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Big Kuntry
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"Pro Blacks In Interracial Relatioships "


  

          

In theory I guess it works but I can't help but look at them strangely.

Case in point this lady - http://goo.gl/7nCJds .

I was riding wit her & then...https://youtu.be/T7PpufGYBSs AND HE ARCHES HIS
EYEBROWS!

  

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she's dead to me.
Mar 23rd 2016
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I'm just here to read the comments
Mar 23rd 2016
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Elton John is looking like the Welsh version of Birdman in that Avy
Mar 23rd 2016
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they both like kissin niggas and wearing red
Mar 23rd 2016
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      loooolz
Mar 23rd 2016
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      LMAO
Mar 23rd 2016
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      dead.
Mar 23rd 2016
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      elton jon, fly in any weather
Mar 27th 2016
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This gon be good*
Mar 23rd 2016
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🖕🏻
Mar 24th 2016
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Yooo, I was gonna make a post about her Black Ppl can't be racist
Mar 23rd 2016
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Bruh! I went down a long wormhole of her videos...
Mar 23rd 2016
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When I've been "talking" to a non-black woman, I have to
Mar 23rd 2016
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What is gained from this theory?
Mar 24th 2016
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Black in skintone, white culturally.......
Mar 23rd 2016
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a pass from who?
Mar 24th 2016
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      America's founders basically decreed love was for white men only
Mar 24th 2016
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           So if a Black Woman loves a white man then her love is not real?
Mar 24th 2016
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                RE: Love is actually something to be controlled & judged...
Mar 24th 2016
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                     Man, your existence is depressing.
Mar 24th 2016
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                          If being depressing comes along with being correct then so be it
Mar 24th 2016
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                               Everyday racism always gets me down.
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                                    Don't worry -- it's not sustainable.
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Im not going to defend it but I totally get it
Mar 23rd 2016
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"POPCORN! PEANUTS! CRACKERJACK!"
Mar 23rd 2016
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Franz Fanon, Cheikh Anta Diop, Barack Obama Sr., etc
Mar 23rd 2016
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how dare you mention Obie among the gawds, lol, but
Mar 23rd 2016
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      Maya Angelou...
Mar 23rd 2016
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      Pretty much all the people y'all named are from pre-integration tho
Mar 24th 2016
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           ???
Mar 24th 2016
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      LOL that was for the millennials.
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           :)
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even before I found out about her IR relations I found her brand of
Mar 23rd 2016
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Usually I don't think IR discredit someone, but in her case
Mar 23rd 2016
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      I bet Quinta is down with the swirl too
Mar 23rd 2016
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      yup. she know exactly what niche she fillin'
Mar 24th 2016
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           Exactly, cause most black folk don't care what white ppl understand
Mar 24th 2016
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your post assumes a lot
Mar 23rd 2016
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Those are your assumptions.
Mar 23rd 2016
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      you look at them strangely, why?
Mar 23rd 2016
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           *looks at shelf full of American history books*
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                lmao
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my experience:
Mar 23rd 2016
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A couple of thing I feel strongly about.
Mar 24th 2016
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RE: A couple of thing I feel strongly about.
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RE: my experience:
Mar 24th 2016
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I don't get it. But I don't think too much about it
Mar 23rd 2016
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YUP! Do they make money?
Mar 24th 2016
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I feel like my little sister watches alot of those videos
Mar 24th 2016
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      Does your sister post on OKP? lol
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           LOL man i see it happen here daily
Mar 24th 2016
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is there an interracial head wrap store?
Mar 24th 2016
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I wish I could be more neutral but....
Mar 24th 2016
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two people in love? Those kind of values?
Mar 24th 2016
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You can love lots of things. I love the refereshing taste of
Mar 24th 2016
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      that's because you're imposing an ideology on a relationship between
Mar 24th 2016
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           Look, I'm glad that you're all down for this kumbaya post-racial
Mar 24th 2016
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                again, you're imposing your ideology (nationalism) on how you view
Mar 24th 2016
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                Having and ideology means viewing the world in a particular way
Mar 24th 2016
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                     ah yes, back to the reductionist "they do it too" argument
Mar 24th 2016
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                          Uh huh....so like I said, we have different values.
Mar 24th 2016
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                               well I find your values to be no different from Christians who think
Mar 24th 2016
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                                    So me not considering someone problack is the same as condemning
Mar 24th 2016
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                                         Judging someone's loyalty to their nation on the basis of an individual ...
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                                              I don't think you understand what folks mean by "Pro-Black" LOL.
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                                                   proper fealty to their Nation or, perhaps, culture
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                                                        Yeah no that's not what folks seemed to be discussing here.
Mar 24th 2016
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                                                        Oh so this is y'all pointing out the frauds & fakes
Mar 24th 2016
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                                                        So in addition to what Buddy said, I want to add this...
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                                                             Hopefully your wife won't mind that she had to fit into your politics be...
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                                                                  I wouldn't be with her in the first place if she didn't.
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                                                                  the Nation of Islam became a fascist organization
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                                                                       Oh shit...did they have Pogroms too?
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                                                                  It's not that hard. Everyone has values. We pick in choose
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                                                                       values & politics are not the same thing
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                                                                       Fucking thank you! Disagree with my values if you want, but to act like ...
Mar 24th 2016
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                                                                            I mean yal both right in a sense
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                there is no such thing as "black love" or "white love" etc.
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                     if an American woman marries a foreign man is she no longer
Mar 24th 2016
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                     If a cat gives birth in an oven do we call the offspring biscuits?
Mar 24th 2016
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                          ^^.LOL. You won OKP today.
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                          If an okay player believes something does any other opinion exist?
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                               If a tree's roots are bitter will it's fruit be sweet?
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                               a tree bends to the will of nature, it doesn't make choices
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                                    and a house divided can not stand.
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                                         A house is not a home without love
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                                              and love doesn't live here anymore.
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                                                   sad
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                                                        finally we agree.
Mar 24th 2016
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                               damn double post glitch messed up my tirade of hypotheticals
Mar 24th 2016
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                     If she isn't making a political statement with her choice of relationshi...
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                          I'd hate to live in a world where political statements trump love
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                               Then you must be beside yourself ;)
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                               I am beside my wife every night instead
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                                    What's she doing while you're propped up on pillows typing away?
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                                         :(
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                                         Ah it's a joke. I think Phil and I are more or less on the same page
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                                         texting the Black guy she really likes
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                               Sorry, I just don't believe in your hollywood version of love that's div...
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                                    it's not Hollywood it's my life
Mar 24th 2016
                                         I'm glad it worked for you.
Mar 24th 2016
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I wouldn't quite say that but I will say that they are overcompensating
Mar 24th 2016
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The over compensation itself is telling.
Mar 24th 2016
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      the irony of this post being on okayplayer...
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           *Looks around for where I said you shouldn't associate with whites*
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                oh that's right, you only passed judgment on "intimate" relationships
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                     So being intimate can only mean being sexual?
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                          of course not, but the attempt at misdirection is admirable
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                               LMAO....I never said you can't be intimate with someone of a different
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                                    I'm white
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                                         Do they need you to defend them?
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                                              Are his children with his wife Black?
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                                                   Sure, but being black doesn't make you pro-black.
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                                                        You missed the point
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                                                             Ok....
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                                                                  I can't with your dime store nationalism shit dude
Mar 24th 2016
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                                                                       Is it always the case? No, of course not (as I've said)
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Mar 24th 2016
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wait
Mar 24th 2016
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Oh, fuck off back to the 50s with this bullshit.
Mar 24th 2016
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So you're saying I should start fucking white girls to stop racism?
Mar 24th 2016
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I think he's saying "I'm mad because white Europeans really fucked up!"
Mar 24th 2016
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No, I'm saying you shouldn't assume about other people's relationships.
Mar 24th 2016
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      Nope, you're not getting away with that shit.
Mar 24th 2016
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           Ok
Mar 24th 2016
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                Thanks for the honest response.
Mar 24th 2016
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                hmmm...
Mar 24th 2016
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                     No, but thanks for the recommendation!
Mar 24th 2016
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                that's dumb as fuck
Mar 25th 2016
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you manage to seem younger with each passing year
Mar 24th 2016
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      Thanks for sharing.
Mar 24th 2016
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Lol Knew who it was b4 i clicked. That's a lot of explaining bro.
Mar 24th 2016
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in a truly loving relationship there really shouldn't be much room for i...
Mar 24th 2016
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you can't help who you love Derek!
Mar 24th 2016
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CAN YOU HANDLE IT?! BLACK AND WHITE LIKE THIS? (C) young rap
Mar 24th 2016
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Are we only counting black/white?
Mar 24th 2016
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we ALWAYS only count black/white around here
Mar 24th 2016
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But those are the only colours, right?
Mar 24th 2016
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i see your two colors shining through
Mar 24th 2016
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ROFL
Mar 24th 2016
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*dead*
Mar 24th 2016
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I almost choked on my damn food!
Mar 24th 2016
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sort of perfect.
Mar 25th 2016
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lol. i feel bad for some of these folk, man
Mar 24th 2016
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I tend to think in terms of Wookie and Ewok when I hear interracial
Mar 24th 2016
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I was wondering because that's what it boiled down to
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No.
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It seems odd to me, but I can understand how the two can exist
Mar 24th 2016
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100% agreement.
Mar 24th 2016
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well if y'all niggas would act right lol
Mar 24th 2016
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I've got a lot of home girls from college that end up going white
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that's me all day
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this has LONG been a chick i'd leave my wife and kids for...
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RE: this has LONG been a chick i'd leave my wife and kids for...
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from one youtube video i knew we were soulmates
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      i hear Badu singing Next Lifetime when i see her
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           Watch more of her videos and see if you still on that.
Mar 24th 2016
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I couldn't do it, man. Every time I'd catch her looking at me in the sun...
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shit. lol
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you don't think she's insufferable and shrill?
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One benefit of being a biracial ‘gray’ without a racial identity
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i think more precise than being a 'grey'
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'grey'? We talkin about love between two cultures not Mulder and Scully
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Meanwhile, I was talking about myself in a mildly humorous way
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      The story's cool it's how folks don't see how silly all this sounds
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Yeah I'm not fucking with this 'intellectual advantage' shit
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I call bullshit that your POV is superior and the less backward
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      Very much bullshit.
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      Care to elaborate beyond calling bullshit?
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I just don't wanna hear about Black family and Black beauty from them.
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Nah fam, we fixed racism, colorism, and white supremacy already remember...
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Lol, you'd think so reading some of these comments.
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This generalization is hilariously off-base
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      It's spot on. It just hits home for you.
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      your people survived the most brutal form of slavery ever designed
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           Yep, and imagine how many us there'd be if we'd *all* survived.
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                a savage and a pathetic human being
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                     Correct
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                          this is a public forum & I am in a long term interracial marriage
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                               Oddly, you think this post is about you. (stereo)typical
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                                    please find the forum rule that I have violated
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                                         Still haven't figured out the post isn't about you
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                                              RE: Still haven't figured out the post isn't about you
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      these are their ideological partners fwiw
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      RE: This generalization is hilariously off-base
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Why is it..?
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I think it's how those people discuss it that's the issue
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IMO, it goes beyond that
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If a health-nut married an obese person I would take their advice with a...
Mar 24th 2016
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      what? why?
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      Nope, and it doesn't mean the obese person isn't amazing in a bunch of w...
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      LOL
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      You lost me with that one breh
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      I never said that it reflects on their own knowledge and skill
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           You sound ridiculous if u think like that
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                Fair enough, I went too far....but be honest...
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                     Yea I guess
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      wow
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      You’re impressionable and place heavy stock in appearances?
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      I'm sure you're entirely objective and impartial always. You're a Vulcan...
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           You said you put more stock in image than information
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                I never said their advice should be outright discarded....
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                     Agreed.....if they’re a preacher.
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                          Yeah I got no beef with what you said. It wasn't a great analogy on my p...
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      I fux with you but not so much this comparison lol.
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I married black. Franchesca is more passionate about blk issues than me
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What do these videos do for the betterment of black people?
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      her hair videos are actually very well done
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      Im going off of the example from the original post
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I followed her on youtube
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As one
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you white?
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No. I'm Black and I'm Black and I'm Black
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      oh lawd. you messing with a WHITE JOINT?
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           Life, man...
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                :(
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What makes you pro-blacker?
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      And that's the thing right?
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Can't trust a nigga who intermingles with Yurugu.
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Your thoughts on Obama?
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      He is the WORLD's Most Militant Black Man.......
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           Gotcha I had to look up yurugu. How does that concept relate here?
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                I tend to think people outside of IR Relationships over think them
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Chescaleigh and her WHITE husband discussing #BlackLivesMatter
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and?
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Does that also mean you cant be pro-black if youre mixed??
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Do you choose if you're mixed?
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      re:
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           So you think I'm implying that you can't love your mom...because she's w...
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                RE: So you think I'm implying that you can't love your mom...because she...
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                     So your idea of pro-Blackness is to not be a stereotype.
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                          RE: So your idea of pro-Blackness is to not be a stereotype.
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                          RE: So your idea of pro-Blackness is to not be a stereotype.
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                               none of.that discredits the substance of what I quoted
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                                    It gives it context... something you've consistently ignored
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                                         everything you said is for the most part obvious to anyone
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                                              One would think so
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                                                   we can
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                          I never mentioned the word sterotype
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Wouldn't pro black mean you want black folks to have the same
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You're absolutely right...
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love the sinner, hate the sin
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Weird...I don't recall making a moral judgement at all.
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      I find your view to be fundamentalist
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           Ok, and I think you're taking this really personal....
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black nationalism is an archaic concept and not
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      Yeah, but I don't agree with your ideas about what's pro-black.
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           there are no gods fam, anywhere
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This is a straw man.
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      good point.
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      it seems more about a few zealots defining for the rest of Black America
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           Or a white guy named Philpot trying to define it for us all
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                I am not trying to define anything, that is a bold faced lie
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                     Right, and as of now, it's also a lie that I've defined it.
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"Does it matter Obama is married to a black woman?" Thread ending questi...
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Sun! This whole reply is fuckin awesome, lmfao.
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they appear to be very deeply in love
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      Tell me that nothing else matters when you die...
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Is it safe to say if you say "I LOVE Black women" but you don't
Mar 25th 2016
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Oh, I know their answer to this one...
Mar 25th 2016
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I thought this post was gonna be about Cornel West
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Reply 13
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I think you're right, but to be clear my statements applied to
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Oddly enough my girl and I hung out with an IR couple last night.
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I'd say the advancement of humanity as a whole should trump all
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White folks gotta tie back into humanity so mixing is of highest priorit...
Mar 26th 2016
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the human family mixing genetic code that are farthest apart
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      The genetic diversity between two black folk (related)
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           link?
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           On the continent is one thing but in a small post slavery US town
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                you could argue this can increase Black presence in these areas too
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                The last 500 years can't change the genetic diversity of 500k years
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                     I don't doubt the first humans were brown skinned people
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                          Bruh modern science has no idea how old humanity is but I am willing to ...
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people like Grace Lee Boggs are why this view is flawed
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Kwesi
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1. "she's dead to me."
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3. "Elton John is looking like the Welsh version of Birdman in that Avy"
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7. "they both like kissin niggas and wearing red"
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270. "elton jon, fly in any weather"
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5. "Yooo, I was gonna make a post about her Black Ppl can't be racist"
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video here today but I wasted my post of the day will that stupid other post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7F-Oq_VnE

I was wondering if people actually co-sign this?


Anyway on the topic, I think you can but they have to recognize limitations about what they can talk about. For example, if you are a black man married to a non-white woman, you need to be very careful talking about black women. And just leave dating and black women alone. You can't speak on it.



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Big Kuntry
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6. "Bruh! I went down a long wormhole of her videos..."
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sometimes I get her but majority of the time she's on that bullshit

You should make your post if you get time

  

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9. "When I've been "talking" to a non-black woman, I have to "
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remember to turn off my connate Black racial cynicism about stuff in terms of what I talk about. There's lots of in-group stuff I'd say to a Black woman I wouldn't dare mention to a non-Black woman (that includes West Indians and Africans, too, sorry to say).

  

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32. "What is gained from this theory?"
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When Hitler wrote Mein Kampf.....Jews had a disproportionate amount of purchasing power in Germany. They were over-represented in the wealthy class and had disproportionate control of banks.

So Mein Kampf wasn't racist? Or it would seem....under this theory....Mein Kampf BECAME racist once the Nazi regime gained power? It was only racially prejudiced beforehand?

It's just a silly, fruitless, semantical argument imo.

I agree that there is function in differentiating between the racism depicted in those clips (white people getting beat up by black people) and the experience of disenfranchised minorities. But we can do that with the terms 'systemic racism' or 'institutional racism'. Alot less logical pitfalls in that direction. What her theory seems to suggest...is that there's no such thing as racism that's not systemic or institutional. So those terms would be redundant.

But if we're just gonna randomly change definitions for no clear reasons.....why don't we change the definition of 'racial prejudice' too? So you can only be 'racially prejudiced' if you have belief + power. Which means we need a new term for.....wait, what's the point again?

  

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10. "Black in skintone, white culturally......."
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or the reverse

one of those Bubba Sparks/Teena Marie types

do they get a pass?

(heh..)

  

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42. "a pass from who?"
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Is there a commission set up to approve or disapprove of interracial relationships?

The country has legalized gay marriage & folks still tripping on two people loving each other

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71. "America's founders basically decreed love was for white men only"
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So until that's addressed people are goingto trip

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74. "So if a Black Woman loves a white man then her love is not real?"
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Love is actually something to be controlled & judged...

She either loves her husband or loves her people?

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82. "RE: Love is actually something to be controlled & judged..."
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In America? definitely.

>She either loves her husband or loves her people?
This is why I say there isn't much room for race in a truly loving relationship because you can obviously love your spouse and the people with whom you have general commonalities at the same time.

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93. "Man, your existence is depressing."
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Find better thoughts, seriously. They're all you've got.

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95. "If being depressing comes along with being correct then so be it"
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sounds like reality has you down today champ.

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129. "Everyday racism always gets me down."
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>sounds like reality has you down today champ.

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136. "Don't worry -- it's not sustainable. "
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11. "Im not going to defend it but I totally get it"
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12. ""POPCORN! PEANUTS! CRACKERJACK!""
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13. "Franz Fanon, Cheikh Anta Diop, Barack Obama Sr., etc"
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16. "how dare you mention Obie among the gawds, lol, but"
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CLR James
George Clinton
Jimi
Charles Mingus
Richard Wright
Audrey Lorde
James Baldwin
Basquiat
Nate Parker (herman cain gif)



  

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17. "Maya Angelou..."
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Quincy Jones
Chaka Kahn
Ertha Kitt
Julian Bond

  

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37. "Pretty much all the people y'all named are from pre-integration tho"
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AKA, when white folks were pretty much the standard for humanity/normalcy

  

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105. "???"
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20. "LOL that was for the millennials. "
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30. ":)"
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15. "even before I found out about her IR relations I found her brand of"
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Racial politics corny and opportunist

  

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18. "Usually I don't think IR discredit someone, but in her case"
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It just doesn't make her feel legit to me.
Plus she is riding the whole buzzfeed trend of "things white people don't get"

I don't find her to be a critical or nuanced thinker on race.

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23. "I bet Quinta is down with the swirl too"
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31. "yup. she know exactly what niche she fillin'"
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33. "Exactly, cause most black folk don't care what white ppl understand"
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Unless you have to explain shit to them on a daily basis...like in an interracial relationship.

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19. "your post assumes a lot "
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like pro-black should = anti-white
like standing up on behalf of minorities means you cant love a white person
like her husband cant be great to/for her despite her taking issue with other white people
etc.

  

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21. "Those are your assumptions. "
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*i edited the sarcasm cuz it ain't necessary*

But yeah i tried to make it clear wit the first sentence that it prolly could work

  

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22. "you look at them strangely, why?"
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25. "*looks at shelf full of American history books*"
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28. "lmao"
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26. "my experience:"
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her sister and mother jokingly warned me that i was getting involved with "sister souljah" before she and i were officially an item. she vocalized her displeasure with my whiteness often at first but eventually kind of got over it (but not really). she said, "i wish you were black," at least once and had genuine issues with my inability to empathize with her experience with racism. but we connected on every other level and at the time really needed each other so we stuck with it, hoping we would grow out of (into?) the racial issues

i just loved her and wanted to be with her so i put a lot of effort into understanding what it meant to be black in her eyes. we devoted hundreds of hours to conversations, stories, and anecdotes about it. it was very important to her that i understood what it meant to be black and specifically how important her blackness was to her

we eventually broke up due to non-race related issues. the racial thing was just another layer of incompatibility between us, mostly coming from her end. she needed to be with someone with similar experiences to hers and the ability to connect on a deeper level than what she and i were connecting on

  

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44. "A couple of thing I feel strongly about. "
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she said, "i wish you were black," at least
>once and had genuine issues with my inability to empathize
>with her experience with racism.

There is just no way I think it would be possible if I were dating someone who could say to me more than once "I wish you were a whole nother being" because that's basically what saying I wish you were another race means.

> it was very important to her that i
>understood what it meant to be black and specifically how
>important her blackness was to her

This makes me cringe because she can only tell you what it meant to be black TO HER. You could date another black person and what it meant to be black to them could be a whole different experience.

Since college I've always been annoyed by that black person who elects themselves to be the person to represent black people and explain the black position on topics for the class.




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197. "RE: A couple of thing I feel strongly about. "
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> she said, "i wish you were black," at least
>>once and had genuine issues with my inability to empathize
>>with her experience with racism.
>
>There is just no way I think it would be possible if I were
>dating someone who could say to me more than once "I wish you
>were a whole nother being" because that's basically what
>saying I wish you were another race means.

yeah it definitely hurt. still hurts. looking back on it i think it wasn't completely malicious and partly out of frustration since i had so many qualities she desired but was lacking that one extremely important attribute of being able to empathize with her. sympathy wasn't quite enough for her

>This makes me cringe because she can only tell you what it
>meant to be black TO HER. You could date another black
>person and what it meant to be black to them could be a whole
>different experience.

fwiw she made it clear that her experience was not the catch-all black experience but the black experience through her eyes. i had no expectations of getting some kind of rosetta stone for being black in america. it think it was more, "this is a huge part of what i am and why i am the way i am and i need you to understand it"

>Since college I've always been annoyed by that black person
>who elects themselves to be the person to represent black
>people and explain the black position on topics for the class.

i never took it as her "explaining blackness" to me. i've lived in the south for 35+ years. historically a majority of my friends have been black and i've worked with and under mostly black people for 15+ years. idk how to put this without sounding super white and somewhat smugly knowing and but i had a vague understanding of what it was like to be black in america before she and i got together due to my near-constant interaction with black folk

  

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58. "RE: my experience:"
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>she vocalized her displeasure with my
>whiteness often at first but eventually kind of got over it
>(but not really). she said, "i wish you were black," at least
>once and had genuine issues with my inability to empathize
>with her experience with racism.

Man, I can't imagine seriously dating a non-black woman and her telling me that she rather I was of her ethnicity. This didn't bother you?


>i just loved her and wanted to be with her so i put a lot of
>effort into understanding what it meant to be black in her
>eyes. we devoted hundreds of hours to conversations, stories,
>and anecdotes about it. it was very important to her that i
>understood what it meant to be black and specifically how
>important her blackness was to her

This just seems wrong. It sounds divisive, like her experience vs. yours.

  

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27. "I don't get it. But I don't think too much about it"
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Seem like she the type that wanted an audience for something and just fell into that online blackity black video lane.

There's alot of them out there that just regurgitate cliché pro black shit and don't really do nothing else.

  

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34. "YUP! Do they make money? "
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"regurgitate cliché pro black shit and don't really do nothing else."

It is somewhat embarrassing because they think they are speaking for a large black audience. I don't deal with that many uninformed white people where I have to explain hair texture, lipstick color etc... Maybe this is a millennial issue since they intermix more than my Gen Xers.

Maybe they do it for the gram or views?

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145. "I feel like my little sister watches alot of those videos"
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>Seem like she the type that wanted an audience for something
>and just fell into that online blackity black video lane.
>
>There's alot of them out there that just regurgitate cliché
>pro black shit and don't really do nothing else.

i know she's watching them because they've made her a miserable person
she's always ranting about how black men arent on her level because
she's getting her masters degree or some bullshit

im sure she's going to marry a white dude i it wouldnt bother me
as long as shes happy

but those videos have really made her miserable
i can say something like Teynnah Parris has a beautiful smile

and she'll take a left turn straight to crazyville
about how im oversexualizing the black woman

shit gets to be a headache

it always throws me for a loop because im not saying
her ass is phat or some perverted stuff so now i just keep my mouth shut

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151. "Does your sister post on OKP? lol"
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>i can say something like Teynnah Parris has a beautiful smile
>
>and she'll take a left turn straight to crazyville
>about how im oversexualizing the black woman
>
>shit gets to be a headache
>
>it always throws me for a loop because im not saying
>her ass is phat or some perverted stuff so now i just keep my
>mouth shut


Seems like conversations go down like this here every other day.

  

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157. "LOL man i see it happen here daily"
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and i make it my duty to avoid those posts
and that one particular poster who has a knack
for always going batshit crazy in those type of posts

the correlations between that poster and my sister are
alarming but like my sister i tend to just ignore them
and keep my mouth shut lol

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29. "is there an interracial head wrap store? "
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they always extra with it.

I knew a girl in college who swore she would never date a white dude ended up with the white poet.

I would prefer if people would stfu about what they will and won't do

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35. "I wish I could be more neutral but...."
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who you choose to be with intimately reflects your values.

I think that pro-black people who date white are giving us all a massive hint about just how pro-black they really are.

  

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38. "two people in love? Those kind of values?"
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Or the kind of values where two human beings are judged for loving each other?

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43. "You can love lots of things. I love the refereshing taste of "
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coconut water. The fuck does that have to do with me saying that who we CHOOSE to be intimate with reflects our values?

Miss me with that Disney fairytale love at first sight shit. We choose who we are intimate with, we choose who we marry, we choose the type of persona and politics that we project to the world.

I don't give a fuck who you love, but you can't be super Pro-Black in all of your sentiments and behaviors and then be like "Well, oops we just fell in love!"

Or you can...I just think it's suspect that you could make a conscious effort to be pro-black in every facet of life except your love life. I'm sure some people just fell into it, but once again, no one accidentally gets married.


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47. "that's because you're imposing an ideology on a relationship between "
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Two individuals

But please continue to impose your values on others, it didn't work for homophobes so it won't work for you

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50. "Look, I'm glad that you're all down for this kumbaya post-racial"
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shit.

I'm not. I don't think there's anything wrong with IR relationships. I don't think it should be illegal, I'm not gonna look at your relationship and try to break it up, I don't think every IR relationship is some tortured eternal struggle with identity, quite frankly at the personal level I don't give a shit.

But I'm a black nationalist. Period. I am not for this melting pot shit because I think it's a myth that often leaves black people at the bottom of the barrel. For that reason I don't think IR relationships are compatible with being "pro-black".

So if you're "pro-black" then yes, I will question your credentials and how your "pro-blackness" manifests itself.

I can see why you think that means that I'm shitting on IR relationships, but really I'm just shitting on her pro-blackness.

*Edit*: I think being "pro-black" means more than just shouting slogans and going to marches. I also think it means thinking about promoting strong black relationships and black love.

Now, my definition of pro-black might differ from yours, and I'm happy to discuss that.

However, If you want to conflate my stance with hating IR couples have at it. I'm just not going to go in circles with you.






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53. "again, you're imposing your ideology (nationalism) on how you view "
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*individuals*

This woman and her white husband could be raising future Black leaders but....I guess they wouldn't meet your purity test

Good luck applying nationalism in the 21st century bro

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59. "Having and ideology means viewing the world in a particular way"
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I'm sure you never let your personal politics influence how you read people. Unless you're entirely neutral about everything. Is that what you're saying?



>This woman and her white husband could be raising future Black
>leaders but....I guess they wouldn't meet your purity test

Who's to say? Those hypothetical children haven't done anything on which to be judged.

>Good luck applying nationalism in the 21st century bro

Uh huh, because other groups don't do this. Every race and ethnicity in America is going full force on the melting-pot bandwagon right? Some black people really do love buying into this diversity bullshit...and then we're always left holding the bag when other races jump ship. Good luck falling for the okie-doke in the 21st century...

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63. "ah yes, back to the reductionist "they do it too" argument"
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I'm interested in right and wrong not what team I play for

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65. "Uh huh....so like I said, we have different values. "
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67. "well I find your values to be no different from Christians who think "
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Their faith is incompatible with gay marriage

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69. "So me not considering someone problack is the same as condemning"
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Someone to hell? Wow, your purity test is even stricter than mine.


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72. "Judging someone's loyalty to their nation on the basis of an individual ..."
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Thats what you are doing

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75. "I don't think you understand what folks mean by "Pro-Black" LOL. "
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78. "proper fealty to their Nation or, perhaps, culture"
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I certainly don't assume it to mean anti-white

To deny the most essential connection between two humans (love) out of obedience to a cultural or National purity test seems to be what lard is hinting at

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83. "Yeah no that's not what folks seemed to be discussing here. "
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I think it's more akin to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ytOXXqHVQk

Well it's not the whole clip, but it's the super aggressive dashki wearing spokesperson for the race, who is very vocal about racial issues and the plight of black people and black pride.

That's what I mean about overcompensating.

If you can't see the difference between what I describe and what you describe you might want to ask more questions rather than lecturing people on love, race, etc.


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96. "Oh so this is y'all pointing out the frauds & fakes"
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Making sure none of the cool kids hang with the posers

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92. "So in addition to what Buddy said, I want to add this..."
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>To deny the most essential connection between two humans
>(love) out of obedience to a cultural or National purity test
>seems to be what lard is hinting at

This isn't a real test, and no one is saying being an IR relationship strips you of your blackness.

For me, yes being pro-black/a black nationalist means that if I am going to build a family then it will be with a black woman because in addition to talking about black issues I also think it's incumbent upon a black nationalist like myself to serve as a model of a black husband and a black father. That is important to me, and because it's important to me I don't date outside of my race and I want to marry a black woman.

If I were to be so passionately pro-black but then not concern myself with sharing my life with a black woman would be disingenuous on my part.

I do think it's a matter of obedience because I don't think white women are ugly, or impersonal, etc. It would be very easy to just be like, "Pussy is pussy, it's all the same color when the lights go out". Some people feel that way, and hey, more power to them. However, when it comes to race I don't take things at surface level, and that extends to my love life.

You can run your love life however you want, based on your values.

But if your values are "pro-black" then I'm up for discussing exactly what you mean by "pro-black" if your relationships don't give off that indication.

Just because politics doesn't infect your love life, it doesn't mean that I should take the same approach to mine.


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100. "Hopefully your wife won't mind that she had to fit into your politics be..."
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Being worthy of your love

Bizarro Flipper from Jungle Fever shit

And this "it's incumbent upon a black nationalist like myself to serve as a model of a black husband and a black father"

I guess a Black man married to a white woman can't serve as a model of a Black husband/father smh


Again, this is what happens when you apply dead ideologies like nationalism to human relationships & why nationalism inevitably devolves into fascism

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119. "I wouldn't be with her in the first place if she didn't."
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It's the same reason I wouldn't check for a Stacy Dash type chick.

LMAO like the only thing people consider about relationships is "love".



>I guess a Black man married to a white woman can't serve as a
>model of a Black husband/father smh

I don't see how he could serve as a model for how a black man should treat a black woman that he's with considering how white women are already idolized in our culture.

Do you think it was insignificant that our first black president was married to a black woman?

That's just inconsequential in a society that devalues black women and that has almost no examples of loving black couples in media?


I'm sure your friends are wonderful husbands and fathers. Me promoting BLACK COUPLES doesn't have to detract from that unless you think that being pro-black means being anti-white.


>Again, this is what happens when you apply dead ideologies
>like nationalism to human relationships & why nationalism
>inevitably devolves into fascism

You got some examples of black nationalists turning into fascists or are your making that assumption just because Europeans did?

  

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131. "the Nation of Islam became a fascist organization "
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It expelled non believers & waged violence against "traitors"

Fwiw I don't begrudge you your preference in women, but for it to be rooted in a political belief I just feel bad for you & your future wife

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156. "Oh shit...did they have Pogroms too? "
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The Nation of Islam isn't actually a nation.

>Fwiw I don't begrudge you your preference in women, but for it
>to be rooted in a political belief I just feel bad for you &
>your future wife

Why would you feel bad? Because we have different values? That doesn't necessitate your pity. Be happy with your life. I'm happy with mine.



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120. "It's not that hard. Everyone has values. We pick in choose "
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What's important to us and our mates reflect those values and choices.

It was very important for me to date and marry black. Mainly because I talk about race ALL the time. I wouldn't want to moderate my thoughts on the subject because my mate wasn't black.

I also love home cook food. But I loved my mate enough to forgo that because my love for her outweighed my love for homecook food.

The whole purpose of dating is to find someone who is compatible with our values.


>Being worthy of your love
>
>Bizarro Flipper from Jungle Fever shit
>
>And this "it's incumbent upon a black nationalist like myself
>to serve as a model of a black husband and a black father"
>
>I guess a Black man married to a white woman can't serve as a
>model of a Black husband/father smh
>
>
>Again, this is what happens when you apply dead ideologies
>like nationalism to human relationships & why nationalism
>inevitably devolves into fascism


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124. "values & politics are not the same thing "
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I choose to put love before politics

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135. "Fucking thank you! Disagree with my values if you want, but to act like ..."
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bringing this shit up out of no where is fucking weird.


Nigga is acting like love is just some shit that happens to you instead of something you participate in.


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167. "I mean yal both right in a sense"
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For all we know marriage was a higher priority to her than her social views. And that guy happened to be around her at that time. I know plenty of chiks like that. And after watching her videos she don't seem like the blackity black type as I said before. Someone mentioned she started out doing hair and comedy videos with some racial commentary. So she probably just happened into this lane after seeing which videos was getting her the most views. But hell if I know.

  

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73. "there is no such thing as "black love" or "white love" etc. "
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For example what is it if a Thai woman loves her child by a Middle Eastern man? What color do you assign to that?

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76. "if an American woman marries a foreign man is she no longer "
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Allowed to celebrate the 4th of July?

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116. "If a tree's roots are bitter will it's fruit be sweet? "
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122. "a tree bends to the will of nature, it doesn't make choices "
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130. "and a house divided can not stand. "
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133. "A house is not a home without love"
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But a House of Representatives loves politics more than people

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138. "and love doesn't live here anymore."
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assuming it ever did.

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146. "finally we agree."
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117. "damn double post glitch messed up my tirade of hypotheticals "
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next time Gadget -- next time.

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84. "If she isn't making a political statement with her choice of relationshi..."
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then there is nothing to ascribe in that regard.

Maybe it's not important to her, I never said it had to be.

  

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104. "I'd hate to live in a world where political statements trump love"
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128. "What's she doing while you're propped up on pillows typing away?"
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on second thought don't answer that.

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154. "Ah it's a joke. I think Phil and I are more or less on the same page "
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*when his back is turned*

jk jk

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159. "texting the Black guy she really likes "
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While he lays in bed with his white wife

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123. "Sorry, I just don't believe in your hollywood version of love that's div..."
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the world we live in.

You don't just fall in love with someone. The circle of people you meet depends on your life. How you live your life depends on how you were raised, your social influences, and your values.

You don't always have conscious control, but you're making love and relationships out to be something that just happens to you.

"All the world's a stage,
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They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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"it's not Hollywood it's my life "


  

          

In fact looking back I have no reason besides love to still be with my wife, all these politics you care so much about tried their best to tear us apart, still are really...

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147. "I'm glad it worked for you."
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I'm not you, and I don't have to date outside my race if it doesn't make me happy.



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45. "I wouldn't quite say that but I will say that they are overcompensating"
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some times.



>who you choose to be with intimately reflects your values.
>
>I think that pro-black people who date white are giving us all
>a massive hint about just how pro-black they really are.


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46. "The over compensation itself is telling. "
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And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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48. "the irony of this post being on okayplayer..."
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Hows your white buddy? He doesn't post any more? You guys not as close now that you've discovered your supreme Blackness?

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51. "*Looks around for where I said you shouldn't associate with whites*"
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Actually I can't even find where I said that dating white people was wrong. I'm pretty sure I just said that dating/marrying a white person and claiming to be pro-black was problematic.

Oh and my friend is doing great. Get this...I even sometimes let my nephew have play-dates with his daughters. *Gasp*.

Nice try.


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56. "oh that's right, you only passed judgment on "intimate" relationships"
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If sex is involved then it's problematic but if not, hey...whatever

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61. "So being intimate can only mean being sexual? "
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62. "of course not, but the attempt at misdirection is admirable"
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but I wouldn't know what true intimacy is because I'm not with one of my own kind I guess

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64. "LMAO....I never said you can't be intimate with someone of a different"
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race.

I said in my view being pro-black informs who you date and or marry.

End of story. We obviously don't agree on the definition of what pro-black means. I'm assuming you consider yourself pro-black, and you are in an IR relationship? So why don't we discuss why you think the two aren't mutually exclusive instead of trying to make it out like I think IR couples should be stoned.


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66. "I'm white "
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More than anything I'm defending Black male friends of mine who are in long term relationships with white women

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68. "Do they need you to defend them?"
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And if so, from what?

Do I think W. Kamau Bell is a coon because he married a white woman?

No, I think he's an unfunny comedian who talks about race.

He's certainly for the betterment of the black condition in America?

Absolutely.

Do I consider him pro-black......eh, not as much as black man of his notoriety who made a concerted effort to start a family with a black woman.

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70. "Are his children with his wife Black?"
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Or something else?

The idea that an *individual* relationship is somehow a threat to the Black Nation, which is built on the Black family is...problematic

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85. "Sure, but being black doesn't make you pro-black. "
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91. "You missed the point"
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A Black person can be dedicated to the uplift of their nation & family & who they fall in love with doesn't have anything to do with it

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98. "Ok...."
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>A Black person can be dedicated to the uplift of their nation
>& family & who they fall in love with doesn't have anything to
>do with it

But doesn't that depend on what you think uplifting means?

I'm not about assimilating or making America one big happy family. If uplifting to you means trying to negotiate for a piece of this pie or ingratiating ourselves further into the American system then I don't necessarily agree that it's uplifting. I view the west as primarily a series of intricate con-jobs where our people are often the ones being burned.

So why would I view someone tying themselves further to the west as being pro-black?

And sure no one has to meet my personal standards of what it means to be pro-black...but the OP did kind of ask us our opinions on the matter.


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107. "I can't with your dime store nationalism shit dude"
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If you equate a person choosing to love someone of a different race as assimilation you got too much catching up to do

Good luck to you

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121. "Is it always the case? No, of course not (as I've said)"
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But seeing as how Eurocentric beauty standards still hold a lot of sway, seeing as how we still have people who marry white as a way to move up in the world....well yeah I'm not going to err on the side of your Disneyworld interpretation of love that is just some esoteric force that has no basis in the real world.


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57. "-"
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Thu Mar-24-16 08:21 AM by SoWhat

  

          

idc

fuck you.

  

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80. "wait"
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are you saying if you have your Pro-Black turned to 10 all the time

rather than the average 7-8?

  

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94. "Oh, fuck off back to the 50s with this bullshit."
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Perpetuate racism then complain about racism then perpetuate it again. Fucking morons.

At this point all you racist, reductionist, Nationalist bullshit spouting Americans live in the world you deserve.

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103. "So you're saying I should start fucking white girls to stop racism?"
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109. "I think he's saying "I'm mad because white Europeans really fucked up!""
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and I'm not okay with how you all deal with or discuss it on the internet!

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126. "No, I'm saying you shouldn't assume about other people's relationships."
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Especially when your assumptions are based on racist beliefs that are decades out of date. We've actually slid on this issue in the last few decades... it's very sad to see.

As you say, you can choose to love whoever you want - but if you choose to only attempt to love your own race... you're a fucking racist. Sorry, but there aren't many other ways to spin it.

I'll let you cook being a racist, but I'd rather you kept it to yourself.

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139. "Nope, you're not getting away with that shit."
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I want you to tell me specifically why I'm a "racist", because me choosing to date within my race in and of itself doesn't seem like a legit definition.

I didn't say anything derogatory about white people, I didn't say they were unworthy of love, I didn't call black people with white SO's race-traitors or anything of the sort.

So, really. What's racist about wanting to promote love between black people in a country that is virulently anti-black?

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144. "Ok"
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>I want you to tell me specifically why I'm a "racist",
>because me choosing to date within my race in and of itself
>doesn't seem like a legit definition.
>

Choosing to date EXCLUSIVELY within your own race clearly implies you are giving skin colour a weighting at least equivalent to personality, physical attraction, personal commonalities, shared interests... whatever - none of those things matter because a girl's melanin count is too low? And that's not racist? Why's that different from throwing a Resume away without reading it because the candidates melanin count is too high?

Both are racism. Plain and simple. Discrimination based on race. You might well feel you're doing it from a positive place, but it's hard to say that automatically filtering women from your dating pile based on their race is not... racist. That's just how language works, mate.

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152. "Thanks for the honest response. "
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>Choosing to date EXCLUSIVELY within your own race clearly
>implies you are giving skin colour a weighting at least
>equivalent to personality, physical attraction, personal
>commonalities, shared interests... whatever - none of those
>things matter because a girl's melanin count is too low? And
>that's not racist? Why's that different from throwing a Resume
>away without reading it because the candidates melanin count
>is too high?

So...your skin color isn't part of your physicality? I can judge based on other physical features but not skin color?

Also it's different than a resume because everyone needs to work/support themselves, no one has to date me so why should I make my standards the same as a business? I'm actively trying to find a life partner. I should be able to judge on whatever I damn well please, and if a white guy said the same I wouldn't object. Now if he started saying black women were ugly then yeah we've got a problem, the same would go if I said something about how ugly white women are. But I haven't done that, because I don't think their race makes them unattractive in a general sense, it means they don't fit my criteria for what I want to wake up next to.



>Both are racism. Plain and simple. Discrimination based on
>race. You might well feel you're doing it from a positive
>place, but it's hard to say that automatically filtering women
>from your dating pile based on their race is not... racist.
>That's just how language works, mate.

I don't think it's positive or negative because who I choose to date isn't a statement on the humanity of any particular race.


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They have their exits and their entrances;
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179. "hmmm..."
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"I don't think it's positive or negative because who I choose to date isn't a statement on the humanity of any particular race."

you might not be doing that, since you haven't said anything that i've read about who she coupled with, but you're certainly making a statement about HER logic/rationale about her choices that seem to be based on a what others see as illogical and racist in a way. i get what you're saying about love not happening in a vacuum but to have an either/or mentality when it comes to the subject, while your opinion, is gonna run in to some logical issues later on.

have you read:

Excuses, Excuses: The Politics of Interracial Coupling in European Culture by Mwalimu Baruti?

Red, Black, Green

  

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186. "No, but thanks for the recommendation!"
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>you might not be doing that, since you haven't said anything
>that i've read about who she coupled with, but you're
>certainly making a statement about HER logic/rationale about
>her choices that seem to be based on a what others see as
>illogical and racist in a way. i get what you're saying about
>love not happening in a vacuum but to have an either/or
>mentality when it comes to the subject, while your opinion, is
>gonna run in to some logical issues later on.

Honestly I've tried to steer clear of talking about her specifically since I don't really know much about her or her videos. I was speaking about a particular archetype the "People Revolutionary Army Guy" from I'm Gonna Git You Sucka.

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219. "that's dumb as fuck"
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184. "you manage to seem younger with each passing year"
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193. "Thanks for sharing. "
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36. "Lol Knew who it was b4 i clicked. That's a lot of explaining bro. "
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I Guess it's cool, but who's got the time?


im assuming blk&white has more of a learning Curve than blk&brown



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39. "in a truly loving relationship there really shouldn't be much room for i..."
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Other than a mutual understanding that it's an unnecessary burden that both partners have to deal with to varying degrees. Basically race and love don't mix.

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40. "you can't help who you love Derek! "
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41. "CAN YOU HANDLE IT?! BLACK AND WHITE LIKE THIS? (C) young rap "
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49. " Are we only counting black/white? "
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54. "we ALWAYS only count black/white around here"
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when we talk about anything 'interracial'.

fuck you.

  

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99. "But those are the only colours, right?"
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And everyone fits exactly into one of them.

Right?

RIGHT?

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108. "i see your two colors shining through"
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i see your two colors
and those are the only two
so don't be afraid to let them show
your two colors are beautiful
i'm a racist.

fuck you.

  

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132. "ROFL"
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134. "*dead*"
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>i see your two colors
>and those are the only two
>so don't be afraid to let them show
>your two colors are beautiful
>i'm a racist.

Superlative Laupering. Especially when you whisper the "I'm a racist" a la "Like a rainbow"

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174. "I almost choked on my damn food!"
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FOOL!

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231. "sort of perfect."
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111. "lol. i feel bad for some of these folk, man"
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101. "I tend to think in terms of Wookie and Ewok when I hear interracial "
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172. "I was wondering because that's what it boiled down to"
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In the words of the Honorable Patrice O'Neal. Black and White people are at war, and the other groups pick a side.

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106. "No."
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52. "It seems odd to me, but I can understand how the two can exist"
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Pro Black doesn't mean anti-white, or anti-any-other-ethnicity.

To be honest there always seems to be some underlying issues when situations like this pop up, but personal issues shouldn't preclude one's ability to ride for their people/community.

  

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55. "100% agreement."
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fuck you.

  

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60. "well if y'all niggas would act right lol"
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77. "I've got a lot of home girls from college that end up going white"
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And I've seen them put in the work with trifling brothers so I can't give them a hard time.

Women reach an age where they want to settle down, start a family and what not and brothers our same age are just hitting their peak of being able to pull girls and what not (at least that's what I see in my circles).



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79. "that's me all day"
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it's odd and hard for some to understand, but know me and you will.


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86. "this has LONG been a chick i'd leave my wife and kids for..."
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STILL WOULD (even after her hopefully failed marriage and the sloppy seconds it'd promise)

like die and kill for even! fine as shit, smart, witty, funny, etc.

but as far as the race thing...i could go in for VOLUMES about the dynamics of interracial couples as it relates to black interests, but in all my findings in the arguments to have a problem with it; they're wrong. too many logical flaws to just buy into the whole "coupling outside your race is not pro-black" agenda. plain and simple.

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88. "RE: this has LONG been a chick i'd leave my wife and kids for..."
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>STILL WOULD (even after her hopefully failed marriage and the
>sloppy seconds it'd promise)
>
>like die and kill for even! fine as shit, smart, witty,
>funny, etc.

Huh? really?

  

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89. "from one youtube video i knew we were soulmates"
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!

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90. "i hear Badu singing Next Lifetime when i see her"
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have a whole slo-mo video of two butterflies in a forrest n' everything

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113. "Watch more of her videos and see if you still on that. "
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97. "I couldn't do it, man. Every time I'd catch her looking at me in the sun..."
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...I'd be imaging she's thinking "aye... why this dude always gotta be so dark?"

lol

  

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115. "shit. lol"
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209. "you don't think she's insufferable and shrill?"
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If I woke up next to her I'd go get some cigarettes three states over.

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114. "One benefit of being a biracial ‘gray’ without a racial identity"
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You never really get the common bond that comes with ‘we’ and ‘us’ that come with having such a strongly established cultural identity within a particular group….. but then you don’t wind up with so many of these backward, reactionary and myopic perspectives.

When I first met my mother in law she asked me about my racial makeup, followed by, roughly, “what Is it about black women that interests you?”

My response? “Nothing. She just happens to be black and *she* interests me. Her being black is purely incidental.”

And that’s the truth. It’s purely incidental. I wasn’t looking for a particular race. I didn’t even look for blondes or brunettes, blue eyes or brown. Oh, I see color. It’s obvious when someone is black or Asian or, generally, Latino. I see it. It’s just not a factor one on end or the other. At all.

I don’t worry about what my friends will say. I don’t worry about how we will be perceived. I don’t worry about what “message” I’m sending. I’m not forced to appease the whims and expectations of “my people”.
I’m just a person who found another person with whom I happened to be a compatible companion and the rest is history.

What tripped me out about my mother in law’s question was realizing how multiracial my wife’s family is, and then when I look at my circle of friends we’re a mixed bunch as well. My entire family, as it were, is a huge melting pot and what makes that a beautiful thing isn’t the mixing of different races on a “we are one”, but the fact that it’s a complete non-issue. And frankly, isn’t that the ideal world?

Where you simply are who you are and you love who you love and nobody bats an eye and there’s no pressure from any side to lean toward or away from someone based on a factor as uncontrollable as the skin you were born into, up to and including a perfectly natural and reasonable inclination to roll with your own WITHOUT pressing upon your brother that he should do the same?

Still, that’s my family bubble. We’re GOOD on this one. We got this one figured out.

Our little slice of multiracial utopia doesn’t resolve the larger issue of race relative to power structures and socioeconomic hierarchies. There’s something to be said for building on cultural traditions and maintaining a community and an identity derived from those shared bonds and history. I’m not mad at that, but it does irk me when people take issue with those who break away from that. Maybe I wouldn’t feel this way with different experiences but I have to admit, I feel rather free in this regard.

Whenever I see some white friend (It’s almost always a white friend) on facebook spouting some dumb, feigned bit of deep thought about how “people need to get over the race issue! It makes no different black white brown yellow whatever!” , I groan and cringe. I roll my eyes whenever these people link up a clip of Morgan Freeman talking about the solution is to not talk about race anymore because THAT is usually presented in a way that misses the mark entirely.

  

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125. "i think more precise than being a 'grey'"
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is simply having more perspective. having a broader worldview ESPECIALLY one that isn't bound up in one's particular racial demographic and it's particular (albeit stereotypical) worldview.

having multiple viewpoints and not being boxed into just ONE that you have to ride for is an intellectual advantage in my opinion.

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143. "'grey'? We talkin about love between two cultures not Mulder and Scully"
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166. "Meanwhile, I was talking about myself in a mildly humorous way"
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In other words, I don’t really fall into a particular group.

I’m just sort of there. I don’t identify along any real racial lines from a cultural standpoint and I was referring to myself.

He/she was merely echoing my own phrasing regarding myself. If that bothers you, build a bridge fam.

  

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171. "The story's cool it's how folks don't see how silly all this sounds"
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black, white, grey -- the world can not be adequately viewed or understood in this myopic fashion.

To be for real I feel like every time I talk about people in terms of black and white I get a little dumber, but if you don't use that type of language people have a hard time understanding what you're trying to say so I lower my own standards for the sake of "communication".

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164. "Yeah I'm not fucking with this 'intellectual advantage' shit"
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Intellectual advantage?

I dunno about that. I’d say it’s freeing. I’d say I don’t have many of the burdens that come with having a strong racial identity. But that’s part of the broader issue: there are burdens that come along with the territory because race is still an issue. Thus the drive for races to become more insular.

I don’t support some ranbow coalition agenda where everyone should be encouraged to marry and procreate outside their race.

I support the idea of simply letting people love who they love. Further, I support the notion of deading these judgments that come with a laundry list of reasons why marrying outside of your race is bad, bad, bad and how it’s killing or hindering efforts to __________ or whatever.

I think each is an individual who should be free to pursue the mate of their choice without pressure to extend the family name, so to speak. Like, when I had my son, people would say things like “now you have someone to continue your legacy. Meanwhile, I already had a four year old daughter.

Again, perhaps this is due to not growing up with my father and not giving two fucks about his last name or carrying the bloodline or whatever, but uh….nah. My daughter had that shit on lock before my son was ever conceived.

So I don’t play a lot of this traditionalist shit. My wife and I hyphenated our last name. I don’t particularly care who takes which name either. I don’t trip on folks who value such things as long as they don’t impose them on their children or relatives or friends.
So while I understand the desire to procreate and maintain the line of one’s race, I don’t like this thing were people get taken to task for finding love outside their race.

  

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127. "I call bullshit that your POV is superior and the less backward"
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,reactionary and myopic perspective.

I also call bullshit to the notion that anyone's race is "incidental" to who they are.


I have notice that among my friends the bi-racials folks tend to be in the happiest relationships with other bi-racial people. But that has nothing to do with the superior more expansive world view of bi-racial multi-cultural people, only that they have more in common with other bi-racial people. Similar to the commonality that black people are saying in here they have with other black people.


I should also tell you I pretty much lifted what you said in that North Korean Post and cut to my facebook discussion on the same topic, with no citation, because you articulated that very well.



>You never really get the common bond that comes with ‘we’
>and ‘us’ that come with having such a strongly established
>cultural identity within a particular group….. but then you
>don’t wind up with so many of these backward, reactionary
>and myopic perspectives.
>
>When I first met my mother in law she asked me about my racial
>makeup, followed by, roughly, “what Is it about black women
>that interests you?”
>
>My response? “Nothing. She just happens to be black and
>*she* interests me. Her being black is purely incidental.”
>
>And that’s the truth. It’s purely incidental. I wasn’t
>looking for a particular race. I didn’t even look for
>blondes or brunettes, blue eyes or brown. Oh, I see color.
>It’s obvious when someone is black or Asian or, generally,
>Latino. I see it. It’s just not a factor one on end or the
>other. At all.
>
>I don’t worry about what my friends will say. I don’t
>worry about how we will be perceived. I don’t worry about
>what “message” I’m sending. I’m not forced to appease
>the whims and expectations of “my people”.
>I’m just a person who found another person with whom I
>happened to be a compatible companion and the rest is history.
>
>
>What tripped me out about my mother in law’s question was
>realizing how multiracial my wife’s family is, and then when
>I look at my circle of friends we’re a mixed bunch as well.
>My entire family, as it were, is a huge melting pot and what
>makes that a beautiful thing isn’t the mixing of different
>races on a “we are one”, but the fact that it’s a
>complete non-issue. And frankly, isn’t that the ideal world?
>
>
>Where you simply are who you are and you love who you love and
>nobody bats an eye and there’s no pressure from any side to
>lean toward or away from someone based on a factor as
>uncontrollable as the skin you were born into, up to and
>including a perfectly natural and reasonable inclination to
>roll with your own WITHOUT pressing upon your brother that he
>should do the same?
>
>Still, that’s my family bubble. We’re GOOD on this one. We
>got this one figured out.
>
>Our little slice of multiracial utopia doesn’t resolve the
>larger issue of race relative to power structures and
>socioeconomic hierarchies. There’s something to be said for
>building on cultural traditions and maintaining a community
>and an identity derived from those shared bonds and history.
>I’m not mad at that, but it does irk me when people take
>issue with those who break away from that. Maybe I wouldn’t
>feel this way with different experiences but I have to admit,
>I feel rather free in this regard.
>
>Whenever I see some white friend (It’s almost always a white
>friend) on facebook spouting some dumb, feigned bit of deep
>thought about how “people need to get over the race issue!
>It makes no different black white brown yellow whatever!” ,
>I groan and cringe. I roll my eyes whenever these people link
>up a clip of Morgan Freeman talking about the solution is to
>not talk about race anymore because THAT is usually presented
>in a way that misses the mark entirely.


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155. "Very much bullshit."
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One could even argue that it's very naive.

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162. "Care to elaborate beyond calling bullshit?"
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I don’t know about this “superior” thing.

Saying my view here is somehow superior definitely wasn’t my intention and I'll gladly ease up the gas if that’s how it came across. My overarching thought was that while I lack that sense of community, I have a certain satisfaction and feeling of freedom without the burden of this notion that I "should" or "must" abide by the whims and feelings of anyone else in regard to my choices regarding my love life.

I suppose I do find it a superior view to not bat an eye at who the next man or woman chooses to date, marry and procreate with to the dogmatic approach that allows anyone else to have so much as an opinion who someone decides to date, marry, procreate with or what have you. I think that’s backwards.

That said, let’s just be clear about the context of this conversation in that we're not discussing situations of abuse, or dating a person who is just straight up bad news and the like.

>I also call bullshit to the notion that anyone's race is
>"incidental" to who they are.

I’m saying my wife’s race was incidental within the context of *my* interest. My interest was sparked by the sum total of who she is as a person but her race really didn’t play a role in my interest level. I would not have been more or less interested in her if she had the same personality and core values but just so happened to be of a different race. If we get into, say, how her race shaped her worldview and whatnot then that’s obviously a factor in who she would ultimately become and that could definitely alter whether or not that person would be compatible with me and vice versa, but my point is that I liked HER. She just so happened to be black.

I don’t have a preference in race in the slightest. There are some things that, under the microscope of a psychologist who knows about certain critical people in my life, could conceivably point to why I was so comfortable with her and how her race played a role perhaps on a subconscious level in all this, but that’s another story.
Frankly I think that’s perfectly fair and valid.

>I have notice that among my friends the bi-racials folks tend
>to be in the happiest relationships with other bi-racial
>people. But that has nothing to do with the superior more
>expansive world view of bi-racial multi-cultural people, only
>that they have more in common with other bi-racial people.

I can’t vouch for how happy or unhappy any of these unions are. My guess is most are happy but I’d hardly list “biracial couple” as a top ten reason. I think the general feeling of instant acceptance within the family and the fact that nobody makes bones about anyone dating someone who isn’t black as a whole illustrates the kind of people they are: warm and inviting.

I’m speaking in terms of, again, the freedom of that landscape. Nobody has to appease anyone. Everyone’s concern is, hey, are you happy? Healthy? No shenanigans? Cool. That makes us happy because we love you. The end. There’s serious freedom there and yeah, that’s the ideal. Not that “hey, everyone is bi racial!” but that “hey, everyone is free to love and be loved by whomever they choose!”. I think that’s a significant distinction.

I’d say my closing statements brought more depth and insight to my perspective here: I pointed out that while I may have this happy utopian interracial bubble, that doesn’t change the factors in the rest of the world that drive things the way they do. Race is still an issue. I said there’s something to be said for- i.e, there’s value in- building a strong community of said race. I just don’t think anyone should be discouraged or otherwise hindered in venturing out from that if that’s where their heart lies.

And yeah, that’s freeing. Superior? I mean, I guess. I certainly didn’t look at it that way. I think that’s a better way of living for all of us. I also think the world is very far from the sort of climate where everyone could actually relax on this matter because that would entail the end of racial hierarchies to the point where the world at large no longer values lighter skin greater than darker skin.

Personally I think my thoughts on this are reasonably nuanced, though perhaps I spoke more out of passion in my previous post and maybe came across as less diplomatic than I intended, but I thought I brought things full circle well enough to get what I was saying.

>Similar to the commonality that black people are saying in
>here they have with other black people.

I’m cool with that and I lamented that I have missed out on the benefits of that sort of grouping from the jump. I’ve written posts in the past about how it can feel a bit lonely on some Tigger shit because, fuck man, where do I fit in? Because I don’t. I really don’t
This post was simply lamenting one side effect/benefit of that that I’ve discovered for me personally.

>I should also tell you I pretty much lifted what you said in
>that North Korean Post and cut to my facebook discussion on
>the same topic, with no citation, because you articulated that
>very well.

Well hell, that’s a compliment. Thanks for that.

  

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137. "I just don't wanna hear about Black family and Black beauty from them."
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Their interest is obviously not the Black family, and their ultimate
choice where beauty is concerned is anything but Black. Yes, this
goes for anyone married to a non-black person.

I'd see things differently if we we're 60% of the population, white
folks were 13% and we were dealing with issues of Black privilege
and white folks were being routinely, unjustly killed by law enforcement, etc.
But it's the opposite.
For hundreds of years, they tried to wipe us out with through
all types of methods. Now we help them with our own genetic annihilation.
I don't really see alotta biracial children being raised pro-Black lol.
You have the rare ones who look Black and have some very Black
experiences that lead them to join the movement, but I do see many
of them who do their damnedest to look white and only date white,
so in 2 generations, you have been wiped out.

Most people in interracial relationships are more pro-interracial
or even pro-white-supremacy than pro-black. Have you seen the clip
about how alotta Black South Americans opt for non-Black partners
so that their children won't have to experience the struggle that
is being Black there? That's white supremacy destroying you.
It really doesn't matter if it's out of fear or your idea of love.
It works exactly the same way.





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142. "Nah fam, we fixed racism, colorism, and white supremacy already remember..."
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All black people love themselves, and their skin, and their heritage so it's all gravy now. All black men recognize the variety of human beauty and are just as likely to complement a girl for her rich ebony skin as they are a pale alabaster girl. Right? Right?


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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153. "Lol, you'd think so reading some of these comments."
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214. "This generalization is hilariously off-base"
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"For hundreds of years, they tried to wipe us out with through
all types of methods. Now we help them with our own genetic annihilation."

Wouldnt race-mixing and interracial relationships also mean their own genetic annihilation, being that there are more non-white people on earth than there are white people?

"Most people in interracial relationships are more pro-interracial
or even pro-white-supremacy than pro-black."


You got data for this or are you just generalizing based off your inability to accept the fact that someone can fall in love with a person not based on their race and still be pro-black?

My pops is black. Married a white woman. My mom. Raised a phenomenal family. Good role model. Put me onto Malcolm X, James Baldwin, Black History, etc. Im pro-black mainly because he was pro-black.

Is Swizz Beats more capable than my dad of being pro-black, even though he has like eight baby mommas, because he dates within his race?

Your generalization and thought process is no different than the racist things pro-white people say.

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216. "It's spot on. It just hits home for you."
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>"For hundreds of years, they tried to wipe us out with
>through
>all types of methods. Now we help them with our own genetic
>annihilation."
>
>Wouldnt race-mixing and interracial relationships also mean
>their own genetic annihilation, being that there are more
>non-white people on earth than there are white people?


America is 60% white... 13% Black.
Just do the math.
You can almost divide 60 by 13 five times.
So no... only one of us would be annihilated.



>"Most people in interracial relationships are more
>pro-interracial
>or even pro-white-supremacy than pro-black."
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>
>You got data for this or are you just generalizing based off
>your inability to accept the fact that someone can fall in
>love with a person not based on their race and still be
>pro-black?



This accusation would make sense if I'd said "all"... but I didn't for a reason.




>My pops is black. Married a white woman. My mom. Raised a
>phenomenal family. Good role model. Put me onto Malcolm X,
>James Baldwin, Black History, etc. Im pro-black mainly because
>he was pro-black.
>
>Is Swizz Beats more capable than my dad of being pro-black,
>even though he has like eight baby mommas, because he dates
>within his race?
>
>Your generalization and thought process is no different than
>the racist things pro-white people say.
>


Nah, it's way different, because "pro-white" people don't have
the history we have. That's like saying a person who defends
themselves is no different than the person attacking them without cause.




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226. "your people survived the most brutal form of slavery ever designed"
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and you think interracial relationships are a threat

you're a garden variety bigot

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233. "Yep, and imagine how many us there'd be if we'd *all* survived."
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For you to even go there just shows your innate insensitivity...
or did you learn that? Either way, you're a savage and a pathetic human being.

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235. "a savage and a pathetic human being"
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Is what I get called for pointing out the strength & survival mechanisms of an amazing group of people

Why?

Because shoot the messenger & ideological dogma

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237. "Correct"
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Mainly because, after all these years, you still can't even
understand why that was the wrong thing to say or why your presence
in this conversation isn't helpful at all.

That's all the time I have for you though. You've proven yourself
unworthy of my time, time and time again.

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238. "this is a public forum & I am in a long term interracial marriage"
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That has resulted in 5 beautiful children

Yet I have no right to discuss the subject

Again, sir...you are a simple bigot, you are intolerant & judgmental & I hope one day you grow up & move beyond your small-degreed absolutism

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240. "Oddly, you think this post is about you. (stereo)typical"
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>That has resulted in 5 beautiful children
>
>Yet I have no right to discuss the subject



Correct again.


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245. "please find the forum rule that I have violated "
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this subject is intensely personal to me bc of my actual life

And you remain a bigot

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247. "Still haven't figured out the post isn't about you"
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255. "RE: Still haven't figured out the post isn't about you"
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At the very most you would have to divide my posts in here by the total post count to determine how much I think it's about me

Do that math & respond

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225. "these are their ideological partners fwiw "
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory

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273. "RE: This generalization is hilariously off-base"
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Again, you have zero data. You're just making a generalized statement about people who are in an inter-racial relationship. Which is part of the problem with people who dont like inter-racial relationships.

And your numbers for whites and black in America still dont account for the fact that non-whites outnumbers whites on a world-wide scale by a large margin. So your point is moot

None of what you say makes any sense and is just as problematic as people who are actually racist, which im guessing you are not.

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141. "Why is it..?"
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That a Black person who dates/marries a non-Black person can't speak on Black relationships, but a Black person who dates/marries Black can speak speak on IR relationships?

How I see it, if a Black person feels that Blacks in IR relationships should be limited on what they can or can't discuss, then the same should be applied to Blacks in non-IR relationships.

  

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148. "I think it's how those people discuss it that's the issue "
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if you strip away all the nonsense.

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189. "IMO, it goes beyond that"
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When will Black folks be honest about this shit? Let's face it, IR relationships, especially when a Black person is involved in one, is still looked upon as being socially unacceptable to the point where people feel that it is acceptable to mistreat and disrespect those who are involved in IR relationships.

Off the rip, a Black man or young man involved in an IR relationship is considered a coon. It doesn't matter why he chose to be in his relationship, he is already labeled as such. A Black woman or young woman involved in an IR relationship is labeled a Negro Bed Wench. I find that to be very appalling and disrespectful.

In all, it is acceptable to shame those who choose certain partners, but at the same token those who are shamed is supposed to take said abuse as well as censor him/herself on what he/she can speak on?

By the way, I am not in an IR relationship, but I am not opposed to being in one, if I happen to meet someone who happens to be non-Black and fits my mold.

If a Black person is against IR relationships, then that is their business, but don't go around telling those who are in IR relationships what they can or can't say, do or can't do on top of smiting said individuals and expecting them to just take it.


I just hate seeing hypocrisy and double standards taking place and people really need to mind their business when it comes to who people choose to deal with.

  

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158. "If a health-nut married an obese person I would take their advice with a..."
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That's pretty much it. Doesn't mean that they don't know what they're talking about, it just means I'm less inclined to ride for their opinions.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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161. "what? why?"
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do you think the health nut controls what their spouse eats or cooks all the meals for their spouse and is the cause of their spouse being obese?

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Sometimes you have to look reality in the face and say 'No!'
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If you need any help, don't. Hesitate to ask.

  

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169. "Nope, and it doesn't mean the obese person isn't amazing in a bunch of w..."
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I just think it's weird their gung-ho about living a healthy lifestyle with someone who isn't.

  

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165. "LOL"
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sheesh.

fuck you.

  

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168. "You lost me with that one breh"
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Trainers wife fay chiks all the time. Don't mean they can't give good advice on how I could increase my bench.

  

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170. "I never said that it reflects on their own knowledge and skill"
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I think it's weird to let something like that impact so much of your life except your love life.

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And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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173. "You sound ridiculous if u think like that"
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181. "Fair enough, I went too far....but be honest..."
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If you had a trainer and you met their SO...and their SO was huge you wouldn't be taken aback? Just a little?

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They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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211. "Yea I guess"
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I mean I've seen it before. 3 times actually. I don't know if it's a common thing or not. But anyway 1st time I seen it yea I was confused. So I get that part of the analogy. But in no way did that make me take his fitness advice less seriously. But yea it just doesn't fit even tho I feel where u were going with it. I would take a ultra pro black persons opinion (on some, not all) issues less serious. Like if that trainer with the big boo started preaching the importance of having a spouse as health conscious and into fitness as you are, I'd be like gtfoh breh.

  

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176. "wow"
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196. "You’re impressionable and place heavy stock in appearances? "
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You’re basically saying you’re highly impressionable and place far more stock in appearances than facts.

Whatever works for you man.

I know, I know, a lot of people say what you more or less said, “I wouldn’t take health advice from a fat guy”

Personally I don’t ride for the opinion of the *person*. The person is immaterial. I don’t evaluate the person, I evaluate the information. I ride for any opinion with strong of factual/logical merit. So if a fat guy gives me health, nutrition, and fitness advice and it makes sound logical sense, I’ll do my homework and see if his advice holds up.

Why? Because knowledge exists prior to and independent of the messenger and when I take advice and heed opinions, I heed the veracity of the content and context of the information at hand.

Some fat slob of man can know a shit ton about nutrition. He could be fat for a million reasons and whether he chooses to utilize the knowledge he possesses has absolutely zero bearing on how accurate that knowledge is.

  

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199. "I'm sure you're entirely objective and impartial always. You're a Vulcan..."
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"All the world's a stage,
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They have their exits and their entrances;
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200. "You said you put more stock in image than information"
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It doesn’t take a Vulcan to see how impressionable that makes you

  

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202. "I never said their advice should be outright discarded...."
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only that something should count for practicing what you preach.



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203. "Agreed.....if they’re a preacher."
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If there’s some moral grandstanding in play then yes, I agree- set the example.

If you’re a personal trainer, yes, it’s probably better for your business to present the picture of health and fitness.

But all things being equal the bottom line is the veracity of information. You’re more likely to sign up under a guy who looks the part but one thing I’ve learned over the years is that we’d all be surprised to learn who really knows what in this world and there’s probably a significant discrepancy between applicable knowledge/understanding against actual experience.

I parent exactly as I said I would prior to having children. I knew exactly what to do and how to do it and I knew what my weaknesses would be as a parent beforehand. Some things just aren’t rocket science and people tend to learn an awful lot from simple observation and exposure….. and then you reach a level where there IS a science at play and there ARE techniques that work that help you refine your abilities.

It’s not that I’m overtly objective 100% of the time, but yes, I’ve learned to expect good information to arrive via sometimes unexpected messengers and I’ve found that I learn more the more I open myself to the idea that great teachers can come in many forms.

  

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205. "Yeah I got no beef with what you said. It wasn't a great analogy on my p..."
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Oddly enough my girlfriend and I had a convo about this.

She doesn't agree with me more than I'd say 30%. I'm the only black guy she's ever dated (She's East African) and she feels like a lot of the people in this post....but she gets where I'm coming from because she knows a lot of "pro-black" people are only "pro-black" when it's convenient. In their personal relationships be they friends or partners they don't seek to be around black people.

I don't think she's less black because I'm her first black boyfriend. But she also is fairly apolitical, and her values when it comes to relationships have very little to do with ethnicity or culture.

Am I in the extreme? Yes, I'm a black nationalist. But I'm upfront about it. My girlfriend knows that I didn't choose her because she's African, but she knows that when I was trying to find someone the pool of women I'm wading into is made up of black women. It's important to me that I marry a black women and that I help start a black family.

But that's my choice, and my views, and I don't think anyone is less black for holding different views. We just disagree about what it means to be pro-black.


Oh and she hated the analogy too...but then again she's also a health nut so....



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221. "I fux with you but not so much this comparison lol."
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To me, the interracial-dating, pro-black issue is more about the
effects than the way one's personal ideals influence their love life.
The health nut dating a gleefully fat person may pose some issues as
far as how to raise children or where/what to eat for dinner, but the
immutability of race, the history, the systemic challenges, etc
just make the issue at hand far more complicated.

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149. "I married black. Franchesca is more passionate about blk issues than me "
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say she's just going hard because she wants to be known
say it doesnt make sense for her to go hard and be down with the swirl
what matters (to me) is she's going hard for us as an extension of going hard for herself
crazy how people (here/elsewhere) online critique others without doing much for the sake of black betterment

it's no different than people who tried to discount Malcolm X because of gay rumors

  

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163. "What do these videos do for the betterment of black people? "
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178. "her hair videos are actually very well done"
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lots of information, advice, inventiveness...

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185. "Im going off of the example from the original post"
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she stood up and she stood up loudly

she should be able to do so without having to worry about internet bigotry

  

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160. "I followed her on youtube"
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she is not what i would call pro-black
she started on youtube doing hair and comedy videos
some of her comedy videos had racial commentary
the pro black girl is not her tumblr page

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175. "As one"
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Fuck y'all with your prejudice and silly assumptions. Most of you are not as pro Black as you think or claim to be. I get that all the time but most people that got in my face about that proved to be lame brains.

time is money, money is time
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I'm saving to buy my freedom, God, grant me wings, I'm too fly not to fly _ Saul Williams

  

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177. "you white?"
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188. "No. I'm Black and I'm Black and I'm Black "
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But other Black folks try to gag me on the account that the SO is White. Like my pro Black rights have been revoked because I'm not with a a Black woman. People are dumb.

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195. "oh lawd. you messing with a WHITE JOINT?"
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aww damn.

  

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215. "Life, man..."
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I moved to Canada from Texas as a single dude for work.The little city I live in, it's 1 Black dude for at least 150 White folks. The few Black chicks I met while dating were not keepers.The odds were against me and shit just happened, like it happens to all of us. No one plans that shit. What's messed up is now I'm engaged, I'm established, I know more people,now I see the Black chicks that I would have pounced on,in my single days but oh well...LOL

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230. ":("
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im so sorry.

although, it's never too late.

call it all off.

she be aiight.

  

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192. "What makes you pro-blacker?"
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>Most of you are not as pro Black as you think or claim to be.

Just out of curiosity.

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They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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213. "And that's the thing right?"
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I really think it means defending and promoting the empowerment and success of Black people, Black culture and their rights to grow in a society that ssystematically marginalize them.
The catch is who is Black and who's not? Is Black just one thing? Can non-Blacks be pro Black?

time is money, money is time
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I'm saving to buy my freedom, God, grant me wings, I'm too fly not to fly _ Saul Williams

  

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180. "Can't trust a nigga who intermingles with Yurugu. "
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187. "Your thoughts on Obama? "
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217. "He is the WORLD's Most Militant Black Man......."
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Obama is the most Militant Black Man on the planet, but he’s not identified as such because he conducts his violence on behalf of the Western Empires.

If he was 1/1000000th times as Militant in the cause of Social Justice or Black Liberation he’s be the most hated; by both the Western Powers and the New Negros who love him the most.

(Not only is Obama the official Commander and Chief of the US military, he has relentlessly deployed the forces of the US across the globe, not only did he sustain the wars Bush started, he as opened up new conflicts including laying the foundation for a new Cold War between the US and Russia.

Plus his Kill List, and increasing the military budget more than Bush.

If you don’t define Obama as a Militant, then who the hell would fit that description?

Oh, and Obama’s violence is in support of an ideological belief system, so, he’s a Militant in every sense of the word.)


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224. "Gotcha I had to look up yurugu. How does that concept relate here?"
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Is the implication that these pro blacks who are in realtionships with non blacks are deficient and seeking completeness in the wrong person or something to that effect?

I had made the mistake of thinking yurugu was a epithet of sorts for Europeans which is why I asked about Obama.

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234. "I tend to think people outside of IR Relationships over think them"
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even more so than the people in them.



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182. "Chescaleigh and her WHITE husband discussing #BlackLivesMatter"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q2DZ2nLxNA


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183. "and?"
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fuck you.

  

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190. "Does that also mean you cant be pro-black if youre mixed??"
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By the logic of some of these posts

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191. "Do you choose if you're mixed?"
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Do you choose who you marry?


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194. "re:"
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You're implying that someone basically cant be problack and love a white person. Call it choice, attraction, whatever. Its basically saying you cant be problack and fall in love/be with a white person. I love my white mom. Doesnt make me any less "pro-black."

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198. "So you think I'm implying that you can't love your mom...because she's w..."
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One of my most black-power spouting friends is bi-racial and he dates all types of girls. We disagree about this one issue. I don't consider him pro-black by my definition, but I also don't think he's a coon for dating outside of his race. He's thinks I'm to much of a hardliner. Our aims and definitions of pro-black differ. Simple as that.

By the way, I love his white mom too. She's awesome and a real down leftist...but if she was my age I wouldn't consider a relationship with her because it doesn't fit into how I want my life to be.

No one said that associating with white people, loving white people, marrying white people, etc. strips you of being black.

However in my mind pro-black also includes promoting black domestic life. If you don't agree that's cool, but no one said that you have to hate all white people.


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212. "RE: So you think I'm implying that you can't love your mom...because she..."
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Guess we disagree on the def of problack as it relates to family.

To me being problack means you are a good father/wife to your kids. You represent your race in a "pro" or positive way. That in itself promotes the "black domestic life" aspect in my opinion, being that the cliche stereotype is black-dead-beat dads. If you are black and an excellent parent to your kids, regardless of the race of their mother, to me promotes a pro-black domestic lifestyle.

I see no issue with anyone being problack and dating outside their race. If Malcolm X ended up marrying a white woman it would not change my opinion one bit due to his thought process and efforts to help black people as a whole. His domestic life has no bearing on his ability to be pro-black.

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223. "So your idea of pro-Blackness is to not be a stereotype."
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It's awesome to be a decent person, but that reminds me of Chris Rock, and
"niggas always want a cookie for shit they *supposed* to be doing."
Being a father to your kids is nothing more than normal.
Surely pro-Blackness must be more than that.

As for Malcolm X, considering some of the things he said about
appreciating and valuing our natural African features, he would
absolutely deserve the fiercest side-eye for marrying and procreating
with a white woman.

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227. "RE: So your idea of pro-Blackness is to not be a stereotype."
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I believe in recognizing every human being as a human being--neither white, black, brown, or red; and when you are dealing with humanity as a family there's no question of integration or intermarriage. It's just one human being marrying another human being or one human being living around and with another human being.

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248. "RE: So your idea of pro-Blackness is to not be a stereotype."
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That was only about a 3rd the quote...

"I believe in recognizing every human being as a human being, neither white, black, brown nor red. When you are dealing with humanity as one family, there's no question of integration or intermarriage. It's just one human being marrying another human being, or one human being living around and with another human being. I may say, though, that I don't think the burden to defend any such position should ever be put upon the black man. Because it is the white man collectively who has shown that he is hostile towards integration and towards intermarriage and towards these other strides towards oneness. So, as a black man, and especially as a black American, I don't think that I would have to defend any stand that I formerly took. Because it's still a reaction of the society and it's a reaction that was produced by the white society. And I think that it is the society that produced this that should be attacked, not the reaction that develops among the people who are the victims of that negative society."

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256. "none of.that discredits the substance of what I quoted"
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He matured, many haven't

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258. "It gives it context... something you've consistently ignored"
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>He matured, many haven't

He changed his views. That doesn't necessarily mean maturation,
and it doesn't mean his new view was completely correct.
He even said, in that very same interview, that he changed his views
partially because he didn't think Elijah had a concrete action plan
to create a separate state for Black people.

What's even more is that, in the quote, he says he doesn't believe
in recognizing people by color, but a few answers earlier, he was
talking about Black folks forming a vigilante committee to protect
ourselves. What is this classification "black" if he's just
recognizing people as humans "neither white, black, brown nor red" ?
His views weren't infallible. Nor were the exactly the most thought-out
at that time, especially considering his foundation had been shaken
and he was rebuilding.

Furthermore, he's talking about his spiritual beliefs in that quote.
Nobody here has said an interracial couple isn't two human beings
living with and around one another. Hell, we all agree with that lol.

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262. "everything you said is for the most part obvious to anyone"
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Who ever studied the man beyond a surface level

But the subject of this post in relationships between individuals

And my whole point has been that, yes, pro-Black people can & do interact & marry interracially

Which goes back to Pro-Blackness not being anti-whiteness particularly on an individual level

Therefore being coupled with a white person but Pro-Black is not a contradiction or something that waters down Pro-Blackness

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271. "One would think so"
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>Which goes back to Pro-Blackness not being anti-whiteness
>particularly on an individual level



On that, we can agree.




>Therefore being coupled with a white person but Pro-Black is
>not a contradiction or something that waters down
>Pro-Blackness




On that, we can agree to disagree.


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272. "we can"
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And I also want to apologize for calling you a bigot, that was unfair as I'm certain you treat fellow humans with respect & dignity

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274. "I never mentioned the word sterotype"
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I said represent your race in a pro or positive way. The father thing was used as an example because we are discussing the relationship aspect. People are "supposed" to do alot of things, doesnt mean you cant get credit for being a decent human being in a world that has been fucked up toward people of color.

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201. "Wouldn't pro black mean you want black folks to have the same"
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access to the same things as everyone else? Therefore shouldn't you support a black person being able to marry whoever they want and not have to deal with a bunch of horseshit as a result?

Is it just white folks that throw their pro-black cred out the window?

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204. "You're absolutely right..."
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And I don't go around talking to IR couples out on the street because they don't deserve to be hassled, and quite frankly I have no reason to hassle them. They should be able to live their lives however they want.

However my definition of pro black is black nationalism, so if asked my opinions on domestic life then I'm going to promote black domestic life.

Also, no...I don't think only white people create that situation...it can be with any race...hell it can be within the race if colorism is a strong enough factor.


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206. "love the sinner, hate the sin "
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207. "Weird...I don't recall making a moral judgement at all. "
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208. "I find your view to be fundamentalist"
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253. "Ok, and I think you're taking this really personal...."
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Even though I didn't condemn you or anyone you love.


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218. "black nationalism is an archaic concept and not"
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the ideal of pro blackness in 2016

sorry breh, CLR James (and his wife), Audre Lorde (and her partner), and James Baldwin (and his lovers) have done more for the revolutionary dream / vision, practice and praxis of emancipatory "pro" Blackness than you or I, AND THEY ALL HAD WHITE PARTNERS.

your position is just an L

and cause you've spent years on this board i know you are puerto rican as well, even tho you claim you don't claim it as an identity, which is really fucn odd, no matter how anti-black certain elements of certain Latin@ communities can be

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you keep cooking in here tho

  

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249. "Yeah, but I don't agree with your ideas about what's pro-black."
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You're saying all this shit like I'm suddenly going to just be like, "Oh, you're right. The way I view the world is bullshit because James Baldwin fucked white dudes." James Baldwin is one of my favorite writers, and I think the world of the black leaders that came before me....

But why does that mean that I have to take the path they set me on as the end all be all of social progression? Seriously, why do I have to think that? These people aren't gods, and I don't have to treat them the way Tea Partiers treat the founding fathers of America. They were social, cultural, and political giants...but they weren't prophets from god.


Seriously fam, we have a genuine disagreement about ideology. I'm willing to just leave it at that.

  

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257. "there are no gods fam, anywhere"
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period.

I pointed those people out because they are very important to the convo we are having...

and we do have a disagreement on ideology

no one wants you to be on some "oh my gawd" you're right. but I would like you to admit that the MANY who have given us an inspirational and radical vision/dialogue/praxis of Blackness where intimate with non-blacks or "alt"-Blacks themselves. Blackness is a multitude, a plethora of experience, and you are trying to reduce it, make it linear... straight up, NAH, no es el camino

and again, how can you be pro-Black with a concept, the nation aka nationalism, that emerges directly out of the petite capitalist state of the 1700s in Europe, and was turned on it's head during the 60s by various Black activist, scholars, and artist attempting to subvert or overthrow WSCP. In the end it only to reproduced many of the patriarchal, sexist, power-over, hyper-violent shit of the state that was trying to erase us. a "nation-state" in which the seizing of it's power Franz Fanon (ohh one of those dudes fucking a white girl) warned us against in the opening chapters of Wretched of the Earth and later in Towards the African Revolution.

  

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222. "This is a straw man."
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The post isn't about the freedom to date interracially.

It's about claiming pro-blackness white dating interracially.


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229. "good point."
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232. "it seems more about a few zealots defining for the rest of Black America"
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What "true" pro-Blackness is

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236. "Or a white guy named Philpot trying to define it for us all"
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239. "I am not trying to define anything, that is a bold faced lie"
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I am defending the idea that human beings should not be judged for who they choose to love

You are judging & defining people for who they choose to associate with...basic bigotry likely rooted in a constructed sense of self that is teetering on destruction & is only sustained by judgment & hate

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241. "Right, and as of now, it's also a lie that I've defined it."
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So we even.

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210. ""Does it matter Obama is married to a black woman?" Thread ending questi..."
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Seriously. Lard is going in, respectfully as fuck too. He's not dissing anyone or calling them any names.


Philpot trying to take most noteworthy whitesplaining concern troll spot of OKP from scooterbug

  

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220. "Sun! This whole reply is fuckin awesome, lmfao."
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228. "they appear to be very deeply in love"
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If anything beyond that matters to you I literally feel bad for you

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250. "Tell me that nothing else matters when you die..."
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and get reborn as a black man or a black woman.


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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242. "Is it safe to say if you say "I LOVE Black women" but you don't "
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get with a black woman, then you don't love black women enough to HAVE to get with one?



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243. "Oh, I know their answer to this one..."
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something along the lines of "I love Black women just like I love
all women. I just so happened to end up with a white (or other race) one."





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244. "I thought this post was gonna be about Cornel West"
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and other Pro-Black men who marry non-Black women. Henry Louis Gates, Sidney Poitier, Harry Belafonte. So on and so forth.

Receipts- http://madamenoire.com/232267/its-all-love-pro-black-men-who-were-surprised-dated-or-married-white-women/15/

There's over 244 posts about one black woman who's in an IR, and no mention of the man pro-Black, scholarly-ass men who marry non-Black women?

Only on OKP.

  

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246. "Reply 13"
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>and other Pro-Black men who marry non-Black women. Henry
>Louis Gates, Sidney Poitier, Harry Belafonte. So on and so
>forth.
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>Receipts-
>http://madamenoire.com/232267/its-all-love-pro-black-men-who-were-surprised-dated-or-married-white-women/15/
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>There's over 244 posts about one black woman who's in an IR,
>and no mention of the man pro-Black, scholarly-ass men who
>marry non-Black women?
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>Only on OKP.

I think it's in reply 13

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252. "I think you're right, but to be clear my statements applied to"
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both genders. I mean the "People's Revolutionary Army Guy" is the best known example in pop culture right?


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They have their exits and their entrances;
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251. "Oddly enough my girl and I hung out with an IR couple last night."
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The couple is WM/BW and they were awesome. They really seem like they fit well together and I hope we get to hang out again (I don't have too many friends who have serious relationships).

But this girl was very clearly not pro-black. She's definitely a progressive, but she seemed very enamored with the idea of having a mixed baby, and the idea of IR couples in general.

I couldn't help but think about this thread the entire night. I don't think that girl is in any way shape or form running away from being black, but she didn't seem to be "pro-black" in any way. I don't think she would be for the advancement of black people outside a general desire to see humanity advance...

And really that's where I differ from some people. I don't think that impulse is wrong, but I also don't subscribe to that type of general, amorphous humanism. I'm for black people specifically, and I don't think that makes me a racist. I'm not down to lay other groups low, but I want to see Africans in the Diaspora and at home achieve great things. If other peoples are moving humanity forward I'm down to give praise where praise is due....I'm just curious why I have to put my energy towards working with other groups instead of focusing exclusively on the group that I belong to? I want to focus all of my energy towards black people be it at work or at home.


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254. "I'd say the advancement of humanity as a whole should trump all"
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Before anyone gets cute and starts wigging out about Hitler or some shit, let's not be ridiculous.

"How" is just as important as "what" and it's not much of an advancement of we've done so through barbaric means.

So no, I don't think there should be some conscious effort to promote IR relationships and create nothing but mixed race children anymore than I think we should discourage anyone who prefers to roll with their own. Yes, that also includes whites who aren't interested in procreating with other races. So long as folks don't get carried away trying to impose and/or enforce a particular agenda in anyone else its all good.

Its sort of like Christians who are against gay marriage: if its not for them, it's not for them. If you're not down with gay marriage, don't practice it. To me the line is drawn when they start trying to impose that view on others who don't share it.

I think "advancement" in this regard is really quite simple: everyone just live and let live and let the chips fall where they may, not a push toward a particular goal.

**To be clear, you're actually right in line with what I'm talking about: you have your feelings and views on the matter and passionate though you may be, you're not trying to impose or enforce that on anyone else. That's an important distinction and an example of my ideal of human advancement IMO.

  

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259. "White folks gotta tie back into humanity so mixing is of highest priorit..."
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Side note most Black chicks wifed by White guys while physically attractive are corny as fug in general.

Most Black guys wifing white chicks date down (be it physically, economically, status wise etc)
So this leads me to say what is the ultimate goal... Can you really have a genuine IR in a anti Black world that does it's best to cock block Black men.


Naw B.

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261. "the human family mixing genetic code that are farthest apart "
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Makes perfect sense when it comes to human survival

Interracial unions which result in children could be said to be the furthest from inbreeding & thus likely to create a very good gene pool

We had a joke in my hometown that there were so many interracial couples because all the Black folks were related to each other

We don't die, we multiply homie ...

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263. "The genetic diversity between two black folk (related)"
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Is greater than any other group why because it takes hundreds of thousands of years not a few thousand to get that much diversity.

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264. "link?"
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And please apply specifically to the Blavk diasporic experience in America

Fwiw I am by NO MEANS suggesting that Black men & women together is some sort of inbreeding, I want to make that entirely clear

My point is, in America, particularly rural areas & small towns, partnering interracially has genetic benefits for the future gene pool

You also continue to have no proof that so called white people originated only a few thousand years ago even though it is well known that humanity began in Africa

Ie just because you're original doesn't make me a copy

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265. "On the continent is one thing but in a small post slavery US town "
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Maybe not so much

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266. "you could argue this can increase Black presence in these areas too"
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Every white woman having a mixed baby is a white woman with one less white child

I almost feel terrible saying it & the white genocide movement would probably want to kill me but fuck it

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267. "The last 500 years can't change the genetic diversity of 500k years"
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And Blacks in the US are truly the original people of the planet.

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268. "I don't doubt the first humans were brown skinned people "
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But anything beyond that I couldn't say.

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269. "Bruh modern science has no idea how old humanity is but I am willing to ..."
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it is a lot older than what they currently know by at least 100k years

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/03/06/adam-gene-chromosome-help-date-first-man.html

Don’t call him 'Adam': South Carolina man’s genes help date first man
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Human sex-determining chromosomes: X chromosome (left) and the much smaller Y chromosome.
Human sex-determining chromosomes: X chromosome (left) and the much smaller Y chromosome. (University of Arizona)
You're older than you think.

DNA from an unnamed African-American from South Carolina is so distinctive that it led scientists to a unique conclusion: The roots of the human tree date back much further than previously thought.

"This lineage diverged from previously known Y chromosomes about 338,000 years ago, a time when anatomically modern humans had not yet evolved," said Michael Hammer, an associate professor in the University of Arizona's department of ecology and evolutionary biology and a research scientist at the UA's Arizona Research Labs. "This pushes back the time the last common Y chromosome ancestor lived by almost 70 percent."



The human Y chromosome – the hereditary factor determining male sex -- is unlike the other human chromosomes in one key way: the majority of it doesn’t exchange genetic material with other chromosomes, making it a simple way to trace ancestral relationships.

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If two Y chromosomes carry the same mutation, it is because they share a common paternal ancestor at some point in the past. The more mutations that separate two Y chromosomes, the further back in time the common ancestor lived. And the South Carolina man’s genes -- obtained by a consumer genetic testing company and given to the National Geographic Genographic Project -- have more than any seen to date.

“ lineage didn't fit anywhere on the existing Y chromosome tree, even though the tree had been constructed based on perhaps a half-million individuals or more. Nobody expected to find anything like this," Hammer said.

The fossil record dates back about 200,000 years, he said; this chromosome goes back to an even earlier time. Either interbreeding with Neanderthals or other populations led to the unusual genetic makeup, he said, or humans evolved far earlier than the extant fossil record suggests.

Either way, this isn’t proof of “Adam,” Hammer said.

The scientist quashed suggestions that the DNA could point to a “Garden of Eden” first man and woman scenario, a so-called "mitochondrial Eve" or "Y chromosome Adam." Human evolution is far more complex, he said.

It’s a misconception that the genealogy of a single genetic region reflects population divergence. Instead, our results suggest that there are pockets of genetically isolated communities that together preserve a great deal of human diversity."

Indeed, it’s likely that additional discoveries will push that lineage back further, he noted.

The results are published in the American Journal of Human Genetics.

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260. "people like Grace Lee Boggs are why this view is flawed "
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