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"things you didn't like about THe Wire,Sorpranos and Dexter??"


          

thinking about 3 of the Greatest shows to emerge over the past 20 years
and what was it about them that you didn't like?

if anything

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Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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RE: things you didn't like about THe Wire,Sorpranos and Dexter??
Apr 12th 2017
1
Definitely season 2 of the wire.
Apr 12th 2017
2
I liked Frank, his nephew was okay
Apr 13th 2017
14
      Agree with all of this.
Apr 13th 2017
16
      Frank was dope, I didn't like the nephew or Ziggy
Apr 13th 2017
41
Hard to hold much against the kids in the Sopranos
Apr 13th 2017
7
I couldn't stand AJ.
Apr 13th 2017
29
Meadow was cool considering the circumstances, AJ was hard to like thoug...
Apr 13th 2017
39
RE: things you didn't like about THe Wire,Sorpranos and Dexter??
Apr 13th 2017
8
Exactly.
Apr 13th 2017
10
yep, season 5 was the easily the worst
Apr 13th 2017
15
      Really ? Do you have a link about this ?
Apr 13th 2017
18
           I'll see if i can find one
Apr 13th 2017
33
                Interesting.
Apr 13th 2017
35
                     Yeah Simon has talked about it
Apr 13th 2017
151
RE: things you didn't like about THe Wire,Sorpranos and Dexter??
Apr 13th 2017
9
      Yeah Silvio was ok....Paulie was such a hoe
Apr 13th 2017
40
           I hear you.
Apr 13th 2017
42
           Sylvio was the only likable character on that whole show.
Apr 13th 2017
52
           lol...ya'll trippin....they both were cool
Apr 13th 2017
64
To me dexter should have ended with the
Apr 13th 2017
3
The Wire only showed one truly corrupt/bad street-level cop.
Apr 13th 2017
4
Yea I can understand this gripe.
Apr 13th 2017
11
Ummm...
Apr 13th 2017
24
^^^How y'all sleep on THAT guy?^^^
Apr 13th 2017
45
      I don't think he was dirty. He was just an asshole.
Apr 13th 2017
51
           That dude was racist as hell.
Apr 13th 2017
56
                I agree on that.
Apr 13th 2017
58
                     Right. He never crossed any lines. He was just tough.
Apr 13th 2017
65
                          Ummmm...
Apr 13th 2017
70
                               Nope. Fuck those assholes honking their car horns like they don't have ...
Apr 13th 2017
71
I think Simon's point is that most bad police are guys like Herc
Apr 13th 2017
112
Good point.
Apr 13th 2017
152
What about Prezbo? He blinded a kid, shot a UC...
Apr 14th 2017
157
      I think he was just a shitty cop, but not a bad person.
Apr 17th 2017
171
Outside of John Lithgow, Dexter was hot garbage.
Apr 13th 2017
5
Terrible acting in the wire
Apr 13th 2017
6
*blink*
Apr 13th 2017
143
      MONEY BE GREEN.
Apr 18th 2017
177
One of these things doesn't belong ...
Apr 13th 2017
12
My one gripe with Sopranos is ...
Apr 13th 2017
13
this look like money, muthafucka? MONEY BE GREEN!!
Apr 13th 2017
17
LOL them's some nitpicky gripes but ..
Apr 13th 2017
20
I don't really understand this 'money be green' gripe
Apr 13th 2017
25
I see what you're saying...I see both sides though.
Apr 13th 2017
30
That's not part of the AAVE I grew up speaking.
Apr 13th 2017
66
Ehhh. I see your point and I agree to an extent
Apr 13th 2017
72
      But also: The emphasis should not be on 'be.'
Apr 13th 2017
80
because in Baltimorese it would be 'Money green-yo'
Apr 13th 2017
105
Fair enough
Apr 13th 2017
120
Who be eat'n cookies?
Apr 14th 2017
159
jawn / jawnt
Apr 13th 2017
74
      RE: jawn / jawnt
Apr 13th 2017
116
McNulty's accent
Apr 13th 2017
19
yeah I let it slide or didn't notice his accent the first time around
Apr 13th 2017
21
I didn't like McNulty's character all, he was extra disrespectful to his...
Apr 13th 2017
22
you think he was more disrespectful to his black superiors?
Apr 13th 2017
26
      ^ this.
Apr 13th 2017
28
      Rawls
Apr 13th 2017
31
           Good call. But ...
Apr 13th 2017
34
                Agreed
Apr 13th 2017
36
                     Hahaha yea it was.
Apr 13th 2017
43
                          he was so delighted with himself when he figured it out
Apr 13th 2017
47
                               Hahaha yep. I wanna go back and watch that tonite now.
Apr 13th 2017
48
      he was super disrespectful to Daniels, mostly for no reason, I'm pretty....
Apr 13th 2017
54
           Actually, I thought he had a LOT of respect for Daniels.
Apr 13th 2017
57
                ^^ agree.
Apr 13th 2017
61
                Lets be real, black men in positions of authority are way more...
Apr 13th 2017
98
                     100000%. Couldn't agree more.
Apr 13th 2017
104
                          RE: 100000%. Couldn't agree more.
Apr 13th 2017
113
                               Sure. But I don't think he had an underlying racial bias in his writing.
Apr 13th 2017
115
                                    I know McNulty is your hero but he's racist, most white men are.
Apr 14th 2017
154
                                         Hey I think I'll be a flaming asshole for no reason © You
Apr 14th 2017
158
                There were a gang of times he disrespected Daniels, like when they...
Apr 13th 2017
96
                     that was more abot the raid being bullshit than Daniels, though.
Apr 13th 2017
100
                          Regardless he was insubordinate multiple times.
Apr 13th 2017
114
                               "We're all pieces of shit when we're in your way" - Daniels
Apr 16th 2017
169
                                    Nothing.
Apr 16th 2017
170
                                         Its understandable for a white person to think this way.
Apr 20th 2017
266
In the Wire some of the black Baltimoreans talked like slaves...
Apr 13th 2017
23
I'm still looking for a 'knock-OH' lol
Apr 13th 2017
46
      was it supposed to be "Narco"?
Apr 13th 2017
53
           knocker as in door knocker...as in undercovers/task force
Apr 13th 2017
60
                ah. we call 'em Tactical officers here.
Apr 13th 2017
73
                In West Baltimore they called them drop
Apr 13th 2017
153
                     We call them "jump outs" here in Philly
Apr 14th 2017
155
                          Marlo's pigeon coop
Apr 14th 2017
156
                               Wrong place :(
Apr 14th 2017
160
                Shit, I thought it was narcos all this time.
Apr 13th 2017
83
                     me too.
Apr 13th 2017
86
Dexter was just getting away with TOO much.
Apr 13th 2017
27
yep, it was ridiculous
Apr 13th 2017
32
Like other folks, the McNulty story of season 5
Apr 13th 2017
37
no Breaking Bad? *ducks*
Apr 13th 2017
38
Ducks ? Why
Apr 13th 2017
44
Other than Jesse being a complete dipshit,
Apr 13th 2017
55
      Marie. Marie is what there is to dislike about BB
Apr 13th 2017
63
      I meant plotwise. EVERY character on BB was an asshole.
Apr 13th 2017
68
           Fam I rode hard for Walt from start to finish
Apr 13th 2017
76
                I *did* want him to win. I agree with that part.
Apr 13th 2017
79
                     Mike was all business, but said business was immorality.
Apr 13th 2017
84
      I didn't like how Mike went out
Apr 13th 2017
81
           I think he was just old and tired.
Apr 13th 2017
85
           Mike was on the run and at a significant disadvantage though
Apr 13th 2017
88
my only gripe with the Sopranos were the LONG haituses
Apr 13th 2017
49
'Surveillance' in The Wire is parking 3 feet away from your suspects and...
Apr 13th 2017
50
especially since they knew they were on to 'em.
Apr 13th 2017
59
Dexter def in next or even 3rd tier below those two
Apr 13th 2017
62
I got a beef with Sons of Anarchy, AKA: Jax Teller, Mastermind
Apr 13th 2017
67
Fuck everybody on that show, man.
Apr 13th 2017
69
SOA is the rare show that turns me into a TV snob
Apr 13th 2017
91
      people who won't even *try* "The Wire" are assholes.
Apr 13th 2017
92
           If you shut off your brain and just roll with the soapyness
Apr 13th 2017
94
           So annoying.
Apr 13th 2017
111
I religiously hatewatched SOA
Apr 13th 2017
109
Or family breakfast at The Clubhouse
Apr 13th 2017
118
      JAX's SLIPPING ACCENT
Apr 13th 2017
142
i liked the first few seasons, the later seasons not so much
Apr 20th 2017
265
They all work as allegories - none were documentaries
Apr 13th 2017
75
Honest question: did you read the premise of the post?
Apr 13th 2017
78
      Yup, you want a bitch fest
Apr 13th 2017
82
           Cool story. It was a perfectly reasonable question.
Apr 13th 2017
89
Method Man in the Wire...smh
Apr 13th 2017
77
LL was just as bad.
Apr 13th 2017
87
LL?
Apr 13th 2017
97
      Shit...I was thinking of LL's role on "Oz" My bad..
Apr 13th 2017
99
           I'm finishing an Oz re-watch as we speak. I hated Jiggy Walker.
Apr 13th 2017
102
                that last season was brutal, though...
Apr 13th 2017
122
                     I'm not sure we can discuss this sans fisticuffs. I'm an Oz apologist
Apr 13th 2017
126
                          LOLOLOL!!! I understand. I get defensive about "LOST"
Apr 13th 2017
134
                               both awful last seasons and endings
Apr 13th 2017
140
                               I'm telling Cyril O'Rielly you slapped his new mama
Apr 13th 2017
145
                               WE HAVE TO GO BACK, KATE!!!!!!!
Apr 13th 2017
150
                               Lost as a whole left me ridiculously frustrated.
Apr 13th 2017
146
                               I was locked in until the alternate timeline stuff.
Apr 13th 2017
149
                               i loved the first two seasons
Apr 18th 2017
178
                                    Unresolved supblots were the worst part of that show.
Apr 18th 2017
179
^^^^
Apr 13th 2017
95
did they not write him in as Prop Joe's nephew until SEason 3
Apr 19th 2017
187
Breaking Bad was miles above Dexter.
Apr 13th 2017
90
I could add a few more
Apr 13th 2017
106
      Boardwalk Empire is wholly underrated.
Apr 13th 2017
108
      It was a great show
Apr 13th 2017
117
      GREAT show. From top to bottom.
Apr 13th 2017
119
      Game of Thrones is in my Top Five of all time.
Apr 13th 2017
121
           Hardhome is my favorite
Apr 13th 2017
128
                When the Night King was all "Come at me, Bro.." YES!!!
Apr 13th 2017
141
Ive never even watched Dexter, waiting for it to come on netflix.
Apr 13th 2017
93
it's been on Netflix for a while.
Apr 13th 2017
101
Well damn
Apr 13th 2017
110
Caught it last year and dropped out after Season 5
Apr 13th 2017
137
one of these are not like the other....(pssst. it's Dexter)
Apr 13th 2017
103
Likewise.
Apr 13th 2017
107
I heard about it before I saw it.
Apr 13th 2017
124
people forget how rotten Carmella *really* was.
Apr 13th 2017
123
      Oh I never fucking forget. Ha
Apr 13th 2017
125
           To this day if I see someone do this, I lost it a little bit.
Apr 13th 2017
127
           UGGGHHHHHH
Apr 13th 2017
129
           Charmaine got sweet revenge for that too
Apr 13th 2017
131
           I HATE that.
Apr 13th 2017
136
           her and Janice and Ralphie were the worst
Apr 13th 2017
130
                No one was worse than Janice
Apr 13th 2017
132
                She legit spikes my anxiety levels when she's on screen
Apr 13th 2017
148
                Janice was my least favorite in the whole series.
Apr 13th 2017
133
                Christopher was just... frustrating lol
Apr 13th 2017
138
                     Oh agreed entirely.
Apr 13th 2017
139
                     I maybe misremembering but I felt like Christopher was the last
Apr 13th 2017
144
                          I agree with that actually. There's an emotional push/pull there
Apr 13th 2017
147
                Janice....what a POS.
Apr 13th 2017
135
Marlo's pigeon coop
Apr 14th 2017
161
The same could be said for Mike Tyson...
Apr 14th 2017
162
the hwhite people love, the accents, and the sister, respectively
Apr 14th 2017
163
after years of morality, they turn meadow into just another mob wife
Apr 14th 2017
164
nah that's not really true. dude wasn't a mobster
Apr 15th 2017
165
      I thought he was on his way into a mob fam and Meadow approving
Apr 15th 2017
166
           according to this he might be a bit dirtier than i remember
Apr 15th 2017
167
           Meadow was never much of a moral compass.
Apr 18th 2017
175
                Excellent analysis.
Apr 18th 2017
176
                agreed on all of this
Apr 18th 2017
180
The Wire - Criminals too efficient
Apr 16th 2017
168
I think that was the point, though.
Apr 17th 2017
172
yeah, Avon knew his lane
Apr 17th 2017
173
      One of the best scenes in the whole series.
Apr 18th 2017
174
      WHAT I TELL YOU ABOUT PLAYING AWAY GAMES?
Apr 19th 2017
204
      Day of the Jackal!!! LOL.
Apr 18th 2017
181
           that was a different scene
Apr 18th 2017
182
How was Marlo so powerful with an army of 2
Apr 19th 2017
186
Marlo had a gang of people those 2 were the ones with major roles...
Apr 20th 2017
268
yeah they did make Omar out to be somewhat of a mythical hero....
Apr 20th 2017
267
RE: things you didn't like about THe Wire,Sorpranos and Dexter??
Apr 18th 2017
183
Oookkkkkkkkkkkk
Apr 18th 2017
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there's always one, ain't it?
Apr 19th 2017
189
wat
Apr 19th 2017
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      Yeah
Apr 19th 2017
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           i'm not above questioning, but to say you didn't like almost everything
Apr 19th 2017
193
           right.
Apr 19th 2017
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           wrong
Apr 19th 2017
198
                i WAS specific, but here goes:
Apr 19th 2017
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                     Not really but since you are now
Apr 19th 2017
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           ^ beat me to it.
Apr 19th 2017
196
           Not as strange as people who worship the show
Apr 19th 2017
199
                bruh, you asking some dumb ass questions in here
Apr 19th 2017
208
                Bruh not my fault yall basic
Apr 19th 2017
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                     http://i.imgur.com/yutRrqm.gif
Apr 19th 2017
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                Oh no!
Apr 19th 2017
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                     if only they created a format to watch stuff twice.
Apr 19th 2017
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                     this man only listen to albums one time
Apr 19th 2017
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                     An episode or album
Apr 19th 2017
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                     People always watch a whole series more than 4 times
Apr 19th 2017
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                          do you listen to albums you love more than 4 times?
Apr 19th 2017
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                          Is an album 60 hours long ?
Apr 19th 2017
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                          Some folks enjoy the wire as much as you enjoy arguing over the internet
Apr 19th 2017
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                               I don't worship arguing over the internet
Apr 19th 2017
247
                                    based on your weird definition of worship, yes you do.
Apr 19th 2017
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                                         Staying with that huh
Apr 19th 2017
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                                              950 of your 1000 posts are of you arguing
Apr 19th 2017
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                                                   Nah links and comments
Apr 19th 2017
251
                                                        ok, so 920
Apr 19th 2017
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                                                             Even 1000 is not even close to 31,000 post
Apr 19th 2017
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                                                                  still arguing about nothing
Apr 19th 2017
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                                                                       No argument we agree you have over 31,000 post
Apr 19th 2017
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                                                                            see what I mean?
Apr 19th 2017
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                                                                                 Walk outside get some fresh air
Apr 19th 2017
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                                                                                      it's like you can't help yourself
Apr 19th 2017
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                                                                                      A break does not mean
Apr 19th 2017
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                                                                                      can I whine about people who like it and share think pieces?
Apr 19th 2017
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                                                                                      No you tube either
Apr 19th 2017
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           I don't think you've ever watched the show.
Apr 19th 2017
194
                Where were Monk's parents? Why did Marlo have a golf club?
Apr 19th 2017
197
                LOL
Apr 19th 2017
200
                Why didn't Mynoriti make it to the A-list ?
Apr 19th 2017
215
                     well, that was weird
Apr 19th 2017
227
                          He's got a lot of fight in him. Ya GOTTA give him THAT much.
Apr 19th 2017
232
                how this nigga go from Rawls to Chris and Bird? the fuck?
Apr 19th 2017
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                Easy
Apr 19th 2017
210
                white vs Black huh?
Apr 19th 2017
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                White character vs Black characters
Apr 19th 2017
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                     Man... wtf.
Apr 19th 2017
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                          tf
Apr 19th 2017
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                               it's America tho
Apr 19th 2017
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                                    LOL yes it is
Apr 19th 2017
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                please.
Apr 19th 2017
                I'm on the verge of letting him borrow my DVD's, fam.
Apr 19th 2017
213
                     fam, he would prolly put them in his CD player
Apr 19th 2017
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                     said some 'un-clap-to-able' shit, and got caught.
Apr 19th 2017
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                     bitching about people watching it twice is amazing
Apr 19th 2017
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                     bitching about people watching a *critically accaimed* show twice
Apr 19th 2017
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                     Right, you really believe
Apr 19th 2017
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                          I don't care how many times someone watched a show they love
Apr 19th 2017
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                               You don't have to care
Apr 19th 2017
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                     This is not a show
Apr 19th 2017
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                     Only
Apr 19th 2017
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                     You mean they can leave your vault ?
Apr 19th 2017
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                          for YOU, I'd make an execption.
Apr 19th 2017
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                               I'll do you one better
Apr 19th 2017
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                RE: I don't think you've ever watched the show.
Apr 19th 2017
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                     your EXACT words:
Apr 19th 2017
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                          Without the OP question
Apr 19th 2017
235
HATED season 5 of the wire with a passion
Apr 19th 2017
185
i hated DeLonda's big ass flaring nostrils!!!
Apr 19th 2017
188
One of the worst TV mothers in history.
Apr 19th 2017
190
      De'Londa, Kenard and D'Angelo are three of the most hated characters
Apr 19th 2017
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           EXACTLY
Apr 19th 2017
203
           how do kids become killers in the hood IRL?
Apr 19th 2017
211
           D'Angelo?
Apr 19th 2017
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                I thought he was one of the few decent-ish people
Apr 19th 2017
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                D had a good heart, but he wasn't built to be a drug dealer
Apr 19th 2017
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                     agreed.
Apr 19th 2017
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                     D was too soft and talked too much
Apr 19th 2017
254

DJR
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1. "RE: things you didn't like about THe Wire,Sorpranos and Dexter??"
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I found very few characters to be likable on the Sopranos. I loved the show, but I formed no real attachment to any character.

The Wire....season 2 on first viewing. Jarring change. I like it better now though. Took a long time. The newspaper angle in season 5 had promise but it never fully clicked with me. That's all I got though. Incredible show.

Breaking Bad>>>>>>>Dexter.

  

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denny
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2. "Definitely season 2 of the wire."
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The characters didn't have the same appeal as other seasons. More specifically, they weren't likeable. I hated those annoying two white kids and Frank. The wire did a really good job of making the characters multi-layered....no one's perfect, no one's imperfect. Season 2 was the acception.

  

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makaveli
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14. "I liked Frank, his nephew was okay"
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Ziggy was the absolute worst. I like the female cop on the docks and some of the other minor dock characters.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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16. "Agree with all of this."
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flipnile
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41. "Frank was dope, I didn't like the nephew or Ziggy"
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They could've cut both of them out and just went with the dock smuggling angle. Or at least had made Ziggy a dork-turned-junkie vs a wannabe thug.

  

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7. "Hard to hold much against the kids in the Sopranos"
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even if they ended up kind of crappy people, they didn't ask to be born into that life.

  

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29. "I couldn't stand AJ."
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he's one of my least favorite characters on ANY TV show.


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Back again for the first time.

  

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39. "Meadow was cool considering the circumstances, AJ was hard to like thoug..."
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In fact, he was one of the characters I disliked the most.

  

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8. "RE: things you didn't like about THe Wire,Sorpranos and Dexter??"
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Season 5 of the Wire and the whole "creating a serial killer" angle felt a bit too outlandish/far-fetched.

I don't mind Wire Season 2 as much as others, while the characters were not as compelling, I like the racial dichotomy it pushed at the viewer. Lots of people viewed Stringer/Avon and crew simply as bad guys, while simultaneously having empathy for Frank Sobotka and the union guys for simply trying their best to deal with economic hardships.

  

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10. "Exactly."
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>Season 5 of the Wire and the whole "creating a serial killer"
>angle felt a bit too outlandish/far-fetched.

^^ was the most unbelievable story in the show. I said that to someone who countered with Hamsterdam but then Hamsterdam kinda sorta happened somewhere so I turned out to be right. Haha.

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15. "yep, season 5 was the easily the worst"
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Thu Apr-13-17 08:13 AM by makaveli

  

          

Season 5 does get better at the end though. I actually loved season 2, I thought it was great. The idea for season 6 was to focus on the Latino community, I wish that would have happened.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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18. "Really ? Do you have a link about this ?"
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>The idea for season 6 was
>to focus on the Latino community, I wish that would have
>happened.

Never heard about it.

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33. "I'll see if i can find one"
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apparently they felt like they didn't know enough Latinos to do it the right way.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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35. "Interesting."
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>apparently they felt like they didn't know enough Latinos to
>do it the right way.

Thanks for looking into it.

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151. "Yeah Simon has talked about it "
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as makaveli said above, Simon and Burns didn't feel they had enough expertise to do the subject matter justice

  

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9. "RE: things you didn't like about THe Wire,Sorpranos and Dexter??"
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>I found very few characters to be likable on the Sopranos. I
>loved the show, but I formed no real attachment to any
>character.

Really ? I loved basically all of them. Begrudgingly/reluctantly, of course. Because so many of them were deplorable people. But how could you not love Sil and Paulie ?! Paulie was insane and a terrible person but he was like a puppy dog.


>The Wire....season 2 on first viewing. Jarring change. I
>like it better now though. Took a long time. The newspaper
>angle in season 5 had promise but it never fully clicked with
>me. That's all I got though. Incredible show.

Season 2 is def a jarring change but upon repeat viewings you recognize just how vital it is to the big picture. Season 2 is probably my 3rd favorite season. Season 5 is easily the worst. Was the laziest of all of them.

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40. "Yeah Silvio was ok....Paulie was such a hoe"
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He was too dramatic and whiny to be a likable asshole to me.

  

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42. "I hear you."
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I guess I just like Paulie because I rewound more of his parts than anyone else's in the show. When he took the shovel to the landscaping dude I lost it.

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52. "Sylvio was the only likable character on that whole show."
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64. "lol...ya'll trippin....they both were cool "
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3. "To me dexter should have ended with the"
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With you know who getting killed in the bathroom and now dexter has to raise his son just like harry raised him. Sorry trying to avoid spoilers...smh
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4. "The Wire only showed one truly corrupt/bad street-level cop."
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And he was black!

They alluded to Herc having some brutality charges, but implied that it wasn't out of racial animus and that he was fundamentally harmless and unbiased.

  

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11. "Yea I can understand this gripe."
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I think The Wire tried really hard to make *everyone* redeemable, or at least make it so that the viewer understood why someone was the way they were or sympathized with them even if they had some bad qualities. That's one of the things I liked about the show, even if it can be considered unrealistic. In other words some people are just *bad* people. Think The Wire was more interested in showing that people are complex and multi-layered, even those that do terrible things.

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24. "Ummm... "
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http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/thewirehbotv/images/4/4d/Images000.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20120601141353

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45. "^^^How y'all sleep on THAT guy?^^^"
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51. "I don't think he was dirty. He was just an asshole."
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56. "That dude was racist as hell."
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58. "I agree on that. "
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he didn't strike me as a dirty cop though. Just a former military head-busting kinda dude.

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65. "Right. He never crossed any lines. He was just tough."
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70. "Ummmm..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9v4yPm2lRg

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71. "Nope. Fuck those assholes honking their car horns like they don't have ..."
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sense.

  

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112. "I think Simon's point is that most bad police are guys like Herc"
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They're obsessed with ripping and running. They take shortcuts when they don't need to. They don't take responsibility for the actions, even (and especially) when their actions are destructive, because they believe they're doing the right thing. Think of how much destruction Herc's actions caused throughout the series, and all the while he remained oblivious to all of it. And, like most bad police, he continued to fail upwards.

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152. "Good point."
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I really liked the Wire but couldn't help but feel they fell into the trap of what they intended to avoid. For a series that was honourably attempting to blur the lines usually present in cop dramas....there were times that the feel of it became a more traditional cops vs robbers narrative.`

  

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157. "What about Prezbo? He blinded a kid, shot a UC..."
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Shot-up his own squad car and lied about it, and got away with it all because of nepotism. It was black UC he shot and killed.

They did go and try to redeem his character when he became a teacher, but he was pretty bad anytime he was on the street.

  

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171. "I think he was just a shitty cop, but not a bad person."
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5. "Outside of John Lithgow, Dexter was hot garbage. "
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On the nose BS with a great premise for a 3 season show (maybe). But it was bad.

The other 2 shows are near flawless. Dexter isn't in the ballpark.

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6. "Terrible acting in the wire"
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Great moments were often over shadowed by kids (teenagers) who shouldnt be in front of a camera.

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143. "*blink*"
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177. "MONEY BE GREEN. "
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12. "One of these things doesn't belong ..."
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>RE: things you didn't like about THe Wire,Sorpranos and Dexter??

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13. "My one gripe with Sopranos is ..."
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... how dark it became in the last 2 seasons (5 and 6, both parts). It was still a remarkable, amazingly written show with phenomenal acting. But what drew me to the show was how the writers were able to make otherwise disgusting actions and scenarios have a twinge of humor to them. The very first scene being indicative of what I mean. Two gangsters are chasing down your everyday businessman asking for money and beating the absolute piss out of him but somehow the writers made me laugh throughout.

The first 4 seasons or so were dominated by moments like these. I found that season 5 and 6 were short on those dark humor moments, and focused just on the "dark".

My only gripe with The Wire, as I mentioned in a reply above, was the fake serial killer storyline. It was poorly planned out and while I understood the writers wanted to show how fed up McNulty was with the system, I just thought they could've found a much better and more believable way to do it.

Outside of the above I legit cannot really think of any problems I had with either show in the big picture. There's probably a million little gripes I could come up with about specific episodes or seasons, like with any show, but those are the big ones.

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17. "this look like money, muthafucka? MONEY BE GREEN!!"
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money be green?

money. be. green.

you got george pelecanos on your writing staff and you let MONEY BE GREEN make the cut.

then there's the east vs west side basketball game when prop joe put in his ringer. stringer tawmbout

yo, get that midget outta here, B.

B ain't baltimore, that's new york.

and you got prez watching college football and his wife asks him who is winning. prez says

No one wins, one side just loses more slowly.

the hell is that?

and there are times when stringer puts the wrong emphasis on the wrong syllable.

or mcnulty lets the british accent slip out.

  

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20. "LOL them's some nitpicky gripes but .."
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I guess with a show that good you gotta dig deep to find something to complain about.


>money be green?
>
>money. be. green.
>
>you got george pelecanos on your writing staff and you let
>MONEY BE GREEN make the cut.
>
>then there's the east vs west side basketball game when prop
>joe put in his ringer. stringer tawmbout
>
>yo, get that midget outta here, B.
>
>B ain't baltimore, that's new york.
>
>and you got prez watching college football and his wife asks
>him who is winning. prez says
>
>No one wins, one side just loses more slowly.
>
>the hell is that?
>
>and there are times when stringer puts the wrong emphasis on
>the wrong syllable.
>
>or mcnulty lets the british accent slip out.
>
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25. "I don't really understand this 'money be green' gripe"
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you really never heard someone who replaces 'is' with 'be'?
Cuz that's kinda standard hood speak or aave...

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30. "I see what you're saying...I see both sides though."
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>you really never heard someone who replaces 'is' with 'be'?
>Cuz that's kinda standard hood speak or aave...


you know how screenwriters think we automatically use 'be' in every sentence.

Example: when Chris and Snoop were trying to get rid of all the NY dealers, and he asked the guy "you know who Young Leek be?"

NOBODY talks like that.


But in the case of 'money be green', I took it as "Money is usually green!!!" In that instance, the 'be' is ok with me.


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66. "That's not part of the AAVE I grew up speaking."
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The "be" construction is for things that consistently or frequently occur again and again. It's not used for a fundamental characteristic. Money be green is like saying "I be 6'1"". If you said something like that in real life in any Hood, people would look at you funny for a split second, even if they got your basic point, because it's not lexical at all.

  

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72. "Ehhh. I see your point and I agree to an extent"
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"He be 6'1"" doesn't work
But "A ball be round" does.
Especially when the speaker is correcting someone.

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80. "But also: The emphasis should not be on 'be.'"
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In the example i gave, it should be on 'ball' or 'round.'

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105. "because in Baltimorese it would be 'Money green-yo' "
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not money be green or even money is green

well not in that exchange

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120. "Fair enough"
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159. "Who be eat'n cookies?"
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...or is that reference dated?


>you really never heard someone who replaces 'is' with 'be'?
>Cuz that's kinda standard hood speak or aave...


Everybody's got a lil light unda the sun....

  

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74. "jawn / jawnt"
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116. "RE: jawn / jawnt"
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yeah, that's DC, not Baltimore.

Taking shots in the dark/that's a bad call
Going straight for your head/ gotta saw it off

  

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19. "McNulty's accent"
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"DANIELS!"

Dexter isn't that good.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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21. "yeah I let it slide or didn't notice his accent the first time around"
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but with each subsequent viewing of the show afterward it started becoming more obvious.


  

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22. "I didn't like McNulty's character all, he was extra disrespectful to his..."
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superiors especially the black ones, had no problem throwing his fellow officers under the bus or screwing them over to serve his own selfish crusades. He basically got Body killed. Yet they tried to paint him as the hero.

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26. "you think he was more disrespectful to his black superiors?"
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to me it just seemed like he hated the bosses in general. and I don't think they tried to paint him as a hero at all.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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28. "^ this."
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And weren't all his superiors black throughout the show ? Kinda hard to hate a white superior if you don't have one.

But either way yea - I think he just had a problem with authority in general.

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31. "Rawls"
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and Rawls hated him for being disrespectful to his superiors.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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34. "Good call. But ..."
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that kinda proves the counterpoint anyway. Because he arguably may have undermined Rawls more than anyone.

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36. "Agreed"
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He hated Rawls lol. That whole thing with the tides in the water for the dead body was hilarious.

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43. "Hahaha yea it was."
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>He hated Rawls lol. That whole thing with the tides in the
>water for the dead body was hilarious.

Friggen passive aggressive (more aggressive I suppose) faxes to the station. Hilarious stuff.

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47. "he was so delighted with himself when he figured it out"
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and Rawls was so pissed. Lol.

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48. "Hahaha yep. I wanna go back and watch that tonite now."
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Such a great scene/episode.

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54. "he was super disrespectful to Daniels, mostly for no reason, I'm pretty...."
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sure Ed Burns was projecting a lot of feelings he had towards his bosses and things he wished he could've said or done in real life because in real life McNulty wouldn't have been on a boat he would've been ran off the force or in jail or found in an alley with a bullet in his head.

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57. "Actually, I thought he had a LOT of respect for Daniels."
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He just hated that Daniels was a company man.


Like when he went in his office and laid down all the evidence that they had against Barksdale, but Daniels still wouldn't budge.


That scene showed that McNulty was calling Daniels to the carpet, because they both knew the department was wrong.


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61. "^^ agree."
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>He just hated that Daniels was a company man.
>
>
>Like when he went in his office and laid down all the evidence
>that they had against Barksdale, but Daniels still wouldn't
>budge.
>
>
>That scene showed that McNulty was calling Daniels to the
>carpet, because they both knew the department was wrong.

The times that Daniels stuck his neck out for McNulty (and more importantly, did the right thing, department be damned), McNulty was super appreciative and made it clear he respected it. Daniels' race had nothing to do with McNulty's ire. It was the position he was in and some of the decisions he made due to that position.

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98. "Lets be real, black men in positions of authority are way more..."
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questioned, scrutinized and tested than their white counterparts whether we're talking about a police dept, in government, business, sports, etc...


>>He just hated that Daniels was a company man.
>>
>>
>>Like when he went in his office and laid down all the
>evidence
>>that they had against Barksdale, but Daniels still wouldn't
>>budge.
>>
>>
>>That scene showed that McNulty was calling Daniels to the
>>carpet, because they both knew the department was wrong.
>
>The times that Daniels stuck his neck out for McNulty (and
>more importantly, did the right thing, department be damned),
>McNulty was super appreciative and made it clear he respected
>it. Daniels' race had nothing to do with McNulty's ire. It was
>the position he was in and some of the decisions he made due
>to that position.

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104. "100000%. Couldn't agree more."
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But this is a TV show, and I'm speaking exclusively about the specific scenario between Daniels and McNulty on that TV show. Not making any kind of commentary about the real life big picture.

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113. "RE: 100000%. Couldn't agree more."
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>But this is a TV show, and I'm speaking exclusively about the
>specific scenario between Daniels and McNulty on that TV show.
>Not making any kind of commentary about the real life big
>picture.

It's a TV show but one of the writers was a real police officer and a lot of the show is based on his opinions and experiences.

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115. "Sure. But I don't think he had an underlying racial bias in his writing."
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McNulty was an equal opportunity asshole IMO. He was just as bad (maybe worse) to Rawls as he was to Daniels. Point being I think the OP's statement about his being worse to his black superiors than white ones is false.

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154. "I know McNulty is your hero but he's racist, most white men are."
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158. "Hey I think I'll be a flaming asshole for no reason © You"
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Re: your "hero" bullshit. People around here have a tough time having a normal, cordial conversation eh.

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96. "There were a gang of times he disrespected Daniels, like when they..."
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we're going on a raid and McNulty flat out said "I ain't going!", No way that scene plays out like that IRL lol

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100. "that was more abot the raid being bullshit than Daniels, though."
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but you're right. IRL he's on suspension for disobeying an order.


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114. "Regardless he was insubordinate multiple times."
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169. ""We're all pieces of shit when we're in your way" - Daniels"
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"Point taken" - McNulty

Rawls and them couldn't stand McNulty because he was an insubordinate dickhead who always thought he was the smartest guy in the room. Daniels happened to be his commanding officer. There's nothing about McNulty's character that would indicate he'd have shown Daniels any more respect if he was white.

  

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170. "Nothing."
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>There's nothing about McNulty's character that would
>indicate he'd have shown Daniels any more respect if he was
>white.

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266. "Its understandable for a white person to think this way."
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23. "In the Wire some of the black Baltimoreans talked like slaves..."
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"Omar be dead."

"He Police"

As a Baltimorean, I can say that even the hoodest of hood dudes don't talk like that. Simon and Pelecanos missed the mark there.

Streets won't let me chill.

  

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46. "I'm still looking for a 'knock-OH' lol"
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53. "was it supposed to be "Narco"?"
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as in Narcotics officer?

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60. "knocker as in door knocker...as in undercovers/task force"
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that ride in 'knocker cars' which are unmarked cars obtained by the PD to drive around and do their dir...I mean 'protect n serve' that the youth in Bmore learn to identify by the age of 8

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73. "ah. we call 'em Tactical officers here."
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no nickname for em. just dudes in dad jeans and ugly gymshoes, and backwards caps.


they don't look like cops at ALL </sarcasm>


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153. "In West Baltimore they called them drop "
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Vans or cars or something to do with drop, it's been about four years removed for me. But drop is the operative word. You never forget the sight of a SUV stopping in the middle of the street abruptly with six dudes with guns scrambling out and running at folks. The first minute is like some Tarantino standoff and is terrifying by design. Shit seems reckless with bystanders around when you know the spot is armed.

Taking shots in the dark/that's a bad call
Going straight for your head/ gotta saw it off

  

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155. "We call them "jump outs" here in Philly"
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At least dudes my age do. A bunch of dudes wearing hoodies and badges jumping out of unmarked Taurus' and running up on someone or a spot.

  

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156. "Marlo's pigeon coop"
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Never figured out if this was a Friday reference, or just some cornball idea some writer stuck in there. Marlo seemed like a psychopath that didn't like anything other than exerting his dominance over other dudes, yet he's up on the roof cuddling the little pigeon chicks to keep them warm.

  

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160. "Wrong place :("
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83. "Shit, I thought it was narcos all this time."
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86. "me too."
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27. "Dexter was just getting away with TOO much."
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I got sick of the near-misses with him getting caught...but not getting caught.

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32. "yep, it was ridiculous"
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37. "Like other folks, the McNulty story of season 5"
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that was just too far out for me.

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38. "no Breaking Bad? *ducks*"
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44. "Ducks ? Why"
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55. "Other than Jesse being a complete dipshit, "
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there's really nothing I didn't like about Breaking Bad.


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63. "Marie. Marie is what there is to dislike about BB"
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68. "I meant plotwise. EVERY character on BB was an asshole."
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Mike and Saul were the only people I liked. Everybody else was a loathesome person. Even Walt Jr.


( I could tolerate Gus, though.)






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76. "Fam I rode hard for Walt from start to finish"
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That show was the ultimate in living vicariously through the character, even more than Tony Soprano.

Walt held innately understandable and relatable motives from start to finish:

1. The desire to take care of his family after his demise
2. The desire to retain rightful credit for his brilliant work

Walt was routinely underestimated and someone others routinely exploited for their own gain. His partners bought him out for a pittance, capitalizing on his need for their gain and essentially being written out of their company history.

Moving onto Blue Sky, you had others trying to control what was essentially his IP, held him hostage, threatened him, and forced him into what amounted more or less to indentured servitude for, once again, a pittance compared to the true earnings potential of his recipe.

Walt was a prick to Pinkman to be sure, but for all the love Pinkman gets he was every bit the screw up Walt said he was. Further, so much of what he did to others was justified. It was kill or be killed time and again, up to and including Mike.

Not that he was perfect or anything; Brock was a breaking point. I lost it when he kidnapped his daughter but jumped back into the Heisenberg camp when I realized that he made that move to protect both her and Skyler.

Even after completing his heel turn he remained the most virtuous and righteous character in the entire show outside Pinkman and his two children.

  

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79. "I *did* want him to win. I agree with that part. "
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>That show was the ultimate in living vicariously through the
>character, even more than Tony Soprano.
>
>Walt held innately understandable and relatable motives from
>start to finish:
>
>1. The desire to take care of his family after his demise
>2. The desire to retain rightful credit for his brilliant
>work

Nah, I think by the time it all went to shit, he was just doing it for the rush. When he and Skyler were standing over that huge amount of money, he could've shut it down right then and there. But nope, he kept going AND that was when their personal relationship wen to shit.


>
>Walt was routinely underestimated and someone others routinely
>exploited for their own gain. His partners bought him out for
>a pittance, capitalizing on his need for their gain and
>essentially being written out of their company history.

absolutely. That was definitely part of his motivation.




>
>Moving onto Blue Sky, you had others trying to control what
>was essentially his IP, held him hostage, threatened him, and
>forced him into what amounted more or less to indentured
>servitude for, once again, a pittance compared to the true
>earnings potential of his recipe.
>
>Walt was a prick to Pinkman to be sure, but for all the love
>Pinkman gets he was every bit the screw up Walt said he was.
>Further, so much of what he did to others was justified. It
>was kill or be killed time and again, up to and including
>Mike.

Fair enough.

>
>Not that he was perfect or anything; Brock was a breaking
>point. I lost it when he kidnapped his daughter but jumped
>back into the Heisenberg camp when I realized that he made
>that move to protect both her and Skyler.

Yeah, that gets overlooked a lot.

>
>Even after completing his heel turn he remained the most
>virtuous and righteous character in the entire show outside
>Pinkman and his two children.

Nah, I think Mike and Saul ( ironically ) were the only decent people on the show. Mike was handling business. It never got personal with him. Same with Saul. Walt was doing a lot of morally ambiguous shit towards the end. Well, aside from the murders and drug trafficking, lol...


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84. "Mike was all business, but said business was immorality. "
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I don't think Mike being "all business, never personal" is sufficient to give him any moral standing whatsoever.

However, the more I think about it I think Mike and Walt are a wash at best on the morality tip as both men ultimately do their dirt out of love for their family.

SPOILER




If Mike's son doesn't get got back in Philly, I doubt Mike is anything more than a curmudgeonly parking attendant relative to everyone else in either show. His primary motive always boils down to his granddaughter.

  

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81. "I didn't like how Mike went out"
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He was always smart and careful, and then he just got sloppy as hell. It just didn't seem true to his character for him to be cool with Walt bringing him the bag, and to not be prepared for Walt to try to pull some shit on him. He didn't like Walt, didn't trust him at all, and wanted nothing to do with him.

Also, the way he magically just had to leave with no explanation and then was comfortable cuffing Walt to the radiator and leaving. Mike just was not that sloppy.

They slipped up a bit with him late in season 5A.

  

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85. "I think he was just old and tired."
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tired of all of it. That's why he just accepted his fate.


His last line was perfect.


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88. "Mike was on the run and at a significant disadvantage though"
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>He was always smart and careful, and then he just got sloppy
>as hell.

I'm not sure it's realistic for someone to bat 1.000 forever though and despite Mike directly telling Walt that he thinks Walt is dangerous, I think it can be very easy for a man as capable as Mike to underestimate a guy like Walt at a subconscious level.

Further, he was caught up at the time and actively wanted by the police. Remember, he bailed on his granddaughter of all people because they cops came after him at the park.

>It just didn't seem true to his character for him to
>be cool with Walt bringing him the bag, and to not be prepared
>for Walt to try to pull some shit on him. He didn't like
>Walt, didn't trust him at all, and wanted nothing to do with
>him.
>
>Also, the way he magically just had to leave with no
>explanation and then was comfortable cuffing Walt to the
>radiator and leaving. Mike just was not that sloppy

>They slipped up a bit with him late in season 5A.

I just don't see it. Mike was in a rare position of vulnerability and it's just unrealistic to expect him to be so on point during a rare moment of disadvantage. Conversely, the situation highly favored Walt's skill at improvising from a position of disadvantage. I think Mike's end was an accurate reflection of the strength of both men.

  

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49. "my only gripe with the Sopranos were the LONG haituses"
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I hated when they would take off a year before the next season. One time they came back on in the summer and it was a Christmas episode. Sht didn't make since.

And of course I will never like the open-end finale that happened.

Other than that, a GREAT show.

  

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50. "'Surveillance' in The Wire is parking 3 feet away from your suspects and..."
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...sticking a telephoto lens out your passenger window.

Their stakeouts were always mad blatant.

Like, you really don't see those two fools bobbing up and down on the roof snapping pictures DIRECTLY IN YOUR LINE OF VISION?

Really?

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59. "especially since they knew they were on to 'em."
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"they've always been on us...we just gotta be careful." - Avon

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62. "Dexter def in next or even 3rd tier below those two"
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prob on same level as a True Blood or Big Love, shows that started off promising and were a mess after a few seasons in.

  

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67. "I got a beef with Sons of Anarchy, AKA: Jax Teller, Mastermind"
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Not that SOA is anywhere near The Sopranos/The Wire/BB level of television or anything.

That said, for a show racked with flaws, my biggest gripe by far is how they made Jax basically the greatest criminal mastermind of all time. Every plot seemed to tie up with Jax pulling a brilliant double cross.....which was then followed immediately by another double cross. Or a hidden, unexpected ally lying in wait to save the day.

Granted it's been a minute since I finished the show but I just remember one long, drawn out plan with a ridiculous number of moving parts after another going off without a hitch.

Hesinberg had his share of "WTF, is he a superhero now?" moments but the man was legitimately of genius level intellect and that intellect was practically a character unto itself that formed the foundation of the very premise of the show.

But Jax? One or two of those I could buy but it just seemed like everything he did was a multi-faceted "Oceans" type plan that always worked out just fine.

Second to that is all the highway shootouts with absolutely no consequences. Does this take place in the state of San Andreas? Was Rockstar Games a silent investor or something? I enjoy the suspension of disbelief, but at least *try* to create some plausibility here and there.

  

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69. "Fuck everybody on that show, man. "
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>Not that SOA is anywhere near The Sopranos/The Wire/BB level
>of television or anything.
>
>That said, for a show racked with flaws, my biggest gripe by
>far is how they made Jax basically the greatest criminal
>mastermind of all time. Every plot seemed to tie up with Jax
>pulling a brilliant double cross.....which was then followed
>immediately by another double cross. Or a hidden, unexpected
>ally lying in wait to save the day.

Dude. He NEVER kept his word on ANY deal they ever made.


>
>Granted it's been a minute since I finished the show but I
>just remember one long, drawn out plan with a ridiculous
>number of moving parts after another going off without a
>hitch.

It went off the rails in about S4.


>
>Hesinberg had his share of "WTF, is he a superhero now?"
>moments but the man was legitimately of genius level intellect
>and that intellect was practically a character unto itself
>that formed the foundation of the very premise of the show.

True. And after he got hooked on it, that makes sense on how he just kept seeing how far he could go.


>
>But Jax? One or two of those I could buy but it just seemed
>like everything he did was a multi-faceted "Oceans" type plan
>that always worked out just fine.

Right.

>
>Second to that is all the highway shootouts with absolutely no
>consequences. Does this take place in the state of San
>Andreas? Was Rockstar Games a silent investor or something? I
>enjoy the suspension of disbelief, but at least *try* to
>create some plausibility here and there.

MAD guns and shootouts. They always did a day in lockup, and went home.


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91. "SOA is the rare show that turns me into a TV snob"
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Every person I know who raves about Sons but hasn't- and won't- watched a single ep of Sopranos or The Wire leaves me with a feeling of "well, that makes sense".

It's lesser show by every conceivable measure and it's baffling to me when people can't love it while also admitting the ridiculously flawed nature of it from head to toe.

My general stance on individual taste in all artistic mediums is each their own, live and let live, but for some reason Sons in particular always brought out the snob within. I'm like YO... you won't fuck with Battlestar Galactica (the reboot) because you presuppose it to be some shallow scifi nerdgasm despite being one of the more thoughtful and profound shows of it's time but you think this is fire without a single ounce of criticism?

  

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92. "people who won't even *try* "The Wire" are assholes."
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>Every person I know who raves about Sons but hasn't- and
>won't- watched a single ep of Sopranos or The Wire leaves me
>with a feeling of "well, that makes sense".
>


I work with a few guys like that. They think it's some kind of hood cop show. I've explained to them a zillion times that ot's WAAY deeper than that. I've sent them links to articles that call it one of the best shows of all time. Nope. They still aren't buying in. I finally got ONE dude to watch it, and he came back telling me it was one of the greatest shows he's ever seen. The rest of 'em? fuck em. ( Personally, I think it's harder to get whitefolx to watch it. )


>It's lesser show by every conceivable measure and it's
>baffling to me when people can't love it while also admitting
>the ridiculously flawed nature of it from head to toe.


Say that shit again.


>
>My general stance on individual taste in all artistic mediums
>is each their own, live and let live, but for some reason Sons
>in particular always brought out the snob within. I'm like
>YO... you won't fuck with Battlestar Galactica (the reboot)
>because you presuppose it to be some shallow scifi nerdgasm
>despite being one of the more thoughtful and profound shows of
>it's time but you think this is fire without a single ounce of
>criticism?


I had to struggle through the last two season of "Sons". It just got ridiculous.

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94. "If you shut off your brain and just roll with the soapyness "
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It becomes a surprisingly fun "who gives a fuck? more cowbell!" sort of ride.

Once I accepted it for the absurd soap opera it became I genuinely enjoyed it.

  

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111. "So annoying."
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>I work with a few guys like that. They think it's some kind of
>hood cop show. I've explained to them a zillion times that
>ot's WAAY deeper than that. I've sent them links to articles
>that call it one of the best shows of all time. Nope. They
>still aren't buying in. I finally got ONE dude to watch it,
>and he came back telling me it was one of the greatest shows
>he's ever seen. The rest of 'em? fuck em. ( Personally, I
>think it's harder to get whitefolx to watch it. )

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109. "I religiously hatewatched SOA"
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with it's constant 100 minute episodes with bro-hugs, and montages of Peg Bundy cover songs while, watching Jax kill 30 people then hugging his kids while working on his bike. how they could never let him lose a fight ever. dangling the story of his father no one cared about for 6 seasons, and letting him go out like Jesus

My favorite were the GTA side missions that would never have anything to do with the main story, where the guys would go off and and mix it up with some peckerwoods to get medicine for Happy's grandma, or save some working girls from their abusive pimp. Because Sutter wanted to show us these guys may do bad things but contrast them with people who were really bad. it's complex!

i could go on forever on that pile of shit show. i loved it.

  

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118. "Or family breakfast at The Clubhouse"
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> Because Sutter wanted to show us these guys may
>do bad things but contrast them with people who were really
>bad. it's complex!
>

FOH, SOA.


>i could go on forever on that pile of shit show. i loved it.
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142. "JAX's SLIPPING ACCENT"
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by the last season, he wasn't even trying

  

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265. "i liked the first few seasons, the later seasons not so much"
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best part of the later seasons was coming to OKP to read the reviews.

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75. "They all work as allegories - none were documentaries "
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But they all worked in what they were trying to do:

The Sopranos got you to empathize with some of the biggest scumbags on the plant.

The Wire tried to get you to see their is a different version of the "official" story.

Dexter wanted to get your dick hard while people were murdered.


Dexter isn't remotely in the same league as the other 2.

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78. "Honest question: did you read the premise of the post?"
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82. "Yup, you want a bitch fest"
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I am above that - but I also can not not post.

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89. "Cool story. It was a perfectly reasonable question. "
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There is literally 100% more hostility and agenda in your post than there was in mine.

have fun with that.

  

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77. "Method Man in the Wire...smh"
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87. "LL was just as bad."
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97. "LL? "
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99. "Shit...I was thinking of LL's role on "Oz" My bad.."
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102. "I'm finishing an Oz re-watch as we speak. I hated Jiggy Walker. "
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But the character itself was actually a stroke of storytelling brilliance:

Said thought he had a trump card to play but unwittingly gave governor Devlin a sorely needed win that perfectly showcased what a stone-cold political gangster he really was while both humbling and severely diminishing Said's credibility in one fell swoop.

Then they followed up two episodes later with Said upping the ante by refusing Devlin's pardon, which was one hell of a counterpunch.

  

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122. "that last season was brutal, though..."
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and the finale? One of the worst I've ever seen.


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126. "I'm not sure we can discuss this sans fisticuffs. I'm an Oz apologist"
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Start to finish lmao.

I fully embrace absolutely everything about it. Even Jazz Hoyt seeing devils.

  

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134. "LOLOLOL!!! I understand. I get defensive about "LOST""
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shitty ass shittty ass ending...

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140. "both awful last seasons and endings"
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both of you need to stop defending that garbage lol

  

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145. "I'm telling Cyril O'Rielly you slapped his new mama"
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It's about to be over for you playboy!

  

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150. "WE HAVE TO GO BACK, KATE!!!!!!!"
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>both of you need to stop defending that garbage lol

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146. "Lost as a whole left me ridiculously frustrated. "
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I'm not sure I've ever been so invested in a group of characters in my life.

I'm not one who views that last season as awful or anything, but when I view the show as a whole from start to finish I'm left with so much angst and frustration. I have wildly conflicting feelings on Lost. I'd be cool with that ending without the creatively generic climax to the whole island portion of events.

  

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149. "I was locked in until the alternate timeline stuff."
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that's when it all went off the rails.


I saw it through till the end, and it's still one of my favorite shows, but yeah.


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178. "i loved the first two seasons"
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after that, they would introduce weird thing after weird thing and then never explain it.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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179. "Unresolved supblots were the worst part of that show."
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all that shit with Walt that we NEVER found out about.


All that shit about why Aaron was supposed to be special.


What was Libby's deal?


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95. "^^^^"
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187. "did they not write him in as Prop Joe's nephew until SEason 3"
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90. "Breaking Bad was miles above Dexter."
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106. "I could add a few more"
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Game of Thrones
Boardwalk Empire
Homeland


are all clearly better imo. overall I like Dexter, but there are better shows.

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108. "Boardwalk Empire is wholly underrated."
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What a great show. Slow burn like Better Call Saul but insane writing and great acting.

Season 2 was amazing but the whole show impressed.

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117. "It was a great show"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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119. "GREAT show. From top to bottom."
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121. "Game of Thrones is in my Top Five of all time."
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*Edit*

I just watched "Battle of The Bastards" again last night. Best ep of the series...


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128. "Hardhome is my favorite"
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but yeah, botb is hard to argue against.

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141. "When the Night King was all "Come at me, Bro.." YES!!!"
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93. "Ive never even watched Dexter, waiting for it to come on netflix."
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110. "Well damn"
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137. "Caught it last year and dropped out after Season 5"
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on the advice of just about everyone telling me to drop out after Season 4.

Season 4 is flames though

good show. no where near the level of the other two, or BB or a bunch of others

  

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103. "one of these are not like the other....(pssst. it's Dexter)"
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but anyway, I tried to go back and watch the Sopranos and I actually found it kind of hard because they were waaaay worst people than I remember. Not by a little but by a lot.

I don't think I noticed it because as you are watching it you are hoping that characters would eventually become better people. Especially, Tony. or his kids.

But when you see it to the end you realize that they will continue to be garbage people.

Hard to watch something for so long without the people changing (Still love the ending though).



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107. "Likewise."
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>(Still love the ending though).

The fact that we're still curious about it / talking about it 10 years later is proof of its brilliance. Whether you loved it or hated it you felt something and still talk about it.

I loved how it resulted in conspiracy theories and investigations (there was, and probably still is, a website with like a 30,000 word, frame-by-frame investigation into why the guy thinks Tony was killed). And I just find that strategy to have been far more interesting than just your cookie-cutter, tie up all loose ends finale which no one ever cares about or remembers.

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124. "I heard about it before I saw it. "
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>>(Still love the ending though).
>
>The fact that we're still curious about it / talking about it
>10 years later is proof of its brilliance. Whether you loved
>it or hated it you felt something and still talk about it.
>
>I loved how it resulted in conspiracy theories and
>investigations (there was, and probably still is, a website
>with like a 30,000 word, frame-by-frame investigation into why
>the guy thinks Tony was killed). And I just find that strategy
>to have been far more interesting than just your
>cookie-cutter, tie up all loose ends finale which no one ever
>cares about or remembers.


Nobody told me what happened ( or didn't happen), but I was kind of waiting for something weird. It was a great ending though.



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123. "people forget how rotten Carmella *really* was."
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>but anyway, I tried to go back and watch the Sopranos and I
>actually found it kind of hard because they were waaaay worst
>people than I remember. Not by a little but by a lot.
>
>But when you see it to the end you realize that they will
>continue to be garbage people.
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125. "Oh I never fucking forget. Ha"
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She was one of my least favorite characters, easily.

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127. "To this day if I see someone do this, I lost it a little bit. "
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http://www.brightideasmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/carmela_wave.gif

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129. "UGGGHHHHHH"
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Now I'll have the same goddamn complex. I totally forgot about that. With the stupid ass look on her face too.

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131. "Charmaine got sweet revenge for that too"
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136. "I HATE that."
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130. "her and Janice and Ralphie were the worst"
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Christopher was pretty bad too. I couldn't stand AJ either. There were a lot of horrible people on that show.

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132. "No one was worse than Janice"
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148. "She legit spikes my anxiety levels when she's on screen"
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I can't even imagine the horrible, insufferable shrew who must have served as the template for her.

  

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133. "Janice was my least favorite in the whole series."
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Just because she brought nothing at all to the table. A lot of other characters (most of them, in fact) were atrocious human beings but brought humor (intentional or unintentional) or moments of humanity or SOMETHING. Janice never brought a single thing to the table. No value. Just an awful human.

>Christopher was pretty bad too.

He's one of those I reference above who had a few redeeming qualities/moments that made me not LOATHE him like, say, Janice. Haha.


>I couldn't stand AJ either.

Yea AJ was just the chubby harmless kid the first few seasons but once he hit puberty he was insufferable.


>There were a lot of horrible people on that show.

You mentioned Ralphie too, who as terrible as he was at least provided some of those comic relief moments I mentioned above. He was funny. It was the writing and what's his name's acting the part that made it. Dude was great in that role.
But yea as a person Ralphie was arguably the biggest piece of shit of all of them. Type of dude if he really existed no one would like him. He's only funny cause he's on TV. Know what I mean

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138. "Christopher was just... frustrating lol"
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but a fantastic character

I thought Janice was a great character too. as much as i hated her

  

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139. "Oh agreed entirely."
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>RE: Christopher was just... frustrating lol
>but a fantastic character
>
>I thought Janice was a great character too. as much as i hated
>her

Both great characters. I think both were made the way they were by design. Janice was supposed to be the insufferable, do-nothing, always-got-her-hands-out sister and Christopher was supposed to be the eternally frustrating but at times lovable heir-to-the-throne nephew. It's a credit to the writing that I feel the way I do about them. Haha.

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144. "I maybe misremembering but I felt like Christopher was the last"
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decent person standing. I guess until co-signing the death of his woman.



>but a fantastic character
>
>I thought Janice was a great character too. as much as i hated
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147. "I agree with that actually. There's an emotional push/pull there"
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More than any other character we get to witness how he was bred into this, how so much of who he is was due to (lack of) nurture than nature. He didn’t have much to work with upstairs but the yearning of his creative angst showed a side of what he could have been had he been born outside of this thing.
We also got to see an actual struggle with his addiction, where he’d fight and try to kick his habits only to be undermined in the midst of those efforts while essentially being spit on at the same time.

Tony’s struggles were generally rooted in trying to gain an upper hand over an adversary while Christopher battled real demons.

I think the most admirable trait of Christopher, at least in the context of the world in which these guys live, is that he was the one guy who seemed to make an effort to live out the code of what they do. He called out Tony several times when Tony would bend or break the rules of their thing and lived by that code even when faced with staggering personal loss.

So despite having few truly virtuous qualities Christopher still represented arguably the most completely human portrait of a mobster within that world. Where others, such as Johnny Sack, had a few moments that showcased their human vulnerability, Christopher seemed to showcase that vulnerability from start to finish. There were a couple of times in the series where he gives a glimmer of hope that he might turn a corner, but he never does. We got the vulnerability from Tony in certain respects but things seem to always go back to his selfishness and greed and he never comes across as a decent person in any respect that isn’t calculated to benefit him in some way.

  

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135. "Janice....what a POS."
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161. "Marlo's pigeon coop"
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Never figured out if this was a Friday reference, or just some cornball idea some writer stuck in there. Marlo seemed like a psychopath that didn't like anything other than exerting his dominance over other dudes, yet he's up on the roof cuddling the little pigeon chicks to keep them warm.

  

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162. "The same could be said for Mike Tyson..."
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>Never figured out if this was a Friday reference, or just
>some cornball idea some writer stuck in there. Marlo seemed
>like a psychopath that didn't like anything other than
>exerting his dominance over other dudes, yet he's up on the
>roof cuddling the little pigeon chicks to keep them warm.
>

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163. "the hwhite people love, the accents, and the sister, respectively"
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164. "after years of morality, they turn meadow into just another mob wife"
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165. "nah that's not really true. dude wasn't a mobster"
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he was Patsy's kid but he wasn't Jackie Aprile status. he was a lawyer (or law student)

probably perfect for her because he wasn't int he game, but understood it. kind of like her.

  

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166. "I thought he was on his way into a mob fam and Meadow approving"
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and now making excuses for the mob "Theyre there to give italians justice that the other law doesnt" or something like that

so thats what she was going to do..continue law for representing those in the mob(?)..I forget

either way..its testament


>he was Patsy's kid but he wasn't Jackie Aprile status. he was
>a lawyer (or law student)
>
>probably perfect for her because he wasn't int he game, but
>understood it. kind of like her.

  

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167. "according to this he might be a bit dirtier than i remember"
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http://sopranos.wikia.com/wiki/Patrick_Parisi

Patrick Parisi is the son of Roberta Feliciano and Patsy Parisi, and the older brother of Jason Parisi. He is the nephew of Phillip Parisi. He is mentioned only in passing, but it is revealed that Patrick was Meadow Soprano's recurring "mystery date", and that the two have been dating since the premiere of Cleaver. Tony and Carmela both have reservations about Patrick for reasons that are not disclosed, to which Meadow responds that he has changed. It is implied that he is studying or practicing law. In the series finale, Meadow announces her engagement to Patrick. Tony suggests that he has a frat party for him and his friends at the Bada Bing and to invite AJ. When he hears news about AJ's separation with his girlfriend he is pleased saying, "I'm glad he switched back over to the other side." He is in the episodes: "The Second Coming" and "Made In America".

  

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175. "Meadow was never much of a moral compass."
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She was a bright student who constantly ranted and raved while standing on a soap box paid for with blood money. This is exemplified by her exchange with Fin, who actually- finally, thankfully- checks her on her “poverty of the mezzogiorno” nonsense.

Like nearly every character in the show, she’s hyper-defensive about the way her family and Italian heritage is perceived, particularly when confronted with the reality of their actions. Meadow brushes off Fin’s fear of Vito as though she has no clue what these guys are really about or how they make their money.

She refers to “certain methods of conflict resolution” when discussing how and why the mafia was formed, as though that has any real parallel to the violent, greedy criminal enterprise run by her father and his associates.

Earlier in the series she’s a kid, not entirely sure of the ramifications of what Tony does and, as a kid so far removed from such a reality probably would, feels uncomfortable with that reality.

Her “years of morality” were really nothing more than the ignorance of childhood, followed by willful ignorance of a young adult, followed by tacit acceptance and, ultimately, defense as a grown woman. As she grows up and gains more knowledge of both sides of that fence she likewise begins to rationalize everything that paints them in a negative light.

It’s a pretty realistic arc. Had she ever had any real moral fiber I’d agree with you here, but she never really does. While she has a definitive arc, the core of Meadow Soprano from start to finish is simply a spoiled, pretentious brat.

In terms of practicing law, she was passionate about defending the poor and persecuted. She was particularly defensive of Muslims who were being unfairly targeted. In terms of becoming a lawyer there wasn’t much of an indication that her motive was to defend mobsters and Patrick seemed to be on the straight and narrow by that point. He certainly wasn’t a threat when Meadow was accosted in the restaurant by one of the New York goons.

  

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180. "agreed on all of this"
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makes me wonder how she would have turned out, given that Tony is most likely dead, and she most likely witnessed it.

  

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168. "The Wire - Criminals too efficient"
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They really made government look un-effecient and bad, which I'm fine with.

But they made the crime side of it way too efficient and organized - until they aren't. Seems like a libertarian's wet dream.

The street operations went way too smoothly - and then when management got into issues it remained too much like a normal business.

Pop off to Prop Joe? Should be killed very quickly. Not here.

Omar should have been killed much earlier - he was slipping a lot more than going to the store in his robe.

Marlo was too good to be real - the co-op should have turned on him - and when appointed Cheese as a boss the rest of the co-op should have tossed them both out.



One other issue:
When Marlo kills Devoone it was so overly stylized to not fit in with the rest of the tone of the series.

One in each tit, then in the mouth without the head exploding or blood everywhere, just smoke?? I mean, no recoil? It was like someone wanted to make a "cool looking murder."

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172. "I think that was the point, though."
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>But they made the crime side of it way too efficient and
>organized - until they aren't. Seems like a libertarian's wet
>dream.
>
>The street operations went way too smoothly - and then when
>management got into issues it remained too much like a normal
>business.
>

When they showed the dipshits within the Barksdale organization ( taking notes during the meetings, beating up dudes over small amounts of cash, running their mouths off the their girlfriends, etc) it showed how they weren't perfect.

Also, the whole dynamic between Stringer and Avon over the years brought it all to a head. Stringer had found a way to legitimize the whole thing, but Avon was happier being a street dude.

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173. "yeah, Avon knew his lane"
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that's why this is still one of my favorite scenes of the whole series
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174. "One of the best scenes in the whole series."
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204. "WHAT I TELL YOU ABOUT PLAYING AWAY GAMES? "
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bruh.. that line is so tough.

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181. "Day of the Jackal!!! LOL."
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That scene also had the line, "you too good for this street stuff, but not smart enough to run with those dudes" type of line right?


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182. "that was a different scene"
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"You know the difference between me and you? I bleed red and you bleed green. I look at you these days, String, you know what I see? I see a man without a country. Not hard enough for this right here and maybe, just maybe, not smart enough for them out there."

it was what pushed String to tell Avon he did D'Angelo, on some "Somebody had to do it"

  

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186. "How was Marlo so powerful with an army of 2"
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chris and snoop.

  

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268. "Marlo had a gang of people those 2 were the ones with major roles..."
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>chris and snoop.

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267. "yeah they did make Omar out to be somewhat of a mythical hero...."
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he'd just walk by in his bathrobe by himself and drug dealers would drop their drugs out the window lol

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183. "RE: things you didn't like about THe Wire,Sorpranos and Dexter??"
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>thinking about 3 of the Greatest shows to emerge over the
>past 20 years
>and what was it about them that you didn't like?
>
>if anything


Almost everything for both The Wire and Sopranos. It would be easier to list the small amount of good things.

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184. "Oookkkkkkkkkkkk"
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>Almost everything for both The Wire and Sopranos. It would be
>easier to list the small amount of good things.

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189. "there's always one, ain't it?"
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191. "wat"
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192. "Yeah"
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The dockworkers they are just stealing and selling drugs because the work is gone. Rawls has soft spot for McNulty when Kimah is shot, but Bird, Chris, Marlo...etc cold blooded killers.

What's the background on Namonds mother ? How did Bird, Marlo and Chris turn into killers.

I know people here worship the show with the "Ooookkk" and "has to be one" comments but it's ok to question tv shows that you like.

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193. "i'm not above questioning, but to say you didn't like almost everything"
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seems like a strange opinion of anyone who watched the show(s).

  

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195. "right."
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>seems like a strange opinion of anyone who watched the
>show(s).


I don't think he did, actually. Some of his replies don't make sense.

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198. "wrong"
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>>seems like a strange opinion of anyone who watched the
>>show(s).
>
>
>I don't think he did, actually. Some of his replies don't make
>sense.
>
>

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202. "i WAS specific, but here goes:"
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>Be specific


The dockworkers they are just stealing and selling drugs because the work is gone.

How does that NOT make sense? Why do you think people set up businesses in economically challenged neighborhoods as fronts for drugs? Because they're buying and selling products that are guaranteed to make money when the legitimate businesses DON'T. The docks had dried up, so the workers had to make money any way they could.






Rawls has soft spot for McNulty when Kimah is shot, but Bird, Chris, Marlo...etc cold blooded killers.

The Rawls and McNulty thing had NOTHING to do with Bird, Chris and Marlo. Like I said Rawls never met those guys. As far as him having a soft spot for McNulty, that's definitely not true. He HATED McNulty. He even SAID it in that scene. That was about him not wanting McNulty to feel guilt or remose for Kima being shot. Because it wasn't his fault.

You wrote that like Rawls was nice to McNulty but mean to Bird, Christ, and Marlo ( who again, he had NO personal interaction with).


What's the background on Namonds mother ? How did Bird, Marlo and Chris turn into killers.

I answered that in the other post. Short answer? They're *literally* products of their environment. Kids who grow up in the criminal environment sometimes become criminals.


(I still hold the opinion that you've never really seen the show.)

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234. "Not really but since you are now"
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>
>>Be specific
>
>
>The dockworkers they are just stealing and selling drugs
>because the work is gone.
>
>How does that NOT make sense? Why do you think people set up
>businesses in economically challenged neighborhoods as fronts
>for drugs? Because they're buying and selling products that
>are guaranteed to make money when the legitimate businesses
>DON'T. The docks had dried up, so the workers had to make
>money any way they could.
>
>

Didn't say that because I believe it doesn't make sense, I said that because they made the white characters more sympathetic vs the Black characters I mentioned. They were stealing before the dock dried up even if they didn't sell drugs.

>
>

>
> Rawls has soft spot for McNulty when Kimah is shot, but Bird,
>Chris, Marlo...etc cold blooded killers.

Same as above I used that example to show how even someone like Rawls was given more than one dimension unlike the Black characters I named were not.

>The Rawls and McNulty thing had NOTHING to do with Bird, Chris
>and Marlo. Like I said Rawls never met those guys. As far as
>him having a soft spot for McNulty, that's definitely not
>true. He HATED McNulty. He even SAID it in that scene. That
>was about him not wanting McNulty to feel guilt or remose for
>Kima being shot. Because it wasn't his fault.

Yeah and it doesn't fit, he hated McNulty but he was worried about his guilt. I already explained the never met stuff up above.

>You wrote that like Rawls was nice to McNulty but mean to
>Bird, Christ, and Marlo ( who again, he had NO personal
>interaction with).
>

No I wrote about how the Rawls character was presented to the audience and how Bird, Chris and Marlo was presented.

> What's the background on Namonds mother ? How did Bird, Marlo
>and Chris turn into killers.
>
>I answered that in the other post. Short answer? They're
>*literally* products of their environment. Kids who grow up in
>the criminal environment sometimes become criminals.
>

This is the greatest show of all time and the reason these recurring characters are killing so many people is the criminal environment that causes kids to become criminals. That doesn't sound like lazy writing to you ? We are not talking about extras, I can understand using that when Bunny wanted to show the Professor something but this is the standard for a character like Marlo ?

>(I still hold the opinion that you've never really seen the
>show.)

The show was not hard to see, let go of that. If I didn't watch it it I would say that. I didn't watch any of Dexter.

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196. "^ beat me to it."
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>RE: i'm not above questioning, but to say you didn't like almost everything
>seems like a strange opinion of anyone who watched the
>show(s).

Just say "I don't like TV"

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199. "Not as strange as people who worship the show"
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>seems like a strange opinion of anyone who watched the
>show(s).

It's people on the site who watch the who series more than once.

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208. "bruh, you asking some dumb ass questions in here"
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220. "Bruh not my fault yall basic"
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229. "http://i.imgur.com/yutRrqm.gif"
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http://i.imgur.com/yutRrqm.gif

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212. "Oh no!"
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People did something they enjoyed, then did it again. Worship!

>It's people on the site who watch the who series more than
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214. "if only they created a format to watch stuff twice."
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or better yet, what if you could BUY a show you liked, just so you could watch it multiple times!!!!


Nah, I'm a dreamer.


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219. "this man only listen to albums one time"
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I bet this nigga goes off the rails when a DJ plays that beat back.


I WANT MY MONEY BACK

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239. "An episode or album"
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is one thing but the whole series, 5 seasons more than 4 times.

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222. "People always watch a whole series more than 4 times"
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Nothing to see here over and over and over.

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225. "do you listen to albums you love more than 4 times? "
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242. "Is an album 60 hours long ?"
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These people calling this show the greatest show on tv are not watching one episode.

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245. "Some folks enjoy the wire as much as you enjoy arguing over the internet"
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different strokes, man.

  

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247. "I don't worship arguing over the internet"
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I just disagree with people from time to time.

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248. "based on your weird definition of worship, yes you do. "
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249. "Staying with that huh"
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I have a little over a thousand post and I signed up in 2011, you have 31,000 and you are a charter member. You really want to say I like arguing on the internet as much as people on this site like the wire, when you can say,people like the wire as much as you love Okayplayer boards.

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250. "950 of your 1000 posts are of you arguing "
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Likely more than i have out of 30,000

  

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251. "Nah links and comments"
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okayplayer is your bubble not mine.

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252. "ok, so 920"
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253. "Even 1000 is not even close to 31,000 post "
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256. "still arguing about nothing"
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for some reason you think posting = bickering about shit. I guess because that's your thing here. I've spent a very miniscule % of my time on okp on pointless back and forths like this one.

  

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257. "No argument we agree you have over 31,000 post"
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>for some reason you think posting = bickering about shit. I
>guess because that's your thing here. I've spent a very
>miniscule % of my time on okp on pointless back and forths
>like this one.

LOL your time on a message board was more productive because you didn't argue.

You could be the yes man and lap dog for everyone on the site 31,000 is still too much. Take a break.

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259. "see what I mean?"
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260. "Walk outside get some fresh air"
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261. "it's like you can't help yourself "
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262. "A break does not mean"
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watch Season 1-5 of the Wire again.

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263. "can I whine about people who like it and share think pieces?"
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264. "No you tube either"
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194. "I don't think you've ever watched the show."
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>The dockworkers they are just stealing and selling drugs
>because the work is gone. Rawls has soft spot for McNulty when
>Kimah is shot, but Bird, Chris, Marlo...etc cold blooded
>killers.
>

What does one have to do with the other? Rawls never met Bird chris and Marlo. Maybe it's your wording, but there's no relationship there.


> What's the background on Namonds mother ?

She was Wee-Bey's common law wife. What backstory? There's people in that situation every day?

How did Bird,
>Marlo and Chris turn into killers. They're from the corner boy culture. Did you ever see the show? Seriously. What don't you understand? Chris and Bird were muscle, they'd been locked up before. They've been in the criminal justice system for part of their lives.. Their bosses had a lot of money, and needed trigger men. Who better than a criminal?


>
>I know people here worship the show with the "Ooookkk" and
>"has to be one" comments but it's ok to question tv shows that
>you like.

It's not about worshipping the show. "The Wire" has been widely recognized as one of the greatest TV shows of all time. This isn't a cult classic we're talking about.

You implied that there wasn't much quality on the show, and you're clearly wrong there.

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197. "Where were Monk's parents? Why did Marlo have a golf club?"
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NO ONE EXPLAINED THAT!!

  

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215. "Why didn't Mynoriti make it to the A-list ?"
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227. "well, that was weird "
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232. "He's got a lot of fight in him. Ya GOTTA give him THAT much."
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206. "how this nigga go from Rawls to Chris and Bird? the fuck?"
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210. "Easy"
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White characters vs Black characters.

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216. "white vs Black huh? "
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what the fuck are you asking tho?

Why is a white police officer acting different than kids from the street who grew up around violence?

I mean.. break it down because you are asking why characters aren't the same which would seem obvious.

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228. "White character vs Black characters"
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and the way they are portrayed. The writing, the background. If this the typical cops drugs and criminal show I expect the weak writing, but when people say it's the greatest show of all time they gotta more right ?

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241. "Man... wtf. "
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244. "tf"
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http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2008/02/26/sociologists-critique-the-wire/


Yet, for me, the piece that’s missing both from The Wire and from Cook’s analysis is the complicity, and sometimes quite overt racism, of whites (and a handful of elite blacks, like the character of Senator Clive Davis) who have created and benefit from the policies that have decimated urban centers. For example, while there are passing references to state-level politics and even a passing reference to an ill-willed (supposedly white) Republican governor, there’s never any exploration of the connection between the racism inherent in much of the “war on drugs” and the kind of devastation of inner-city Baltimore. Where is the white counterpart to the Senator Clive Davis character? Where, for instance, is the Grover Norquist or the Karl Rove or even, the Nelson Rockefeller? Within the context of The Wire, the “war on drugs” simply exists a priori and the show explores the consequences of such a policy on many of the residents of Baltimore. That said, it’s a mighty fine exploration and certainly worth watching.

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255. "it's America tho"
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I never understood the racism think pieces about The Wire. No shit. It's an urban city in the NE. Of course there is going to be racism and heavy handed writing when it comes to Black characters. However, I think it also showed how shitty white police, politicians were in Baltimore.

I don't think anyone looked good on that show and that was the point.

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258. "LOL yes it is"
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>I never understood the racism think pieces about The Wire. No
>shit. It's an urban city in the NE. Of course there is going
>to be racism and heavy handed writing when it comes to Black
>characters. However, I think it also showed how shitty white
>police, politicians were in Baltimore.

It's called the greatest show that was on TV. I expect Hill Street Blues and the movie Colors to use the cookie cutter, business as usual stereotypes,lazy writing...etc. but when the cult calls it realistic and accurate, those who were in charge of the show back then should've put in the effort.

>I don't think anyone looked good on that show and that was the
>point.
>
>

Nah some look worse, they didn't even skim the surface of how shitty white police and politicians are in any police department or urban city.

Here is a think piece without the racism from someone who loves the show.

http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2014/11/every-flaw-on-hbos-the-wire/mcnultys-bleeding-heart

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"please."


          

>White characters vs Black characters.
>
>I really have to write out everything and connect the dots.


Yes. Because I'm not even seeing the dots.

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213. "I'm on the verge of letting him borrow my DVD's, fam."
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just so he can watch the shit.


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217. "fam, he would prolly put them in his CD player"
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this nigga came in late, loud and wrong.

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221. "said some 'un-clap-to-able' shit, and got caught."
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>this nigga came in late, loud and wrong.
>
>



I've NEVER heard anybody say The Wire was a bad or poorly written show.


like, EVER.

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223. "bitching about people watching it twice is amazing"
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231. "bitching about people watching a *critically accaimed* show twice"
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but yeah.


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240. "Right, you really believe "
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the people who worship this show only watched it twice ?

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243. "I don't care how many times someone watched a show they love"
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246. "You don't have to care"
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to doubt or believe someone watched a show they worship more than 2 times.

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237. "This is not a show"
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>>this nigga came in late, loud and wrong.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>I've NEVER heard anybody say The Wire was a bad or poorly
>written show.
>
>
>like, EVER.
>
>

It's a message board, let go of the performing and always on thing.

If you never heard it nobody else can say it.

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236. "Only"
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>this nigga came in late, loud and wrong.
>
>

to people who are simple

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218. "You mean they can leave your vault ?"
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Will the world still exist ?

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226. "for YOU, I'd make an execption."
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It's required viewing. Check it out from S1 the next time we have a three day weekend.


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238. "I'll do you one better"
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>It's required viewing. Check it out from S1 the next time we
>have a three day weekend.
>
>
>

Here is a few people who love the show but they can talk about it without blinders.

http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2008/02/26/sociologists-critique-the-wire/


http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2014/11/every-flaw-on-hbos-the-wire/

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207. "RE: I don't think you've ever watched the show."
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>>The dockworkers they are just stealing and selling drugs
>>because the work is gone. Rawls has soft spot for McNulty
>when
>>Kimah is shot, but Bird, Chris, Marlo...etc cold blooded
>>killers.
>>
>
>What does one have to do with the other? Rawls never met Bird
>chris and Marlo. Maybe it's your wording, but there's no
>relationship there.


Character development, background, motives. Did you know as little about Frank Sobotka and his motives as the people I mentioned ?

>
>> What's the background on Namonds mother ?
>
>She was Wee-Bey's common law wife. What backstory? There's
>people in that situation every day?
>

Everyday people are extras in what is suppose to be the greatest show of all time you don't have one dimensional recurring characters if you are Simon the greatest of all time.

> How did Bird,
>>Marlo and Chris turn into killers. They're from the corner
>boy culture. Did you ever see the show? Seriously. What don't
>you understand? Chris and Bird were muscle, they'd been locked
>up before. They've been in the criminal justice system for
>part of their lives.. Their bosses had a lot of money, and
>needed trigger men. Who better than a criminal?
>

They doesn't match the credit this thread and the people in it are giving the show if that's all it is to the character. I know it's not ok to disagree with anything about the Wire, but the show will not crumble if someone is critical.

>>
>>I know people here worship the show with the "Ooookkk" and
>>"has to be one" comments but it's ok to question tv shows
>that
>>you like.
>
>It's not about worshipping the show. "The Wire" has been
>widely recognized as one of the greatest TV shows of all time.
>This isn't a cult classic we're talking about.
>

It's worshiping. You know people exist who like the GOAT show but still offer criticism.

>You implied that there wasn't much quality on the show, and
>you're clearly wrong there.
>

No you made that assumption, I answered the OP's question.

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224. "your EXACT words:"
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>>You implied that there wasn't much quality on the show, and
>>you're clearly wrong there.
>>
>
>No you made that assumption, I answered the OP's question.
>


a direct quote:

"Almost everything for both The Wire and Sopranos. It would be easier to list the small amount of good things."


Would you NOT agree that that's a way of saying you thought the show was of poor quality? Nobody says that about something they like.
'small amount of good things' = 'everything else was bad, or inferior' no?
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235. "Without the OP question"
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>>>You implied that there wasn't much quality on the show, and
>>>you're clearly wrong there.
>>>
>>
>>No you made that assumption, I answered the OP's question.
>>
>
>
>a direct quote:
>
>"Almost everything for both The Wire and Sopranos. It would be
>easier to list the small amount of good things."
>

The OP question I answered

"things you didn't like about THe Wire,Sorpranos and Dexter??"



thinking about 3 of the Greatest shows to emerge over the past 20 years
and what was it about them that you didn't like?

if anything"

>Would you NOT agree that that's a way of saying you thought
>the show was of poor quality? Nobody says that about something
>they like.
>'small amount of good things' = 'everything else was bad, or
>inferior' no?
> We didn't 'assume' anything.

No I am saying it's more things I didn't like then it is that I did. The quality of the show as a whole involves more than that.

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185. "HATED season 5 of the wire with a passion"
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the serial killer shit was forced. seems to me they rushed that season.

Kenard killing Omar? Honestly, I could see something like that happening, but the way it happened in the series ...

  

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188. "i hated DeLonda's big ass flaring nostrils!!!"
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201. "De'Londa, Kenard and D'Angelo are three of the most hated characters"
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Also, never realized until now that Kenard was the little kid in season 3 pretending to be Omar w/ the stick.

  

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203. "EXACTLY"
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>Also, never realized until now that Kenard was the little kid
>in season 3 pretending to be Omar w/ the stick.


^^^THIS answers the "how did Chris, Bird, and Marlo become killers?" question.


They grew up seeing gangsters on the streets, and idolized them.

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211. "how do kids become killers in the hood IRL? "
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the fuck kinda question is dude really asking?



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205. "D'Angelo?"
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good catch on the kenard thing.

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209. "I thought he was one of the few decent-ish people"
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in the Barksdale organization.


he was a dumbass to be sure, but he wasn't cutthroat. He tried to look out for Wallace, and he definitely avoided violence when it wasn't necessary. ( Which is ironic, since we met him when he was on trial for Murder)


Look at all the times he let the Pit Crew slide on shit that could've gotten them killed by anybody else.



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230. "D had a good heart, but he wasn't built to be a drug dealer"
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Instead of recognizing this, he continued down the path of trying to be a thug, but cried and complained the whole way.

He's not in the same class as the other two, but he was quite annoying to me. Like, why not talk to your mom & uncle, tell them you ain't about that life and go to college or something?

  

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233. "agreed. "
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>He's not in the same class as the other two, but he was quite
>annoying to me. Like, why not talk to your mom & uncle, tell
>them you ain't about that life and go to college or
>something?


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254. "D was too soft and talked too much"
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