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mista k5
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"Midterm Elections 2022"


  

          

Are you planning to vote? Voting by mail? Early voting in person? Waiting for election day?

Any interesting propositions?


Early voting begins in Texas today. Definitely planning to get out there. Maybe even today. Not much of note on my ballot, at least not much for me to debate on. Definitely hoping Beto can pull off the upset along with a new Lieutenant Governor and Attorney General.

  

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voting by mail. already sent my ballot off.
Oct 24th 2022
1
you got your wish
Nov 13th 2022
230
      51 senate seats. even better.
Dec 07th 2022
252
Anyone else getting bombarded by emails?
Oct 24th 2022
2
fuck yes and it's primarily because I donate through actblue
Oct 25th 2022
12
It's been wild on the donating front but....I feel I did the "adult" thi...
Oct 25th 2022
16
not sure why they think this is a good idea
Nov 04th 2022
26
need to take advantage of early voting since its right by the house
Oct 24th 2022
3
Voting by mail next weekend. Just doing a little more research
Oct 24th 2022
4
Voting early in person
Oct 24th 2022
5
GA started last week.
Oct 24th 2022
6
RE: Midterm Elections 2022
Oct 24th 2022
7
still researching local stuff. house is gonna be a bloodbath
Oct 25th 2022
8
Seems like dems would have won 52ish if the election was last month
Oct 25th 2022
9
isn’t it always.. lol
Oct 25th 2022
10
exactly correct
Oct 25th 2022
15
Voted yesterday
Oct 25th 2022
11
Signed up to be a poll worker, but I'm only an alternate
Oct 25th 2022
13
That's cool that you signed up
Oct 25th 2022
14
They need to match my voter record to my Comcast account.
Oct 25th 2022
17
Saw some Fetterman vs Oz debate clips. Why did Fetterman agree to debate...
Oct 26th 2022
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Yeah it just gave them fuel
Nov 03rd 2022
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Seems like everyone is predicting doom for the Dems
Nov 02nd 2022
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bloodbath
Nov 02nd 2022
20
Hold on to the house.
Nov 02nd 2022
21
A blue tsunami
Nov 02nd 2022
22
No idea because you can’t trust white suburban white women
Nov 03rd 2022
23
about that Beto upset hope
Nov 03rd 2022
25
Beto making a good living on democrat's hope lol
Nov 04th 2022
27
      no one ever told him he's not obama
Nov 04th 2022
28
      What ?
Nov 04th 2022
30
Hard to believe we're so close to the end of democracy.
Nov 04th 2022
29
the right has been serving up gift after gift
Nov 04th 2022
45
      ^^ all facts
Nov 06th 2022
53
      I say this with all sincerity, do you live in a blue state?
Nov 06th 2022
60
There are way too many MAGA Republicans forecasted to win seats
Nov 04th 2022
31
What ? Which part of the electorate are you talking about
Nov 04th 2022
32
The cake is baked for MAGA Republicans and those who vote Red
Nov 04th 2022
35
You have the audacity to talk about a moral compass?
Nov 04th 2022
33
you're still crying over this?
Nov 04th 2022
34
You: the white dude who supported a white supremacist for president
Nov 04th 2022
37
Lots of non sensical hate in your heart for someone you don’t know
Nov 04th 2022
38
      See, you chose the "meet me in parking lot" gambit
Nov 04th 2022
40
           I guess I'm old school like that, but I know some people like anonymity
Nov 06th 2022
46
                now it's "debate me, coward" whataboutism and
Nov 06th 2022
54
                     I'll take that as a 'no'
Nov 06th 2022
56
you held campaign events for her but didnt vote for her?
Nov 04th 2022
42
      A moral compass calibrated like that will lead you right off a cliff
Nov 06th 2022
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      If you want to be brand new and act like the Tulsi you see today
Nov 06th 2022
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           most people here knew she was a phony back then tho.
Nov 06th 2022
59
                Her congressional record is what it is
Nov 06th 2022
63
                     cmon i said its documented that you said she was your chosen candidate.
Nov 06th 2022
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                          Yea it's no secret I was high on her after 2016
Nov 06th 2022
73
Sees it ^
Nov 04th 2022
44
Just to further illustrate how loud, dumb & wrong you continue to be:
Nov 06th 2022
50
      Life hack: Try reading the actual article instead of just the headline
Nov 06th 2022
55
           Since Joey doesn't know how to read between the lines and contextualize
Nov 06th 2022
57
Based on what? Gen Z ain’t responding to those stupid polls
Nov 04th 2022
36
hope you’re right, but there’s a lot of young ppl at MAGA rallies
Nov 04th 2022
39
the biggest problem is people think dems have gone 'too far left'.
Nov 04th 2022
41
damn you actually sound a lot like 2022 Tulsi
Nov 06th 2022
52
      fam im not saying i believe those things.
Nov 06th 2022
58
      btw you spent the early primary saying bernie wasnt your 1st choice!
Nov 06th 2022
66
           btw you said Malika on NBA today was a good show
Nov 06th 2022
74
                that was the *2nd* primary state and the 1 you voted in tho.
Nov 06th 2022
78
Pramila does a great job reigning in the crazies
Nov 04th 2022
43
      You got hate for Cori Bush now, too? lol
Nov 06th 2022
51
           Cori Bush damn near votes like a republican.
Nov 06th 2022
61
           Well her last name is Bush.
Nov 06th 2022
64
           they wanna be the freedom caucus of the left so bad.
Nov 06th 2022
67
           Expressing Cuban Solidarity, huh?
Nov 06th 2022
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           it was actually supporting cubans protesting against the regime
Nov 06th 2022
70
           RE: Expressing Cuban Solidarity, huh?
Nov 06th 2022
76
                Oh, I understand the intent of the bill
Nov 06th 2022
77
           What ? Voting in line with Biden’s position 92.9 percent of the time
Nov 06th 2022
69
           kyrsten sinema voted with bidens position 94.5 percent of the time.
Nov 06th 2022
71
                Yeah and Manchin voted 89.1
Nov 06th 2022
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                lol I love how often you defend Sinema
Nov 06th 2022
75
                     you guys stay making up political terms
Nov 07th 2022
81
           Populists .. doing populist things
Nov 07th 2022
80
           I was giving credit where credit is due
Nov 07th 2022
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                Yet you can't even articulate what you're referring to here
Nov 09th 2022
160
Damnnnn
Nov 06th 2022
49
Early voting could be the highest in 40 years.
Nov 06th 2022
62
I appreciate what you doing here!!!
Nov 08th 2022
83
      I thought I would be working the polls today, but I'm only an alternate
Nov 08th 2022
88
           perfect day to binge a new show
Nov 08th 2022
89
                I got wayyy behind on game of thrones lol
Nov 08th 2022
90
                     The thing is, if its bad news I rather have hints of it before I go to b...
Nov 08th 2022
91
gotta say im not optimistic
Nov 08th 2022
82
same here
Nov 08th 2022
84
Neither am I
Nov 08th 2022
85
Blue didn't appear anywhere on my ballot !!!!
Nov 08th 2022
86
Ba dum tss.
Nov 08th 2022
87
definitely not the midterm election that repubs (and media) predicted.
Nov 09th 2022
92
"Hopefully this time
Nov 09th 2022
95
dude needs to do some serious self-reflection.
Nov 09th 2022
97
happy about that
Nov 09th 2022
135
btw remember 'dems helping extreme repubs in primaries could backfire'?
Nov 09th 2022
93
even wacky ass lauren boebert is about to get upset.
Nov 09th 2022
94
Fetterman seems in good shape
Nov 09th 2022
96
fetty wap really surprised me.
Nov 09th 2022
98
Remember when you trashed "Bernie surrogate Fetterman"
Nov 09th 2022
158
Very happy about Fetterman
Nov 09th 2022
120
I think that Tim Ryan lost is probably the biggest surprise for me
Nov 09th 2022
129
the trump vs desantis war is about to be CRAZY.
Nov 09th 2022
99
I hope it looks like the end of Reservoir Dogs
Nov 09th 2022
100
      hell yeah. i like the sound of all of this.
Nov 09th 2022
101
if repubs cant win a decisively on inflation, crime, and immigration
Nov 09th 2022
102
look how many 'likely republican' seats are getting flipped.
Nov 09th 2022
103
damn even the dem gov in wisconsin had an early call tonight.
Nov 09th 2022
104
sheesh even wisconsin senate race is close as hell.
Nov 09th 2022
105
      maybe the justice Dems learned something?
Nov 09th 2022
132
republicans highlight of the night was winning guam lol.
Nov 09th 2022
106
republican operative coping on fox news lol.
Nov 09th 2022
107
Beto did worse than I thought
Nov 09th 2022
108
What do you think he should have done differently?
Nov 09th 2022
134
be someone else?
Nov 09th 2022
171
seemed like it was trending this way
Nov 09th 2022
138
      same here fam, it's getting depressing
Nov 09th 2022
142
      RE: seemed like it was trending this way
Nov 09th 2022
168
I’m shocked and happy at the same time.
Nov 09th 2022
109
this old goofy bastard joe biden is a political marvel fam.
Nov 09th 2022
110
Dude is a goofy calm ice cream eating winner. Ha
Nov 09th 2022
111
Meh, this is a reflection on trump and the GOP
Nov 09th 2022
112
Finally, folks
Nov 09th 2022
113
absolutely. Continue to reach the median voter
Nov 09th 2022
114
100%
Nov 09th 2022
175
Covid REALLY shook up the world/history
Nov 09th 2022
116
Seeing lines wrapped around the block at universities
Nov 09th 2022
124
Around the time the Supreme Court nuked abortion rights
Nov 09th 2022
127
I don't think those women were tampered down lol.
Nov 09th 2022
133
he has done fuckin' amazing.
Nov 09th 2022
144
Good morning!
Nov 09th 2022
115
Republicans about to gerrymander EVERYTHING
Nov 09th 2022
117
FOR SURE. Dems in charge better get ready to fight tooth and nail
Nov 09th 2022
119
the only way they can win is gerrymandering and suppression
Nov 09th 2022
122
Only get worse for them as the demographics continues to change
Nov 09th 2022
123
Let's not get cocky like we did in 2008.
Nov 09th 2022
136
      Trump isnt going anywhere.
Nov 09th 2022
152
           Hopefully.
Nov 09th 2022
156
Trump's gonna get indicted, and Republicans will ignore it.
Nov 09th 2022
118
Love seeing Oz defeated in PA.
Nov 09th 2022
121
Khaki dude MSNBC acting like dems have a chance to keep the house
Nov 09th 2022
125
Man if Lauren Boebert loses that will be enough for me!!
Nov 09th 2022
131
yup.. at least one annoying crazy is gone
Nov 09th 2022
137
She lost
Nov 09th 2022
151
She's disgusting. The door can't hit her soon enough.
Nov 09th 2022
155
      Hopefully she drowns her sorrows in way too many pills and a bottle
Nov 09th 2022
194
i was trying to think who khaki dude is then it hit me lol
Nov 09th 2022
139
It's still unlikely, but possible.
Nov 09th 2022
140
don't see how that happens. Dems are underperforming in NY
Nov 09th 2022
146
All the people in this thread (and their editors) need to be out of jobs...
Nov 09th 2022
126
The polls were wrong (as usual)
Nov 09th 2022
128
Well yea but the point of all the examples in that thread was ...
Nov 09th 2022
130
its all about the ratings and click bait
Nov 09th 2022
143
The generic polls never mean anything, though.
Nov 09th 2022
141
      This could be because I only watch ABC for the most part
Nov 09th 2022
166
bad polls may have done the world a favor
Nov 09th 2022
176
      Maybe. But doesn't it usually play out the opposite way ?
Nov 09th 2022
177
      yea maybe. maybe the whole 'democracy is on the ballot'
Nov 09th 2022
182
           Yea I think abortion had a lot to do with it too.
Nov 09th 2022
183
                yeah for sure
Nov 09th 2022
184
      dems vote harder when they are scared and angry.
Nov 09th 2022
191
House & Senate still hang in the balance
Nov 09th 2022
145
Can will kill the noise about black men not acting right in elections?!!...
Nov 09th 2022
147
good luck with that.. we will always be to blame
Nov 09th 2022
149
Mary Peltola is projected to win!
Nov 09th 2022
148
Wisconsin just called for Johnson
Nov 09th 2022
150
Man it would be great if Manchin isn't the tie breaker anymore.
Nov 09th 2022
153
as problematic as Manchin is
Nov 09th 2022
157
How????
Nov 09th 2022
161
      lol it's cheap!
Nov 09th 2022
167
           Ah I thought you were saying you lived in WV
Nov 09th 2022
178
                its cheap if you have a good job
Nov 09th 2022
185
Yea that may be the ideal:
Nov 09th 2022
159
would definitely love it if Dems kept both houses
Nov 09th 2022
154
      RE: would definitely love it if Dems kept both houses
Nov 09th 2022
163
      sounds like thos NY races (gerrymandered iirc) are gonna lean GOP.
Nov 09th 2022
164
If Republicans win the house there's a GOOD chance of a debt default
Nov 09th 2022
162
I wish this read like more of an exaggeration lol
Nov 09th 2022
170
Turned on Fox news for a minute just to see what they were ranting about
Nov 09th 2022
165
I’m supposed to be excited about nothing happening for 2 more years
Nov 09th 2022
169
This is a huge win for Dems…and I’m highly
Nov 09th 2022
172
What did they win?
Nov 09th 2022
186
      If the GOP does in fact take the House (which seems inevitable)
Nov 09th 2022
187
           They're really out here taking a victory lap
Nov 11th 2022
215
                Yes. Per usual.
Nov 11th 2022
218
                     Thanks for the enlightenment
Nov 11th 2022
222
                          lol same.
Nov 11th 2022
223
Man I think GOP can show their ass for 2 years in the lower house
Nov 09th 2022
173
How set is this Boebert L ?
Nov 09th 2022
174
Haha I've been thinking the same thing all day.
Nov 09th 2022
179
NYTimes has it leaning to Boebert. But I don't know how updated it is.
Nov 09th 2022
180
Right now Frisch is winning by 62 votes. 62!!!!
Nov 09th 2022
193
      Holdthadoor, holdthadoor
Nov 10th 2022
204
           on twitter, so take it fwiw, they were saying the remaining votes...
Nov 10th 2022
206
                Boebert has taken a 400 vote lead
Nov 10th 2022
209
                     here's a thread.
Nov 10th 2022
210
Warnock/Herschel Walker headed to a runoff. Warnock should blow him away
Nov 09th 2022
181
republicans cut the run up time in half to suppress votes.
Nov 09th 2022
188
we have the dumbest voters on earth.
Nov 09th 2022
189
biden is an asshole and i love it.
Nov 09th 2022
190
btw the media slammed biden for his attacks on 'maga republicans'.
Nov 09th 2022
192
reminded me of his vp debate with Paul Ryan
Nov 09th 2022
196
      That was the best.
Nov 10th 2022
202
trump on desantis and the florida race.
Nov 09th 2022
195
He's down bad.
Nov 10th 2022
203
fam i will see yall niggas in about 2 years lol.
Nov 09th 2022
197
btw one last dagger in the back of tulsi gabbard.
Nov 09th 2022
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Lol you'll be back before then
Nov 09th 2022
199
if things went superbad i was just gonna give up on the country.
Nov 13th 2022
233
I expect to see you back here for the Georgia runoff
Nov 10th 2022
201
      fair enough lol.
Nov 13th 2022
232
Ooh, Steve Chabot got beat!
Nov 09th 2022
200
Florida went pretty much as I expected, but not Ohio.
Nov 10th 2022
205
Florida still confuses me
Nov 10th 2022
212
      *A lot* of Republicans moved to Florida during the pandemic
Nov 10th 2022
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           I wondered how they won so convincingly in Florida
Nov 11th 2022
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It Looks Like Dems Hold Nevada
Nov 10th 2022
207
If Cortez Masto pulls it out, Walker is likely cooked
Nov 10th 2022
208
I didn't vote....
Nov 10th 2022
211
LOL, now word is Kevin McCarthy doesn't have the votes to become speaker...
Nov 10th 2022
213
I hope Trump(ism) tears apart the Republican party.
Nov 11th 2022
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      Yep.
Nov 11th 2022
219
      It's foolish to be saying this *again*, but...
Nov 11th 2022
221
So Trump rigged the FL governor's race in 2018, per his own admission?
Nov 11th 2022
220
AOC calls for NY Dems Chair to resign after House flip debacle
Nov 11th 2022
224
Yeah Heads should roll for New York
Nov 11th 2022
225
didn’t this dude claim AOC was nowhere to be found
Nov 11th 2022
226
yup that's him.
Nov 13th 2022
231
Fuck Maloney. Bye bitch!
Nov 11th 2022
227
CNN is SO fuckin annoying
Nov 11th 2022
228
CNN Officially Projects: Dems Keep The Senate!!!!
Nov 12th 2022
229
kari lakes political career is already over lol.
Nov 13th 2022
234
she straight said, if you voted for McCain get out
Nov 13th 2022
235
its crazy how these folk can vote for Obama or be a fan of his
Nov 14th 2022
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      not even just according her friends.
Nov 14th 2022
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      i know a couple of those
Nov 14th 2022
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its officially called. katie hobbs is the next governor of az.
Nov 14th 2022
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      Safe to call Az a blue state now
Nov 15th 2022
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           I did a lot of phonebanking and advocacy in AZ in 2020 and this year.
Nov 15th 2022
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           NO, it's a purple state that happens to have voted blue this time
Nov 15th 2022
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the werecoon has been defeated in georgia.
Dec 06th 2022
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a truly historic midterm election for dems:
Dec 06th 2022
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Dec 06th 2022
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Dec 06th 2022
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Trump is HIGHKEY a gift for Democrats
Dec 06th 2022
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its a catch 22 for them.
Dec 06th 2022
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      i hope he peels off and tries to make another party…
Dec 06th 2022
249
           from your mouth to Gods ears.
Dec 06th 2022
250
mcconnell: walker is completely electable and we’re fully behind him.
Dec 06th 2022
251
they can't even decide on speaker lmao
Jan 03rd 2023
253
somehow we never get a 'repubs in disarray' narrative from the media.
Jan 03rd 2023
254
      they're really trying to get Gym Jordan in there? lol
Jan 03rd 2023
256
the lead vote for speaker in the repub majority house is a dem lol.
Jan 03rd 2023
255
Somebody needs to blast the Benny Hill theme at McCarthy's next presser.
Jan 03rd 2023
257

Reeq
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1. "voting by mail. already sent my ballot off."
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my best (realistic) hope is a dem 50/50 senate hold so biden can still nominate judges and make appointments to the federal gov.

and hopefully repub election denier gov and sos candidates in several swing states can be stopped.

  

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230. "you got your wish"
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252. "51 senate seats. even better."
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dems get full committee control in the senate. no holdups on judges and other nominations.

they better flood that bench.

and im hoping for a certain type of occurrence on the supreme court but i dont wanna type it out loud lol.

  

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mista k5
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2. "Anyone else getting bombarded by emails?"
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Getting some from Tim Ryan and Mark Kelly. Tim Ryan's subject lines have been so clickbaity I had to stop them. What's weird is that I get notifications for every email they sent but I don't get any for the emails I actually care about.

  

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12. "fuck yes and it's primarily because I donate through actblue"
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The biggest drawback to donating by far, and because I continually donate to so many different campaigns, I keep having to unsubscribe. It's really something they need to look into, because I shouldn't have to unsubscribe to the same organization 4 times in two months.

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16. "It's been wild on the donating front but....I feel I did the "adult" thi..."
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and DONATED this election cycle.

People keep saying how historic this Mid-terms is, so....they said they wanted donations...and I donated.

  

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I get it, they want to keep it fresh in your head but it only ever seems to just annoy people.

  

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3. "need to take advantage of early voting since its right by the house"
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No idea what to expect but if Oz, Walker and Lake all win it lets mw know this country is fucking doomed.

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4. "Voting by mail next weekend. Just doing a little more research"
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I live in the Bay Area, so most of the elections with statewide or national implications pass me by. I couldn't name Gavin Newsom's appointment if you held a gun to me my head, and I wasn't aware that Padilla was on the ballot until last week. Again, I couldn't tell you Padilla opponent if my life depended on it.

Most of the political ads I see are the statewide propositions. The ones that get air time look dumb. There's two that about legalized gambling under the guise of giving more money to Indian Reservations and the homeless. In reality, just about all the money goes to DraftKings are similar sites/apps. I'm also bombarded with the "Save dialyasis centers!" propostion, AGAIN. From what I understand, it's a lot of alarmism and smoke.

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5. "Voting early in person "
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Democrats across the board.

  

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6. "GA started last week."
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I went on Tuesday, before work. There was no wait.

took my daughter. she's 18 now, so this was her first time voting. one of the check-in ladies asked if this was her first time. She said yes. they lady yelled it out for everyone one to hear. they all clapped/cheered. felt good like a burfday at chilli's, lol.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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7. "RE: Midterm Elections 2022"
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>Are you planning to vote? Voting by mail? Early voting in
>person? Waiting for election day?
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>Any interesting propositions?
>
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>Early voting begins in Texas today. Definitely planning to get
>out there. Maybe even today. Not much of note on my ballot, at
>least not much for me to debate on. Definitely hoping Beto can
>pull off the upset along with a new Lieutenant Governor and
>Attorney General.
>

Early. In person. Hoping for there to be no tomfoolery.

  

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8. "still researching local stuff. house is gonna be a bloodbath "
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hope the Ds can, hold the senate because if not... welp lol.

  

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9. "Seems like dems would have won 52ish if the election was last month "
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Republicans seem to have momentum heading to election day. Although this could just a phenomenon designed by the media to drive ratings for their horse races

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10. "isn’t it always.. lol"
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Dems got this in the bag..

oh wait, the closer we get to the election the closer it gets

not sure why anyone uses polling anymore. Its flawed.

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15. "exactly correct"
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elections are super bowls for news orgs. they maximize profits when races are "nail biters"

  

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11. "Voted yesterday"
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I was thinking of postponing because the polling place by the house has a lot of construction leading into it. I was thinking maybe go somewhere else another day but in the end I decided to just sit through the traffic and get it done.

They made a change where unopposed state/local races are already elected so you don't have to select them. That cut the ballot in half so it was real quick.

  

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13. "Signed up to be a poll worker, but I'm only an alternate "
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During the class I took, it was kind of mind-blowing to see (what I consider) voter suppressing rules in effect. Additionally the city I live in is almost 70% black, but the people training to be poll workers were probably 70% white and the majority were older than 50.

As far as voting, my state only has three days of reason free early voting, so I'll vote on the Saturday before election day.

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14. "That's cool that you signed up"
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I had signed up for 2020 but I think I didn't get called. They texted me like a week ago to see if I was still interested but I didn't think I'd have time to do it this year. Gotta remember to plan for it next time.

3 days only is rough but I think when you have two weeks you're likely to put it off until the last couple of days as well. Either way it definitely beats voting on election day.

  

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17. "They need to match my voter record to my Comcast account."
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I wish voting meant I didn’t have to see the ads anymore. Even the Herschel jokes aren’t funny anymore.

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18. "Saw some Fetterman vs Oz debate clips. Why did Fetterman agree to debate..."
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That was rough given the main attack on him is his physical competence. Dude should have stayed low key.

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24. "Yeah it just gave them fuel"
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on one hand it didn't sound quite as bad as i expected once i finally saw them, but just the fracking question alone, it wasn't pretty.

even if he did ok for most of the debate, most people only ever watch clips,

  

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19. "Seems like everyone is predicting doom for the Dems"
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I'm hoping there are some surprises but hard to stay positive.

Any predictions?

  

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20. "bloodbath"
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>
>Any predictions?


best case, D's hold the senate

  

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21. "Hold on to the house."
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Gain one in the Senate.

Fuck pessimism. I'm claiming good tidings.

Polls are bad, but recent polls have all been done by Republican controlled agencies.

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22. "A blue tsunami"
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https://www.michaelmoore.com/p/midterm-tsunami-truth-34

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23. "No idea because you can’t trust white suburban white women"
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25. "about that Beto upset hope "
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https://twitter.com/njhochman/status/1588179424721051648?t=G6k0XDkrTCGlMUKJPZ2Oog&s=19

>Definitely hoping Beto can
>pull off the upset

  

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27. "Beto making a good living on democrat's hope lol"
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At no point was he ever even a slight contender in any of his races. But over-optimistic dems keep throwing money at him with the hope that this time Texas will turn blue. It's not going to happen anytime in the immediate future.


But he's gonna run again for the next seat and take more people's money

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28. "no one ever told him he's not obama"
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this goofy video is something obama could have pulled off easily, but with beto its pure cringe.

he's doing his best to keep texas red

  

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30. "What ?"
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Losing by 2.6 percent is not a slight contender ?

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29. "Hard to believe we're so close to the end of democracy."
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Matter of days.

So many people to blame.

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45. "the right has been serving up gift after gift"
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And Dems don't know what to do because their priorities are: their donors, norms, respectability, and their old ass leaders. Think about what the right has done just in the last few years.

Elected a wannabe dictator reality star b-list cartoon villain. Said b-list villain drives the economy off the cliff due to completely ignoring a global pandemic not seen in a century.

Plus gave tax cuts to the wealthy and tried to gut Obamacare.

Tried to overthrow an election.

A stolen activist court overturned Roe v Wade...which is terrible enough but will lead to more terrible decisions.

Ran people like Hershell fucking Walker and Dr Oz for Christs sake.

Defended (lack of) gun laws that lead to literal dead kids.


on and on. And that's off the rip.


And Democrats can't fight that?? They don't have a message that wins against all that (and more that I've spaced)??

Think about it for a second. Democrats can't even put together a PRO DEMOCRACY message that wins. Just completely out of touch incompetent grifters. Choose your adventure.

Shiiit.


Democrats fucked up by pulling punches since Jan 6th- but especially lately. Once they get power, the party of norms etc just fucks up again and again and again.

Biden out here talking about deficit reduction. Motherfucking deficit reduction.


You literally can't make this shit up. If this was a movie about a fictional fascist takeover, the opposition party would not be believable because its too weak. Too helpless.

This election should not be close. Biggest uphill battle for Dems is inflation...but they fucked that up too by downplaying it for months and months rather than saying what it is- COVID (which they now pretend is over to please their donors) and corporate greed across the board (which would upset their donors)...not just oil.

Donors. Norms. Respectability. Fantasies of the 80's and 90's. Leaders who have been around since the 80's.

The democratic party fails as a party for regular people because of over-paid consultants, ego of ancient leaders (from RBG to Pelosi), and they can't serve the working class while serving their donors.

But hey...maybe Nancy can rip up a Desantis speech in the near future?


Yeah the GOP is evil. The media is trash. Nothing new there.


the "good guys" though? bwahahaha

  

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53. "^^ all facts"
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60. "I say this with all sincerity, do you live in a blue state?"
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You really coming off like you've never lived in fly over country.

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31. "There are way too many MAGA Republicans forecasted to win seats"
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Let's hope that doesn't happen. But if it does, hopefully this time there will be some self-reflection from Democrats to understand why they've become so unpalatable to wide swaths of the electorate.

Despite Biden having a relatively successful half-term presidency, Dems are once again struggling to resonate and have no energy on the ground - for a myriad of reasons - and appear to be decisively losing the culture wars (abortion, voting rights, districting, immigration etc).

There's also a lack of moral compass at times within Democratic ranks on what their principles actually are on the big issues. This was typified recently by the issuing (and subsequent withdrawal) of a letter by the CPC to Biden urging a diplomatic resolution of the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

Hoping that it's not a Red Wedding mid-term, but kinda looks that way right now.
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32. "What ? Which part of the electorate are you talking about "
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the ones who do not vote at all ?

I know you are not talking about the ones voting for any Republican.

Dem's are horrible but what could anybody say to people voting for

Republicans that would make them vote for Dem's

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35. "The cake is baked for MAGA Republicans and those who vote Red"
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until they're dead. But there's a huge segment of the electorate (undeclared, non-voters, independents etc.) that require you to proactively earn their vote and speak the language of real world concerns that affect them. The Democratic party should absolutely be able to speak populism in a way that attracts many of those non-partisan voters - so why haven't they?

And I thought it was clear we're operating with the common understanding that the GOP is trash - but it's also a party that is inexplicably growing and defeating Dems in places where they shouldn't IMO.

But if you think that Dems are doing everything they can do to win, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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33. "You have the audacity to talk about a moral compass?"
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While the woman you championed to be President of the United States of America quit the democratic party and is campaigning for anti-vaxxers and white supremacists Don Bolduc and Kari Lake when she's not filling in for Tucker Carlson and pushing Great Replacement theory.

It's a miracle you can even spell "moral compass" because you certainly don't know what one is and don't have one.

And you aren't slick slipping in Russian appeasement talking points every time you mention Ukraine.



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34. "you're still crying over this? "
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>While the woman you championed to be President of the United
>States of America

I didn't even vote for her in the primary lol. TF are you talking about? You've got a strange, warped mind full of fiction.

>And you aren't slick slipping in Russian appeasement talking
>points every time you mention Ukraine.

Everybody's a Russian asset who disagrees with you. Hadn't you heard?


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37. "You: the white dude who supported a white supremacist for president"
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Me: the black dude who you attacked when he called that shit out in the first place and the black dude bringing that shit up every single time you try to pretend you have some expertise, understanding or moral superiority you obviously don't possess.

You: You still crying about this?!

The reason I still bring up the same shit is because you're the same piece of shit using the same boilerplate bullshit defenses you always do:
-"you mad!"/"you crying"
-"you're crazy and making shit up!"

then it's
-"debate me, bro"
-"meet me in a parking lot"

finally it's back to some form of minimizing

Your past and present behavior is germane to the discussion because you came in here talking about "what the democrats should do and would do if they actually had a moral compass" when you personally don't have one and have a history of ardent support for people who don't have one either.

And no, you're not a Russian asset you're just a dumb person who thinks they are a smart person and a contrarian to boot.

It gives you a sense of intellectual and moral superiority and the appearance of a personality. You think you possess some special knowledge and are blessed with unrivaled powers of discernment. But it doesn't and you're not. You've never met a specious source or "alternative viewpoint" you wouldn't eat up. You misinterpret information, misrepresent facts, and when pressed move goal posts or outright lie.

You're just Joe Rogan if he came up doing Phat Tuesdays instead of The Store.

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38. "Lots of non sensical hate in your heart for someone you don’t know "
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If you’re big enough to discuss in person - I’m happy to do it given how passionate your grievance is. Otherwise, I’m not taking rando weirdo shots at people on the internet who I know nothing about. But vent away if you must hide behind your keyboard and throw sophomoric shots. You’ve mastered that art.

  

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40. "See, you chose the "meet me in parking lot" gambit"
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just like I said you would. You can't help yourself.

You tried to act from a position of moral superiority and pretend to be bigger than it all but ultimately you can't help but to want to get down in the muck with me and "discuss this in person."

You'd rather "discuss this in person" than admit that you got bamboozled by a bigot got called out on it and attacked the person/people who tried to tell you right here on the internet. Then, when you get reminded of your own behavior you lash out. A good person would just admit they fucked up. It happens. We all make mistakes. But that's not what you did and that's not what you're doing. No, you're trying to have a "discussion in person."

Here's the thing, I'm not the problem, Vex. You are. I didn't get hoodwinked by a racist POS broad and fall hook line and sinker for her bullshit. You did that. I didn't attack black people who tried to told you what the deal was. You did that. I didn't minimize my actions and come up with "her Human Rights Watch record!" and "I didn't even vote for her in the primary!" You did that.

Have you even stopped to ask yourself why?

Instead of an in-person "discussion" with me, you should probably have a long sit down with yourself to figure out: Why you play fast and loose with facts. Why you misconstrue. Why you'll readily believe anything that confirms your biases. Why you've got such an affinity for bigots and bullshitters. Why are other people are always the problem? What makes you so quick to want to "discuss this in person" when that false sense of superiority is challenged.

Until you know the answers to those questions, an in-person "discussion" with me will not be particularly fruitful.

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46. "I guess I'm old school like that, but I know some people like anonymity "
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But it's not some parking lot stuff - just an invitation to discuss it. We could even host a debate if you're up for it. I've got several media connects that would love to facilitate it -- or you could pick the medium of your choice.

But of course, I fully expect you to hide behind your screen name.

Here's the thing you don't understand: I meet politicians all the time because of the activism I've engaged in. I introduce many of them at various events - and yes - I introduced Tulsi and advocated for her in 2019. Why? Because she ran on a great platform (at the time). Would I advocate for her in 2022? Absolutely not.

But if you've got hate for anyone who ever said something nice about Tulsi - then you'd have to dismiss the entire brass of the Democratic Party who heaped praise on her for *years* including Obama (who campaigned for her when she ran for Congress). So why aren't you going scorched earth on all of them?

But let's be clear: I'll put my history of fighting racism, fighting MAGA, fighting Trump, and upholding progressive principles over yours *any* day of the week. I'm actually on the ground doing real things, while you're crying on a message board over spilled milk and projecting your angst towards others onto fictional characters you create in your mind on a message board.

But the invitation still stands. We can hop on a zoom any time and hash it out in honest debate. You're seem super invested in this so I'd assume you're welcome that.


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54. "now it's "debate me, coward" whataboutism and "
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Miss me with the Vex Shapiro act.

You're not old school. You don't have a fucking code. You're just a rube.

If running down your rèsumè you feel better then bully for you. I really don't give a shit. You come on the internet, here and elsewhere, propogate misinfo/disinfo at the same time supporting and aligning yourself with purveyors of disinformation. I don't care who you meet with or work with or for. You're a liability not an asset and if you acted out there like you act online everyone else would know that too. My guess is they don't know or you don't really run with who you say you do.

Since you're so deep in the struggle and you've got such a track record you shouldn't be worried about my ungrateful black ass anyway. You're white ass is out there doing "the real work." That would speak for it self and would if you were actually "old school" like that. But here you are trying to justify yourself to me and ultimately yourself.

There's literally nothing you could say other than "I fucked up." That's what you'd do or would have done if you were really "old school like that" or actually had a some semblance of a code other than "I'm always right so I can't possibly be wrong."

But we both know you're incapable of that. It's just not how you're built so now we're at the back "Vex runs down his bonafides" part of the program again.

The woman you literally campaigned for in New Hampshire is a fascist and you want to talk about your history of fighting fascism? Your Tulsi pieces were originally published on an anti-vax website pushing the same bullshit disinformation pushed by the right wing anti-vax community yet you're supposedly tip of the spear in the fight against fascism? You push appeasement propaganda on behalf of an actual fascist but you've got a long history of fighting fascism? Yet somehow you're boots on the ground in the fight against fucking fascism?

It's sus to me but I guess my black ass just isn't "old school like that"


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56. "I'll take that as a 'no'"
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"Navajo Joe" prefers to throw rocks and hide his hand.

On-brand.

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42. "you held campaign events for her but didnt vote for her?"
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how did that work?

we saw the stump speeches, online podcast appearances, and editorial articles from you pushing tulsi gabbard.

new hampshire was only the 2nd state in the primary and gabbard was still running at that point. you bailed on her before then while still stanning hard for her on the board way past that?

iono fam. sounds kinda shaky.


edit: you gotta admit this is kinda funny/ironic in hindsight.

https://medium.com/@davidmatthew_66567/tulsi-gabbard-a-different-kind-of-politician-and-human-being-4b5aff75a33c
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The people of New Hampshire can spot a phony from 1,000 miles away — and they can also identify authenticity when they see it — and that’s what thousands of people from New Hampshire experienced when they met with Tulsi Gabbard this past weekend.
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47. "A moral compass calibrated like that will lead you right off a cliff "
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A decent human being would fundamentally reassess their whole shit after being that wrong not just keep plowing ahead being loud, wrong, and racist while acting like they have some keen fucking insights to share.

A not-so-decent human being would try to "discuss this in person" for being called out for WHOLEHEARTEDLY supporting a racist, homophobic bigot, trying to hide their hand after the fact, and now trying to "oh you mad?!" their way through it.

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48. "If you want to be brand new and act like the Tulsi you see today"
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is the same Tulsi from 2019, then have fun. But that's like saying the Liz Warren in her 40's (when she was a Goldwater girl) is the same Warren who is now a Senator.

So let's deal in the realm of facts:

I introduced her at a couple of events (as I've introduced many politicians) including Bernie, Ilhan Omar, Warren, Williamson, and a host of others in recent years. Why did I introduce Tulsi? Because she ran on this platform when she ran for President:

"Criminal justice reform must include strategies for dismantling the systemic racism that causes black men to disproportionately receive harsher sentences compared to other races and ethnicities for the same types of crime," Gabbard said in February 2019.

She's co-sponsored legislation to reduce mass incarceration and lower recidivism.

Gabbard has introduced legislation to decriminalize marijuana at the federal level.

Gabbard has been critical of President Donald Trump's immigration policies and supported the "Keep Families Together Act" in defiance of the Trump administration's "zero tolerance" policy at the border.

Gabbard supports comprehensive immigration reform and the Obama-era "Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals" (DACA) program, which protects from deportation young undocumented people who came to the US as children.

"The Trump administration's use of children as pawns in the immigration debate is despicable and must end immediately. We obviously need comprehensive immigration reform.," Gabbard said in June 2018.

Gabbard supports Sen. Bernie Sanders' Medicare for All plan, which would provide universal healthcare to Americans via Medicare.

"All Americans should have access to affordable healthcare through Medicare or a public option," Gabbard's website says."We must ensure universal healthcare and empower the government to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies to bring down the price of prescription drugs."

"We don't have a health care system, we have a sick care system," Gabbard said during the July Democratic debate in Detroit.

Gabbard wants to see the US move away from the use of fossil fuels.
In 2015, she introduced the "OFF Fuels for a Better Future Act," which would transition the US away from fossil fuel sources of energy to clean energy sources. The bill calls for 80% of electricity sold to be generated from clean energy resources by 2027 and 100% by 2035.
The bill also calls for ending subsidies to the fossil fuel industry while banning fracking.

Gabbard has supported Sen. Bernie Sanders' legislation to eliminate undergraduate tuition at colleges and universities.

She wants to eliminate tuition and fees at four-year public colleges and universities for families that make up to $125,000 a year, and make community college tuition fee-free for everyone.

Gabbard has been a vocal critic of Trump in his ongoing support for Saudi Arabia, particularly following the brutal killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

Gabbard also believes it was a mistake for Trump to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal, but supports his dialogue with North Korea on denuclearization.

The Hawaii lawmaker has criticized Trump's trade war with China, and his economic policies more generally: "Trump's basic misunderstanding of how trade works is starting to show up in devastating impacts to working Americans. We need a win-win global strategy based on cooperation, not confrontation."

Gabbard wants to see taxes increased for the wealthiest cohort of Americans and has criticized policies that give corporations tax breaks.

In February, Gabbard tweeted, "Amazon reported a $129 million tax REBATE on $11.2 billion in profit last year, making their tax rate -1%. Meanwhile, working Americans are seeing their tax refunds drying up. We need an economy that works for all people. Not just Jeff Bezos."

Gabbard slammed Trump's tax reform bill, describing it as a "failure" that resulted in "tax giveaways to corporations" while "adding $1.5 trillion to the national debt and not translating to relief for working Americans or benefiting small business."

Gabbard has consistently called for campaign finance reform.
"Politicians must represent and listen to the people who elected them to serve — not whatever lobbyist writes them the biggest check. It's long past due for campaign finance reform in our country. PAC $$ has no place in politics and has no place in my people-powered campaign," Gabbard said in a tweet in January.

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I'd happily introduce anyone running on that platform again - and I have no issues with my advocacy of the platform she ran on in 2019.

She's a different person today and a politician I obviously don't support, but if you want to act disingenuous and act like any time somebody advocated for Tulsi (including Obama by the way) in the past is somehow forever tarred by that association, have at it fam. But the irony couldn't be richer when the Dem flag wavers here advocate for conservative democrats non-stop.

edit: and no, I didn't vote for her. I voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2020 Democratic primary.


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59. "most people here knew she was a phony back then tho."
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we explicitly told you that she was a wolf in sheeps clothing co-opting progressive messaging.

i know you can remember me constantly telling you she was a fake progressive.


anyway...you just listed everything you loved about her platform that made her a suitable candidate for your support at the time.

you loved her platform so much that...you went and voted for someone else?

i mean...its documented on the internet. *you* said tulsi was *your* chosen candidate. now youre saying she just ran on a great platform that you just listed and overwhelmingly agreed with...but you voted for someone else?

im sure you can see the confusion here.

  

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63. "Her congressional record is what it is"
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You can't just go revisionist and ignore her voting record/policy platform.

And show me where it's "documented" that I voted for her? C'mon fam, I'm probably one of the most vocal Sanders supporters on this board, and you think it's wild that I would vote for him in the primary despite liking other candidates? lol

I do remember putting Tulsi in a hypothetical Dem administration cabinet (along with dozens of other names). Cardinal sin? You tell me.

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65. "cmon i said its documented that you said she was your chosen candidate."
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you just deleted your medium article that i linked earlier but a copy still lives on the net.

https://www.fosters.com/story/opinion/columns/2019/02/18/another-view-gabbard-is-different-kind-of-politician/5938299007
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While many are calculating and assessing the field, hesitant to endorse any candidate at this stage, I know an exceptional leader with the ability to heal this planet when I see and feel one. Her name is Tulsi Gabbard and I am proud to stand with her.
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you literally stepped forward and publicly *endorsed* her...unlike the many others who were 'hesitant to endorse any candidate at this stage' (your words).

fam why are we still playing this game? lol.

just say you fucked up. this is some kyrie shit lol.

  

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73. "Yea it's no secret I was high on her after 2016"
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when she was the first to call out the DNC rigging of the 2016 primary (as Vice-Char of the DNC) - a fact Warren later acknowledged; Brazile wrote a book about it. Then she ran on the exceptional platform cited above.

But I still voted for Bernie Sanders - mainly because it was a tight race there in the primary between Bernie and Pete Buttigieg (who was outright promoted by the state dem party chairman) with Pete fresh off the Iowa caucus debacle. Bernie won a slim victory in a highly contested race:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-primary-elections/new-hampshire-results

Had Warren been vying vs. your boy Pete, I would've voted for her too.


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44. "Sees it ^ "
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>And you aren't slick slipping in Russian appeasement talking
>points every time you mention Ukraine.
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50. "Just to further illustrate how loud, dumb & wrong you continue to be:"
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>And you aren't slick slipping in Russian appeasement talking
>points every time you mention Ukraine.

Literally a day after you typed this McCarthyism nonsense merely for calling for a diplomatic solution to the war, the Biden Administration did this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/05/ukraine-russia-peace-negotiations/

But I won't hold my breath waiting for you to call Biden a Russian appeaser in bad faith.


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55. "Life hack: Try reading the actual article instead of just the headline"
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That one's free. Next one will cost you.

Also, what happened to you pretending you were above "sophomoric shots"? You really don't know what to do or whether you're coming or going lol.

Since I'm being generous, I'm swiping the text of the article here so everyone else can read it too. If you read the article and think that the article is some "gotcha" your issue isn't with me but with whoever taught you to read. If you can't see how this is different than what the CPC did then maybe politics isn't for you. No wonder you fall for anything.

I'm going back to my Sunday. I'm not giving someone that lacks basic reading comprehension any more of my free time today.

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U.S. privately asks Ukraine to show it’s open to negotiate with Russia

The encouragement is aimed not at pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table, but ensuring it maintains a moral high ground in the eyes of its international backers

By Missy Ryan, John Hudson and Paul Sonne
November 5, 2022 at 6:29 p.m. EDT

The Biden administration is privately encouraging Ukraine’s leaders to signal an openness to negotiate with Russia and drop their public refusal to engage in peace talks unless President Vladimir Putin is removed from power, according to people familiar with the discussions.

The request by American officials is not aimed at pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table, these people said. Rather, they called it a calculated attempt to ensure the government in Kyiv maintains the support of other nations facing constituencies wary of fueling a war for many years to come.

The discussions illustrate how complex the Biden administration’s position on Ukraine has become, as U.S. officials publicly vow to support Kyiv with massive sums of aid “for as long as it takes” while hoping for a resolution to the conflict that over the past eight months has taken a punishing toll on the world economy and triggered fears of nuclear war.

While U.S. officials share their Ukrainian counterparts’ assessment that Putin, for now, isn’t serious about negotiations, they acknowledge that President Volodymyr Zelensky’s ban on talks with him has generated concern in parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America, where the war’s disruptive effects on the availability and cost of food and fuel are felt most sharply.

“Ukraine fatigue is a real thing for some of our partners,” said one U.S. official who, like others interviewed for this report, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive conversations between Washington and Kyiv.

Serhiy Nikiforov, a spokesman for Zelensky, did not respond to a request for comment.

In the United States, polls show eroding support among Republicans for continuing to finance Ukraine’s military at current levels, suggesting the White House may face resistance following Tuesday’s midterm elections as it seeks to continue a security assistance program that has delivered Ukraine the largest such annual sum since the end of the Cold War.

In a trip to Kyiv on Friday, White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan said the United States supported a just and lasting peace for Ukraine and said U.S. support would continue regardless of domestic politics. “We fully intend to ensure that the resources are there as necessary and that we’ll get votes from both sides of the aisle to make that happen,” he said during a briefing.

Eagerness for a potential resolution to the war has intensified as Ukrainian forces recapture occupied territory, pushing closer to areas prized by Putin. Those begin with Crimea, which Russia illegally annexed in 2014, and include cities along the Azov Sea that now provide him a “land bridge” to the Ukrainian peninsula. Zelensky has vowed to fight for every inch of Ukrainian territory.

Veteran diplomat Alexander Vershbow, who served as U.S. ambassador to Russia and deputy secretary general of NATO, said the United States could not afford to be completely “agnostic” about how and when the war is concluded, given the U.S. interest in ensuring European security and deterring further Kremlin aggression beyond Russia’s borders.

“If the conditions become more propitious for negotiations, I don’t think the administration is going to be passive,” Vershbow said. “But it is ultimately the Ukrainians doing the fighting, so we’ve got to be careful not to second-guess them.”

While Zelensky laid out proposals for a negotiated peace in the weeks following Putin’s Feb. 24 invasion, including Ukrainian neutrality and a return of areas occupied by Russia since that date, Ukrainian officials have hardened their stance in recent months.

In late September, following Putin’s annexation of four additional Ukrainian regions in the east and in the south, Zelensky issued a decree declaring it “impossible” to negotiate with the Russian leader. “We will negotiate with the new president,” he said in a video address.

That shift has been fueled by systematic atrocities in areas under Russian control, including rape and torture, along with regular airstrikes on Kyiv and other cities, and the Kremlin’s annexation decree.

Ukrainians have responded with outrage when foreigners have suggested they yield areas of their country as part of a peace deal, as they did last month when billionaire Elon Musk, who has helped supply Ukraine’s military with satellite communication devices, announced a proposal on Twitter that could allow Russia to cement its control of parts of Ukraine via referendum and give the Kremlin Crimea.

In recent weeks Ukrainian criticism of proposed concessions has grown more pointed, as officials decry “useful idiots” in the West whom they’ve accused of serving Kremlin interests.

“If Russia wins, we will get a period of chaos: flowering of tyranny, wars, genocides, nuclear races,” presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak said Friday. “Any ‘concessions’ to Putin today — a deal with the Devil. You won’t like its price.”

Ukrainian officials point out that a 2015 peace deal in the country’s eastern Donbas region — where Moscow backed a separatist campaign — only provided Russia time before Putin launched his full-scale invasion this year. They question why any new peace deal would be different, arguing that the only way Russia will be prevented from returning for further attacks is vanquishing its military on the battlefield.

Russia, facing a poor position on the battlefield, has proposed negotiations but in the past has proved unwilling to accept much other than Ukrainian capitulation.

“Cynically, Russia and its Western supporters are holding out an olive branch. Please do not be fooled: An aggressor cannot be a peacemaker,” Andriy Yermak, head of the Ukrainian presidential administration, wrote in a recent op-ed published by The Washington Post.

Ukrainian officials also question how they can conduct negotiations with Russian leaders who fundamentally believe in Moscow’s right to hegemony over Kyiv.

Putin has continued to undermine the notion of a sovereign and independent Ukraine, including in remarks last month when he once again asserted that Russians and Ukrainians were one people, and argued that Russia could be “the only real and serious guarantor of Ukraine’s statehood, sovereignty and territorial integrity.”

While Western officials also hold profound skepticism of Russia’s aims, they have chafed at Ukraine’s harsh public rebukes as Kyiv remains entirely dependent on Western assistance. Swiping at donors and ruling out talks could hurt Kyiv in the long run, officials say.

The maximalist remarks on both sides have increased global fears of a years-long conflict spanning the life of Russia’s 70-year-old leader, whose grip on power has only tightened in recent years. Already the war has deepened global economic woes, helping to send energy prices soaring for European consumers and causing a surge in commodity prices that worsened hunger in nations including Somalia, Yemen and Afghanistan.

In the United States, rising inflation partially linked to the war has stiffened head winds for President Biden and his party ahead of the Nov. 8 midterms and raised new questions about the future of U.S. security assistance, which has amounted to $18.2 billion since the war began. According to a poll published Nov. 3 by the Wall Street Journal, 48 percent of Republicans said the United States was doing “too much” to support Ukraine, up from 6 percent in March.

Progressives within the Democratic Party are calling for diplomacy to avoid a protracted war, releasing but later retracting a letter calling on Biden to redouble efforts to seek “a realistic framework” for a halt to the fighting.

Speaking in Kyiv, Sullivan said the war could end easily. “Russia chose to start it,” he said. “Russia could choose to end it by ceasing its attack on Ukraine, ceasing its occupation of Ukraine, and that’s precisely what it should do from our perspective.”

The concerns about a longer conflict are particularly salient in nations that were already hesitant to throw their weight behind the U.S.-led coalition in support of Ukraine, either because of ties with Moscow or reluctance to fall in line behind Washington.

South Africa abstained from a recent U.N. vote that condemned Russia’s annexation decrees, saying the world must instead focus on facilitating a cease-fire and political resolution. Brazil’s new president-elect, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, has said Zelensky is as responsible for the war as Putin.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who has tried to maintain good relations with Moscow and Kyiv, offered assistance on peace talks in a call with Zelensky last month. He was spurned by the Ukrainian leader.

Zelensky told him Ukraine would not conduct any negotiations with Putin but said Ukraine was “committed to peaceful settlement through dialogue,” according to a statement released by Zelensky’s office. The statement noted that Russia had deliberately undermined efforts at dialogue.

Despite Ukrainian leaders’ refusal to talk to Putin and their vow to fight to retake all of Ukraine, U.S. officials say they believe that Zelensky would probably endorse negotiations and eventually accept concessions, as he suggested he would early in the war. They believe that Kyiv is attempting to lock in as many military gains as it can before winter sets in, when there might be a window for diplomacy.

Zelensky faces the challenge of appealing both to a domestic constituency that has suffered immensely at the hands of Russian invaders and a foreign audience providing his forces with the weapons they need to fight. To motivate Ukrainians domestically, Zelensky has promoted victory rather than settlement and become a symbol of defiance that has motivated Ukrainian forces on the battlefield.

While members of the Group of Seven industrialized bloc of nations seemingly threw their weight behind a Ukrainian vision of victory last month, endorsing a plan for a “just peace” including potential Russian reparation payments and security guarantees for Ukraine, some of those same countries see a potential turning point if Ukrainian forces approach Crimea.

Reports of a Russian withdrawal from the southern city of Kherson have raised the question of whether Ukrainian forces could eventually march on the strategic peninsula, which U.S. and NATO officials believe Putin views differently than other areas of Ukraine under Russian control, and what a likely all-out fight for Crimea would mean for Kyiv’s backers in the West.

Not only has Crimea been under direct Russian control for longer than areas seized since February, but it has long been the site of a Russian naval base and is home to many retired Russian military personnel.

Illustrating Russia’s elevation of Crimea, the Kremlin responded to an explosion last month on a bridge linking the region to mainland Russia — a symbol of Moscow’s grip of the peninsula — by launching a barrage of missiles on Ukrainian cities, including Kyiv, ending a long period of peace in the capital.

In the meantime, Ukrainian leaders continue to telegraph their intention to pursue total victory, not only to their beleaguered citizens but also to Moscow.

Zelensky told an interviewer on Wednesday that the first thing he would do after Ukraine prevails in the war would be to visit a recaptured Crimea. “I really want to see the sea,” he said.

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57. "Since Joey doesn't know how to read between the lines and contextualize"
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I do it for you.

You referred to a call for a diplomatic solution to the war as "Russian appeasement" -- yet the calls for just that are growing (with intensity among our NATO allies) and even more resoundingly among the broader world - particularly the Global South.

And now we know that even the Biden Administration is "privately" calling for Ukraine to step away from its hard-line stance of being closed off to negotiation:

"While U.S. officials share their Ukrainian counterparts’ assessment that Putin, for now, isn’t serious about negotiations, they acknowledge that President Volodymyr Zelensky’s ban on talks with him has generated concern in parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America, where the war’s disruptive effects on the availability and cost of food and fuel are felt most sharply."

Only in a warped mind is it controversial to call for open negotiation and diplomacy when nuclear war is on the table. Or, as Ro Khanna put it:

"It is only in the Washington Beltway that diplomacy is somehow considered a scarlet letter"

Only in the Washington Beltway, and in Navajo Joe's relentless ranting.

More quotes from the article you provided, but apparently didn't read:

"Eagerness for a potential resolution to the war has intensified as Ukrainian forces recapture occupied territory, pushing closer to areas prized by Putin. Those begin with Crimea, which Russia illegally annexed in 2014, and include cities along the Azov Sea that now provide him a “land bridge” to the Ukrainian peninsula. Zelensky has vowed to fight for every inch of Ukrainian territory.

Veteran diplomat Alexander Vershbow, who served as U.S. ambassador to Russia and deputy secretary general of NATO, said the United States could not afford to be completely “agnostic” about how and when the war is concluded, given the U.S. interest in ensuring European security and deterring further Kremlin aggression beyond Russia’s borders."

Imagine actually being able to hold multiple ideas in your head at the same time, Joe. That being: Putin is an authoritarian and the war is primarily on him. But that doesn't mean you throw away negotiation and diplomacy when nuclear war is on the table.

The CPC was warranted in drafting the letter calling for diplomacy, as most of our allies closest to the region are urging. Good for Biden for making a small but significant step in laying the groundwork for an end-ramp to the war.

Bad on you for being bereft of nuance.
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36. "Based on what? Gen Z ain’t responding to those stupid polls"
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Once these Boomers die off, the Republican Party will never win anything ever again and they know it. That’s why they’re absolutely losing their minds and cheating. Desperate.

  

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39. "hope you’re right, but there’s a lot of young ppl at MAGA rallies "
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>Once these Boomers die off, the Republican Party will never
>win anything ever again and they know it. That’s why
>they’re absolutely losing their minds and cheating.
>Desperate.

I used to feel the same way - and still do to an extent, although the unresolved elements of the ideology that appeal to conservative/right wing voters seems to not be ending with the Boomer line. There are many young 20 and 30 year old MAGAs who are deep into this - and they have considerable reach. There’s even 25 year old protégés of MTG who will likely win Congressional seats next week.

I feel like it’s somewhat wishful thinking to think that the GOP rot ends with the Boomer generation.
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41. "the biggest problem is people think dems have gone 'too far left'."
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its constantly in all the exit polls.

dems slide with latinos, men, white voters without a college degree, boomers, etc. is because of this.

defund the police, abolish ice, socialism, open borders, etc have been the most effective weapons for repubs against the dem party. thats why they keep using it.







  

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52. "damn you actually sound a lot like 2022 Tulsi"
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>dems slide with latinos, men, white voters without a college
>degree, boomers, etc. is because of this.
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>defund the police, abolish ice, socialism, open borders, etc
>have been the most effective weapons for repubs against the
>dem party. thats why they keep using it.

Giving credence to positions that Dems don't even hold (like abolish ICE or defund the police). No elected Dems even hold these views in any notable way.

Dems just cowardly be allowing the GOP to dictate the argument.

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58. "fam im not saying i believe those things."
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im saying those have been the most successful attacks peeling voters away from democrats.

  

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66. "btw you spent the early primary saying bernie wasnt your 1st choice!"
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we addressed it here:
https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13366378&mesg_id=13366378&listing_type=search#13366610

you were still playing coy about your support of gabbard (before someone posted the articles, podcasts, speech videos, etc).

and you said bernie wasnt your 1st choice. and that was in a post literally about the nh primary that you voted in!

but *now* you wanna say you didnt vote for gabbard and you voted for bernie even after your were campaigning and stanning hard for gabbard and said bernie wasnt your 1st choice?

why keep up the charade fam?


sidenote but lol @ this analysis from you:
https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13366378&mesg_id=13366378&listing_type=search#13366795

you were a mess back then and might be a bigger mess now (with all of the gaslighting in the face of overwhelming publicly available information in your own words).

  

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74. "btw you said Malika on NBA today was a good show"
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and then later you said it was grating and unwatchable!

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2748546&mesg_id=2753250#2753250

#exposed.

C'mon fam you should be beyond this level of petty by now - as if people don't change their mind throughout the course of a primary. That's what you're supposed to do in an open primary with dozens of candidates.

I know it's a hard concept for you to grasp given your hardline donkey cult religious views, but you can do better.


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78. "that was the *2nd* primary state and the 1 you voted in tho."
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you were still saying bernie wasnt your 1st choice then.

there was no shift in your rhetoric during the primary before you voted.

we were clowing you for stanning for tulsi (even before we knew you were publicly pushing her candidacy online an in-person).

if you voted for bernie then why not just say that?

exactly.

  

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43. "Pramila does a great job reigning in the crazies "
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Theres a reason she’s the head of the caucus after all and not cori bush.

While on the topic, Progressives have taken several L’s on foreign policy the last few years. They would prolly do better to focus on domestic stuff



  

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51. "You got hate for Cori Bush now, too? lol"
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Why am I not surprised at all.

And are you referring to "crazies" like Ro Khanna?

https://www.democracynow.org/2022/10/31/ro_khanna_defends_cpc_letter_ukraine

>While on the topic, Progressives have taken several L’s on
>foreign policy the last few years. They would prolly do better
>to focus on domestic stuff

This might be the funniest thing you've ever typed. Progressives "taking L's on foreign policy"? How does that happen when they are not in any way in power or in control of foreign policy?

You know who is? The corrupted bi-partisan consensus wilting to the war lobby that you champion every day. But of course - why hold anyone accountable when you can deflect and blame it on an imaginary group of people called "progressives" who hold no power whatsoever.

Makes sense.



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61. "Cori Bush damn near votes like a republican."
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https://twitter.com/Momof4Cats4/status/1561484003349348357?t=ZqT1kTbBaiM1YZbtaagKsQ&s=19

This is one of most effective infographics I've seen on the squad.

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64. "Well her last name is Bush."
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She's basically Mitt Romney!

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67. "they wanna be the freedom caucus of the left so bad."
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just vote against everything that isnt ideologically pure so they can run against the 'establishment' in their primaries.

but they dont have anywhere near the power and overall progressive caucus just dismisses them whenever they try to hold up bills.

  

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68. "Expressing Cuban Solidarity, huh?"
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Who could be against that?

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70. "it was actually supporting cubans protesting against the regime"
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late last year.

its vaguely worded to fit into the chart above but it was this bill:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-resolution/760/text#:~:text=760%20%2D%20Expressing%20solidarity%20with%20Cuban,2021%2D2022)%20%7C%20Get%20alerts

not sure what issue they had with it.

but maybe someone can post it.

  

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76. "RE: Expressing Cuban Solidarity, huh?"
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>Who could be against that?

You have to read between the lines on these bills, which are often purposefully crafted to be vague and veiled.

Every single Republican voted for this bill:

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2021355







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77. "Oh, I understand the intent of the bill"
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My neighbor's dad pushed to watch Red Dawn whenever I was over at their house. I've probably seen it thirty times. So I'm familiar with the barely whispered subtleties of US/Cuba relations.

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69. "What ? Voting in line with Biden’s position 92.9 percent of the time"
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is like voting Republican ?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/cori-bush/

Nah the #1 fan of Claire McCaskill got it wrong.

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71. "kyrsten sinema voted with bidens position 94.5 percent of the time."
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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/kyrsten-sinema/

so to put it in perspective...bush voted with her caucus less of the time than sinema.

and sinema obviously garnered a reputation for bucking her party...

  

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72. "Yeah and Manchin voted 89.1 "
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Why cherry pick 15 votes and make wild accusations about Bush and the squad.

Talking points for the right how does that help ?

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75. "lol I love how often you defend Sinema"
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you love conservative dems fam. Surprised you're not rocking with 2022 Tulsi.

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81. "you guys stay making up political terms"
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that do not exist when you log off twitter

lol

  

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80. "Populists .. doing populist things "
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79. "I was giving credit where credit is due"
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To Pramila for reigning in the fringe of the party. The fringe who has been dead wrong on Ukraine since February, and many other foreign policy blunders I don't feel like typing out for you.

(some even bought in to Tulsi Gabbard believe it or not)





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>You know who is? The corrupted bi-partisan consensus wilting
>to the war lobby that you champion every day. But of course -
>why hold anyone accountable when you can deflect and blame it
>on an imaginary group of people called "progressives" who hold
>no power whatsoever.
>



Once again you aint slick with the Russian Appeasement talking points.

You guys have been wrong and continues to be wrong on this specific issue. Imma carry on with my original point: shout to Pramila for showing leadership

  

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160. "Yet you can't even articulate what you're referring to here"
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>To Pramila for reigning in the fringe of the party. The
>fringe who has been dead wrong on Ukraine since February, and
>many other foreign policy blunders I don't feel like typing
>out for you.
>
>You guys have been wrong and continues to be wrong on this
>specific issue. Imma carry on with my original point: shout
>to Pramila for showing leadership

Who are "you guys" and the "fringe" you're referring to? And what policies exactly?

What's hilarious about this is that Ro and almost all of the members of the CPC who signed the letter have voted for every single bill to support Ukraine with aid/money/weapons and have continually called Putin the fascist he is.

Once again, you're waaaay more fixated on "progressives" than the GOP. Part of the #NeverBernie wing that paved the way for MAGA and Trump to win in 2016 in the first place. Congrats.


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49. "Damnnnn"
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Talking slick about Cori Bush, using right wing talking points and supporting a white supremacy that covered for Nazi Carlson.


with friends like this.....

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62. "Early voting could be the highest in 40 years."
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https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2022-11-04/early-vote-totals-point-toward-record-breaking-turnout-for-midterm-elections

Bodes well for the Dems. I've vowed not to get too involved in vote tallying until the very end, but good things are buzzing up.

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83. "I appreciate what you doing here!!!"
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Can't decide whether I look at all or just wait to the morning to find out.


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88. "I thought I would be working the polls today, but I'm only an alternate "
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Wasn't picked this go round unfortunately, so I don't have anything to formally occupy me since I took off from both my jobs.

I don't want to get too stressed out watching votes trickle in, especially because beyond the national threat to democracy, I personally voted for over a dozen judges locally, including 2 state supreme court judges in a very red state.

Just going to try to stay off Twitter and news sites, and not think about how very fucked we could be if things don't go well.

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89. "perfect day to binge a new show"
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or go for a day trip depending on your preference lol

i think im going to try to avoid checking until the end of the night

  

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90. "I got wayyy behind on game of thrones lol"
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Bout to buy a stupid amount of Chinese food and try to get through some episodes.

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91. "The thing is, if its bad news I rather have hints of it before I go to b..."
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then just be slapped in the face in the morning.


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82. "gotta say im not optimistic"
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really hope im wrong.

  

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84. "same here"
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hope I'm wrong but feels like the crime/inflation combo is working (no matter that the GOP is offering no solutions, ppl vote based on emotion)

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85. "Neither am I"
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I think:
House wins 20 seat majority

Senate flips to republican control:
Oz wins
Herschel Walker wins (smh)

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86. "Blue didn't appear anywhere on my ballot !!!!"
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I think democracy might already be dead.

I was told to "Vote Blue" to save democracy....but when I went to vote, it wasn't on the ballot anywhere!!

How else can I vote for my favorite color?

I took some blue crayons with me and drew some stars on my ballot....so hopefully it will be counted as a vote for blue and for stars!! Stars are my favorite shapes. I want my voice to be heard.

To be honest, yellow is my real favorite color....maybe I'll vote yellow on the next election, I have a feeling that one will be "the MOST important election of my lifetime."




  

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87. "Ba dum tss."
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92. "definitely not the midterm election that repubs (and media) predicted."
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dems have no business overperforming this much with an unpopular president in his 1st midterm with inflation this high.

  

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95. ""Hopefully this time "
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there will be some self-reflection from Democrats to understand why they've become so unpalatable to wide swaths of the electorate."

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97. "dude needs to do some serious self-reflection."
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135. "happy about that"
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93. "btw remember 'dems helping extreme repubs in primaries could backfire'?"
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dems went 6-0 in those races in the general.

those repubs underperformed the rest of their ticket.

  

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94. "even wacky ass lauren boebert is about to get upset."
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https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1590207413176922113

  

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96. "Fetterman seems in good shape"
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Florida went full Florida

JD Vance... gross

Not looking like the Red Wedding tho

  

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98. "fetty wap really surprised me."
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i thought he could win but it would be a lot tighter and he would need them real late arriving mail ballot drops to do it.

oz was such a shitty candidate.

  

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158. "Remember when you trashed "Bernie surrogate Fetterman""
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undermined him at every turn and said Lamb would be a huge problem for him in the primary?

yea me neither.

as you would say, "you need some serious self-reflection"


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120. "Very happy about Fetterman"
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Also happy/relieved Mastriano got spanked. Florida is Florida but still disappointing. Texas is Texas but still disappointing. If Warnock loses that will be pretty depressing, considering who he’s going up against.

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129. "I think that Tim Ryan lost is probably the biggest surprise for me"
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I felt like he ran a great campaign, and JD Vance is just such weak, elitist candidate. Fucking Peter Thiel. Fucking Ohio.

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99. "the trump vs desantis war is about to be CRAZY."
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desantis has pretty much been the only bright spot for repubs this evening.

meanwhile trump backed candidates are getting picked off left and right.

trump already threatening to smear desantis with unknown dirt if he runs for the nomination.
https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1590093861774274560

  

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100. "I hope it looks like the end of Reservoir Dogs"
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Let them ratfuck each other sideways and then call DeSantis up to the big leagues where he can learn he doesn't have that Trump razzle dazzle.


Plus, you got Merrick Garland lurking in the back like Michael Fucking Myers.



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101. "hell yeah. i like the sound of all of this."
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102. "if repubs cant win a decisively on inflation, crime, and immigration"
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then what else do they have?

if it wasnt for extreme gerrymandering in tx, fl, oh, wi, etc...they wouldnt even win the house.

what a fucking failure of a party.

gotdamn they really have nothing to win elections but voter suppression at this point.

and instead of learning the lesson to woo back moderate voters...theyre gonna get even more extreme with the election conspiracy theories and calls for violence (prolly against some of their own party members too).

  

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103. "look how many 'likely republican' seats are getting flipped."
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https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/1590209382364909568

it looks like they are about to lose a few out in cali too.

  

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104. "damn even the dem gov in wisconsin had an early call tonight."
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https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1590228068534296576

repubs were talking about winning the gov race and getting a supermajority in the (gerrymandered) state legislature.

  

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105. "sheesh even wisconsin senate race is close as hell."
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ron johnson is barely leading mandela barnes...and mandela barnes publicly talked on record about defunding the police (2 years ago) and was literally pictured holding an abolish ice shirt lol.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgreD2NUAAAXF0O?format=png&name=small

and repubs still struggled to put him away with an incumbent repub candidate.

had he not had that type of baggage (hes running behind the dem gov in suburban counties)...he prolly woulda pulled out the victory.

  

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132. "maybe the justice Dems learned something?"
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That super progressive shitck does not work in fly over country and it only marginally works in super blue areas.

We can be progressive and compromise because that over the top inflexibility does nothing to get anything done, and the average voter does not want it.

Everytime I see a "Defund"-esque candidate, I see nothing but a lost opportunity for somebody who will get in and really enact change. (Nina vs Shontel is a prime example in my mind but in all transparency I really really dislike Nina and really really like Shontel)

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106. "republicans highlight of the night was winning guam lol."
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https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1590055270453215234

  

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107. "republican operative coping on fox news lol."
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https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1590233789137289218

its funny...he said republicans need to model the party after republican governors who won republican states lol.

thats not gonna fix your problem bucko. you need to appeal to moderates.

also a lot of the talking points he used are from the right wing echo chamber and bs partisan polls. the same ones that had them thinking there would be a red wave. thats the problem right there.

  

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108. "Beto did worse than I thought "
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Not that I expected him to win but the discount Obama thing ain't working

  

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134. "What do you think he should have done differently?"
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I have liked Beto for a while now, so it's disappointing to see him lose multiple times in a row.

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171. "be someone else?"
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something about him rubs me wrong. he comes off try-too-hard ish.

obviously i still wanted him to win and would have voted for him if i was in texas, but Texas doesn't seem to be trending as purple as people want to believe.

  

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138. "seemed like it was trending this way"
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he only got somewhat close in a few polls. i think texas is what was making me the most optimistic and unfortunately it delivered. glad to see most of the rest of the country has some sense.

not to "im moving to canada" this but i dont know why im staying in texas anymore. might seriously explore some other states.

  

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142. "same here fam, it's getting depressing"
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>not to "im moving to canada" this but i dont know why im
>staying in texas anymore. might seriously explore some other
>states.

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168. "RE: seemed like it was trending this way"
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>he only got somewhat close in a few polls. i think texas is
>what was making me the most optimistic and unfortunately it
>delivered. glad to see most of the rest of the country has
>some sense.
>
>not to "im moving to canada" this but i dont know why im
>staying in texas anymore. might seriously explore some other
>states.

I'm very deep into the process of trying to make myself believe that Houston is different from the general idea of 'Texas'. Or at least there's some kind of 'mix' here. AKA I don't think I'm surrounded by braindead election-denying type folks everywhere I go in Houston. Maybe my neighborhood (I'm in Spring and I had a few Trump flags around me until recently). Maybe my kid's school district (they couldn't wait to go away from most restrictions. And I do know of at least one family who pulled their kids out of school ALTOGETHER for a year instead of having them go to school and wear masks). But not the whole city.

  

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109. "I’m shocked and happy at the same time."
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Democrats gained a seat in the senate and did a great job in
this election year.

Choice matters. The difference was definitely abortion in my opinion. I don’t care
if a woman is a republican, choice and power of her body matters.

Now that abortion isn’t a constitutional right anymore. That choice has to be protected
by bluing as many states as possible.

My state ,Illinois ,is always a forgone conclusion…a blue state forever

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110. "this old goofy bastard joe biden is a political marvel fam."
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i dont know what it is. dude has all the superficial markings of a shitty politician.

but...

the comeback in the primary when people had him counted out.

knocking off an incumbent president and having control of both houses of congress.

more legislative accomplishments than he had any business having with such slim majorities in congress.

and then the best midterms election result for a dem president in decades despite a shitty national environment.

nigga is a magician.

we need to go back to valuing old peoples wisdom lol.

  

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111. "Dude is a goofy calm ice cream eating winner. Ha"
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112. "Meh, this is a reflection on trump and the GOP"
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More than Biden. That party is in shambles as long as Trump is around (and their platform is owning the libs).

That being said I am convinced the right response to GOP extremism in Democratic moderation.


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113. "Finally, folks"
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>
> I am convinced the right response to GOP
>extremism in Democratic moderation.
>
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114. "absolutely. Continue to reach the median voter "
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>
>That being said I am convinced the right response to GOP
>extremism in Democratic moderation.
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175. "100%"
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116. "Covid REALLY shook up the world/history"
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>knocking off an incumbent president and having control of both
>houses of congress.
>

Trump was already the most unpopular president in however many decades, but if he could have at least acted like he halfway gave a damn about addressing an upcoming pandemic he'd be in office right now

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124. "Seeing lines wrapped around the block at universities"
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Got me emotional for real.

I’m tough on these kids but they’re civically engaged in ways we were not.

  

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127. "Around the time the Supreme Court nuked abortion rights"
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there were multiple stories about women registering to vote in droves as result.

I wonder if the anger/momentum from those newly registered women voters had some play in yesterday's elections. That could have been tampered down since that was some months ago and folks attention spans are scattered a bit by the deluge of (right or wrong) information thrown at them.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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133. "I don't think those women were tampered down lol."
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>That
>could have been tampered down since that was some months ago
>and folks attention spans are scattered a bit by the deluge of
>(right or wrong) information thrown at them.

The media may have stopped caring about abortion cuz the media is pathetic but the women didn't forget. I think you are correct that their anger played a huge part in yesterday/last nite's results.

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144. "he has done fuckin' amazing."
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I said from the primaries that I didnt want either him or Bernie to be our candidate, but he has absolutely blown every expectation I've had for him out of the water.

At this point you can't deny the talent nor the maneuvering despite both internal and external challenges.

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115. "Good morning!"
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Wow just seeing the good news here. Feels so good.

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117. "Republicans about to gerrymander EVERYTHING"
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That's now the only way they can win shit. Statewide or national elections are an L for them.

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119. "FOR SURE. Dems in charge better get ready to fight tooth and nail"
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our whole society has become more liberal, obviously (compared to the past, we are still quite conservative in some ways), so the only way "conservative ideals" can triumph is if the system is rigged in their favor.

for instance, i saw the NC Supreme Court flipped, so expect heavy gerrymandering there (though someone pointed out that they can't redraw the lines until after the 2030 census which i think is true, but they'll try to find a way to do it before 2024).

  

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122. "the only way they can win is gerrymandering and suppression"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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123. "Only get worse for them as the demographics continues to change "
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Idk what this party looks like when the boomers die out

  

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136. "Let's not get cocky like we did in 2008."
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Yes, they will exploit every crack in the system that they can, but they also finally got the dose of tough love they need to move past the leader who continues to drag them down. This is Ron DeSantis's party now. He's just as evil as Trump, but he's also a better strategist. (Or at least it seemed that way until the ill-advised flights for asylum seekers from Texas to Massachusetts -- but considering the Florida results, his voters don't seem to have punished him for that.)

Hopefully as Covid recedes into the rear-view, the myth that DeSantis supposedly handled it well will also recede. And hopefully the fight for GOP house leadership will be ugly enough, and the eventual speaker so beholden to the remaining Trumpists, that we can easily run against them in 2024.

But if Republicans are smart, they can take this as an opportunity to move on, like they moved on from Bush, and Bush, and Nixon, and Hoover. Republicans aren't usually very kind to their former presidents.

  

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152. "Trump isnt going anywhere."
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Difference between Trump and past Republican Presidents is that those guys ALLOWED the party to move on. Trump will do no such thing. He'll burn it down before he lets them try and pivot away from him. They'll eat each other, nationally.

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156. "Hopefully."
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I'm definitely looking forward to the Republican infighting that'll follow from last night's upset expectations. Things might get a lot worse for the GOP before things start to get better.

  

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118. "Trump's gonna get indicted, and Republicans will ignore it."
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(Or at least they'll try their best to ignore it.)

I'm gonna say it. This is the beginning of the end of Donald Trump. LABeathustler is finally right.

I almost worry who we'll be able to make our national case against in 2024.

But I have a feeling that the coming clusterfuck of GOP house leadership will clear that up nicely.

  

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121. "Love seeing Oz defeated in PA. "
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how the fuck you going to vote for a Jersey nigga in PA?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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125. "Khaki dude MSNBC acting like dems have a chance to keep the house"
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He was talking and moving through the map so fast it made my head spin. But I think that was his overall conclusion.

Democrats seem to be holding their own in toss up races and flipping a few predicted Republican seats.

But it's hard to follow what's really going on giving the disparities in vote counting. Someone could have a good lead but its only because mail in votes were counted or some other technicality.

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131. "Man if Lauren Boebert loses that will be enough for me!!"
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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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137. "yup.. at least one annoying crazy is gone"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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151. "She lost"
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155. "She's disgusting. The door can't hit her soon enough. "
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194. "Hopefully she drowns her sorrows in way too many pills and a bottle"
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139. "i was trying to think who khaki dude is then it hit me lol"
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i think the "talking and moving through the map so fast" line did it.

  

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140. "It's still unlikely, but possible. "
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A lot of California races will come in slowly, like they did last time. If Dems do in California like they did elsewhere, we end with a slight GOP lead in the house (which I think is actually the best scenario for Democrats, at least in terms of long-term strategy).

If Dems outperform expectations in California even better than they did elsewhere (which seems possible, especially considering abortion concerns and the generally nutty nature of California Republicans), then we hold the House, which would make the whole night even more shocking.

  

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146. "don't see how that happens. Dems are underperforming in NY"
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and losing quite a few seats there, including DCCC Chair Maloney losing (as he just conceded).

Dems could very well lose 5 seats in NY alone that they previously held.

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126. "All the people in this thread (and their editors) need to be out of jobs..."
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And tarred and feathered. And shamed daily for the rest of their fucking lives.

https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1590194447127830532?s

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128. "The polls were wrong (as usual)"
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Most recent polls had the generic poll tied or Republicans leading. Typically the dem-rep spread needs to be pretty wide for democrats to do well

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130. "Well yea but the point of all the examples in that thread was ..."
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... that these jackass pundits and their editors were writing "DOOM FOR DEMS" headlines about election-morning polls that showed dems were *ahead*.

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143. "its all about the ratings and click bait"
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141. "The generic polls never mean anything, though."
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The race by race polls by old-fashioned firms pretty much predicted this outcome, or at least put it within a single standard deviation. I don't remember the numbers, but I think the FiveThirtyEight "Light" model came down very close to this outcome. But even Nate Silver was saying polling has gotten so hard that we should nudge our interpretation based on the "fundamentals" (which we now know everyone was misinterpreting).

It was people saying "polls don't work anymore" and using their preconceptions about midterms to "unskew" them (to borrow a word from a historically bad aggregator in 2012) that said it'd be a huge red wave.

I hope what people are learning is that all polls have random sampling error, and if the poll is any good, it's equally likely to go in either direction. The fact that the polls underrepresented Republican strength in 2016 and 2020 doesn't mean that they'll underrepresent GOP strength in every race. If the pollsters are any good they'll tend to have misses in both directions and I think we can clearly list 2018 and 2022 as examples.

  

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166. "This could be because I only watch ABC for the most part"
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>I hope what people are learning is that all polls have random
>sampling error, and if the poll is any good, it's equally
>likely to go in either direction. The fact that the polls
>underrepresented Republican strength in 2016 and 2020 doesn't
>mean that they'll underrepresent GOP strength in every race.
>If the pollsters are any good they'll tend to have misses in
>both directions and I think we can clearly list 2018 and 2022
>as examples.
>

but I've routinely seen ABC post poll numbers without showing the margin of error for the polls. My memory of polls from high school and college is very hazy, but one thing I remember teachers telling me is that polls without the margin of error are useless because it's hard to know how much polls may swing in either positive or negative direction.

I'm guessing the margin of error is omitted to make ABC seems as if the poll numbers are concrete, which is terrible from a standard of presenting objective facts to the masses.

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176. "bad polls may have done the world a favor"
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complacent repub voters thinking they had it in the bag. would-be complacent dem voters knowing they need to do their part to give them a chance in hell.

  

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177. "Maybe. But doesn't it usually play out the opposite way ?"
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Or at least, doesn't it typically discourage dems from going to the polls because they're like, well, what's the point, we're gonna get smoked anyway ?

And repug boomer types always vote cuz they have nothing better to do.

That's the way I've always understood it at least.

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182. "yea maybe. maybe the whole 'democracy is on the ballot'"
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theme worked? idk

but if dems hold the line here, i'm not sure if saying the next election is the most important election ever (again) is gonna play.

i think for repubs they need trump to go away.. and he wont. lol.

  

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183. "Yea I think abortion had a lot to do with it too."
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Women were/are *pissed*. And rightfully so/thank god.

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184. "yeah for sure"
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i don't remember if it was trump but i remember someone talking about, you don't want to *actually* repeal roe v wade, because politically it's a bridge too far.

  

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191. "dems vote harder when they are scared and angry."
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confidence kills in politics.

  

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145. "House & Senate still hang in the balance"
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House is likely to flip Red, but not as dramatically as was predicted.

Senate race is fascinating to watch unfold. Looks like Georgia is headed to a runoff in December which means this deadlock likely won't be decided until another few weeks.

It was a great night for progressive candidates, which very few expected.

*Love* that the most significant flip in the Senate came in PA where a progressive (Fetterman) flipped that seat when many said there was no chance a progressive could win there.

Despite Florida turning deep Red, progressive activist Maxwell Frost won a seat becoming the first Gen Z'er to serve in Congress. Illinois’ Delia Ramirez, Texas’ Greg Casar, and Pennsylvania’s Summer Lee also won seats, adding to the young (all are under 40), diverse progressive makeup that continues to grow in the House.

DeSantis dominating Florida was notable, particularly when you look at his razor thin race with Gillum in the last race. Gillum was a gifted politician who was able to unite the left in a unique way, and Crist was a weak candidate. Also, I think you have to figure into the equation that there was an exodus of new conservative Florida residents who moved to the state over the past couple of years due to pandemic policies, and DeSantis was undoubtedly the beneficiary of that.

That said, this does feel like the GOP is now the party of DeSantis moving into 2024. Despite some MAGAs remaining alive and winning some seats, I don't see how you can look at last night as a good night for Trump; whereas it was a great night for DeSantis who has almost single-handedly turned Florida from purple to bright red.

Ironically, the issue that hurt Republicans the most (IMO) was medical freedom: abortion rights. They may have been celebrating when the evangelicals on the Court overturned Roe v. Wade, but they ain't celebrating now when droves of voters (particularly under 30 voters) showed out in the mid-terms, passionately fueled by their anger over the decision.




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147. "Can will kill the noise about black men not acting right in elections?!!..."
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https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/status/1590223487175491585


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149. "good luck with that.. we will always be to blame"
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Black men and white women.. lol

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148. "Mary Peltola is projected to win!"
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Low-key Native politicians and government workers (my favorite cabinet member Deb Haaland!!) have been having a high profile year with extremely able candidates.

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150. "Wisconsin just called for Johnson"
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Nevada looks like it'll go red, Arizona looks like it'll go Dem -- but if Dems can somehow win both Nevada & Arizona, then Georgia won't matter and Dems will hold a one-seat advantage (although we already saw that this wouldn't necessarily be a substantive advantage given Manchin & Sinema).

But it all looks like it's going to come down to a run-off in Georgia (again!) - this time between Walker & Warnock. Crazy.

As mild of a night as it's been for the GOP, you've still got hundreds of election deniers winning seats, a flipped House, and potentially even a flipped Senate. That would really stifle these next two years for Biden moving into 2024.

But let's say all that happens and the House & Senate are GOP controlled. Biden just demonstrated why it's important to get to work right away once taking office. He got a lot done in less than 2 years and deserves significant credit for staving off GOP momentum.

  

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153. "Man it would be great if Manchin isn't the tie breaker anymore. "
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I've been having a 2-year debate on another chat where I keep arguing the solution isn't voting Manchin out of office (and given his seat to a republican inevitably) but get more dem senate seats.


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157. "as problematic as Manchin is"
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People really underestimate how very red and conservative Appalachia is. I have really learned to appreciate having a Dem senator from WV even though I would obviously prefer someone more progressive.

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161. "How????"
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>Data Source: I live here ☹️☹️☹️


and WHY??? lol

  

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167. "lol it's cheap!"
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Very cheap!!

Now while I don't live in WV, my state is almost as red as it is, though I probably live in the bluest city in the state. I work a lot so I don't notice it as much as I would if I had a more reasonable schedule.

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178. "Ah I thought you were saying you lived in WV"
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I see now. It just seems like there is not one good thing people have to say about WV lol Texas has so much to hate but I think there are plenty of reasons for people to live here. Might not be good enough reasons anymore though.

  

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185. "its cheap if you have a good job"
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but if not, its a death trap.

no jobs.. no public transportation except in a few small cities. No way out.

I worked for a university in rural kentucky. My wife’s first university gig, I worked in the marketing dept. We could go Lexington, Louisville or Cincinnati and “ball out” and not even out a dent in our account.

Pretty sure our rent was like $500.. and this included utilities, lol. $50
if you paid on the first of the month.

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159. "Yea that may be the ideal:"
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>I've been having a 2-year debate on another chat where I keep
>arguing the solution isn't voting Manchin out of office (and
>given his seat to a republican inevitably) but get more dem
>senate seats.

Given the dynamics of the seat he holds, he may be the best of the worst options there - but I'd exhaust all other possibilities before coming to that conclusion if I lived in West Virginia.

That said, if environmental justice is at the top of your list of priorities (as it should be given its existential threat to us all) - then Manchin is largely indecipherable from the worst of the GOP (he's among the most corrupt Senators in the country in terms of being controlled by the Coal lobby) on that issue and single-handedly almost doomed the Dem climate plan before finally allowing a watered-down version of it pass. He holds way too much power and Dems really need at least a 2-seat majority in the Senate to neutralize Manchin & Sinema.

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154. "would definitely love it if Dems kept both houses"
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Senate is the most important at this stage right? Keep confirming judges. Would be better than keeping the House but losing the Senate right? I know that scenario isn't likely.

I think if the Dems keep the Senate Biden will still get a few more things done but they will need to give some big concessions so the House will vote for it.

  

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163. "RE: would definitely love it if Dems kept both houses"
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>Senate is the most important at this stage right?

They are both important as you need both the House and Senate to pass bills ultimately - but yes - the stakes are higher in the Senate as the upper house and the Senate is vested with power not granted to the lower House (namely the power of approving Cabinet appointments and federal judges).

>I think if the Dems keep the Senate Biden will still get a few
>more things done but they will need to give some big
>concessions so the House will vote for it.

For sure. The GOP majority in the House doesn't look like it'll be so huge that getting anything passed is unsurmountable. If the Dems retain the Senate that, I'd love to see them put pressure on the House to sign and pass economic bills aimed at providing significant relief to the working class and then never let them forget it if they sabotage those bills heading into 2024.


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164. "sounds like thos NY races (gerrymandered iirc) are gonna lean GOP."
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so the Repugs will have a SLIGHT majority.

  

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162. "If Republicans win the house there's a GOOD chance of a debt default"
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They are going to threaten to NOT raise the debt ceiling again UNLESS a long list of *insane* demands are met.

This looks a lot different than a decade ago - I think they are actually willing to plunge the world into a deep economic depress to own the libs.

This isn't a government shut down - this is a DEFAULT where our credit rating will be FOREVER worse - meaning our interest payments will be much higher.

Their solution: Ban abortions (to get more tax payers?), cut Social Security drastically and get rid of Medicare. Plus build the wall, outlaw Critical Race Theory from being taught in outer space, and have the McRib permanently back on the menu. Oh, and cut taxes for the top 5% to "provide innovation?"

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170. "I wish this read like more of an exaggeration lol"
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165. "Turned on Fox news for a minute just to see what they were ranting about"
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and heard them blame "the mainstream media" 3 times lol.

Someone should tell Fox they *are* the mainstream media. Tucker is the #1 rated show in the country and Fox dwarfs both CNN and NBC in viewership.

Kinda reminds me of when people refer to a Rogan podcast and declare "Joe is sticking it to the mainstream!" Bro, Rogan is the mainstream. He gets more views than *any* CNN show and has more audience capture than virtually all of the "Liberal" shows they're crying about.

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169. "I’m supposed to be excited about nothing happening for 2 more years "
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SMH, Dems ain’t $hit
Congrats on ‘over performing’
Maybe Rs will run a Hitler hologram in 2024 and you’ll actually win
WTF

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172. "This is a huge win for Dems…and I’m highly "
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critical of my party and doubted the shit out of them, because
of the inner clowning and bickering that has been going on.

they got their shit together on this one …sadly it took
republicans removing abortion as a right for Dems to gets
serious.

But I’m hopeful…now the focus should be on inflation and gun laws….hard
for the next two years.

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186. "What did they win?"
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Looks to me like Rs have control of Congress
So back we go to nothing getting done
Biden vetoes their bull$hit
Measures that would actually help citizens…never get brought to the floor
Congrats on the Victory

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187. "If the GOP does in fact take the House (which seems inevitable)"
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*and* wins the Senate, then it's a loss in the macro regardless of the fact that Dems outperformed expectations and mitigated seat losses in the House.

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215. "They're really out here taking a victory lap"
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I know some races are still too close to call
... but it doesn't look like the math is there...
Am I missing something?

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218. "Yes. Per usual."
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>Am I missing something?

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223. "lol same."
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173. "Man I think GOP can show their ass for 2 years in the lower house"
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and blow their chances for anything in 2024. Best case scenario but also very possible.

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174. "How set is this Boebert L ?"
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i see people on twitter dancing on her grave, but nothing official, i don't wanna celebrate this one until i know for sure.

  

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179. "Haha I've been thinking the same thing all day."
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180. "NYTimes has it leaning to Boebert. But I don't know how updated it is."
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Playing with their estimated votes remaining map, it looks like it may come down to a few hundred votes

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193. "Right now Frisch is winning by 62 votes. 62!!!!"
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This shit is going to be down to the wire.

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204. "Holdthadoor, holdthadoor"
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206. "on twitter, so take it fwiw, they were saying the remaining votes..."
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to be counted would lean towards Frisch.

  

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209. "Boebert has taken a 400 vote lead"
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They say 98% of votes have been counted. I think she squeaks by.

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210. "here's a thread."
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as always, take these w/ a grain of salt cuz the count is gonna be the count.

https://twitter.com/PoliticsVerse/status/1590775858717163520

now, if she does squeek by, i bet there's gonna be some regretful voters who assumed Frisch had no chance in that and didn't participate.

that being said, if you believe that thread (and a bunch of other stuff i'm seeing on twitter), shes in the lead because they are finishing up counting her "stronghold" but there's 3-5K more votes outstanding from places where he was winning up to 80% in already counted ballots, so it SEEMS like he'll retake and squeek by.

i guess we'll see.

  

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181. "Warnock/Herschel Walker headed to a runoff. Warnock should blow him away"
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Herschel was boosted, ironically, by Gov. Kemp being on the ticket. I don't think he can attract turnout on his own.

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188. "republicans cut the run up time in half to suppress votes."
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used to be 9 weeks between first round and runoffs.

now its only 4.

makes the timetable tighter to request/receive/send mail ballots (which more dems do). and just generally harder to organize gotv and rally people to get out again just a month later (dems rely more on ground game, phone banks, etc).

we will see how it plays out but repubs did take steps to make runoffs more favorable to them after they lost the last 2 senate runoffs (warnock and ossoff).

  

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189. "we have the dumbest voters on earth."
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nebraska voters overwhelmingly (66%) voted to raise the minimum wage to $15/hr.

they also elected a senator, house reps, state legislature, and governor who are hostile towards a wage raise and the working class in general.

its mind numbing. (white) americans continue to vote for liberal/progressive policy when its a standalone option on the ballot...but then vote to give policy making power to the political party that does everything they can to undermine that policy.

  

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190. "biden is an asshole and i love it."
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https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1590461754529959936

  

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192. "btw the media slammed biden for his attacks on 'maga republicans'."
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hes being divisive, its galvanizing the repub base, etc.

meanwhile high profile repubs in races in pa, mi, az, etc publicly came out and supported the dem over the 'maga republican' and the republican political establishment is currently throwing trump and maga under the bus right now for losing winnable races.

  

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196. "reminded me of his vp debate with Paul Ryan"
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where Joe just kept openly laughing at him when he spoke

  

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202. "That was the best."
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Paul Ryan was such a squid.

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195. "trump on desantis and the florida race."
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203. "He's down bad."
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197. "fam i will see yall niggas in about 2 years lol."
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keeping up with this political shit is stressful and i need some sort of detox (though its hard with all the crazy shit happening 24/7).

but ima tap back in with yall some time during the 2024 election season lol.

  

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198. "btw one last dagger in the back of tulsi gabbard."
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she went out and disgraced herself for a bunch of losing candidates and ended up looking even more like fool than she already did.

vex go get your girl!

  

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199. "Lol you'll be back before then"
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that said idk how you do it. I'm usually pretty checked out. I doubt I'd even be paying attention if things went as bad as predicted lol

  

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233. "if things went superbad i was just gonna give up on the country."
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like treat my solid blue state as a country itself and not go anywhere else lol.

  

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201. "I expect to see you back here for the Georgia runoff "
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You can take a 6 month vacation after we win Georgia.

  

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232. "fair enough lol."
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200. "Ooh, Steve Chabot got beat!"
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Only person in modern politics with worse hair than Donald Trump.

  

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205. "Florida went pretty much as I expected, but not Ohio."
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I knew Ohio has been trending red for a while now. But JD Vance beating Tim Ryan for that Senate seat is just off the map. And a few statewide races surprised me too.

Other than the Columbus metro area, Ohio is losing people. And the people that they're losing are the same people they need in order to stay relevant (young & educated).

As for Florida...the folks love some Desantis. And Marco Rubio will follow the GOP leadership wherever they go. There's not a more spineless legislator out there.

  

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212. "Florida still confuses me"
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it went from a toss up to one of the most solidly red states real quick.

Texas is showing its still so far away from being a toss up state wide. There should be a more balanced ratio in the state legislature but that's gerrymandering.

The right candidate and conditions could change a lot of this but that would be rare.

I wonder if there is any data showing if the older population has been drifting more towards Democrats as older generations die or if people keep getting more conservative as they get older. Feels like for the past 15 years we keep saying wait until the old folks die off but if people get more conservative as they age then welp.

  

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214. "*A lot* of Republicans moved to Florida during the pandemic"
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There was also a significant Republican migration from CA to TX during the past couple of years.

Florida in particular became a place where conservatives flocked to due to blue state pandemic policies. This was illustrated by the housing boom that took place in FL driving up prices.

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217. "I wondered how they won so convincingly in Florida"
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but that makes sense.

tons of people moved to florida during covid so it makes perfect sense they would vote for the guy who eased covid restrictions.

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207. "It Looks Like Dems Hold Nevada"
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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/it-looks-like-dems-hold-nevada

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This has seemed more plausible over the course of the day. But events this evening make it seem like Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (D) very much has the inside track to claim reelection in Nevada. Not quite a lock. But getting close. Cortez Masto is currently still behind by about 16,000 votes, though she made up significant ground today. The key is that there are likely 100,000 or more votes outstanding. Those are overwhelmingly mail votes from the two big urban counties, a bucket of votes Cortez Masto has been winning by a 2/3rds margin. If those vote totals are roughly accurate and something in the neighborhood of that percentage holds up she should cut right through Laxalt’s lead in the next few days.

It’s not a certainty but it’s getting close.

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208. "If Cortez Masto pulls it out, Walker is likely cooked"
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If she wins, then the Dems will have the majority no matter what. And I doubt Republican donors and politicians are going to waste the time and the money to get Senor Soft-Helmet into the senate when it won't make a difference. Hell, they might even be okay with Trump campaign for him.

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211. "I didn't vote...."
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but that didn't stop me from vuckin tho

  

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213. "LOL, now word is Kevin McCarthy doesn't have the votes to become speaker..."
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Trump wing thinks he's insufficiently committed to them. Moderate wing (whatever that is) thinks he'd make too many concessions to the Trump wing to win them over.

A little House GOP civil war might be brewing. Or rather, reemerging. We all remember the sequence from Boehner to (almost) McCarthy (until he gaffed by telling the truth about the Benghazi investigation), to Paul Ryan (who flatly said he wouldn't take the job until nobody else could win the vote), to even goldenboy flim-flam man Paul Ryan eventually getting hit in the ass on his way out of the Capitol.

If they can't settle on someone in time the Dems would be able to elect Nancy Pelosi as speaker even without holding the majority. That alone probably guarantees the GOP will find SOMEONE. But I'll be watching with popcorn along the way.

  

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216. "I hope Trump(ism) tears apart the Republican party."
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I hope Democrats will utilize the resulting chaos to reach majorities and solidify their base for 2024.

Then I hope they win big and subsequently have the guts to rework the US electoral system into something befitting a modern democracy.

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219. "Yep."
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>I hope Democrats will utilize the resulting chaos to reach
>majorities and solidify their base for 2024.
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>Then I hope they win big and subsequently have the guts to
>rework the US electoral system into something befitting a
>modern democracy.

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221. "It's foolish to be saying this *again*, but..."
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this might be how the "fever breaks."

Ever since 2010, the GOP has been able to hold together and keep their intraparty divisions under wraps, because they could at least all agree that the right-wing absolutism and constantly aggressive posture won them votes.

But now that we have such clear evidence to the contrary, other voices might try to reemerge. I don't hold out much hope that they revert back to Bush/McCain/Romney-style corporatism any time soon (and I certainly wouldn't say that that would make the world a much better place anyway). But yeah, the GOP might be lost in the wilderness for the next couple of years, and I agree that this is a time for the Democratic party to build.

EDIT: all that said, I had a look at the 2024 Senate map, and it's gonna be rough. This cycle was made easier for us in the Senate because the GOP had more seats up for reelection in this cycle than the Democrats, so they had more seats to lose. In 2024 the dems have A LOT more seats to defend. So even if we have a historically big presidential win (which doesn't seem all that unlikely right now), we might still lose the Senate in 2024.

  

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220. "So Trump rigged the FL governor's race in 2018, per his own admission?"
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Man, I wonder what else he rigged.

People said if the party started to turn on Trump, he wouldn't have the self control to hold back, and I wasn't sure they were right at first but now I'm like "why did I even doubt that?"

  

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224. "AOC calls for NY Dems Chair to resign after House flip debacle"
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https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1590358383919476737?s=20&t=Fb8GvnMlJWIS2mUoz2KgiQ

After DCCC Chair Maloney worked his ass off to demonize progressives and run non-stop Republican talking points, Maloney suffered an unthinkable House loss to a Republican - becoming the first sitting house campaign chair to lose a race in 30 years.

What's even worse is that Maloney's arrogance forced incumbent Dem Mondaire Jones out of his district, only to turn around and lose the seat

NY Dems lost 4 major house seats that flipped R which actually could end up being the difference in the House.

Last November, there was a ballot measure introduced that Republicans funded and fought for tooth and nail to ensure state-drawn maps favorable to Republicans. Under Jacobs, NY Dems spent *zero* money and effort to fight this ballot initiative, instead he spent money and endless effort to fight off progressive candidates.

Good for AOC for calling for accountability and calling out the broken NY Dem leadership.




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225. "Yeah Heads should roll for New York "
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226. "didn’t this dude claim AOC was nowhere to be found"
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helping with the midterms?

Is it because he was shitting on progressives?

wtf is going on in NYC?

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231. "yup that's him. "
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Funny part about that is AOC (and other progressives) offered support, but they were rebuked by Maloney and the DCCC dems - then after he loses his seat and 3 others he claims AOC was "nowhere to be found" lol.

Not all that surprising when you consider how the NY Dems establishment (and the DCCC) spent tons of money and effort to primary AOC, only to give up that effort once they acknowledged how popular she was in her district.

Maloney is also the guy who has refused to endorse/support progressive democrats in general elections against Republicans.

He's the poster boy for the #NeverBernie dems who work harder to smear/fight progressives than they do against Trump and the GOP.


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227. "Fuck Maloney. Bye bitch!"
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228. "CNN is SO fuckin annoying"
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every time they come back from commercial break, they talk like there’s new numbers in….and then….SAME DAMN NUMBERS they been saying for the past 5 hours. lol

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229. "CNN Officially Projects: Dems Keep The Senate!!!!"
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Fucking Massive L for the Republicans. Joe Beezy stay winning, despite the narrative.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-results-congress-senate-house-11-12-2022/index.html

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234. "kari lakes political career is already over lol."
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the goofballs on cnn (like david axelrod) were talking about how much of a future star and presidential prospect she was for the gop...basically because she was telegenic (former news anchor).

shes about to lose a governorship that the last (republican) governor easily won by 15 pts. and she underperformed several other repub candidates like in the senate race and several house races.

and she did it against a dem candidate who everyone pretty much knew ran a lackluster campaign (underperformed others on the dem ticket) and without much public presence (she even turned down a debate with lake).

complete flop against a weak candidate but the media was enamored with her just based off her being a former local celebrity.

  

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235. "she straight said, if you voted for McCain get out"
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and everyone cheered even though 95% of them voted for McCain whether they liked him or not

trump has all these weirdos think they copy his shtick and win.

now she can wither away in whatever slot she gets on OAN

  

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236. "its crazy how these folk can vote for Obama or be a fan of his"
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but then 4 or 8 years later do a complete 180 and people eat that shit up.

The Alaskan praised Obama and then once she was selected by McCain she was a big bad momma bear.

Lake was all liberal and shit according to her friends and then went down a rabbit hole a few years back and people eat that shit up.

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237. "not even just according her friends."
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>Lake was all liberal and shit according to her friends and
>then went down a rabbit hole a few years back and people eat
>that shit up.

her instagram feed was filled with pics of her with obama, her drag queen friends, etc.

the weirdest part isnt that she switched (i think a lot of it is political/financial opportunism)...but its that republican voters ignore her entire past documented past history and just fall in to vote for her like she was lifelong conservative on their side the whole time. meanwhile they call real lifelong conservatives rinos just because they dont blindly follow trump off every cliff.

  

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238. "i know a couple of those"
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both middle aged white women who were stone dems, obama x2 supporters

one got super anti vaxx a few years before covid and when trump mentioned some vaxx skepticism during a debate, she was on the train.

another one who moved to utah with her new boyfriend and came back as a flat earther (really).

i could see for obvious reasons the hillary supporting white women turning conservative in 08 because obama, but obama to trump is still pretty weird.

i think that crazy blonde chick who got shot on jan 6 was one of them too



  

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239. "its officially called. katie hobbs is the next governor of az."
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https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1592333505622855680

kari lake was talking big shit to the media a week ago lol:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1590070993808244741

  

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240. "Safe to call Az a blue state now "
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Dem governor
Two dem senators
Dem secy of state

Most likely AG too. Joins the ranks of Oregon, california etc

  

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241. "I did a lot of phonebanking and advocacy in AZ in 2020 and this year."
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And I remember being shocked at how many pro-dem people I spoke to in 2020, and being even more shocked this year by the outward anti-repug sentiment I heard from a lot of the people I spoke to.

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242. "NO, it's a purple state that happens to have voted blue this time"
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Winning a governor's race by less than 1% does not really give me a lot of confidence for the future results.

If Republicans moderate then they can lie to say "We're pretty much the same, but we value your money and safety just a little more than the Democrats do."

And dummies will fall for it.

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243. "the werecoon has been defeated in georgia."
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now republicans wanna get rid of runoffs entirely lol.

https://twitter.com/JustinGrayWSB/status/1600223289829249025
https://twitter.com/JustinGrayWSB/status/1600238024045969408

runoffs were initially installed during jim crow to unify white voters and suppress black ones.

then when dems started winning in ga recently...republicans changed elections laws so that the lead up from the general to the runoff was cut from 9 weeks to 4 weeks. that shortened the time for mail and early voting...two voting methods that dems prefer much more than repubs.

mind you...they also made requesting/approving mail ballots harder and cut the amount of county ballot dropboxes...most dramatically in blue urban/suburban counties.

but the dem coalition in ga (and much of the nation) is changing to include the types of voters that show up consistently in lower turnout elections (suburban, college educated, news consumers, etc). so during these past 2 runoffs (which are lower turnout than the general)...dems have actually *increased* their margins over the general regardless (testament to the dem ground operation in ga right now).

so now repubs wanna scrap runoffs and try to live with just the general elections. theyre even talking about doing shit like instant runoff/ranked choice (probably because they think they can consolidate some votes from independent/libertarian candidates).

just shameless and blatant at this point.

  

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244. "a truly historic midterm election for dems:"
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https://twitter.com/DKElections/status/1600330996724793344
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Some history-making tonight:

• First midterm since '62 that Dems netted Senate seats while holding White House

• First midterm since '34 that the WH party netted Senate seats *and* governorships

• First midterm since '34 that the WH party didn't *lose* a single Senate seat
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245. ""
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to these hip hop songs lol

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246. ""
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Its funny watching these yt folks at Warnock’s party trying to dance…

to these hip hop songs lol

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247. "Trump is HIGHKEY a gift for Democrats "
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Its hilarious that Republicans refuse to admit this.

We see through all that boo boo like it's ghost shit... (c) Quelle Chris

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248. "its a catch 22 for them. "
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trump is repellent to moderates and indies...and juices turnout among the dem base.

but he also juices turnout among conservative white voters without a college degree. which made repubs competitive in places like the rust belt. and their turnout lags without trump on the ticket.

the real problem for repubs is...their base clearly prefers extreme and polarizing culture warriors like trump...as opposed to whatever generic moderate repub they think can be more competitive in swing elections. its why trump won the primary easily and is still up on most repub primary polls even with all the baggage surrounding him. most repub voters hate the actual repub politicians (but they just get brainwashed by right wing media into thinking dems are 10x worse).

theres really no going back for the repub party and their base is becoming even more extreme and out of touch with reality.

i mean...they had historically high inflation and an unpopular president to run against and whiffed in the midterms. now theyre gonna spend the next 2 years on hunter bidens laptop and pronouns as their central strategy to win in 2024 lol.

  

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249. "i hope he peels off and tries to make another party…"
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..once GOP eventually threatens to move on from him en masse, taking a 3rd of them clowns with him and splitting their votes even more!

Would be lovely to see.

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250. "from your mouth to Gods ears."
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251. "mcconnell: walker is completely electable and we’re fully behind him."
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from april:
https://twitter.com/ammarmufasa/status/1600345716987023362

a lot of people are gonna blame trump but mitch was also instrumental in anointing walker and helping to clear the field in georgia for walker to avoid a true primary test.

its also funny how confident mitch was in getting electable candidates in battleground states.

  

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253. "they can't even decide on speaker lmao"
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254. "somehow we never get a 'repubs in disarray' narrative from the media."
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despite the fact they are 10x more chaotic and dysfunctional than any dem moderate/progressive rift will ever be.

at least dem moderates/progressives have some sort of unifying governing ideology.

repubs dont give a fuck about governing. its all culture war and grievance (and giving whatever handouts their donors want).

  

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256. "they're really trying to get Gym Jordan in there? lol"
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255. "the lead vote for speaker in the repub majority house is a dem lol."
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Flkhg8vXwAohmoT?format=jpg&name=large

its unlikely...but would be hilarious if dems could peel away 5/6 moderate repub votes and make jeffries the speaker.

  

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257. "Somebody needs to blast the Benny Hill theme at McCarthy's next presser."
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The Brits really know how to twist the knife when a political leader has become a full-on embarrassment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzsXuFwi74E

  

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