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according to Statik Selektah

http://www.mtv.com/news/1903598/statik-selektah-kanye-west-what-goes-around/

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speaking of jazz - FlyLo & Herbie Hancock
Aug 23rd 2014
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post over
Aug 24th 2014
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RE: speaking of jazz - FlyLo & Herbie Hancock
Aug 24th 2014
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X Box killed my dog is on that ideas drafts and loops
Aug 24th 2014
13
daaaaaammnnnnnnnn
Aug 24th 2014
11
its good
Aug 24th 2014
18
I would think it has to be him in some way or another.
Aug 24th 2014
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      Pretty sure it's Thundercat's brother.
Aug 24th 2014
32
           damn, what he do then? lol.
Aug 24th 2014
36
Aug 24th 2014
37
mofo, you (music-industry-wise) die first.
Aug 24th 2014
3
He's very wrong, but yikes
Aug 24th 2014
4
You said "faggot" and talked bad on Kanye
Aug 24th 2014
10
      i do too
Aug 24th 2014
39
Just want to say that the Statik Selektah album is fiyah
Aug 24th 2014
6
is there an instrumental version?
Aug 24th 2014
7
      You don't like Black Thought, Posdnous, and Kool Keith?
Aug 24th 2014
8
           that's 3 rappers out of like 60 on the project
Aug 24th 2014
9
jazz-sampled rap is probably my favorite period in rap.
Aug 24th 2014
12
i am pleased that there is an era of music that you enjoy.
Aug 24th 2014
15
why would you want him to "contemporize" his sound?
Aug 24th 2014
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why do you reply to that miserable fool
Aug 24th 2014
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i dunno.
Aug 24th 2014
22
Because he's a fuck face alias
Aug 24th 2014
20
no, he likes being part of a 'contemporary movement'
Aug 25th 2014
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      ahh.
Aug 25th 2014
45
plus it sounds like the most digital album ever....
Aug 24th 2014
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      that too.
Aug 24th 2014
35
Kanye is not as smart or as good as he thinks he is
Aug 24th 2014
14
It's on life support let's be honest
Aug 24th 2014
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Eh...
Aug 24th 2014
23
Lol jazz is very much alive and internationally
Aug 24th 2014
25
dag, the nigga Kanye can't even have cliche opinions.
Aug 24th 2014
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WOW
Aug 24th 2014
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Aug 24th 2014
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smh
Aug 24th 2014
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But when an artist chooses to move on from
Aug 24th 2014
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      that isn't the point
Aug 25th 2014
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           RE: that isn't the point
Aug 25th 2014
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                RE: that isn't the point
Aug 25th 2014
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                I don't give a fuck and a cheese biscuit who it is
Aug 26th 2014
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                     RE: I don't give a fuck and a cheese biscuit who it is
Aug 26th 2014
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                          He can say anytime he likes, but it's incorrect
Aug 27th 2014
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                          RE: He can say anytime he likes, but it's incorrect
Aug 27th 2014
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                               RE: He can say anytime he likes, but it's incorrect
Aug 28th 2014
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                          "...i don't doubt it, look at how they act"
Aug 27th 2014
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                               RE: "...i don't doubt it, look at how they act"
Aug 27th 2014
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Aug 24th 2014
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Aug 25th 2014
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Aug 25th 2014
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Aug 25th 2014
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lol @ using a sentence from one artist
Aug 24th 2014
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FIXED: lol @ using a sentence from a bigger artist
Aug 24th 2014
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      It worked for me because I wouldve never checked for it otherwise..
Aug 26th 2014
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I'm listening to the album and I'm not feeling the production
Aug 24th 2014
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Bookmark.
Aug 25th 2014
40
My favorite Jazz-Rap song in years right here...
Aug 25th 2014
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This is dope.
Aug 25th 2014
46
first off... I'm glad that there is a 'Wynton Marsalis' wing of rap
Aug 25th 2014
44
jazz has been so abused as a term, its pretty pathetic
Aug 25th 2014
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Even with that he's still wrong
Aug 25th 2014
49
Jazz is a heritage genre now
Aug 25th 2014
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archival music
Aug 25th 2014
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what does that mean?
Aug 25th 2014
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RE: Jazz is a heritage genre now
Aug 25th 2014
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what does that mean?
Aug 25th 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUlPrRHfWAI
Aug 25th 2014
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that sounds dope
Aug 26th 2014
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      all their albums are the shit.
Aug 28th 2014
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there are a lot of young newer jazz artists out there
Aug 25th 2014
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maybe this is worthy of a spin off thread in itself
Aug 26th 2014
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fuck jazz!
Aug 26th 2014
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The surprise? Kanye is focused on moving units
Aug 26th 2014
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I ask strictly out of curiosity
Aug 27th 2014
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ahhhh...them old school adidas olympic sweatshirts
Aug 26th 2014
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RE: ahhhh...them old school adidas olympic sweatshirts
Aug 26th 2014
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High Society
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1. "speaking of jazz - FlyLo & Herbie Hancock"
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04fh1q9

go to the 1:11 mark.

Thundercat on bass.
Kamasi Washington and his horn.

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2. "post over"
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To people like US, a record is a piece of history. A moment in time.
Most people don't get it.

  

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5. "RE: speaking of jazz - FlyLo & Herbie Hancock"
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What project is that "An Xbox Killed My Dog" from?

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13. "X Box killed my dog is on that ideas drafts and loops"
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Zip file he let go about a year ago

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11. "daaaaaammnnnnnnnn"
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18. "its good"
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Sun Aug-24-14 02:58 PM by astralblak

  

          

i wonder who's on drums or if that's Fly Lo programming/chopping or possibly playing

  

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High Society
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21. "I would think it has to be him in some way or another."
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Otherwise what else is he doing on the track?

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32. "Pretty sure it's Thundercat's brother."
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█▆▇▅▇█▇▆▄▁▃
Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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36. "damn, what he do then? lol."
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Get em all in a room? He said track started out as him and Kamasi.

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37. ""
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█▆▇▅▇█▇▆▄▁▃
Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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3. "mofo, you (music-industry-wise) die first."
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And it's coming soon.

Waterboard this faggot with his own piss.

bitch.

you, sir, are far from timeless.

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4. "He's very wrong, but yikes"
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10. "You said "faggot" and talked bad on Kanye"
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So they won't hear you

I do, though

>And it's coming soon.
>
>Waterboard this faggot with his own piss.
>
>bitch.
>
>you, sir, are far from timeless.
>
>

  

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39. "i do too"
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6. "Just want to say that the Statik Selektah album is fiyah"
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www.albumism.com

Checkin' Our Style, Return To Zero:

https://www.mixcloud.com/returntozero/

  

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7. "is there an instrumental version? "
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_________
steamrollin'

  

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8. "You don't like Black Thought, Posdnous, and Kool Keith?"
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www.albumism.com

Checkin' Our Style, Return To Zero:

https://www.mixcloud.com/returntozero/

  

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9. "that's 3 rappers out of like 60 on the project"
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but nah i'm not a fan of Keith post-Ultra

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12. "jazz-sampled rap is probably my favorite period in rap."
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but i hate statik selektah and i dl'd the album against my better judgement just "to see"... and just as i thought i hate this album.

this dude belonged to the dilated peoples school of rap.

meaning he willingly existed cowering of the shadow of his idols, never dare to risk doing anything outside the range of what they exhibited 10-15-20-25 years ago.

this album verbatim could have dropped in 2004 and it still would have been outdated by 5 years.

all the rappers sound like 50 years old.
you know why? because they fucking are.

this album blows.
the only takeaway from this is i feel sorry for joey badass for ruining his career by staying so stringently loyal to a period he wasn't a part of rather than contemporizing it's styles/standards to fit in today.

  

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15. "i am pleased that there is an era of music that you enjoy. "
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good job

  

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16. "why would you want him to "contemporize" his sound?"
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you don't like contemporary music.


>the only takeaway from this is i feel sorry for joey badass
>for ruining his career by staying so stringently loyal to a
>period he wasn't a part of rather than contemporizing it's
>styles/standards to fit in today.



  

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19. "why do you reply to that miserable fool"
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22. "i dunno. "
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i have 2 heads about everything.

  

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20. "Because he's a fuck face alias"
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43. "no, he likes being part of a 'contemporary movement'"
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that's actually relevant... that's got 0 to do with music

  

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45. "ahh. "
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that actually explains everything.
he's pissed that the music he favors is no longer popular.

i get it now.

i can actually relate to that, seeing as i preferred r&b to hip hop.
but you can't really expect it to go back.

i made my peace with that a long time ago.
the music i like still exists, but it will never be popular the way it was.

even if stevie and prince's vault got released tomorrow
nothing will connect with a mass audience the way it did
when we were in that era.

  

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26. "plus it sounds like the most digital album ever...."
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like he recorded it with usb mic direct to protools from cd and mastered from mp3

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

  

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35. "that too."
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but i figured people liked that nowadays.

  

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14. "Kanye is not as smart or as good as he thinks he is"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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17. "It's on life support let's be honest"
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Contemporary acts like Robert gals per have to mix in hip hop r&b and everything else just to stir up enough interest to generat some concert money just to survive

If it was a viable thriving art, this fool could have gotten actual musicians in the studio, but he didn't he got samples...why? That's all that's out there




does it really matter?

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23. "Eh..."
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You do know that the now classic Miles Davis albums with the Shorter-Hancock-Williams line-up in the mid-late 60's initially sold in the range of 25-30 000 copies. That at a time when records were still selling; Coltrane did similar numbers with the exception of "A love supreme". Furthermore, it took "Kind of blue" decades to go platinum; a certification numerous rock/R&B/Hip-Hop/whatever albums have reached within days. And those were the biggest "real" jazz-acts.

Not saying that jazz isn't on life support but using "interest" as some sort of measurement of its relevance/status is a bit off; it's *been* on life-support for 50 years with some exceptions like fusion, it's not really relevant per se.



>Contemporary acts like Robert gals per have to mix in hip hop
>r&b and everything else just to stir up enough interest to
>generat some concert money just to survive

Just like fusion 40+ years ago then... Nothing new there...

>
>If it was a viable thriving art, this fool could have gotten
>actual musicians in the studio, but he didn't he got
>samples...why? That's all that's out there
>

Please...

  

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25. "Lol jazz is very much alive and internationally"
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Just yesterday I heard songs back to back from Lomdon, New Zealand, and Switzerland. Not to mention artists like Glasper, Jose James, Nicholas Payton, Gregory Porter, Dianne Reaves, Herbia da GAWD, etc etc

  

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24. "dag, the nigga Kanye can't even have cliche opinions."
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in HIS studio sessions.

  

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27. "WOW"
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and not at the Kaney part (him being loud and wrong is pretty much par for the course) but the people cosigning it without really having a clue

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28. ""
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HA...

I remember talking with Statik about this years ago...

The funnier part of the story is that he listened to 60 beats and said "give me the congas from #42"

Ye... is right..

The idea that jazz samples in hip hop can get back on the radio is truly difficult... I would love for it to happen BUT..

It won't..

Why WOULD you guys want Ye to work backwards though.. He has/had Pete Rock, Preemo, NOID and 88 in the studio.. if he WANTED a Pete Rock record from 92 he could get one..

The point is to advance..




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30. "smh"
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there's all sorts of different chambers of jazz to a) sample and b) freak in a different way
the concept of not using jazz samples anymore because you can't do different things than others have done in the past is bullshit

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33. "But when an artist chooses to move on from"
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territories like that, it's not always because there's no creative wiggle room left there.

Sometimes an artist can, understandably, imo, feel like no matter how crazy you flip a jazz record, for example, people will ALWAYS say "TROY better".
It happens, whether it's warranted or not.
Even if What Goes Around was 400% better than it is (and I really like it), legacy wise? It'll never go in the same sentence as Low End Theory or Mecca & the Soul Brother. & if he repeated that feat several times over, Statik still would never join the ranks of Q-Tip or Pete Rock. We hip hop heads don't believe in that kind of post-golden era upward mobility.

Just like how any poppin, lockin pop/r&b dude, no matter how much he elevates the game, will ALWAYS be considered a MJ wannabe at best.

I'm just sayin, maybe the jazz that's dead is the culture (including the amount of critical & commercial props available to even the most exemplary practitioners), not just the music.

  

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42. "that isn't the point"
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>territories like that, it's not always because there's no
>creative wiggle room left there.
>

not the argument I'm making


>Sometimes an artist can, understandably, imo, feel like no
>matter how crazy you flip a jazz record, for example, people
>will ALWAYS say "TROY better".

if you're doing it so people can you flipped something better than someone else, you're doing it for the wrong reasons


>It happens, whether it's warranted or not.
>Even if What Goes Around was 400% better than it is (and I
>really like it), legacy wise? It'll never go in the same
>sentence as Low End Theory or Mecca & the Soul Brother. & if
>he repeated that feat several times over, Statik still would
>never join the ranks of Q-Tip or Pete Rock. We hip hop heads
>don't believe in that kind of post-golden era upward
>mobility.
>

it shouldn't
that's why you do different shit
you don't have to flip jazz records like Tip and Pete, bring your own shit to it


>Just like how any poppin, lockin pop/r&b dude, no matter how
>much he elevates the game, will ALWAYS be considered a MJ
>wannabe at best.
>

mostly because all of them bite Mike's moves instead of adding on, and less because of public sentiment
Mike added shit to the James Brown method, but nobody has come along and added to Mike's shit because they're content just taking his shit


>I'm just sayin, maybe the jazz that's dead is the culture
>(including the amount of critical & commercial props available
>to even the most exemplary practitioners), not just the
>music.

when the court of public opinion has moved on, the culture will still be here
anybody that lives and dies by mass recognition is doomed to not have much of a career anyhow

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50. "RE: that isn't the point"
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This is Kanye we are talking about..

he has MORE than a career at this point...

He chose not to fuck with jazz samples cuz he was forward looking..

To him Jazz sounds best flipped by the folks he grew up on..

Think again about the people around him.. Pete, Tip, Sa Ra, Preemo, NOID, 88.. you dont think there are enough forward thinking cats?

It just isn't the sound of the future..

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54. "RE: that isn't the point"
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>It just isn't the sound of the future..

or perhaps, he only sees the ways it's already been utilized and he's not visionary enough to see how it could potentially be contemporized and incorporated into today's music.

ye follows trends and takes credit for them - he doesn't actually create them.

  

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67. "I don't give a fuck and a cheese biscuit who it is"
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if you make a statement like that based on your own narrow view of what things really are, it doesn't make it any more right because a lot of people know who you are

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68. "RE: I don't give a fuck and a cheese biscuit who it is"
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So.. a nigga cant say what he wants/believes in HIS OWN STUDIO for HIS OWN ALBUM on HIS OWN DIME?

There were 2 ppl in a studio and he made a statement

In his world at that time and in his music.. and contemporary music in general that shit is true..



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70. "He can say anytime he likes, but it's incorrect"
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Too bad you industry niggas are wired to think that way after finding some level of success, that's how you keep slaves on the plantation

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73. "RE: He can say anytime he likes, but it's incorrect"
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Of course its hyperbolic...

But how much hyperbolic shit is said in a backyard bbq??

Is your beef that he's cutting himself off from creativity? Or not listening to whats happening thats new in jazz?

That he could make it relevant but chooses not to?

I mean imo there is an interesting Jazz undercurrent in alot of Chance's stuff.. most of his band are super talented jazz band kids...

Pharrell would be nowhere w/o Major 7ths

What Terrace and Kendrick do also infuses jazz into the NOW

BUT..

All this stuff happened AFTER that statement.. I mean MBDTF came out in 2010. This statement is a whole college career old

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76. "RE: He can say anytime he likes, but it's incorrect"
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>Of course its hyperbolic...
>

oh so NOW it's hyperbolic?
forget the fact that you've spent the entire post arguing the opposite?
gotcha


>But how much hyperbolic shit is said in a backyard bbq??
>

I don't exactly use nigger activities as a gauge for worthy conversation about accurate statements, so that doesn't really help your point any


>Is your beef that he's cutting himself off from creativity?
>Or not listening to whats happening thats new in jazz?
>

there IS no beef, I just said he's wrong about the subject whether he knows it or not


>That he could make it relevant but chooses not to?
>
>I mean imo there is an interesting Jazz undercurrent in alot
>of Chance's stuff.. most of his band are super talented jazz
>band kids...
>
>Pharrell would be nowhere w/o Major 7ths
>
>What Terrace and Kendrick do also infuses jazz into the NOW
>
>BUT..
>
>All this stuff happened AFTER that statement.. I mean MBDTF
>came out in 2010. This statement is a whole college career
>old
>
>

still incorrect, no matter how you dice it up

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71. ""...i don't doubt it, look at how they act""
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>In...contemporary
>music in general that shit is true..

two jazz albums dropped yesterday that are better than anything you are responsible for in your whole career

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74. "RE: "...i don't doubt it, look at how they act""
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http://gifsoup.com/view/762260/reh-dogg-why-must-i-cry.html

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34. ""
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>The funnier part of the story is that he listened to 60 beats
>and said "give me the congas from #42"

damn what an "artiste".

  

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52. ""
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As a producer he really uses sounds to trigger and fit ideas that he already has and I can fuck with that..

I've given their team pro tools sessions just because they liked the way I flipped/effected an 808..

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53. ""
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>As a producer he really uses sounds to trigger and fit ideas
>that he already has and I can fuck with that..
>
>I've given their team pro tools sessions just because they
>liked the way I flipped/effected an 808..

lol, did they pay you?
what does one charge selling a mixed 808 kick to a millionaire pop-star?

  

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55. ""
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He didnt use it...

But if he did im sure it woulda amounted to something..

Like I've said in previous convos.. they OVER credit in his camp..

Che really is ON IT in terms of giving credit. That's why there are so many names.

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29. "lol @ using a sentence from one artist"
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as the marketing campaign for your album (as exhibited by that article).

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31. "FIXED: lol @ using a sentence from a bigger artist"
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>as the marketing campaign for your album (as exhibited by
>that article).

first thing i thought. really that's the story of how you came to make the album.

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64. "It worked for me because I wouldve never checked for it otherwise.."
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It is sad that I don't have the time that I used to for checking out and looking for new music.

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38. "I'm listening to the album and I'm not feeling the production"
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Plus all that jazz orchestral sound doesn't even fit some of the artists.

SMH

  

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40. "Bookmark."
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41. "My favorite Jazz-Rap song in years right here..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sb2KEf2f9A

And Terrace has a lot of Jazz influenced songs that are great...I just wish he had other artists on the songs.

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46. "This is dope."
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44. "first off... I'm glad that there is a 'Wynton Marsalis' wing of rap"
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(Joey Bada$$ and 'em)

secondly: I understand the frustration of not having anything truly "new" but I think that we've run the course. that's what happens when you make endless product and demand for that product dries up.

  

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47. "jazz has been so abused as a term, its pretty pathetic"
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im no expert myself, but i think people refer more to Jazz The Myth on these boards, the myth that anyone who grew up with hip hop has bought into without really investing into jazz, the actual, yknow, music.

when i read this post i thought they meant an actual jazz album, not just sampling it. i mean, i guess that is still a cousin of jazz, but a hip hop record that samples jazz is a hip hop album, sorry guys, not a jazz album. so kanye didnt say jazz died, he said sampling jazz in hip hop died.

also, this is untrue:

If you name the best beats of all-time, theyre all jazz beats, theyre all jazz samples"


  

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49. "Even with that he's still wrong"
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He's not exactly the best beat maker in the world so I'd expect him to say that because he can't figure out how to do it

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48. "Jazz is a heritage genre now"
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51. "archival music"
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60. "what does that mean?"
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58. "RE: Jazz is a heritage genre now"
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Yea..

Its really hard to think of a time when Jazz or Jazz samples can permeate Top 40 Radio

HOWEVER

The Saxophone as an instrument is fucking winning all over Top 40 radio and EDM tracks

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59. "what does that mean?"
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56. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUlPrRHfWAI"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUlPrRHfWAI

  

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69. "that sounds dope"
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thanks for sharing, definitely going to check them out

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75. "all their albums are the shit."
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glad you like it!

  

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57. "there are a lot of young newer jazz artists out there "
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who have been doing stuff that is way more innovative and really just good music than kanye has recently...

'ye is more of a reality tv tabloid type dude now honestly....

  

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61. "maybe this is worthy of a spin off thread in itself "
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I posted a topic about a young pianist (but its going wood)

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62. "fuck jazz!"
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people are limiting their listening experience thinking in genres.
there are countless musicians out there making fantastic music but they're not concerned with calling it jazz or whatever. someone might call it jazz and another may say it's not jazz. who cares? it's the music that is the thing, not what you think about it. just because something isn't popular doesn't mean it's not there.
smh at kanye and flylo commenting on the status of jazz. they're in the dark.

  

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63. "The surprise? Kanye is focused on moving units"
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to him, jazz IS dead. He ain't making no cheese off jazz loops.

For Statik...Jazz loops makes sense as he can afford to have more artistic license.

If Kanye sampled Jazz loops for his next album he'd destroy his whole brand.

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72. "I ask strictly out of curiosity"
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Do people really feel like Kanye's recent work sounds more "conservative" artistically than What Goes Around?

  

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65. "ahhhh...them old school adidas olympic sweatshirts"
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miss them middle school days in the late 80's.

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66. "RE: ahhhh...them old school adidas olympic sweatshirts"
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Yea them shits are still super dope..

But one Taz bought damn near all the deadstock and embroidered Ti$A on it I was kinda done with em..

They went from 60.00 at And Still to 200+

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