "well they never really said he *left*..."
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>When he showed up at the end I was like WTF?


and he seemed REALLY weird too, didn't he?


>
>But it was good to see him again.
>

True. It was cool to see he just picked up his guitar and jammed just like he used to. Just fell right in and played the old shit without missing a beat.

>I do wonder what Dowd has been doing since he left the band.
>He and Kendall were the best writers.

He did some other music related stuff, and enrolled in cooking school:

http://www.afropunk.com/profiles/blogs/christopher-dowd-describes-his


>
>After watching the doc, I'm surprised they kept it together as
>long as they did. All those different personalities and
>musical preferences were bound to either blow up or implode,
>and the relative failure of Reality of My Surroundings sent
>things downhill for them.
>

How can we call that album a failure if it put them on the "mainstream" map? That's probably their biggest ( if not best ) album.



>I can't say their label failed to promote them. When you get
>on SNL and a Spike Lee video, the company is trying to blow
>you up.

Everybody who was into Rock at the time KNOWS that Sony did FAR more for Living Colour, and I have to admit, I was a bit annoyed to see Vernon Reid in the documentary,

Fishbone was just too uncategorizable, and that is
>never a good thing for a black act.

So how do you explain the success of Living Colour?

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12. "RE: well they never really said he *left*..."
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>Everybody who was into Rock at the time KNOWS that Sony did
>FAR more for Living Colour, and I have to admit, I was a bit
>annoyed to see Vernon Reid in the documentary,
>
Vernon and LC were Fishbone peers so Vernon is a valuable voice for recognizing/speaking about Fishbone. I don't know why anyone would have any attitude towards LC for what Sony chose to do.

> Fishbone was just too uncategorizable, and that is
>>never a good thing for a black act.
>
>So how do you explain the success of Living Colour?
>

LC was very categorizable. Very hard rock. Mixed it up a little towards the end of their 90's era.

  

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15. "I kinda disagree here,"
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>>Everybody who was into Rock at the time KNOWS that Sony did
>>FAR more for Living Colour, and I have to admit, I was a bit
>>annoyed to see Vernon Reid in the documentary,
>>
>Vernon and LC were Fishbone peers so Vernon is a valuable
>voice for recognizing/speaking about Fishbone.


I'm not saying he wasn't. I'm saying that in MY opinion ( and I'm sure a few people would agree with me), that LC was a sanitized , MTV friendly version of Fishbone. If ANYBODY would be a better comparison it would be 24-7 Spyz


I don't know
>why anyone would have any attitude towards LC for what Sony
>chose to do.
>

How about the guys in Fishbone? Don't you think THEY had the right to have some resentment? I'm sure they were all in the fraternity of musicians, but still Fishbone was in the trenches for YEARS, and Living Colour got Sony's blessing...

AND if you watched it, some of the OTHER people who made it ( Les Claypool, Gwen Stefani, and Flea) kinda alluded to the fact that if ANYBODY deserved to blow up it was Fishbone.


>> Fishbone was just too uncategorizable, and that is
>>>never a good thing for a black act.
>>
>>So how do you explain the success of Living Colour?
>>
>
>LC was very categorizable. Very hard rock. Mixed it up a
>little towards the end of their 90's era.

they weren't "very hard rock" at ALL. It was corporate Rock at best. Don't get me wrong. I liked LC, but they don't even compare to Fishbone, Bad Brains, 24-7 Spyz or ANY of the other BR bands of the time. and to call them "Very Hard Rock" is ridiculous. "Glamour Boys" is 'Very Hard Rock' to you? Go listen to "Servitude" or "May Your Dogs Colon..." again.





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16. "RE: I kinda disagree here,"
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>>>> If ANYBODY would be a better comparison it would be 24-7 Spyz
>

I wasn't making ANY comparison at all. A peer is a peer. Doesn't have to be a closer or further apart "comparison" thing. I wasn't trying to get any points on saying how close or further apart Fisbone or LC were. They were peers. They knew they were peers. I don't care how "closer" 24-7 Spyz are or aren't to Fistbone.

tle towards the end of their 90's era.
>
>they weren't "very hard rock" at ALL. It was corporate Rock at
>best. Don't get me wrong. I liked LC, but they don't even
>compare to Fishbone, Bad Brains, 24-7 Spyz or ANY of the other
>BR bands of the time. and to call them "Very Hard Rock" is
>ridiculous. "Glamour Boys" is 'Very Hard Rock' to you? Go
>listen to "Servitude" or "May Your Dogs Colon..." again.
>
you're trying to take "Lesson" style contraryism to high heights. Living Colour were a Hard Rock band. They hit hard. I've listened to punk to hard core punk to zep to Sabbath and Living Colour is in the Hard Rock pantheon more than say Bon Jovi who are corporate rock.

Please stop forcing Lesson-esque debates with off the wall nonsense.

  

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19. "what could be more off the wall than calling LC "very hard rock"?"
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>>>>> If ANYBODY would be a better comparison it would be 24-7
>Spyz
>>
>
>I wasn't making ANY comparison at all.

Never said you did. I was using that as a counterpoint.

A peer is a peer.
>Doesn't have to be a closer or further apart "comparison"
>thing. I wasn't trying to get any points on saying how close
>or further apart Fisbone or LC were. They were peers. They
>knew they were peers.


Agreed. and I wasn't trying to force anything on you.

>>
>>they weren't "very hard rock" at ALL. It was corporate Rock
>at
>>best. Don't get me wrong. I liked LC, but they don't even
>>compare to Fishbone, Bad Brains, 24-7 Spyz or ANY of the
>other
>>BR bands of the time. and to call them "Very Hard Rock" is
>>ridiculous. "Glamour Boys" is 'Very Hard Rock' to you? Go
>>listen to "Servitude" or "May Your Dogs Colon..." again.
>>
>you're trying to take "Lesson" style contraryism to high
>heights. Living Colour were a Hard Rock band. They hit hard.

Dude. Seriously? Hard Rock ( let alone VERY hard rock )is Metallica. Pantera, etc. you putting Living Colour in that group?

and again. If they "Hit Hard" they wouldn't make shit like "Glamor Boys" that was a fuckin' Pop song with Rock Guitar. Same with "Funny Vibe". Nobody's being contrarian. I think you're just seeing it all with revisionist glasses.


>I've listened to punk to hard core punk to zep to Sabbath and
>Living Colour is in the Hard Rock pantheon more than say Bon
>Jovi who are corporate rock.

ah...so I don't get to make comparisons, but YOU do. Got it.

( and I find it very odd that you're talking about Hard Core Punk, but bring up Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath...)


>
>Please stop forcing Lesson-esque debates with off the wall
>nonsense.

Where ELSE are we supposed to have lessonesque debates? OKSports? And there's NOTHING off the wall about what I'm saying.

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21. "RE: what could be more off the wall than calling LC "very hard rock"?"
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>ah...so I don't get to make comparisons, but YOU do. Got it.
>
I didn't say making comparisons was wrong at all. YOU were saying that I, by saying Vernon should have been in the doc 'cause Vernon and LC def were peers, that I should have said 24-7 Spyz because Spyz were closer.

That is what made me take issue with the comparison issue. BECAUSE I WASN'T SAYING 'LC IS SO CLOSE TO FISHBONE THEREFORE VERNON IS THE ULTIMATE FISHBONE PEER/ANALYST, ETC.'"

>( and I find it very odd that you're talking about Hard Core
>Punk, but bring up Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath...)
>

I mentioned punk and hardcore and zep and sabbath to bring to mind that I have a wide appreciation for different angles of hard music. Not just a "I heard some Van Halen songs before" reference to hard music. Again, I don't know why you think that my mentioning Zep and sabbath after I mentioned punk and Hardcore meant that I was at a loss to mention punk hardcore bands. but that's again your Lesson-esque grasping for smoking guns or something.

  

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22. "perfect."
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>> that I should have said
>24-7 Spyz because Spyz were closer.
>


where did I say what you *should've* said? I'm not in the business of trying to make people subscribe to my views without question. What *I* said was "a better comparison might be..."
Meaning, if anybody ( not just you or I) were to compare bands stylistically, then 24-7 Spyz would make more sense.


>>( and I find it very odd that you're talking about Hard Core
>>Punk, but bring up Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath...)
>>
>
>I mentioned punk and hardcore and zep and sabbath to bring to
>mind that I have a wide appreciation for different angles of
>hard music. Not just a "I heard some Van Halen songs before"
>reference to hard music.

kinda sounds like it though...you GOTTA admit THAT.

Again, I don't know why you think
>that my mentioning Zep and sabbath after I mentioned punk and
>Hardcore meant that I was at a loss to mention punk hardcore
>bands.

but that's again your Lesson-esque grasping for smoking
>guns or something.

If you have so much disdain for The Lesson, why are you here? I'm just asking. Nobody's getting all riled up but you. There's a rule. If you put it out there, you gotta back it up. Why are you taking this so personal?


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23. "RE: perfect."
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>
>>>( and I find it very odd that you're talking about Hard
>Core
>>>Punk, but bring up Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath...)
>>>
>>
>>I mentioned punk and hardcore and zep and sabbath to bring
>to
>>mind that I have a wide appreciation for different angles of
>>hard music. Not just a "I heard some Van Halen songs before"
>>reference to hard music.
>
>kinda sounds like it though...you GOTTA admit THAT.
>
no I don't admit at all. I don't have to go deep into something unless I feel like it. The subject was Fishbone and LC so I didn't feel like dropping punk HC names cause that wasn't necessary.

But hey, I'm down anytime for punk hc youtube links listings and I'm sure my links will measure up to anyone's.

  

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36. "RE: what could be more off the wall than calling LC "very hard rock"?"
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actually van halen would be more comparable to LC than Sabbath or anything "Hard"

They were contemporaries but defintiely not very hard...they got a little harder with Biscuits but still never that hard...I liked Living Colour...they're no Fishbone but I liked them in their day (not really glamour boys though...Love Rears Its Ugly Head was my jam for a while)

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38. "look this is a track LC made a video for- not just a CD track"
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Auslander

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYKxa_22BVk

that's hard to me- and it wasn't buried on the CD. they made a video for it. Does it sound like Van Halen to you?

no it isn't the hardest thing I've heard either. I've got my youtube links ready, also.

  

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39. "I waited for a while but I got to go now but Wed 4/20/11"
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I'll, Jesus Christ willing, be back to post links whatever. I backed up what I stated. LC went hard.

  

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42. "interest seems to have waned, eh, I still said I'd be back and"
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I was encouraging folks to challenge my ear for "hard" music, that didn't happen apparently (even though there was an insinuation I was frontin') so here's my personal hard music picks:

New York Hard core: the way it is (various NYHC bands: Bold, Nausea, Gorilla
Biscuits, Warzone, Trip 6, Breakdown, Youth of today, Sick of it all,
Krakdown, Side by side, YDL, Supertouch - I think that's the order)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cswdy4euWUk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmIkkTzlmtA&feature=related

Negative FX - together/Negative FX/feel like a man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUrfVMlSMl4

DYS - Circle storm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLtwcuhjW9Y

Agnostic front - victim in pain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_akYLilAHk

DRI - couch slouch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uG51E656lg&feature=related

Judge - fed up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x1J02VTXuM

Krakdown - blinded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Horr6aFVxk

Negative approach - ready to fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7l_nejSYl8

Straight Ahead - more important
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il1ZVTu2Fd8&feature=related

Black Flag - padded cell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a1-VLoU7vs

Meat Puppets - in a car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKtGiLyka5A&feature=related

Black Flag Damaged I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coaHe5FuK14

Napalm Death - breed to breathe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBRzpvJgUB8

Deftones - Lotion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7lYbof7iwc

Bad Brains - tongue tee tie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=logN7CRzdDY

Nirvana - Beeswax
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YklkclO83E

Nirvana - Curmudgeon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nci-QgUAUnM

Ruins
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30. "same with funny vibe? "
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you must be thinking about a remix or something- funny vibe was not a pop song with rock guitar

>
>and again. If they "Hit Hard" they wouldn't make shit like
>"Glamor Boys" that was a fuckin' Pop song with Rock Guitar.
>Same with "Funny Vibe". Nobody's being contrarian. I think
>you're just seeing it all with revisionist glasses.
>

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32. "meaning it TOO was a Pop Song."
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46. "hmm- never really struck me as a pop song"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdQtYfURhTM

i was always geeked off the ride work towards the end of the 1st section.

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14. "yeah, Kendall seemed robotic, zoned out, or som'n"
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But (at least on camera), the band acted like he was back to his old self.


>How can we call that album a failure if it put them on the
>"mainstream" map?

I mean "failure" from the perspective that it did not sell as much as Sony or Fishbone were anticipating. I thought David Kahne and Dowd said that themselves. I agree it brought them their momentary mainstream shine.


>So how do you explain the success of Living Colour?

Several things:

a. A co-sign from Mick Jagger.

b. Vernon Reid was a more highly acclaimed musician than anyone in Fishbone. And having co-founded the Black Rock Coalition, Reid had already positioned Living Colour as a signature "black rock" act.

c. More traditional front man in Corey Glover compared to Angelo.

d. Undeniable riff of "Cult of Personality."

e. I'd argue that getting Latifah and Little Richard on the second album made black people less skeptical about them compared to Fishbone.

Overall they were more professional/easier to deal with than Fishbone. I also don't think they shifted styles as frequently as Fishbone.



  

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18. "EVERYTHING you said is probably a fact...BUT ( lol...)"
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>>So how do you explain the success of Living Colour?
>
>Several things:
>
>a. A co-sign from Mick Jagger.

Which imo is worthless to what they did. Sure, it might've gotten them more looks, but it means SHIT musically.


>
>b. Vernon Reid was a more highly acclaimed musician than
>anyone in Fishbone. And having co-founded the Black Rock
>Coalition, Reid had already positioned Living Colour as a
>signature "black rock" act.
>

Fair enough. BUT that's more about peripheral shit than music. and SHAME on anybody who thought that LC was a signature Black Rock act. That's a slap in the face to Bad Brains, if ANYTHING.


>c. More traditional front man in Corey Glover compared to
>Angelo.

but for the shit that Fishbone did? Angelo was PERFECT. and seriously. All Corey Glover did was flip his hair around. He had a GREAT voice, but Angelo is the quintessential front man. Didn't Norwood call him "one of the greatest Front Men of all time"? From an underground Rock perspective, it's kinda hard to disagree with that...


>
>d. Undeniable riff of "Cult of Personality."

Catchy. I'll give you that. But seriously. Fishbone's catalog blows them outta the fuckin' frame.


>
>e. I'd argue that getting Latifah and Little Richard on the
>second album made black people less skeptical about them
>compared to Fishbone.

and in keeping with the Punk Rock ethos, that should've been a Death Knell.


>
> Overall they were more professional/easier to deal with
>than Fishbone.

How do we as fans know that? Sounds like speculation. And since when are Rock Stars supposed to be well behaved and managable? Isn't that the POINT?

I also don't think they shifted styles as
>frequently as Fishbone.

nothing to think about. They played straightforward Rock. Unless they were collaborating with Queen Latifah and Little Richard
*looks at camera*


( and I'm a die hard PE fan, but "Funny Vibe"? *side eye*)

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24. "I agree LC 'won' based on largerly non-musical factors, BUT"
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To me, skills are not enough to guarantee popularity.

Could Fishbone kick Living Colour's ass? Most definitely.

But I don't think anyone could dispute that Living Colour navigated the industry much better than Fishbone. It sucks, but you have to know how to operate within the industry as an artist. Especially for black acts, it's very hard to be completely uncompromising.

I think that uncompromising attitude gained them a lot of credibility among other artists, but it hurt them commercially.

I mean, listening to Truth and Soul, Reality of My Surroundings, and Give A Money A Brain - there is a lot of diversity on those records. And STILL people say none of their albums captured what they were really like live. That is pretty astounding. I mean, damn, if those gave a limited view of the band, maybe it was impossible to capture them in the studio. Some acts are like that. Maybe they should have dropped a live album or video between 1991 and 94.

One thing I didn't know before seeing the movie was that Fishbone wasn't even thinking about a deal. They were happy just doing shows. It shows they maybe they weren't really taking it serious as a career, unlike Vernon Reid.

Even with the Dallas Austin album, I think that could have worked out better for them if they had been willing to compromise. He was trying to give them a hit. But no, Angelo wanted to go theramin crazy (LOL) and Norwood is talking about he wanted to do an underground album.

> And since when are Rock Stars supposed to be well behaved and
> managable? Isn't that the POINT?

I agree. But selling lots of records makes it easier for the label to put up with difficult personalities. Six or seven guys with different ideas on what needs to be done makes it hard to work with a label. Maybe if someone had stepped up to be The Leader things would have been different.

I'm also wondering if Branford, Ice T and Flea had so much love for them, why didn't they try to elevate Fishbone when they were riding high? Do a track with them, hype them during interviews, something.

  

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26. "yeah, I think Ice-T was full of shit..."
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.
>
>I'm also wondering if Ice T \had so much
>love for them, why didn't they try to elevate Fishbone when
>they were riding high? Do a track with them, hype them during
>interviews, something.


And not only THAT, he went and put together that wack ass Body Count band. If nothing else, he could've used Fishbone for that project...



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29. "RE: yeah, I think Ice-T was full of shit..."
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What artist did Ice ever really break? It's not like he was this all powerful industry cat that could just blow up Fishbone. I know they toured together and were friends (I saw them at Long Beach State around that time) and I highly doubt that Fishbone would have been satisfied with playing the backing band for Ice T's side project. That would be an insult to even ask them to do something like that. He got his high school buddies to make that wack ass shit and that's all it should have been.

  

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31. "I thought Ice T put Everlast on"
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>I highly doubt that Fishbone would have been satisfied with playing
>the backing band for Ice T's side project.

They were the backing band on Joi's Amoeba Cleansing Syndrome album. Not only was Joi much less well known than Ice T, but that shit didn't even come out. So I don't think they were above backing someone if asked.

  

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34. "and at THAT point, they wouldn't have been *backing* anybody."
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>
>
>>I highly doubt that Fishbone would have been satisfied with
>playing
>>the backing band for Ice T's side project.
>
>They were the backing band on Joi's Amoeba Cleansing Syndrome
>album. Not only was Joi much less well known than Ice T, but
>that shit didn't even come out. So I don't think they were
>above backing someone if asked.



it might've been billed as "Ice T & Fishbone" or "Ice T feat Fishbone" or whatever. Maybe even "Fishbone feat Ice T"...It's not like nobody would've known who they were.

kinda like that PE and Anthrax collaboration. Fans of both just naturally gravitated to it.





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33. "Not that he should've Blown them up."
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shit, they might have had a fan base just as big as his. Who's to say?



>What artist did Ice ever really break? It's not like he was
>this all powerful industry cat that could just blow up
>Fishbone. I know they toured together and were friends (I saw
>them at Long Beach State around that time) and I highly doubt
>that Fishbone would have been satisfied with playing the
>backing band for Ice T's side project.

what I'm saying is, that if he REALLY wanted to make some Rock shit ( and not some gimmicky bullshit i.e Body Count), why not do something with Fishbone?


That would be an insult
>to even ask them to do something like that.

Nah, I think if it was done right, they might've been down with it.

He got his high
>school buddies to make that wack ass shit and that's all it
>should have been.

and it certainly was. Wack Shit, that is...



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41. "RE: Not that he should've Blown them up."
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So you actually would have wanted to see that? Backing Ice T's wack ass side rock project would have done nothing for Fishbone but probably frustrate the hell out of them. It's not like Body Count blew up. They basically only sold any records at all because of the Cop Killer controversy. I just think it's unfair to say that Ice T is full of shit because he didn't hire them as his backing band. Just because you are a fan of a band doesn't mean that you automatically are going to make them your band on your side project and I'm glad that it never happened. We might not be reflecting on Fishbone so fondly if that ever did happen. It's a shame that they didn't "blow up" but that doesn't affect how I listen to those records.

  

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44. "zactly,discos just spittin shrapnel @ any/everyone on behalf of his boys"
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Ice-T was gonna change Fishbone's commercial career trajectory?

  

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48. "where are you gettin all THAT from?"
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>Ice-T was gonna change Fishbone's commercial career
>trajectory?
>
>


i never said he would blow them up. In fact I said "NOT that he would've blown them up..."


All I'm saying is this. Ice-T says that Fishbone was the "OG" ( his exact words, not mine). Ice-T decides to do a Rock Project, and since he's a Fishbone fan, why not give THEM a look, rather than put together some bullshit. THAT'S all I'm saying. Not that anybody would be "backing" anybody else. That would've simply been two well known artists collaborating.

I'm not saying it would've been a new band. It's just Fishbone and Ice-T making a tune or two together. Everybody pisses themselves over the "Judgement Night" soundtrack, how would this have been any different?

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52. "RE: where are you gettin all THAT from?"
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>>Ice-T was gonna change Fishbone's commercial career
>>trajectory?
>>
>>
>
>
>i never said he would blow them up. In fact I said "NOT that
>he would've blown them up..."
>
>
>All I'm saying is this. Ice-T says that Fishbone was the "OG"
>( his exact words, not mine). Ice-T decides to do a Rock
>Project, and since he's a Fishbone fan, why not give THEM a
>look, rather than put together some bullshit. THAT'S all I'm
>saying. Not that anybody would be "backing" anybody else. That
>would've simply been two well known artists collaborating.
>
>I'm not saying it would've been a new band. It's just Fishbone
>and Ice-T making a tune or two together. Everybody pisses
>themselves over the "Judgement Night" soundtrack, how would
>this have been any different?
>
I do think it's conceivable to admire and be a fan of a group while still trying to make your own thing.

It just so happens that Body Count sucked, as did Ice-T's Slayer collab on the aformentioned Judgment Night soundtrack (I think I only liked four songs off that record anyway).

  

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49. "you guys are going waaaaaaay to the extreme."
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>So you actually would have wanted to see that? Backing Ice
>T's wack ass side rock project would have done nothing for
>Fishbone but probably frustrate the hell out of them.

Dude. It might've been ONE song or an EP. We'll never even know.

All I'M saying is as a fan of a band that I can get into contact with, I would call them to do something, if I'm in that position. Ice T just threw some shit together and hoped for the best.


It's not
>like Body Count blew up. They basically only sold any records
>at all because of the Cop Killer controversy.

THAT'S my point. They weren't even good.

I just think
>it's unfair to say that Ice T is full of shit because he
>didn't hire them as his backing band. Just because you are a
>fan of a band doesn't mean that you automatically are going to
>make them your band on your side project and I'm glad that it
>never happened.

No, but if you're doing someting that they're good at, why NOT give them a look. Especially if you have the leverage to do it? Rappers put other acts on all the time.

We might not be reflecting on Fishbone so
>fondly if that ever did happen.

So do we hate Public Enemy because of the collaboration with Anthrax? Do we discount KRS-ONE's body of work because of the verse he did on REM's "Radio Song"?

It's a shame that they didn't
>"blow up" but that doesn't affect how I listen to those
>records.

Not at all.


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51. "RE: you guys are going waaaaaaay to the extreme."
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>>So you actually would have wanted to see that? Backing Ice
>>T's wack ass side rock project would have done nothing for
>>Fishbone but probably frustrate the hell out of them.
>
>Dude. It might've been ONE song or an EP. We'll never even
>know.

I'm sure Ice T and Fishbone are all fans of a bunch of artists that they never got a chance to work with for whatever reason. Schedules, timing, etc all have to match up and if they don't then it never happens. No harm no foul.
>
>All I'M saying is as a fan of a band that I can get into
>contact with, I would call them to do something, if I'm in
>that position. Ice T just threw some shit together and hoped
>for the best.

Maybe he did and maybe it just didn't work out. Doesn't negate the fact that he was a fan.
>
>
>It's not
>>like Body Count blew up. They basically only sold any
>records
>>at all because of the Cop Killer controversy.
>
>THAT'S my point. They weren't even good.
>
>I just think
>>it's unfair to say that Ice T is full of shit because he
>>didn't hire them as his backing band. Just because you are a
>>fan of a band doesn't mean that you automatically are going
>to
>>make them your band on your side project and I'm glad that
>it
>>never happened.
>
>No, but if you're doing someting that they're good at, why NOT
>give them a look. Especially if you have the leverage to do
>it? Rappers put other acts on all the time.

Maybe I'm reading too much into your response but the way it read to me was that Ice T was full of shit and didn't belong in the documentary because he never did a song with Fishbone and he should have if he was such a fan. I just don't see how that makes any sense. There were a ton of Fishbone fans of all genres, especially in the LA music scene, and most of them never did songs with Fishbone but I still would find it interesting to hear what they had to say about the band.
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>We might not be reflecting on Fishbone so
>>fondly if that ever did happen.
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>So do we hate Public Enemy because of the collaboration with
>Anthrax? Do we discount KRS-ONE's body of work because of the
>verse he did on REM's "Radio Song"?

Neither one of those collaborations featured a rapper attempting to do a "hardcore rock" album. They were basically 2 groups coming together from different styles but still doing what they normally do. Body Count was Ice trying to be a metal dude. I personally don't want to hear Fishbone on that shit.
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>It's a shame that they didn't
>>"blow up" but that doesn't affect how I listen to those
>>records.
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>Not at all.
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37. "They were just "safer" than FB"
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40. "and that's ALL it was...n/m"
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43. "they also had a stronger singer, better guitarist, wrote songs that"
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appealed to a broader audience & handled their career with a modicum of sense/professionalism.

But I guess if they hadn't been pumped to the masses, Fishbone could have been Nirvana.

  

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47. "bottom line is LC went 'all in' with the machine"
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gave 'em 2 singles, straight format

-i wish fishbone had blown up with Truth & Soul

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50. "ennh, I hate the whole "better" thing. It's all relative."
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you're making good points, and I can't argue some of them. But I'm not gonna call Corey Glover "better" than Angelo or Chris. I like them all vocally.


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9. "I posted about it back in January. It's a great doc..."
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I'll restate what I wrote in the original post: It's a fantastic film that's equal parts sad, funny and hopeful, all the while being completely unflinching in its depiction of how much creative people can suffer trying to keep a dream alive.

It was really a trip for me to watch personally. I discovered Fishbone when I was in high school in the mid-'90s, around the time of the "Chim Chim's Badass Revenge" album -- the Dallas Austin produced record where it became clear the band was never going to reach the level of success hit by peers like the Chili Peppers and Jane's Addiction -- and they completely scrambled the way I listened to music. I became totally obsessed with Fishbone after one mind-blowing show in 1997 and as such already knew a lot of the stuff covered in the doc, but it's crazy to see footage of Kendall starting to wig out on everybody and hear these guys talk about the group falling apart for the first time (at least for me). And I actually had no idea the band had reconciled with Kendall and Chris Dowd in the last few years, so it's even crazier to see footage of them spontaneously playing "Party at Ground Zero" together in some tiny-ass Bay Area club.

Every member is strikingly honest in discussing the band's history and downfall, especially Angelo and Norwood who don't hide their frustrations with their current situation (and each other), slogging their way around the world with hired hands, playing for small crowds and cranking out new music while still believing they can reach a wider audience almost 30 years into the band's existence. It's sort of noble that they haven't gone down the reunion path even though that seems like a viable option, but in retrospect the best thing they could have done -- at least for their bank accounts -- was to break up after "Give a Monkey a Brain..." (when Chris and Kendall left), then do a reunion of the original lineup right around now, like a lot of their contemporaries have done.

From a cinematic perspective it might be a bit overlong, but as a longtime fan who finds there to be a dearth of available archival footage of the band even in the YouTube era, I found the entire thing fascinating.

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11. "Chris Dowd interview: *swipe*"
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Forgive me for getting this swipe from "across the tracks" lol:



http://www.afropunk.com/profiles/blogs/christopher-dowd-describes-his



The band still tours today, although only two of the original six members are in the group now. Recently, renewed interest in the band has surfaced thanks to the documentary, Everyday Sunshine: The Story of Fishbone. The question that now looms with their strong cult following is, will the original lineup get back together to reclaim their legacy? With the set up for the Grammy awards in downtown LA as our backdrop, keyboardist/vocalist and founding member Christopher Dowd weighed in on this question fiercely. Things have to be straightened out. There was a time I was begging Angelo to do it. Im not begging anymore. Over the years I have kept in contact with all of the original members of the bandthere was just a lot of emotional abuse that went down and people have to own up to that. For this thing to happen again, we need to be real with ourselves and with each other.



Chris Dowd post Fishbone era



When asked to explain why he left the band, Dowd becomes animated and states, When we started this we were a family. We had some of the greatest moments and some very fucked up moments. Kendall Jones (founding member/guitarist) left the band right before our biggest tour (Lollapalooza 94). I wanted to pump the brakes on this thing for a minute after that tour. I wish we could have been more real with each other. Like I said, we were emotionally abusive towards each other and I needed to get away from that. I had wanted to take a break from touring since 89. We had been touring non-stop since then. The tension had been building!



The tension and his departure from Fishbone led Chris Dowd on an intense journey. Dowd explains, I left the band in 94 and I put out my own record with the band Seedy Arkestra (The Puzzle which featured songwriter David Ryan Harris and the dearly departed Jeff Buckley). I was writing and producing and I was able to get Morley Cain signed to Sony. I toured opening shows for Jerry Cantrell.





After that I went back to London and I just focused on songwriting. I came back to LA and honestly, from 2000-2004 I drank myself blind! I was miserable. My marriage was falling apart, Jeff Buckley passed away, Lane Stayley had passed awayI just really needed to find myself during that period. One of the ways Dowd was able to find himself, was to dive head first into one of his all time loves; cooking! Kendall and I would have cook offs! We would get everyone together while on tour, send someone to the grocery store with a list, and we would cook for everyone. People could see that I took that shit seriously! I ended up enrolling in Le Cordon Bleu. On the second day of the class my instructor walked in with a Fishbone T-shirt on! HA! I started catering different eventscooking gave me back my confidence. It gave me back my focus and sense of self. With all the touring we did I just lost a sense of who I was and I needed time to get that back. I needed time to be honest with myself."


Its this type of earnestness Chris is bringing to his latest musical project The Ultra Infidels. When asked to describe the project Chris states, We are recording and we are getting ready to go out on tour with a band called Kings Go Forth. Im not sure how we are gonna release this new musicnot sure how to get it to people but I know I WONT be signing any 360 deals again! I am gonna make sure I get paid! With the musical landscape looking much different now than in the late 80s/early 90s, one might think Dowd would be a bit intimidated about jumping back into the music scene.



Early Fishbone Years



Chris defiantly declares, I have heard folks telling me that. Everything is different, everything has changed, and you wont be successful. Look, people are touring right now! People are doing it right now. When we put this new music out if it reaches five million people that would be great! But if it only reaches five people, thats ok too. If it goes double platinum, great but I will be ok if it only goes double plywood, Ha! I was in the way of my own success last time around. I am open to see what happens. My hope is that the people who are watching this version of Fishbone who miss my contributions and what I did with the band will gravitate to what I am doing now. I hope they gravitate to it and I hope they dig it.


Hope becomes the optimal word in the Fishbone saga. Some have wondered why mainstream success eluded the band many moons ago. Even The Roots drummer Questlove has spoken of the dreaded Fishbone curse, the idea of being universally respected by musicians but sanctimoniously ignored by the mainstream. Dowd bristles when he hears this and exclaims, Fishbone curse?!!? Man there is no curse! The curse of Fishbone was Fishbone! We did it to ourselves! I left the band because there was too much ego, plain and simple! When I joined the band I was not a virtuoso. I didnt want to be a session musician and play on a bunch of peoples records like (drummer) Fish. I dealt with the emotional side of music. I wanted to write the shit that was gonna get on the radio! There was no curse. It was all about individuals not taking responsibility for what they did.



When asked to give his opinion on the current version of Fishbone, Chris smiles and simply states, They are at, where they are at. Thats all I can say about the band nowits just a different animal. When we started the band we just wanted to embrace all kinds of music. I know the myth is that we were only into funk and then the darkies got bussed to the white school and the white boys showed us rock! Thats a lie. We were already experimenting with different types of music! We said fuck the musical barriers. We loved melody, harmony, rhythm and soul. We wanted to do it all and play it all. We did exactly that, and we got it right. Without hesitation Dowd also adds, I wouldnt hold your breath for a Fishbone reunion but then again; never say never! Its a roller coaster ride I do think we should get together if for nothing else, to just set the record straight, and I would love to do new music with the guys. New Fishbone music would be my goal if we got together again.


Looks like the musical roller coaster ride for Chris Dowd will continue as he prepares to unleash his latest musical project The Ultra Infidels and as he and the rest of the original members of Fishbone weigh the pros and cons of reclaiming their alternative rock legacy. Lets hope the ride this time around is less bumpy and lets hope it lasts a little bit longer.

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17. "informative read, thanks for posting this. "
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That article did kind of kill my hopes of a reunion, though. The documentary left me with the feeling like it could happen, but Dowd is saying the personal issues still haven't been dealt with.

  

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20. "I always liked his writing and singing..."
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but when Dirty Walt said it in the movie:

"Chris Dowd is an asshole..."


It made me wonder. and if you noticed, he WAS kinda smug in his interviews. I'm sure a lot of shit went down that we as fans will NEVER know about.I can't call it either way.


I don't think there'll ever be a Fishbone reunion. But if they do, I'm there in the front row.

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25. "I think a lot of artists have assholish tendencies"
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so I can't hold that against Dowd.

And since he saw himself as the main, or best, writer in a group that so many people thought was great, I can see why he would be souped on himself.

I agree that there is a lot of dirt that the documentary did not get into. I noticed Fish didn't even fuck with it. Why is that? So clearly there is more to the story.

  

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28. "damn!!!! Wish I had known about this when it was here..."
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