according to Statik Selektah

http://www.mtv.com/news/1903598/statik-selektah-kanye-west-what-goes-around/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04fh1q9

go to the 1:11 mark.

Thundercat on bass.
Kamasi Washington and his horn.

What project is that "An Xbox Killed My Dog" from?

Zip file he let go about a year ago

i wonder who's on drums or if that's Fly Lo programming/chopping or possibly playing

Otherwise what else is he doing on the track?

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Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." © Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

Get em all in a room? He said track started out as him and Kamasi.

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Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." © Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

And it's coming soon.

Waterboard this faggot with his own piss.

bitch.

you, sir, are far from timeless.

So they won't hear you

I do, though

>And it's coming soon.
>
>Waterboard this faggot with his own piss.
>
>bitch.
>
>you, sir, are far from timeless.
>
>

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but nah i'm not a fan of Keith post-Ultra

but i hate statik selektah and i dl'd the album against my better judgement just "to see"... and just as i thought i hate this album.

this dude belonged to the dilated peoples school of rap.

meaning he willingly existed cowering of the shadow of his idols, never dare to risk doing anything outside the range of what they exhibited 10-15-20-25 years ago.

this album verbatim could have dropped in 2004 and it still would have been outdated by 5 years.

all the rappers sound like 50 years old.
you know why? because they fucking are.

this album blows.
the only takeaway from this is i feel sorry for joey badass for ruining his career by staying so stringently loyal to a period he wasn't a part of rather than contemporizing it's styles/standards to fit in today.

good job

you don't like contemporary music.


>the only takeaway from this is i feel sorry for joey badass
>for ruining his career by staying so stringently loyal to a
>period he wasn't a part of rather than contemporizing it's
>styles/standards to fit in today.

.

i have 2 heads about everything.

that's actually relevant... that's got 0 to do with music

that actually explains everything.
he's pissed that the music he favors is no longer popular.

i get it now.

i can actually relate to that, seeing as i preferred r&b to hip hop.
but you can't really expect it to go back.

i made my peace with that a long time ago.
the music i like still exists, but it will never be popular the way it was.

even if stevie and prince's vault got released tomorrow
nothing will connect with a mass audience the way it did
when we were in that era.

like he recorded it with usb mic direct to protools from cd and mastered from mp3

but i figured people liked that nowadays.

Contemporary acts like Robert gals per have to mix in hip hop r&b and everything else just to stir up enough interest to generat some concert money just to survive

If it was a viable thriving art, this fool could have gotten actual musicians in the studio, but he didn't he got samples...why? That's all that's out there




does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

You do know that the now classic Miles Davis albums with the Shorter-Hancock-Williams line-up in the mid-late 60's initially sold in the range of 25-30 000 copies. That at a time when records were still selling; Coltrane did similar numbers with the exception of "A love supreme". Furthermore, it took "Kind of blue" decades to go platinum; a certification numerous rock/R&B/Hip-Hop/whatever albums have reached within days. And those were the biggest "real" jazz-acts.

Not saying that jazz isn't on life support but using "interest" as some sort of measurement of its relevance/status is a bit off; it's *been* on life-support for 50 years with some exceptions like fusion, it's not really relevant per se.



>Contemporary acts like Robert gals per have to mix in hip hop
>r&b and everything else just to stir up enough interest to
>generat some concert money just to survive

Just like fusion 40+ years ago then... Nothing new there...

>
>If it was a viable thriving art, this fool could have gotten
>actual musicians in the studio, but he didn't he got
>samples...why? That's all that's out there
>

Please...

Just yesterday I heard songs back to back from Lomdon, New Zealand, and Switzerland. Not to mention artists like Glasper, Jose James, Nicholas Payton, Gregory Porter, Dianne Reaves, Herbia da GAWD, etc etc

in HIS studio sessions.

and not at the Kaney part (him being loud and wrong is pretty much par for the course) but the people cosigning it without really having a clue

HA...

I remember talking with Statik about this years ago...

The funnier part of the story is that he listened to 60 beats and said "give me the congas from #42"

Ye... is right..

The idea that jazz samples in hip hop can get back on the radio is truly difficult... I would love for it to happen BUT..

It won't..

Why WOULD you guys want Ye to work backwards though.. He has/had Pete Rock, Preemo, NOID and 88 in the studio.. if he WANTED a Pete Rock record from 92 he could get one..

The point is to advance..

there's all sorts of different chambers of jazz to a) sample and b) freak in a different way
the concept of not using jazz samples anymore because you can't do different things than others have done in the past is bullshit

territories like that, it's not always because there's no creative wiggle room left there.

Sometimes an artist can, understandably, imo, feel like no matter how crazy you flip a jazz record, for example, people will ALWAYS say "TROY better".
It happens, whether it's warranted or not.
Even if What Goes Around was 400% better than it is (and I really like it), legacy wise? It'll never go in the same sentence as Low End Theory or Mecca & the Soul Brother. & if he repeated that feat several times over, Statik still would never join the ranks of Q-Tip or Pete Rock. We hip hop heads don't believe in that kind of post-golden era upward mobility.

Just like how any poppin, lockin pop/r&b dude, no matter how much he elevates the game, will ALWAYS be considered a MJ wannabe at best.

I'm just sayin, maybe the jazz that's dead is the culture (including the amount of critical & commercial props available to even the most exemplary practitioners), not just the music.

>territories like that, it's not always because there's no
>creative wiggle room left there.
>

not the argument I'm making


>Sometimes an artist can, understandably, imo, feel like no
>matter how crazy you flip a jazz record, for example, people
>will ALWAYS say "TROY better".

if you're doing it so people can you flipped something better than someone else, you're doing it for the wrong reasons


>It happens, whether it's warranted or not.
>Even if What Goes Around was 400% better than it is (and I
>really like it), legacy wise? It'll never go in the same
>sentence as Low End Theory or Mecca & the Soul Brother. & if
>he repeated that feat several times over, Statik still would
>never join the ranks of Q-Tip or Pete Rock. We hip hop heads
>don't believe in that kind of post-golden era upward
>mobility.
>

it shouldn't
that's why you do different shit
you don't have to flip jazz records like Tip and Pete, bring your own shit to it


>Just like how any poppin, lockin pop/r&b dude, no matter how
>much he elevates the game, will ALWAYS be considered a MJ
>wannabe at best.
>

mostly because all of them bite Mike's moves instead of adding on, and less because of public sentiment
Mike added shit to the James Brown method, but nobody has come along and added to Mike's shit because they're content just taking his shit


>I'm just sayin, maybe the jazz that's dead is the culture
>(including the amount of critical & commercial props available
>to even the most exemplary practitioners), not just the
>music.

when the court of public opinion has moved on, the culture will still be here
anybody that lives and dies by mass recognition is doomed to not have much of a career anyhow

This is Kanye we are talking about..

he has MORE than a career at this point...

He chose not to fuck with jazz samples cuz he was forward looking..

To him Jazz sounds best flipped by the folks he grew up on..

Think again about the people around him.. Pete, Tip, Sa Ra, Preemo, NOID, 88.. you dont think there are enough forward thinking cats?

It just isn't the sound of the future..

>It just isn't the sound of the future..

or perhaps, he only sees the ways it's already been utilized and he's not visionary enough to see how it could potentially be contemporized and incorporated into today's music.

ye follows trends and takes credit for them - he doesn't actually create them.

if you make a statement like that based on your own narrow view of what things really are, it doesn't make it any more right because a lot of people know who you are

So.. a nigga cant say what he wants/believes in HIS OWN STUDIO for HIS OWN ALBUM on HIS OWN DIME?

There were 2 ppl in a studio and he made a statement

In his world at that time and in his music.. and contemporary music in general that shit is true..

Too bad you industry niggas are wired to think that way after finding some level of success, that's how you keep slaves on the plantation

Of course its hyperbolic...

But how much hyperbolic shit is said in a backyard bbq??

Is your beef that he's cutting himself off from creativity? Or not listening to whats happening thats new in jazz?

That he could make it relevant but chooses not to?

I mean imo there is an interesting Jazz undercurrent in alot of Chance's stuff.. most of his band are super talented jazz band kids...

Pharrell would be nowhere w/o Major 7ths

What Terrace and Kendrick do also infuses jazz into the NOW

BUT..

All this stuff happened AFTER that statement.. I mean MBDTF came out in 2010. This statement is a whole college career old

>Of course its hyperbolic...
>

oh so NOW it's hyperbolic?
forget the fact that you've spent the entire post arguing the opposite?
gotcha


>But how much hyperbolic shit is said in a backyard bbq??
>

I don't exactly use nigger activities as a gauge for worthy conversation about accurate statements, so that doesn't really help your point any


>Is your beef that he's cutting himself off from creativity?
>Or not listening to whats happening thats new in jazz?
>

there IS no beef, I just said he's wrong about the subject whether he knows it or not


>That he could make it relevant but chooses not to?
>
>I mean imo there is an interesting Jazz undercurrent in alot
>of Chance's stuff.. most of his band are super talented jazz
>band kids...
>
>Pharrell would be nowhere w/o Major 7ths
>
>What Terrace and Kendrick do also infuses jazz into the NOW
>
>BUT..
>
>All this stuff happened AFTER that statement.. I mean MBDTF
>came out in 2010. This statement is a whole college career
>old
>
>

still incorrect, no matter how you dice it up

>In...contemporary
>music in general that shit is true..

two jazz albums dropped yesterday that are better than anything you are responsible for in your whole career

http://gifsoup.com/view/762260/reh-dogg-why-must-i-cry.html

>The funnier part of the story is that he listened to 60 beats
>and said "give me the congas from #42"

damn what an "artiste".

As a producer he really uses sounds to trigger and fit ideas that he already has and I can fuck with that..

I've given their team pro tools sessions just because they liked the way I flipped/effected an 808..

>As a producer he really uses sounds to trigger and fit ideas
>that he already has and I can fuck with that..
>
>I've given their team pro tools sessions just because they
>liked the way I flipped/effected an 808..

lol, did they pay you?
what does one charge selling a mixed 808 kick to a millionaire pop-star?

He didnt use it...

But if he did im sure it woulda amounted to something..

Like I've said in previous convos.. they OVER credit in his camp..

Che really is ON IT in terms of giving credit. That's why there are so many names.

as the marketing campaign for your album (as exhibited by that article).

>as the marketing campaign for your album (as exhibited by
>that article).

first thing i thought. really that's the story of how you came to make the album.

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Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." © Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

It is sad that I don't have the time that I used to for checking out and looking for new music.

Plus all that jazz orchestral sound doesn't even fit some of the artists.

SMH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sb2KEf2f9A

And Terrace has a lot of Jazz influenced songs that are great...I just wish he had other artists on the songs.

(Joey Bada$$ and 'em)

secondly: I understand the frustration of not having anything truly "new" but I think that we've run the course. that's what happens when you make endless product and demand for that product dries up.

im no expert myself, but i think people refer more to Jazz The Myth on these boards, the myth that anyone who grew up with hip hop has bought into without really investing into jazz, the actual, yknow, music.

when i read this post i thought they meant an actual jazz album, not just sampling it. i mean, i guess that is still a cousin of jazz, but a hip hop record that samples jazz is a hip hop album, sorry guys, not a jazz album. so kanye didnt say jazz died, he said sampling jazz in hip hop died.

also, this is untrue:

“If you name the best beats of all-time, they’re all jazz beats, they’re all jazz samples"

He's not exactly the best beat maker in the world so I'd expect him to say that because he can't figure out how to do it

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Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." © Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

Yea..

Its really hard to think of a time when Jazz or Jazz samples can permeate Top 40 Radio

HOWEVER

The Saxophone as an instrument is fucking winning all over Top 40 radio and EDM tracks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUlPrRHfWAI

thanks for sharing, definitely going to check them out

glad you like it!

who have been doing stuff that is way more innovative and really just good music than kanye has recently...

'ye is more of a reality tv tabloid type dude now honestly....

I posted a topic about a young pianist (but its going wood)

people are limiting their listening experience thinking in genres.
there are countless musicians out there making fantastic music but they're not concerned with calling it jazz or whatever. someone might call it jazz and another may say it's not jazz. who cares? it's the music that is the thing, not what you think about it. just because something isn't popular doesn't mean it's not there.
smh at kanye and flylo commenting on the status of jazz. they're in the dark.

to him, jazz IS dead. He ain't making no cheese off jazz loops.

For Statik...Jazz loops makes sense as he can afford to have more artistic license.

If Kanye sampled Jazz loops for his next album he'd destroy his whole brand.

D

Do people really feel like Kanye's recent work sounds more "conservative" artistically than What Goes Around?

miss them middle school days in the late 80's.

Yea them shits are still super dope..

But one Taz bought damn near all the deadstock and embroidered Ti$A on it I was kinda done with em..

They went from 60.00 at And Still to 200+