https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/us/florida-school-shooting/index.html

Armed school resource officer stayed outside as Florida shooting unfolded, sheriff says
By Chuck Johnston, Jamiel Lynch and Dakin Andone, CNN

Updated 10:57 PM ET, Thu February 22, 2018
Sheriff: 3 officers disciplined for inaction

Parkland, Florida (CNN)The armed school resource deputy at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, waited outside the school building as the shooting unfolded last week, officials said.

Scot Peterson never went in after taking a position on the west side of the building, Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said at a Thursday afternoon news conference.
Peterson resigned after he was suspended without pay by Israel pending an internal investigation into his actions during the shooting that left 17 people dead, Israel said. Peterson was eligible for retirement.
Israel made the decision to suspend Peterson -- who was armed and in uniform at the time of the shooting -- after interviewing the deputy and reviewing footage and witness statements, he said.
"What I saw was a deputy arrive at the west side of building 12, take up a position," Israel said of the video. "And he never went in."
Israel told reporters Peterson should have "ent in. Addressed the killer. Killed the killer." Instead, the deputy waited outside for about four minutes. During that time, Israel said, Peterson got on his radio and took a position where he could see the western entry of the building.

Asked how he felt watching the footage, Israel said: "Devastated. Sick to my stomach. There are no words. These families lost their children. We lost coaches. I've been to the funerals, I've been to the homes. ... I've been to the vigils. It's just -- there are no words."
CNN was attempting to reach Peterson for comment.
Peterson held several jobs, including working as a security guard and stock clerk, before he was hired as a sheriff's deputy in 1985, according to his personnel records. He also served in the military, he told the sheriff's office. Peterson, who attended Florida International University, was largely lauded for his performance on the job, including garnering two deputy of the year nominations in recent years, the personnel records show.
In 2015, Israel noted Peterson's then-30-year tenure. "Your dedication and allegiance are the best illustrations of the service provides to the people of Broward County," Israel wrote, according to the records.
Two sheriff's deputies on restricted duty
Israel said two other deputies have been placed on restricted duty while the sheriff's office investigates their actions during calls to the gunman's home before the shooting.
Since 2008, he said, the sheriff's office was involved in 23 calls involving either Nikolas Cruz or his brother. During some of the calls -- which were handled both in person and on the phone -- deputies met with Cruz's mother.
The sheriff's office identified the deputies as Edward Eason and Guntis Treijs. CNN has reached out to the deputies.
Jeff Bell, president of Broward County Sheriff's Deputies association, said he doesn't foresee any major problems with the officers' handling of the calls.
The sheriff's office released details on the 23 calls. Two calls involving the deputies are under investigation.
The first call being reviewed is from February 5, 2016. According to police records:
"Third hand information received from neighbor's son that Nikolas Cruz planned to shoot up the school on Instagram one month time delay. Unknown high school. Cruz lives in the area."
"Deputy responded. Made contact with caller who wished to remain anonymous. Determined Nikolas Cruz possessed knives and a BB gun. Information forwarded to Stoneman Douglas school Resource Officer."
Police records on the other call being looked at, from November 30, 2017, say:
"Caller advised subject Nikolas Cruz is collecting guns and knives. Cruz wants to join the Army. Concerned he will kill himself one day and believes he could be a school shooter in the making. Caller advised Cruz was no longer living at the listed Parkland address and is now living in Lake Worth, FL. Believes the weapons are kept at a friend's house at an unknown location."
"Deputy contact caller (located in Massachusetts) via telephone. No report was initiated. Post MSD incident interview: Deputy advised he referred caller to the Palm Beach Sheriff's Office."
After speaking with the internal affairs department, Israel decided to put the deputies on restricted duty while his office investigates "whether or not they could have done more, or should have done more," he said.
Security footage was on 20-minute delay during shooting
Officials also reported Thursday that surveillance footage from the school shooting was not shown live, as responding officers initially thought.
According to Coral Springs Police Chief Tony Pustizzi, the footage had been rewound, and police were watching it on a 20-minute delay, leading them to believe the gunman, Nikolas Cruz, was still in the building when he was long gone.
"The delay never put us in a situation where any kids' lives were in danger, any teachers lives were in danger," Pustizzi said at a news conference Thursday afternoon.
When officers arrived on the scene of the shooting, he said, they wanted to gain access to the security footage to learn what happened and where the perpetrator could be.
But last Wednesday the footage was rewound, Pustizzi told reporters. At some point, there was a miscommunication and officers believed they were watching real-time footage.
"The issue was more of a communications failure on who was reviewing the tape, letting our guys know that it was a 20-minute delay in what they were reviewing," Pustizzi said.

The Sun Sentinel first reported the delay in surveillance footage.
The rewound footage did not put any lives in danger, Pustizzi said, but it "did cause some confusion" when officers entered the school.
"At first the the guys are hearing, 'Oh he's on the second floor,'" Pustizzi said in the news conference. "Well it's not true. Because we have people on the second floor, and the people are saying, 'No, he's not on the second floor.'"
The Broward County School district said in a statement that its security system footage could be reviewed in both real-time or be rewound to see events that were previously recorded.
"During the immediate response to the event, the system was being viewed in real-time and the recorded footage was being viewed to retrace the actions of the shooter," the statement said, adding that the district no longer had access to the footage or the server it was stored on because investigating authorities have it.
Gunman was already at Walmart
While the rewound footage might not have increased the number of casualties, it did hamper efforts to locate the gunman.
"Somebody would say, 'He's on the second floor,' and we had guys on the second floor saying, 'We're on the second floor, we don't see him.' That's when we figured out there's a tape delay," Pustizzi told the Sun Sentinel.
According to police scanner traffic from the streaming website Broadcastify, at 2:43 p.m. on February 14, police found someone to give them access to the school's security footage.
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"I got a guy here outside the building that can get cameras," says one voice. "We're going to go inside and go get to the cameras."
By 2:54 p.m., police were watching the gunman make his way through the building, according to the dispatch audio. But the suspect had fled the building 26 minutes earlier at 2:28 p.m., according to a preliminary timeline provided by the Broward County Sheriff's Office.
By 2:50 p.m., the suspect had already bought a drink at a Subway restaurant inside a Walmart store and left on foot, four minutes before scanner traffic said the gunman was still on the second floor of the school.
Family members wait for word from students beneath an underpass just south of the campus of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.
Photos: Deadly Florida school shooting
Family members wait for word from students beneath an underpass just south of the campus of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.


At 3:02 p.m., when the Broward County timeline says Cruz briefly stopped at a nearby McDonald's, an officer says the suspect dropped a bag near a stairwell. Another officer asks if the footage is a recording.
"Yes, sir. It's about a 20-minute delay," the first officer says. "They're following him on video on the camera. They had him exiting the building, running south."
At 3:41 p.m., Cruz was identified and taken into custody.
UPDATE: This story has been updated to reflect new information from the Coral Springs Police Department.
CNN's Rosa Flores reported from Parkland, and Chuck Johnston, Holly Yan and Dakin Andone wrote and reported from Atlanta. Scott Glover reported from Los Angeles. Darran Simon and Jamiel Lynch contributed to this report.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

Just because a person is armed does not mean that person will have the courage and fortitude to engage in a gunfight, nor would it be guaranteed that engaging would not produce MORE casualties.

is the teacher / school employee that routinely carries a firearm then LEGALLY bound to defend against a heavily armed shooter, if given additional compensation for carrying, as Donald suggests?

How do you differentiate a multiple shooter scenario from a single shooter scenario if there are shots reported from multiple sources before the actual police arrive?

It just goes from bad to worse and this story illustrates how ridiculous the NRA's approach to combating random acts of violence sounds when actually put into practice

>Just because a person is armed does not mean that person will
>have the courage and fortitude to engage in a gunfight, nor
>would it be guaranteed that engaging would not produce MORE
>casualties.
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>is the teacher / school employee that routinely carries a
>firearm then LEGALLY bound to defend against a heavily armed
>shooter, if given additional compensation for carrying, as
>Donald suggests?
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>How do you differentiate a multiple shooter scenario from a
>single shooter scenario if there are shots reported from
>multiple sources before the actual police arrive?
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>It just goes from bad to worse and this story illustrates how
>ridiculous the NRA's approach to combating random acts of
>violence sounds when actually put into practice

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

"Of the 28 deadliest shootings in U.S. history before Wednesday -- from Howard Unruh's 1949 rampage in Camden, New Jersey, to Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer's killing spree at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon, in October -- only two have come at the hands of multiple shooters: the February 1983 killings at the Wah Mee gambling and social club in Seattle and the Columbine High School massacre in Littleton, Colorado, in 1999."

https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/us/san-bernardino-shootings-multiple-suspects-rare/index.html

Columbine was the one I was thinking about.

I don't know any others at the moment

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Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

but 9 times out of 10 it’s cowards on some lone wolf shit and as soon as they think authorities are closing in they either run or off themselves

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

Seems everybody is overlooking some facts

This HS had an armed SRO on site
...as did Columbine and VA Tech...

I got a couple of stats...43% & 51%...of schools currently employ an armed SRO

Just sayin'...

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I'm mad at him professionally though.
Don't take jobs you're not prepared to do the work for.
It's true for any industry and CRUCIAL for work where lives are at stake.

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I can’t front tho, I got a glock and I’m hearing an AR-15???

Anyway, I see some folks with security uniforms on and they have a gun on their hip but they don’t look like the type to run towards gunfire. You have to be built for that shit.

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>I can’t front tho, I got a glock and I’m hearing an
>AR-15???
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No room for a mistake. If you miss or you only wound the guy with an AR, all those bullets come at you.

>Anyway, I see some folks with security uniforms on and they
>have a gun on their hip but they don’t look like the type to
>run towards gunfire. You have to be built for that shit.

He probably thought that would never happen there.

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their pants in a real life scenario.

Bud dude should've done his job. Most of these mass shooters are cowards that either run or kill themselves when they know authorities are coming.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

it's a chaotic situation. He definitely didn't choose the most heroic path, but damn... If some nutso can go onto an Army base in Ft. Hood and drop 43 people (killing 13 of them), extra guards and arming the teachers won't help much. That was on a fucking army base.

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>If some nutso can go onto an
>Army base in Ft. Hood and drop 43 people (killing 13 of them),
>extra guards and arming the teachers won't help much. That
>was on a fucking army base.

>it's a chaotic situation. He definitely didn't choose the
>most heroic path, but damn... If some nutso can go onto an
>Army base in Ft. Hood and drop 43 people (killing 13 of them),
>extra guards and arming the teachers won't help much. That
>was on a fucking army base.

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There are dozens of us! Dozens!

my convoluted point isn't that everyone on the base had a gun, it's just that it's a place that has as much or more armed personnel as any school that would have armed security.

People putting all their eggs in the 'arm the school staff' or 'hire an armed guard' baskets are fucking nuts.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

The MP's and that is about it. I get what you're saying though, I just was hoping you weren't trying to say a military base should be one of the safest places to be. I spent the first 20 years of my life on them, they aren't.

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There are dozens of us! Dozens!

fucked.
the only folks arms are the police officers. There aren't many when you think about the magnitude of a serious threat to the installation.
The officers I've seen (and know) are mostly older guys, close to retirement probably, enjoying a cake job, scanning IDs to get on post and giving minor traffic tickets.

its not like people are carrying them around with them all day and definitely not in a medical facility which is probably part of the reason that target was picked.

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seems more likely he would end up shooting a random kid than getting the shooter

and I'm not clowning dude. Like MEAT said, I genuinely feel for him as a human being. He probably is all in his head and fucked up over this, right now. With that mentality, though, he probably wouldn't have done much good.

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Folks swear they would be on some hero shit.

I already told my coworkers I ain’t saving no one but myself. I’m hauling ass quick fast out the back. Might be home watching the news by the time you figure out what’s going down.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TuEWtXBT_0

background I'm always assessing my surroundings and situations and I look at a lot officers and armed security in certain places and in my mind I know if something really were to go down the majority of those folks are not about that life lol.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

And I'm not even mad at this dude. As stated above he's gotta be going THROUGH it right now. But he was an actual sheriff deputy who was assigned to the school. If actual trained law enforcement officers (not even just a security guard, actual police) are frazzled in this situation, what sense does it make to arm Mrs Jenkins the English teacher?

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for so many reasons.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

He probably saved lives by staying put.

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

but one kid has a guy shaking in his boots. There would be no fear if that kid was black.

AND

they got him ALIVE

That reality makes it too fucked up to care about one or two guys that could be easier to relate to if they weren't "x" (whatever you want to call them).

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while damn near every mass school shooting is a white kid lets be real, they aren't rushing up on any kid with an AR15.

I don't get the comparison of an unarmed Black teen to a kid with an AR15 inside a building.

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you be doing the entire most

they are deathly afraid of black men

you can't be serious

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

A whole gang of cops shot up another brothers bachelor party with one officer going as far as jumping on the hood to fire shots at people they "thought" were armed (IINM).

Now here is one kid who is armed and honestly if they could execute that dude in Arizona who had an air rifle (which they thought was fully auto how is it that a kid with a the real thing is too scary?

Where is all that bravery when it's a real threat?

It's just twisted is all and three of them flaked? I find it problematic especially with this not being America's first rodeo regarding these scenarios. They should have been more than prepared given how they act when there is little or no threat.

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Has there ever been a situation where ONE dude with no body armor, and a pistol ran into a building to take down someone with an assault rifle of ANY race.

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

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he froze.

fuck him. he bitch'd out and since you sympathize with him, that tells me all i need to know about you

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I could understand much easier. As it is all I can say is who knows how any of us would have acted in the same situation.

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will lead to other school districts and/or local police precincts to seriously look into who guards their schools. Unfortunately in these days and times, it appears folks that hold these positions have to be top notch in their positions and won't or freeze up run when that fight or flight situation presents itself.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

Yes, I've been in situations where things got hot and I thought I would have to use my weapon. No, I didn't tuck tail and run off. That being said, he volunteered for the job. He knew that the job required that he put his life on the line if need be. No one forced him to take a job that has those requirements. We can't start excusing cowardice when the person in question takes a job, volitionally, that requires risking their own safety for the protection of others. What's the point of having law enforcement, security guards, military, etc. if we're going to let them off the hook from doing their jobs (with exceptions, of course) of protecting those whom they serve?

Whenever an unarmed Black victim died at the hands of a jumpy cop, not one of us had bought the excuse from the cop bootlickers about how the cop "feared for his life." We were quick to retort with "well, if that's the case, he shouldn't have been a cop if he's a coward" and rightfully so. That dude gets no excuse; especially when we know for a fact that an unarmed coach and certain students, who were also unarmed, had died trying to protect others.

Miss me with the excuses for that dude. He sure didn't have a problem with enjoying whatever benefits that come along with his position. That's the type of dude that would get you hemmed up by the enemy if you both were in a combat situation in the military. Dude gets no respect from me.



Since 1976

If we have to depend on self-sacrificing heroes to save our kids from madmen with machine guns, we've got much bigger problems.

So now we've got multiple examples of armed police and soldiers freezing up in active shooter situations, and yet a kindergarten teacher is supposed to morph into Rambo and save the day. Seems legit.

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I wouldn't be surprised if he was just as afraid of shooting the wrong kid.

it's a weird ask.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

It's the f'n job

just one more example where LEOs training needs to be questioned

if dude wasn't up for the job...do something else

the possibility of him not being up to task cost lives

waiting until the shit hit the fan to find that out is too late.

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Dude's been breaking up fist fights for years probably. He was up to that job.
Walking into a gun fight is completely different ball game. He might have thought he was up to it. But the time came, and he wasn't.

Every talks tough about what they would do. But it's just that....talk.

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is the proper response?

DUDE FROZE.

made no attempt to do any F'N thing

I'm not sure what you're defending here

where did I say he should have ran into the building firing rounds indiscriminately...?

part of his job duty is crisis response

his response was nothing.

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before we start counting like day cares.

double that many churches.


screening/arming/training these theoretical guards is just a fantasy.

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I wonder how long dude's identity will remain protected. If he has any wits to him, he and his family are long gone from where he or they used to rest their heads. I feel sorry for his family since I'm certain they'll get some grief, assuming dude's identity will get leaked sooner or later.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

his name is already out.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/02/23/florida-school-shooting-deputy-scot-peterson/

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Says he "doesn't love the children, probably doesn't know the children."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/trump-office-love-the-children/index.html

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oddly enough...the only people trump and republicans havent attacked over this thing are teachers.

Draft dodger. Didn't love the country, probably didn't know the country.

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Trump's a fake tough guy who understands the instinct to not want to sacrifice yourself to protect others more than just about anyone

finna use em when it counts.


SROs dont want no parts of no shootouts man


its a reason they chose watchin a school over swat team



i mean he prolly feel guilty af but yeah

>SROs dont want no parts of no shootouts man
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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

incidents happenin

unfortunately


and, ya know, black kids already get in "trouble" more often


smh these mfuckas think they slick i swear

This whole situation is so fucked I'm really out here sympathizing with a cop.

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JK

enter the building at least? try to get some kids to safety. the guy was military trained, academy trained, decades on the job. i'm sure he had some idea of that he should have done.

i also feel for him on a human level, and i understand the instinct of wanting to see his family, retire soon, etc.. and I'm sure he feels terrible. I'm sure it's hard on his family. That doesn't mean this wasn't cowardice.

From vice article published about SRO's not wanting armed teachers:

"In fact, Jimmy Angeles, an armed school resource officer at Winter Park High School in Orlando, told me he received no job-specific active shooter training as an SRO. He added that each of the seven years he's been in the profession, he and his department have run through scenarios at places like local movie theaters. But the 39-year-old said that when they run the training at the campus where he works, it's mostly to familiarize other area cops with the school's layout so that if "Meet me at the 700 building," went out on the radio during an emergency, there'd be no confusion."


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I don't know what the law enforcement kind of training would look like but I highly doubt it's narrated by John Rambo. It's probably to keep an eye on things until backup arrives and act in a coordinated way.

Dude likely did what he was supposed to do but this gun debate got everybody sounding stupid.

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We see where his instincts really lay.

Not that I'm blaming him for anything

Apparently.

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