2. "I just wish they would have made the Prometheus sequel a full movie" In response to Reply # 1
that had so much potential and would have made Prometheus more meaningful. People are loving this though, so I guess I'm happy that it's at least a really good movie.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Sun May-21-17 04:19 PM
6. "Dude has shitty taste in food AND movies" In response to Reply # 5
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Mon May-22-17 08:18 AM
27. "^^^ exhibit L ^^^^" In response to Reply # 13
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Sun May-21-17 06:22 PM
8. "This means it must be good " In response to Reply # 7
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Engineers design black substance to wipe out humans.
Simple.
I also dont like the roman albino beings being represented as engineers along with the Elephant mask which are distinctly represented in Hindu and Ancient African cultures.
17. "A bit more than that." In response to Reply # 14 Mon May-22-17 05:24 AM by denny
The question that was asked in Prometheus....'why do the engineers want to kill humanity' is answered. Kinda spoilers here:
Engineers create humanity. Humans build AI to find their creators. Ironically, human built AI is what threatens to kill our creators. So our creators create a pathogen to destroy us in order to protect themselves from our AI. But our AI gets ahold of their pathogen and uses it against them...and then develops it to be even more effective (the creation of the Alien) in order to kill off humanity. It's kinda poetic that the AI we made to find our creators ends up killing them. And it's a cycle because the AI we make, in turn, make the Alien which is destined to kill us. The engineers are to us as we are to AI as AI is to the Alien.
I 'think' I'm getting that right. In anycase....I thought it was great.
22. "RE: But there are moral and amoral AI which doesn't follow with engineer..." In response to Reply # 21 Mon May-22-17 07:04 AM by denny
I'm pretty sure the engineers are trying to kill humanity because they realize our AI is destined to kill them. In the same way we should kill David so he doesn't create the Alien. Of note: Humans stopped making AI like David and this 'doesn't surprise him'. So David needs to stop humanity )his creator) in the same way we need to stop the engineers (our creators).
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Mon May-22-17 08:09 AM
24. "self preservation yo.. " In response to Reply # 23
everyone is out to preserve their life form in some way...
but then again, is David working for a corporation or did he go rogue? I haven't seen this one yet but it's my understanding all these AI's are working for the company who wants this Alien as a weapon.
I also have to remind myself this is BEFORE Alien and Aliens.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Mon May-22-17 08:16 AM
26. "hmmm.. but how does he even know they exist? " In response to Reply # 25
or what it is?
interesting theory.
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Atillah Moor Member since Sep 05th 2013 13825 posts
Mon May-22-17 08:35 AM
28. "In Prometheus he doesn't know. He's just as curious as everyone else " In response to Reply # 26
also there's something about his time alone on the journey in Prometheus as well as his fascination with at least one of the characters dreams in that movie which seem to suggest he's motivated by isolation, curiosity, and a general disdain for humanity as a result to being superior to humans but made subserviant.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Mon May-22-17 09:24 AM
32. "yeah, that makes sense" In response to Reply # 28
he was fascinated by her dreams and faith in a higher power.
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Atillah Moor Member since Sep 05th 2013 13825 posts
Mon May-22-17 11:06 PM
73. "Eridu genesis account predates Gilgamesh though doesn't it?" In response to Reply # 69
I hear you on the "black is bad" motif, but in reading Scotts commentary on Noah I get a feeling he's well versed with the older versions of the stories and at the same time has to make movies that will sell to white people. I guess my hope is that he tries to sneak in "authenticity" when possible -- at least when it comes to bible related material
19. "I love the Aliens universe so I enjoyed this" In response to Reply # 0
If you just think the concept is cool I can understand why some people wouldn't. Some folks just wanted a repeat of Alien and Aliens, some wanted another Prometheus. If you didn't mind a combination of the two then the movie wasn't that bad.
Honestly its the third best movie with Alien in the title. No way you would put Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection ahead of this. As far as ranking for me it would go.
Alien (Aliens) Aliens (Alien) *seriously those two switch up so much for me* Alien: Covenant Alien 3 Prometheus Alien Resurrection AvP: Requiem AvP: Steaming pile of shit (the first one)
I really wish they would have gone with the Steve Parry novels from back in the day as a follow up to Aliens. Those were pretty damn good and followed up 10 years after. Hicks, a grown up Newt, and an Ellen Riply who has seen some shit! After Alien 3 was released they had to change the names of Hicks and Newt in the books to Wilks and Billie.
My personal timeline goes like this Alien Alien: Isolation (video game) Aliens Alien Book 1: Earth Hive Alien Book 2: Nightmare Asylum Alien Book 2: Female War
If you're a big fan give those a shot and if you're not a gamer then you can follow the cut scenes on youtube. It follows Riplys daughter who is mentioned in the film, she tries to find her mother and shit hits the fan, there is one Alien like in the first movie and its her trying to survive.
TL;DR: Covenant was good.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Mon May-22-17 09:23 AM
31. "why the hell would Shaw trust David? " In response to Reply # 29
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Mon May-22-17 09:37 AM
34. "haha.. thats a staple of the franchise" In response to Reply # 33
trying to think if any Black characters ever did that shit in this series?
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Atillah Moor Member since Sep 05th 2013 13825 posts
Mon May-22-17 09:53 AM
38. "I think she believed him to be just a robot and said as much IIRC" In response to Reply # 31
Her husband was a dick too. David never really liked either of them. I think prometheus implied that blade runner takes place in the same universe so if they don't make synthetics like David anymore it would likely be due to what they are concerned about in blade runner; synthetics like David who can form responses based on emotions -- like don't like etc
I don't think the characters are aware that David is actually AI. They think he's just a robot like the one they have. Incapable of wanting something for themselves or doing anything that they're not programmed to do.
46. "Yeah that part was wild" In response to Reply # 44
I would have just shot the fuck outta David and kept it moving, Everything else could have been avoided after that. Kill David, get the rest of your crew and get the fuck outta there. Make up some wild shit about how your other crew members died so no one else goes to that planet and never speak of it again.
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77. "yeah. David was a dick" In response to Reply # 75
when Oram says 'If you don't tell me what's going on, I'm gonna fuck up your perfect composure' EVERYBODY DIED.
At the end of Prometheus when David told Shaw 'there are other ships', I was talking to the screen again. Like 'bxtch he has hidden everything from you and Weyland Jr. (Vickers) the WHOLE MOVIE and given you both the finger. Why would you trust him? Go back to Earth and be famous.'
48. "I love your grouchy ass handle" In response to Reply # 47 Mon May-22-17 12:53 PM by rdhull
at first I was like dude needs to chill..but youve grown on me
>First movie should have been it. > >2nd movie was excusable because although the tone was much >different it was good enough to stand on it's own. > >Everything else is garbage - 100% trash. > >See also Terminator movies and Predator movies. (Predator 2 >being the only good one.)
>Predator 1 was incredibly stupid. > >Predator 2 has the predator hunting gang members, and a >showdown where Danny Glover kills one with a Frisbee shaped >like Krull.
While I don't hate Predator 2, I rather enjoy it. It's not touching the first movie.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Mon May-22-17 02:46 PM
54. "I saw Aliens in the theatre... that shit was Awesome!!!" In response to Reply # 53
Especially since my best friends older brother was military and took us to see it. He was so hype, we were so scared... then we tried to be the first ones out to movie theatre when we thought it was over and Ripley was talking to the robot and next thing you know... ooooh shit!!!
Everyone ran back to their seats. Shit was great.
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68. "so did I back then..movie of the summer" In response to Reply # 54
>Especially since my best friends older brother was military >and took us to see it. He was so hype, we were so scared... >then we tried to be the first ones out to movie theatre when >we thought it was over and Ripley was talking to the robot and >next thing you know... ooooh shit!!! > >Everyone ran back to their seats. Shit was great.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Mon May-22-17 09:51 PM
72. "man, the comic relief is ALWAYS the one making the most sense" In response to Reply # 56
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79. "smh @ "completely unnecessary"" In response to Reply # 71 Tue May-23-17 12:51 PM by Flash80
dawg, there was still a derelict ship with "thousands of eggs" left behind from when the nostromo bounced with john hurt all facehugged. ash told the company about the organism, so it makes sense that the company (weyland-yutani... carter burke) would surreptitiously send people there as "terraformers" years later to unknowingly investigate the ship...
peep the aliens special edition ---
ripley finds out her daughter had died while she was in hypersleep for those 50+ years. this arc lends so much to ripley's catharsis/redemption as a mother figure with newt. then she fights another "mother" protecting her own. film was ahead of its time in terms of feminism.
59. "my dude..Aliens is a top notch action monster movie thriller" In response to Reply # 47
>First movie should have been it. > >2nd movie was excusable because although the tone was much >different it was good enough to stand on it's own. > >Everything else is garbage - 100% trash. > >See also Terminator movies and Predator movies. (Predator 2 >being the only good one.)
66. "The Aliens trilogy is the best movie franchise of all time." In response to Reply # 61 Mon May-22-17 06:29 PM by denny
Way better than Star Wars. Alien might be the best set design of all time. Perhaps 2001 might have a word. But like 2001...I could watch Alien on mute and just look at it and be entertained.
I was watching the 1978 version of 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' recently and it occurred to me....The first 90 seconds of that movie is better special effects and more beautiful to look at than every comic book movie ever made combined. I have to go see comic book movies to spend time with my family. It's worth it...but comic book movies are a modern cultural plague of our time lol. They have essentially destroyed filmmaking and I'm bitter as hell.
62. "RE: Aliens 3 is a classic too." In response to Reply # 60
>I'm kinda surprised there isn't a clear consensus on that. I >LOVE Aliens 3. David Fincher's first movie. Nuff said.
i cannot believe the studio fox cut the scenes where they *spoiler* actually caught and trapped the alien for a bit, before the one prisoner started basically devil-worshipping it and ultimately let it loose again. added so much more to the story.
i ain't mad at fincher. he took over for a fired director, admist an already-underway production on its 20 millionth script re-write that wasn't even finished. hicks and newt were supposed to have survived, with hicks becoming the main character over ripley. i think sigourney weaver politicking didn't help either. and wtf was fincher gonna do and say to anyone as a rookie film director?
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