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John Forte
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"With the exception of MJ and Prince, the 80s were a pop culture low poin..."

compared to the 70s and 90s.

Music: The 70s had Stevie and Marvin at the height of their powers. Real FUNK, and Amazing Rock. The 90s had the golden age of hip-hop along with grunge and alternative rock.

Most 80's rock and r&b is characterized by synths and general cheesiness, although the 80s gave us the GOATS in the subject line.

Film: The 70s were the auteur decade, giving us the best work from Scorsese, Coppola, Kubrick. Blacksploitation films were a cultural phenomenon, as black filmmakers were given access to resources to make feature films in real numbers. Arguably the best decade for genre films like Horror and Martial arts.

90's brought back some of the 70s auteur vibe with Tarantino and Spike Lee (although Lee's Magnum opus was released in 1989, the majority of his good films are from the 90s). Black cinema was at a high not seen since the 70s, with films like Menace, Boyz, Soul Food, The Best man, The Wood, Friday, Eve's Bayou and others.

The 80s were the decade of the Big action star. Rocky, which had been a character-driven indie in the 70s, became an over-the top boxing super hero. Roided out dudes blowing shit up everywhere. It's also the decade in which the Oscar-bait prestige film was created. Take a look at the Best Picture winners from the 80s and tell me how they stack up to the 70s and 90s films.

Television: This is what actually inspired this post (that Cosby thread). There are no 80s comedies that stack up to Sanford and Son and All in The Family. TV execs experimented with shit like SNL and The Richard Pryor Show. The 80s are when tv went safe and middle-brow.

The 90s hit us with The Simpsons In Living Color and Seinfeld. TV Dramas got edgy with shows like NYPD BLUE and Homicide: Life on the Street

We love this 80s shit out of nostalgia, but it's not great.

p.s. Eddie Murpy's best film is "Life" (1999), not "Coming to America" (1988)

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
npa.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	1
u gotta throw madonna in with mj and prince tho...she was rgt thr.	mikediggz	Sep 17th 2015	2
in that case add springsteen too!	Binlahab	Sep 17th 2015	4
so u dont thk madonna was as big as prince? u trippin.	mikediggz	Sep 17th 2015	8
Overrated and his best work is from the 70s	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	11
please shut up.	Binlahab	Sep 17th 2015	18
Born To Run is his best album, sorry	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	25
Janet was there too.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	6
Best work in the 90s	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	12
Control and Rhythm Nation >>>>>>>>>>> rest of her career, dogg	Dr Claw	Sep 17th 2015	13
Rhythm Nation is dated. Janet and The Velvet Rope better	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	16
"...Janet and The Velvet Rope better"	Teknontheou	Sep 17th 2015	39
I tried to revisit Rhythm Nation recently and couldn't make it through	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	50
That says more about YOU than about RN.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	71
doesn't matter. Control and RN are the bomb.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	27
id truly wanna fight you in person for this.	Binlahab	Sep 17th 2015	3
LOFL	astralblak	Sep 19th 2015	213
'its gon rain on yo head' (c) Color Purple	seasoned vet	Sep 17th 2015	5
^ the motherfuckin Color Purple was there.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	7
A+ reply	ShinobiShaw	Sep 17th 2015	162
Public Enemy	thegodcam	Sep 17th 2015	9
Forte didnt like PE... too black, too strong	legsdiamond	Sep 17th 2015	15
Or I don't like to listen to shouting rappers	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	19
Oh, so you dont like GFK?!	infin8	Sep 17th 2015	40
it was the 80's nigga... PE didnt sound dated until the 90's	legsdiamond	Sep 17th 2015	44
Chuck was older than his contemporaries, and it showed in his flows	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	48
I dont trust niggas who dont fuck with PE.	legsdiamond	Sep 17th 2015	51
I think aspects and segments of the '80s were low points.	Dr Claw	Sep 17th 2015	10
i came into this post to mention leon sylvers.	Mike Jackson	Sep 17th 2015	76
Quality posting, as usual, Claw	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	79
What about the Soviet collapse?	Shaun Tha Don	Sep 19th 2015	212
dude you really need to find another posting lane. The 80's were awesome...	ThaTruth	Sep 17th 2015	14
Rap was born in the 70s and peaked in the 90s	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	17
Co-sign - the 80's had some good things but pop culture came alive more ...	c71	Sep 17th 2015	20
http://www.memes.com/img/267106	CyrenYoung	Sep 17th 2015	21
trading places.	CyrenYoung	Sep 17th 2015	22
cheers.	CyrenYoung	Sep 17th 2015	23
Night Court. Golden Girls. Family Ties.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	29
i truly appreciate his feeble attempt at mad-making...	CyrenYoung	Sep 17th 2015	61
lofl at any of these shows some thing yall watched	astralblak	Sep 19th 2015	214
hill street muthafuckin' blues.	CyrenYoung	Sep 17th 2015	24
Unquestionably one of the high points of the 80's	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	26
john hughes.	CyrenYoung	Sep 17th 2015	28
No one over 55 or under 30 fucks with those John Hughes films	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	31
so an entire generation of people don't matter?..	CyrenYoung	Sep 17th 2015	33
Or its appeal lies more in nostalgia than quality	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	35
that explains why so many artist/producers borrow heavily from his work....	CyrenYoung	Sep 17th 2015	38
family ties...	CyrenYoung	Sep 17th 2015	30
miami fuckin' vice...	CyrenYoung	Sep 17th 2015	32
Bo Jackson...Montana/Marino...Jordan/Johnson/Bird....Gretsky	ambient1	Sep 17th 2015	34
Sports aren't pop culture	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	36
lol..............riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight	ambient1	Sep 17th 2015	42
It's not art crafted of an era. It just isn't	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	45
dude didnt say one word about the games... those athletes were a part	legsdiamond	Sep 17th 2015	49
Yes they are	Neez	Sep 17th 2015	53
Sidenote: I've noticed that YT regards the 70s as a low point,	Teknontheou	Sep 17th 2015	37
blame disco.	CyrenYoung	Sep 17th 2015	59
A truly great genre pushed forth by blacks, Latinos and gays	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	63
it had a good run but shit ran its course	legsdiamond	Sep 17th 2015	73
And think of how several genres of club music proliferated after it	Lardlad95	Sep 19th 2015	210
motown got too funky, the stones "sold out,"	Mike Jackson	Sep 17th 2015	83
JF is the Skip Bayless of OKP	legsdiamond	Sep 17th 2015	41
the wonder years.	CyrenYoung	Sep 17th 2015	43
i loved that show	legsdiamond	Sep 17th 2015	47
newhart.	CyrenYoung	Sep 17th 2015	46
Official Tissue	13Rose	Sep 17th 2015	85
So Forte is the Case One of Pop Culture....Hmmmmm.	Buddy_Gilapagos	Sep 17th 2015	52
Nah I hold unpopular opinions. He's obstinate in the face of logic and r...	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	56
So you are the Case One of pop culture..	legsdiamond	Sep 17th 2015	65
And it's called fatih, something you admittedly lack.	Case_One	Sep 17th 2015	125
Whoa Whoa Whoa, You ain't about to turn me into a label.	Case_One	Sep 17th 2015	123
bon jovi.	CyrenYoung	Sep 17th 2015	54
Yuck. You were doing so well, too	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	55
opinions may vary, but the numbers don't lie...	CyrenYoung	Sep 17th 2015	58
and those numbers show the 80s were trash	astralblak	Sep 19th 2015	215
Woah, woah WOAH. (That's english for "stop a horse".)	TheAlbionist	Sep 17th 2015	57
OUTRAGEOUS! © lionel richie.	CyrenYoung	Sep 17th 2015	60
Also better in the 70s	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	62
his legend spans several decades.	CyrenYoung	Sep 17th 2015	68
RE: Also better in the 70s	murph71	Sep 17th 2015	70
no he wasn't, the commodores are barely funky.	Mike Jackson	Sep 17th 2015	80
This reply has merit. Agree to disagree.	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	81
RE: no he wasn't, the commodores are barely funky.	murph71	Sep 17th 2015	94
smh... these niggas man	legsdiamond	Sep 17th 2015	99
i'm talking about "can't slow down" lionel.	Mike Jackson	Sep 17th 2015	141
RE: i'm talking about "can't slow down" lionel.	murph71	Sep 17th 2015	155
i agree.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	163
this post has me rolling	Government Name	Sep 17th 2015	179
crying	Government Name	Sep 17th 2015	180
LOL...	Dr Claw	Sep 18th 2015	199
I always thought the 80s were corny as fuck	ConcreteCharlie	Sep 17th 2015	64
every era is corny...	CyrenYoung	Sep 17th 2015	67
Giants are Giants and Waves are Waves	c71	Sep 17th 2015	84
true but when you sift through the trash, there are gems in the 70s/90s	ConcreteCharlie	Sep 17th 2015	188
I'm thinking more gritty 70s	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	72
You could argue that either way	ConcreteCharlie	Sep 19th 2015	208
RE: With the exception of MJ and Prince, the 80s were a pop culture low ...	murph71	Sep 17th 2015	66
The emotional component is the key part to any POAST	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	69
True.	Neez	Sep 17th 2015	75
Back To The Future	wluv	Sep 17th 2015	74
Don't love back to the future, but you and the Albionist make good point...	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	77
The 80's Rocked!	Bucks50Grand	Sep 17th 2015	78
im gonna semi-agree here	MiracleRic	Sep 17th 2015	82
Jordan peaked in the 90s too	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	88
true	MiracleRic	Sep 17th 2015	90
post punk/ new wave/ whatever you call jangly, 80s pop	Mike Jackson	Sep 17th 2015	86
Talking Heads, The Smiths, The Cure, Pixies, Sonic Youth	Madvillain 626	Sep 17th 2015	95
I could argue that Talking Heads lean 70s and REM and SY lean 90s	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	98
Daydream Nation came out in 88, so..	shockzilla	Sep 18th 2015	195
Which is why I didn't try that bullshit argument.	John Forte	Sep 18th 2015	197
the motherfucking Nintendo Entertainment System.	Mike Jackson	Sep 17th 2015	87
^^^	MiracleRic	Sep 17th 2015	91
Super Mario Bros.	Shaun Tha Don	Sep 19th 2015	211
I think your post would have went over well more...	murph71	Sep 17th 2015	89
With the exception of NWA and PE allof the hip hop you named	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	92
hmmm	MiracleRic	Sep 17th 2015	93
RE: hmmm	murph71	Sep 17th 2015	100
80's synth pop was the shit too	legsdiamond	Sep 17th 2015	108
Star Wars 5 & 6, MTV, Transformers, Wild Style, TR-808	TRENDone	Sep 17th 2015	96
I was waiting on Star Wars. Episodes 4 and 5 are great, 6, not so much	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	102
plus they're set in the distant past so they're not 80s movies.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	107
What's your take on MTV? the 808 drum machine?	TRENDone	Sep 17th 2015	150
909 > 808	cgonz00cc	Sep 18th 2015	196
i respect your opinion. 808 is more popular tho.	TRENDone	Sep 18th 2015	198
rap in the 80s was no more or less pop culture than techno	cgonz00cc	Sep 18th 2015	203
motherfuckin House Music & goddamned Techno.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	97
daps	PoppaGeorge	Sep 17th 2015	119
Counter-culture not pop culture.	denny	Sep 17th 2015	122
THIS	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	124
too bad.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	128
yeah but...Toronto	cgonz00cc	Sep 17th 2015	129
hello.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	130
I checked....	denny	Sep 17th 2015	132
oh sweetie....	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	133
number 37 on the 'hot dance billboard charts'?	denny	Sep 17th 2015	134
yeah... that isnt true.	legsdiamond	Sep 17th 2015	135
sigh	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	136
Well yah.	denny	Sep 17th 2015	137
Mm-hmm, pumpkin.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	138
ALL OKP arguments are a combination of semantics, blind hate/loyalty	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	139
And fools talking out of their ass and being exposed w/actual factuals.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	142
you're both right though	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	144
nah.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	147
It's like saying GoGo was pop culture because	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	149
RE: It's like saying GoGo was pop culture because	murph71	Sep 17th 2015	153
This is an interesting sub-post: go-go or go-go influenced crossover son...	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	156
RE: This is an interesting sub-post: go-go or go-go influenced crossover...	murph71	Sep 17th 2015	159
except it's not.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	157
There were a couple house/techno acts that crossed over.	denny	Sep 17th 2015	148
pats head	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	151
RE: number 37 on the 'hot dance billboard charts'?	murph71	Sep 17th 2015	152
yup.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	158
RE: yup.	murph71	Sep 17th 2015	161
you see it.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	164
#143 for this with videos and shit.	PoppaGeorge	Sep 17th 2015	160
fam, the videos were playing on BET and MTV all day long	PoppaGeorge	Sep 17th 2015	143
sorry fam, the Simpsons were first seen in '87	PoppaGeorge	Sep 17th 2015	101
Doesn't matter.	denny	Sep 17th 2015	103
and it sucked. Peaked in the 90s	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	104
well he was born in the 1950s so he should be on the 50s team.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	106
My argument is based on when the best art was released	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	110
right so since OTW was released in 1979 it doesn't matter that	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	113
Don't sell yourself short	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	115
that's true - i'm so awesome i can play stupid pretty well.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	116
There is NO argument in terms of music.	denny	Sep 17th 2015	105
Or cinema	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	109
naw.	SoWhat	Sep 17th 2015	111
RE: With the exception of MJ and Prince, the 80s were a pop culture low ...	double 0	Sep 17th 2015	112
The 80's were punk/hardcore's reign...	Big Kuntry	Sep 17th 2015	114
underground music was peaking in the 80's	debo40oz	Sep 17th 2015	187
the best p-funk album came out in the 80s.	Mike Jackson	Sep 17th 2015	117
fuck outta here	Madvillain 626	Sep 17th 2015	186
I wouldn't be mad at that choice	Dr Claw	Sep 18th 2015	201
something seriously wrong with y'all	lfresh	Sep 17th 2015	118
^^^facto.	now or never	Sep 17th 2015	140
actually I think the 80s were when pop culture	Mr. ManC	Sep 17th 2015	120
I appreciate this thoughtful reply. You have raised a point I never cons...	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	121
RE: actually I think the 80s were when pop culture	murph71	Sep 17th 2015	146
The 80's was like the age of expression and bold ambition.	Case_One	Sep 17th 2015	126
i was gonna point out how wrong you are...but it's already in FULL effec...	Calico	Sep 17th 2015	127
The 80s has long been my least favorite decade for music/movies	Hitokiri	Sep 17th 2015	131
I'd agree, re: cinema. Most critics would too, I'd think.	Frank Longo	Sep 17th 2015	145
don't fall for this!	lfresh	Sep 17th 2015	166
Oh, that's true. Considering that, I'd still give the nod to the 1970s.....	Frank Longo	Sep 17th 2015	171
I'm not sure box office is the best measure of pop culture impact	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	173
Um, I wouldn't be so sure about this part:	mrhood75	Sep 17th 2015	175
yep and doesn't include cult films into pop culture as a thing like	lfresh	Sep 17th 2015	181
This is where I think the 90s shine	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	182
That's true of the '70s too tho	mrhood75	Sep 17th 2015	183
Agree, and I put the 70s and 90s above the 80s.	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	184
IMHO, the majority of the top grossing movies of the '80s were great fil...	mrhood75	Sep 17th 2015	185
tipping point in terms of individual fame does not equal quality though	ConcreteCharlie	Sep 19th 2015	205
I honestly can't stand to watch a lot of it from a filmography perspecti...	Dr Claw	Sep 18th 2015	202
Ferris Bueller's Day Off	atruhead	Sep 17th 2015	154
Comic books in the '80s:	mrhood75	Sep 17th 2015	165
you left out some of the more important shit	PoppaGeorge	Sep 17th 2015	167
1. Because I did it off the top:	mrhood75	Sep 17th 2015	168
Hadn't considered comics. You're right.	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	169
I don't have to list the comics of the 70's, if you don't know how	c71	Sep 17th 2015	170
But no one could call the '80s the "low point" of comics.	mrhood75	Sep 17th 2015	172
80s comics birthed this era's cinema.	Buddy_Gilapagos	Sep 17th 2015	176
Most DC comic book movies, sure. It's why they're all so "dark"	mrhood75	Sep 17th 2015	177
This is true, some pretty killer shit	ConcreteCharlie	Sep 17th 2015	189
You're welcome to your opinion - you're just wrong	Wizdom	Sep 17th 2015	174
No Retreat, No Surrender came out in the 80's your whole argument	ShinobiShaw	Sep 17th 2015	178
Van Halen 1984, The Police Synchronicity, and ZZTop Eliminator	J_Stew	Sep 17th 2015	190
also, how could I forget Springsteen Born in the USA	J_Stew	Sep 17th 2015	191
The Police also released their best work in the 70s	John Forte	Sep 17th 2015	192
RE: The Police also released their best work in the 70s	murph71	Sep 17th 2015	193
Nope. Those first two albums are killer. Name your 5 favorite police son...	John Forte	Sep 18th 2015	194
Phil Collins/Genesis, I mean it wasn't totally devoid of anything good	ConcreteCharlie	Sep 19th 2015	207
How old are you?	jswerve386	Sep 18th 2015	200
turkeys are tripping Rick James, Lionel RIchie,Luther vandross	mistermaxxx08	Sep 19th 2015	204
i think younger people place rick james more in the 70s, which is wrong	ConcreteCharlie	Sep 19th 2015	206
Rick had a strong pressence in both eras	mistermaxxx08	Sep 19th 2015	209
yeah george clinton for sure though if you had to choose, 70s for him	ConcreteCharlie	Sep 20th 2015	217
RE: With the exception of MJ and Prince, the 80s were a pop culture low ...	Tiggerific	Sep 19th 2015	216
The 80s were awesome.	80s Wall Street Guy	Sep 20th 2015	218

SoWhat
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:36 AM

1. "npa."
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fuck you.

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mikediggz
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:39 AM

2. "u gotta throw madonna in with mj and prince tho...she was rgt thr."
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Binlahab
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:40 AM

4. "in that case add springsteen too!"
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FOH.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
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mikediggz
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:42 AM

8. "so u dont thk madonna was as big as prince? u trippin."
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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:47 AM

11. "Overrated and his best work is from the 70s"
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Binlahab
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:55 AM

18. "please shut up."
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we are done here

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:59 AM

25. "Born To Run is his best album, sorry"
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SoWhat
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:41 AM

6. "Janet was there too."
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and Whitney Houston.

fuck you.

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:48 AM

12. "Best work in the 90s"
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Dr Claw
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:49 AM

13. "Control and Rhythm Nation >>>>>>>>>>> rest of her career, dogg"
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she had classics in the 90s

but nothing approaching those two albums

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:51 AM

16. "Rhythm Nation is dated. Janet and The Velvet Rope better"
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Teknontheou
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:16 AM

39. ""...Janet and The Velvet Rope better""
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You don't mean that.

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:27 AM

50. "I tried to revisit Rhythm Nation recently and couldn't make it through"
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SoWhat
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:00 AM

71. "That says more about YOU than about RN."
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SoWhat
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:01 AM

27. "doesn't matter. Control and RN are the bomb."
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And they're 80s.

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Binlahab
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:39 AM

3. "id truly wanna fight you in person for this."
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how DARE you put life ahead of coming to america, clown!? are you on flakka?

synthetic weed? what is the issue here

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

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Sat Sep-19-15 03:44 PM

213. "LOFL"
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:41 AM

5. "'its gon rain on yo head' (c) Color Purple"
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SoWhat
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:41 AM

7. "^ the motherfuckin Color Purple was there."
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fuck you.

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162. "A+ reply"
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thegodcam
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:43 AM

9. "Public Enemy"
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*******************************************************
i will not let finite disappointment undermine infinite hope
- Cory Booker

Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes, and at the end the Germans always win
- Gary Lineker

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legsdiamond
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:49 AM

15. "Forte didnt like PE... too black, too strong"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:55 AM

19. "Or I don't like to listen to shouting rappers"
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With dated flows over discordant production. But, nah, u rite. Too black for me.

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infin8
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:17 AM

40. "Oh, so you dont like GFK?!"
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hmmmph.

IG: amadu_me

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legsdiamond
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:21 AM

44. "it was the 80's nigga... PE didnt sound dated until the 90's"
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you alway looking back 30 years talking about dhut sounding or looking dated.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:26 AM

48. "Chuck was older than his contemporaries, and it showed in his flows"
In response to Reply # 44

Compare Chuck's flow to KRS, Kane, Rakim or G Rap were doing in 1988. Or even what EPMD were doing.

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Thu Sep-17-15 09:27 AM

51. "I dont trust niggas who dont fuck with PE. "
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drop squad please get this man

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Dr Claw
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:47 AM

10. "I think aspects and segments of the '80s were low points."
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:51 AM by Dr Claw

in general, the Reagan Era was the last time when being WHITE(!!!!!!) was also "cool". and not only that, but in a dominating manner. as a result, anything that wasn't that, was swept under the rug or stood out like a sore thumb. in MURRICA, there was a heavy sense of '50s nostalgia undercutting that (and that was some bullshit. We could talk all day about the socioeconomic changes in that time that more or less enforced or tried to relive this). In that way, there was a lot of squareness and "holy shit, this was 198X?" feeling about a lot of stuff in that decade that kind of gets overlooked, especially early on.

I mean, it's a reason why Eddie Murphy was SUCH a standout talent back then.

However, the '80s wasn't this overly gaudy, synthesized, MTV-ed up era, nor was it solely this square, stodgy era. The (late) '80s is also when rap music got into one of its greatest, if not GOAT periods. New Jack Swing (a byproduct) also happened. all that ain't getting rolled up into the '90s.

I'm also annoyed (word to Neez) that the proliferation of synthesizers is often pointed to as a "low point" in the '80s. you have to be more specific. it wasn't the synthesizers, they had those in the '70s. Stevie Wonder wouldn't have reached GOAT status without them. it was the people who tried to be PRINCE and one-man-band it without the vision and ear that brought a lot of the music down on an aesthetic level.

because PRINCE was one of the few in that decade who really made that work. a lot of others who don't get a lot of credit as well (Kashif, Leon Sylvers et al)

As for films, I don't like a lot of stuff in the '80s (mostly because of the pass violent films got), but there are some good ones in the bunch.

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Mike Jackson
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:18 AM

76. "i came into this post to mention leon sylvers."
In response to Reply # 10

my heart broke when he shit on
"80s synthesizers."

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Thu Sep-17-15 10:23 AM

79. "Quality posting, as usual, Claw"
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Sat Sep-19-15 03:36 PM

212. "What about the Soviet collapse? "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

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ThaTruth
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:49 AM

14. "dude you really need to find another posting lane. The 80's were awesome..."
In response to Reply # 0

for Miami Vice alone. And music videos. The birth of rap music and hip-hop culture. Eddie Murphy. Air Jordans.

Kill yourself.

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Thu Sep-17-15 08:54 AM

17. "Rap was born in the 70s and peaked in the 90s"
In response to Reply # 14

Miami Vice is not a good show. That's nostalgia talking. It was ambitious though. I'll give it points for that.

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c71
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:56 AM

20. "Co-sign - the 80's had some good things but pop culture came alive more ..."
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the 70's and 90's to me.

When you can take a LOT away from an era, and 1985 - 1988 (as I said in that Richard Pryor biopic post where I had some flak about it) then you have to take points away.

And I do take points away from the 80's for getting too cheesy 1985 -1988.

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Thu Sep-17-15 08:56 AM

21. "http://www.memes.com/img/267106"
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http://www.memes.com/img/267106

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Thu Sep-17-15 08:57 AM

22. "trading places."
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:59 AM

23. "cheers."
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SoWhat
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:02 AM

29. "Night Court. Golden Girls. Family Ties."
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fuck you.

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Thu Sep-17-15 09:40 AM

61. "i truly appreciate his feeble attempt at mad-making..."
In response to Reply # 29

..but mr. forte is on one today.

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astralblak
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Sat Sep-19-15 03:46 PM

214. "lofl at any of these shows some thing yall watched"
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and were entertained by

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Thu Sep-17-15 08:59 AM

24. "hill street muthafuckin' blues."
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:01 AM

26. "Unquestionably one of the high points of the 80's"
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:02 AM

28. "john hughes."
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:05 AM

31. "No one over 55 or under 30 fucks with those John Hughes films"
In response to Reply # 28

With the exception of Bueller, all horribly overrated by people who grew up with them.

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CyrenYoung
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:10 AM

33. "so an entire generation of people don't matter?.."
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..ok.

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Thu Sep-17-15 09:13 AM

35. "Or its appeal lies more in nostalgia than quality"
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:16 AM

38. "that explains why so many artist/producers borrow heavily from his work...."
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:17 AM by CyrenYoung

..year after year.

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CyrenYoung
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:03 AM

30. "family ties..."
In response to Reply # 0

..what'll we do, bay-beh
without us?
{shah-la-la-laaaaaah!}

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Thu Sep-17-15 09:06 AM

32. "miami fuckin' vice..."
In response to Reply # 0

..had the entire WORLD wearin' cheap suits & loafers with no socks.

hell, if you didn't have a cameo/guest appearance on miami vice, you didn't exist in the world of entertainment.

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Thu Sep-17-15 09:13 AM

34. "Bo Jackson...Montana/Marino...Jordan/Johnson/Bird....Gretsky"
In response to Reply # 0
Thu Sep-17-15 09:13 AM by ambient1

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Coolin...

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:14 AM

36. "Sports aren't pop culture"
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:17 AM

42. "lol..............riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight"
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Coolin...

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:21 AM

45. "It's not art crafted of an era. It just isn't "
In response to Reply # 42

Transcendent athletes can bleed into the realm of pop culture, but the games are not.

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legsdiamond
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:26 AM

49. "dude didnt say one word about the games... those athletes were a part"
In response to Reply # 45
Thu Sep-17-15 09:30 AM by legsdiamond

pop culture

all those athletes were part of the greatest marketing movements in sports history...

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Neez
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:31 AM

53. "Yes they are"
In response to Reply # 36

You watch that 30 for 30 Oakland raider doc with Ice Cube?

And I don't even like sports

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Teknontheou
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:14 AM

37. "Sidenote: I've noticed that YT regards the 70s as a low point, "
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musically. I've seen this sentiment a few places over the years and it always blows me away because that's probably the high-water mark for post-WWII Black popular music.

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Thu Sep-17-15 09:38 AM

59. "blame disco. "
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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:43 AM

63. "A truly great genre pushed forth by blacks, Latinos and gays"
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:04 AM

73. "it had a good run but shit ran its course"
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Lardlad95
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Sat Sep-19-15 02:16 AM

210. "And think of how several genres of club music proliferated after it"
In response to Reply # 73

went away.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

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Mike Jackson
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:29 AM

83. "motown got too funky, the stones "sold out,""
In response to Reply # 37

and disco was burning up the charts.

every era is great if you like
the music of the era.

>musically. I've seen this sentiment a few places over the
>years and it always blows me away because that's probably the
>high-water mark for post-WWII Black popular music.

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Thu Sep-17-15 09:17 AM

41. "JF is the Skip Bayless of OKP"
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:19 AM

43. "the wonder years. "
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:24 AM

47. "i loved that show"
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:22 AM

46. "newhart."
In response to Reply # 0

..hi, i'm larry.
this is my brother, darryl.
and this is my other brother, darryl...

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Thu Sep-17-15 10:31 AM

85. "Official Tissue"
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I loved watching that show.

This post was paid for by the following.

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52. "So Forte is the Case One of Pop Culture....Hmmmmm. "
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**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:33 AM

56. "Nah I hold unpopular opinions. He's obstinate in the face of logic and r..."
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legsdiamond
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:50 AM

65. "So you are the Case One of pop culture.."
In response to Reply # 56

cause you are letting your personal opinion trump facts...

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Thu Sep-17-15 11:33 AM

125. "And it's called fatih, something you admittedly lack. "
In response to Reply # 56

So, don't backhand me just to make yourself look good.
.
.
.
"Love your haters until they can love themselves and then love them further." ~ J. Case

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Thu Sep-17-15 11:32 AM

123. "Whoa Whoa Whoa, You ain't about to turn me into a label. "
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.
.
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"Love your haters until they can love themselves and then love them further." ~ J. Case

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Thu Sep-17-15 09:31 AM

54. "bon jovi."
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:32 AM

55. "Yuck. You were doing so well, too"
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:37 AM

58. "opinions may vary, but the numbers don't lie..."
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..bon jovi sold a LOT of albums in the 80s.

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astralblak
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Sat Sep-19-15 03:49 PM

215. "and those numbers show the 80s were trash"
In response to Reply # 58

lol

yall in here proving Forte's point

but y'all are old as dirt, so nostalgia is playing a HUGE factor in these replies

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TheAlbionist
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:35 AM

57. "Woah, woah WOAH. (That's english for "stop a horse".)"
In response to Reply # 0

The birth of rave culture and explosion of ecstasy completely changed dancefloors across the world in the 80s; house and techno, the Second Summer of Love and the rise of the warehouse party/illegal rave. Frankie Knuckles. Derrick May. Juan fucking Atkins. YOU GOT THE LOVE. Marrs. S-Express. Yazz. Black Box.

Pop was on fire... Thriller thru Bad, 'Madonna' thru Like A Prayer were both of the biggest ever pop stars best periods and almost perfectly book-ended by the start and end of the 80s.

Prince.

Birth of Hip Hop or at least finding its feet as a major cultural force. Public Enemy. Run DMC. Beastie Boys.

MTV was born.

Two Tone ska... The Specials, Madness, Bad Manners, The Beat.

Tail-end of Blondie, Diana Ross, ABBA, Joy Division/New Order, QUEEN and Fleetwood Mac.

Whitney Houston

Frankie Goes To GATDAMN Hollywood

Guns n Roses

Culture Club, The Police, Eddy Grant, UB40

Neun und Neunzig Luftballons

Pet Shop Boys

Hell, the SIMPSONS started in 1989. Arguably the most successful piece of pop culture ever.

I'm definitely a 90s kid, but the 80s were what allowed the 90s to happen. Everything we loved in the 90s was rooted in revolutions from the 80s.

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Thu Sep-17-15 09:39 AM

60. "OUTRAGEOUS! © lionel richie. "
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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:40 AM

62. "Also better in the 70s"
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:58 AM

68. "his legend spans several decades. "
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..that's why he's a legend.

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murph71
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:59 AM

70. "RE: Also better in the 70s"
In response to Reply # 62

^^^^^^^ The only sensible thing you've posted...That and your Bon Jovi side eye...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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Mike Jackson
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:24 AM

80. "no he wasn't, the commodores are barely funky."
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:30 AM by Mike Jackson

Lionel is better doing that "Miller-Boyette" r&b. (c) dr. claw

that is what comes from his soul the best.

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:27 AM

81. "This reply has merit. Agree to disagree. "
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murph71
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:46 AM

94. "RE: no he wasn't, the commodores are barely funky."
In response to Reply # 80

FOH...lol

"ZOOM" destroys that entire premise....Nah man..."Dancing On The Ceiling" Lionel ain't fucking with 70s Lionel...at all....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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legsdiamond
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:02 AM

99. "smh... these niggas man"
In response to Reply # 94

Solo Lionel Richie was great pop music but funky never entered my mind when he was on his solo run.

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Mike Jackson
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Thu Sep-17-15 12:30 PM

141. "i'm talking about "can't slow down" lionel."
In response to Reply # 94

love will find a way?
running with the night?!

hell, even the country songs on
that album go.

meanwhile, lionel richie's
funk sounds like it's got on a 3 on it to me.
it's stepped on.
it's cut.

and not in an awesome, chaka khan in the 80s way.

it just sounds forced.

like steve harvey in that band
talking about "when the funk hits the fan."

rick james is more funky than
lionel richie.

that ain't saying much...lol

>"Dancing On
>The Ceiling" Lionel ain't fucking with 70s Lionel...at
>all....

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murph71
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Thu Sep-17-15 12:59 PM

155. "RE: i'm talking about "can't slow down" lionel."
In response to Reply # 141

That was a good period still with one foot in that milk toast pop quicksand LR was about to sink in...

I think Lionel is one of the greatest songwriters of his era....He's also responsible for some of the most bullshit MOR shit ever recorded in the '80s....

70's Lionel >>>>>> '80s era Lionel....Not too many folks would disagree with this unless they are Celine Dion fans....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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Thu Sep-17-15 01:35 PM

163. "i agree."
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fuck you.

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Thu Sep-17-15 03:39 PM

179. "this post has me rolling"
In response to Reply # 141

>like steve harvey in that band
>talking about "when the funk hits the fan."

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Thu Sep-17-15 03:40 PM

180. "*crying*"
In response to Reply # 80

>Lionel is better doing that "Miller-Boyette" r&b. (c) dr.

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Dr Claw
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Fri Sep-18-15 03:09 PM

199. "LOL..."
In response to Reply # 80
Fri Sep-18-15 03:12 PM by Dr Claw

>Lionel is better doing that "Miller-Boyette" r&b. (c) dr.
>claw
>
>that is what comes from his soul the best.

I think in some regards, you are right. Particularly on his first two solo albums. Lionel found his home in the middle of the road. But tilt too far in the "pop" direction and he sounded like the only Black man in the room ("Dancing On The Ceiling", the song that got that Lorimar-Telepictures comment, LOL)

but I like what he did on Can't Slow Down. He took these types of music that Black people didn't usually get behind at the time, and totally made it "Black". He had lowkey been doing it for years, but there was a certain sort of comfort, and confidence behind it. it was lightning in a bottle. He never quite reached that height again. He never really needed to. That album was "Thriller" status for him.

Commodores as "barely funky" I can't cosign... MIDNIGHT MAGIC is an album that I will trumpet until the end of time. They're dressed for the disco on that (back) cover, but make no bones about it, that is mostly FUNKY R&B...

and for the next album, Heroes, they Cuban B'd the temptation to go all the way MOR because of how "Still" and "Sail On" blew up for them and went deep into R&B, particularly gospel-inspired

and for their last album with Lionel, they kind of went half way, but "Saturday Night"... goddamn.

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ConcreteCharlie
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:49 AM

64. "I always thought the 80s were corny as fuck"
In response to Reply # 0
Thu Sep-17-15 09:52 AM by ConcreteCharlie

They had a bit more than MJ and Prince, but not too too too much more. I find myself listening to very little music from the 80s. Most of the TV shows named in defense of the decade didn't appeal to me, but there were a couple (HSB, for one).

That said I think the 70s were kind of fluffy and the 90s are looking less favorable to me in hindsight, those they did set a TON of trends that we still see in some form today.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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Thu Sep-17-15 09:53 AM

67. "every era is corny..."
In response to Reply # 64

..mostly because its fulled with a bunch of posers, desperately trying to imitate/recreate the success of the true legends of said era.

*skatin' the rings of saturn*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

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Thu Sep-17-15 10:30 AM

84. "Giants are Giants and Waves are Waves"
In response to Reply # 67

in the 70's, you had the Giants:

Gamble & Huff, Thom Bell, P-funk, Chic (Nile & Bernard), Joni Mitchell, Barry White, EWF, Paul Simon, Elton John...etc. I don't have to get into the films.......

In the 90's you had the Waves of hip-hop being vital to the point where it was just LIFE

Rock was vital where it was just LIFE as well - not saying every rock band was doing Pearl Jam and Guns n roses numbers but there was definitely a feeling that a great record like "OK Computer" was a part of the natural 90's environment/progression rather than a lone "bright point".

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ConcreteCharlie
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Thu Sep-17-15 07:01 PM

188. "true but when you sift through the trash, there are gems in the 70s/90s"
In response to Reply # 67

more than the 80s IMHO. in principle, i agree with the OP

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Thu Sep-17-15 10:00 AM

72. "I'm thinking more gritty 70s"
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ConcreteCharlie
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Sat Sep-19-15 12:54 AM

208. "You could argue that either way"
In response to Reply # 72

I think on the counterculture or cutting edge, the 70s were way grittier. On the top level though, there was a level of escapism and fun in 70s music that faded a little in the 80s (heading into the depressing ass 90s, dominated by suicidal alternative acts and gangsta rappers). You had a rawness and an anger in some things in the 70s, on one end non-rap rap acts (GSH, Last Poets) and punk on the other, but that's like arguing about electronic music in the 70s/80s. It wasn't that big of a thing. Disco and arena rock and cheesy shit like that was WAY bigger.

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murph71
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:51 AM

66. "RE: With the exception of MJ and Prince, the 80s were a pop culture low ..."
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:52 AM by murph71

As usual u take an interesting premise and go off the rails....lol

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:58 AM

69. "The emotional component is the key part to any POAST"
In response to Reply # 66

Niggas get so outraged they can't discuss the issue objectively, then *muah* magnifique.

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Neez
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:15 AM

75. "True."
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:09 AM

74. "Back To The Future"
In response to Reply # 0

one of the greatest trilogies of all time happened

And Eddie prominence happened then with 48hours, Trading Places, and Beverly Hills Cops before Coming to America. Plus his 2 stand ups, Delirious and Raw were classics.

Also how you going to dismiss the vehicle, MTV, that gave birth to the pop megastars of that era?

You're selling the 80s too short.

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:19 AM

77. "Don't love back to the future, but you and the Albionist make good point..."
In response to Reply # 74

Errybody else mad

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Bucks50Grand
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:20 AM

78. "The 80's Rocked!"
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Shoutout to Spuds Mckenzie!

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MiracleRic
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:28 AM

82. "im gonna semi-agree here"
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:30 AM by MiracleRic

i feel like the 80s was so full of cheese and aged cheese is great hence all the excessive nostalgia

but i also think it was the beginning of a whole lot...it was to me the explosion of synth-based music and electronic music in general...it's cheesiness was part of the appeal...

movies...i'll give you that...again because it was largely a vehicle for the music/technology and often fell short in other areas that make great films great

but i think the 90s is far more full of cheese than we want to admit too...

90s R&B was basically cheese mixed with raunch

the thing about the 80s is that the greats are so great that we'll probably never see greats like that ever again though...

there will likely never be a Prince or an MJ and there really weren't anything like them before with a few exceptions

it was a lot of quality pop music too...yes, it was cheesy but there was an abundance of it that was good too

the 80s was basically the "oooooh, what this button do" era of entertainment...

i also think it's a mistake to discount sports from the equation as well...bc Jordan was bigger than that

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Thu Sep-17-15 10:35 AM

88. "Jordan peaked in the 90s too"
In response to Reply # 82

Rings, Barcelona, Space Jam, Be like Mike. Most people's favorite Jorns dropped in the 90s too.

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MiracleRic
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:39 AM

90. "true"
In response to Reply # 88

but that movement started in the 80s and basketball sports culture really boomed in the 80s which lead to those great moments in the 90s

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Mike Jackson
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:32 AM

86. "post punk/ new wave/ whatever you call jangly, 80s pop"
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:52 AM

95. "Talking Heads, The Smiths, The Cure, Pixies, Sonic Youth"
In response to Reply # 86

Metallica
Cocteau Twins
R.E.M.
Talk Talk

i'll take post-punk over grunge any day of the week

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:00 AM

98. "I could argue that Talking Heads lean 70s and REM and SY lean 90s"
In response to Reply # 95

but that would be arguing for the sake of arguing, You make good points.

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Fri Sep-18-15 07:55 AM

195. "Daydream Nation came out in 88, so.."
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John Forte
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Fri Sep-18-15 09:49 AM

197. "Which is why I didn't try that bullshit argument. "
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Mike Jackson
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:34 AM

87. "the motherfucking Nintendo Entertainment System."
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MiracleRic
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:40 AM

91. "^^^"
In response to Reply # 87

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

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Shaun Tha Don
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Sat Sep-19-15 03:31 PM

211. "Super Mario Bros. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

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murph71
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:38 AM

89. "I think your post would have went over well more..."
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:41 AM by murph71

if u stayed in the rock lane....There was some good alternative rock, Bruce was still cool and Gun N Roses was the TRUTH, but that hair metal era was BULLSHIT...It damn near dragged down every lane of rock...

But in terms of hip-hop, the 80s can't be fucked with....This was the true rebel music of that decade....I know u like to do that back to the future thing and poke holes in albums and artists deemed as classic because they sound "outdated" TODAY (whatever that means...lol)

But I remember picking up Run DMC's first album as a kid. That shit was GROUND SHAKING...."The Message," PE (your hate for them is puzzling...), early NWA, BDP, MOTHER FUCKING RAKIM...De La's first joint....that first Slick Rick album, the DOC, those early Salt N Pepa albums....Come the fuck on....That era hip hop wise was monumental...

And yeah....Prince and MJ were tops along with Madonna (on the pop tip....Prince though was on some OTHER SHIT....)....Even George Michael came through a crushed the buildings with Faith...

But R&B in the '80s, when everybody wasn't trying to ape Prince, was dope...Hell, Cameo and those Solar records in the early 80s was the SHIT....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:41 AM

92. "With the exception of NWA and PE allof the hip hop you named "
In response to Reply # 89

Sounds good today. I still put the 90s over the 80s, and I think most agree.

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MiracleRic
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:43 AM

93. "hmmm"
In response to Reply # 89

i can see both sides as far as 80s rap

half the heads were still rocking 70s flows in the late 80s...

but yea...

rap was solid...i agree it peaked in the early 90s

pop in the 80s was mixed bag

glam rock was actually hilarious to me

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murph71
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:05 AM

100. "RE: hmmm"
In response to Reply # 93

>i can see both sides as far as 80s rap
>
>half the heads were still rocking 70s flows in the late
>80s...
>
>but yea...
>
>rap was solid...i agree it peaked in the early 90s

I think production and sonically wise u r right.....Hip-hop just took it to another level in the '90s sound wise...Preemo, those Prince Paul De La produced albums, OutKast.....THE WU...Shit was incredible...

But the fact that those '80s hip hop artists were working without a net needs to be noted...Run and them were putting hip-hop on the map during a time when hip-hop was viewed as a mere gimmick....By the late '80s hip hop lyrically went to an entirely different level...Once Rakim came in everybody switched up....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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legsdiamond
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:14 AM

108. "80's synth pop was the shit too"
In response to Reply # 89

Head over Heals
I Need You Tonight
99 Red Balloons

The Police
Culture Club
Cindy Lauper

All that cheesy shit and all those one hit wonders were great songs

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

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TRENDone
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:54 AM

96. "Star Wars 5 & 6, MTV, Transformers, Wild Style, TR-808"
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:58 AM by TRENDone

MJ & Prince started out in the 70s but exploded in the 80s...just like hip-hop music.

Star Wars = pop culture

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:08 AM

102. "I was waiting on Star Wars. Episodes 4 and 5 are great, 6, not so much"
In response to Reply # 96

I'm not sure I can give a trilogy that had 1 good installment in the 70s and one good installment in the 80s the 80s. I will, however give the 80s credit for Indiana Jones.

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Thu Sep-17-15 11:13 AM

107. "plus they're set in the distant past so they're not 80s movies."
In response to Reply # 102

and Lucas was born in the 1940s so those are really 40s products.

fuck you.

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Thu Sep-17-15 12:50 PM

150. "What's your take on MTV? the 808 drum machine?"
In response to Reply # 102

MTV is still relevant to little kids

producers still use the 808 drum machine in pop music

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cgonz00cc
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Fri Sep-18-15 08:14 AM

196. "909 > 808"
In response to Reply # 150

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

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TRENDone
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Fri Sep-18-15 11:31 AM

198. "i respect your opinion. 808 is more popular tho."
In response to Reply # 196

i don't hear rappers referring to "909 kicks" in their lyrics. original post is talking about pop culture.

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cgonz00cc
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Fri Sep-18-15 04:06 PM

203. "rap in the 80s was no more or less pop culture than techno"
In response to Reply # 198

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

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SoWhat
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Thu Sep-17-15 10:57 AM

97. "motherfuckin House Music & goddamned Techno."
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:04 AM by SoWhat

fuck you.

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PoppaGeorge
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:26 AM

119. "*daps*"
In response to Reply # 97

http://i.imgur.com/CV7EID0.gif

House and Techno laid the foundation for a lot of the shit you listen to on the radio now from pop to hip hop and R&B.

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Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

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denny
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:31 AM

122. "Counter-culture not pop culture."
In response to Reply # 97

There was exactly one radio station in Toronto playing that shit in the 80's. And you had to tune in at 12am on Saturday night. And the station was fringe/alternative.

That shit had to be sought out to hear. It's probably more popular now than it was when it was released. Same thing with rocknroll. One could argue the Bad Brains, Minor Threat and Black Flag were 80's....but we all know that wasn't 'pop culture'. It was counter-culture and you had to be in the know to even have access to it.

In the 70's....there was high-quality shit that you didn't need to know the secret handshake to have access to.

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:33 AM

124. "THIS"
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:46 AM

128. "too bad."
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:58 AM by SoWhat

the shit was pop culture in Chicago.

it was pumped on the #1 radio show in the city. Chicago was the 2nd largest radio market in the nation. thus, POP culture.

and the shit spread from here and Detroit all over the world (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Summer_of_Love). in the 1980s. POP. can't get more POP than a 'summer of love' in Europe.

of course you know 'Jack Your Body' was the 1st House single to hit the top spot in the UK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Your_Body). that's POP, not counter.

'Big Fun' was a top ten hit single in the UK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Fun_%28song%29

and so was 'Good Life'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Life_%28Inner_City_song%29

fuck you.

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cgonz00cc
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:47 AM

129. "yeah but...Toronto"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

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SoWhat
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:48 AM

130. "hello."
In response to Reply # 129

let's wait for that "Well, in NYC..." card JF loves to play.

ooops. he won't play it here b/c it cuts against his ridiculousness.

oh well.

fuck you.

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denny
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Thu Sep-17-15 12:00 PM

132. "I checked...."
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Thu Sep-17-15 12:03 PM by denny

Not ONE of those songs even CHARTED on billboard record sales. Some of them didn't even chart high on billboard dance charts. lol

It was counter-culture. Those songs are more recognizable to the mainstream now than they were in the 80's.

Most record stores didn't even carry them. You used to have to order them through the mail. Not pop culture.

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Thu Sep-17-15 12:01 PM

133. "oh sweetie...."
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Thu Sep-17-15 12:12 PM by SoWhat

>Not ONE of those songs even CHARTED on billboard record
>sales. They didn't even chart high on billboard dance
>charts.

player...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Fun_%28song%29#Peak_positions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Life_%28Inner_City_song%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Your_Body#Charts_and_sales

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Kiss_%28Lil_Louis_song%29#Charts

just...no.

i'd stop trying. but you won't.

and, BTW, i could've added a couple other House tracks that topped the BB dance chart in the 80s. like 'Ain't Nobody Better' by Inner City. 'Break For Love' by Raze. and 'That's the Way Love Is' by Ten City.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_number-one_dance_singles_of_1989_%28U.S.%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_number-one_dance_singles_of_1988_%28U.S.%29

and OH YEAH...i had forgot, since we're talking about POP and all of that...Madonna released her first House-flavored single in 1989 - 'Express Yourself'. the original album version was a bit slower in tempo and more R&B, but the single version was remixed by Shep Pettibone, a legendary DJ from the Disco-era who was responsible for several key House remixes of 80s Pop/R&B tunes. of course, 'Express Yourself' topped the BB Dance chart in 1989 and hit the #2 spot on the Hot 100. now, ain't that POP? of course it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Express_Yourself_%28Madonna_song%29

and my boy Prince had a #1 Hot 100 and Dance single w/'Batdance' - another House-flavored POP single.

we can throw Technotronic's 'Pump Up the Jam' in there too. another #1 Dance single that hit the #2 spot on the Hot 100. very Techno-flavored. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump_Up_the_Jam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EcjWd-O4jI

fuck you.

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denny
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Thu Sep-17-15 12:08 PM

134. "number 37 on the 'hot dance billboard charts'?"
In response to Reply # 133
Thu Sep-17-15 12:09 PM by denny

lol. That chart is counter-culture to begin with. I'm talking the POP charts. The fact is.....95% of the general population in 1986 had no fucking clue what these songs were. Pop culture was Madonna, Prince and MJ. Not Inner City.

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legsdiamond
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Thu Sep-17-15 12:11 PM

135. "yeah... that isnt true. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

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Thu Sep-17-15 12:14 PM

136. "*sigh*"
In response to Reply # 134
Thu Sep-17-15 12:15 PM by SoWhat

#1 UK Singles chart for 'Jack Your Body', homie.

and speaking of Madge, as i just posted...she had a #2 Hot 100 success w/a House-flavored remixed single, 'Express Yourself' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsVcUzP_O_8). Prince had a #1 w/'Batdance' - another House-flavored hit.

fuck you.

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denny
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Thu Sep-17-15 12:23 PM

137. "Well yah."
In response to Reply # 136
Thu Sep-17-15 12:23 PM by denny

That's what Madonna did. Took production styles from the underground and presented them to pop culture. Those classic tracks you posted were underground in the states. (admittedly not in the uk) Perhaps it's semantical.....I don't include underground/counter-culture acts in 'pop culture'. The 80's is largely defined, to me, as an era where the majority of quality, relevant music existed outside of the mainstream (aka pop culture).

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SoWhat
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Thu Sep-17-15 12:25 PM

138. "Mm-hmm, pumpkin."
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Sure.

fuck you.

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 12:27 PM

139. "ALL OKP arguments are a combination of semantics, blind hate/loyalty"
In response to Reply # 137

Boredom, trolling, long-standing resentment and niggergumbo.

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SoWhat
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Thu Sep-17-15 12:33 PM

142. "And fools talking out of their ass and being exposed w/actual factuals."
In response to Reply # 139
Thu Sep-17-15 12:34 PM by SoWhat

Bc that's what happened here.

fuck you.

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 12:37 PM

144. "you're both right though"
In response to Reply # 142

House and Techo were more counterculture than culture in the 80s, but those songs WERE much bigger than he realized.

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SoWhat
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Thu Sep-17-15 12:46 PM

147. "nah."
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Thu Sep-17-15 12:49 PM by SoWhat

Not when major acts like Madge, Prince and Janet were releasing House or House-flavored singles that sold well. And they were dropping singles with House remixes on them too. I agree that House and Techno came from the underground but by the late 80s they had hit the mainstream. Maybe not for your little nyc bubble, but millions of folks around the world were into it and they weren't all engaged in secret handshakes.

fuck you.

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 12:49 PM

149. "It's like saying GoGo was pop culture because "
In response to Reply # 147

(Doin) Da Butt was huge. It's not exactly true.

p.s, why do we do this?

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murph71
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Thu Sep-17-15 12:55 PM

153. "RE: It's like saying GoGo was pop culture because "
In response to Reply # 149

>(Doin) Da Butt was huge. It's not exactly true.
>
>p.s, why do we do this?

Bullshit....

You can count on one hand Go Go's mainstream love...

By the late '80s EVERYBODY had to have a House Remix on their release schedule.....This is not even remotely what SoWhat is talking about here....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 01:00 PM

156. "This is an interesting sub-post: go-go or go-go influenced crossover son..."
In response to Reply # 153

I can thing of a few off the top of my head, and Hurby Love Bug seems to be the unifying factor. Rich Harrison later.

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murph71
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Thu Sep-17-15 01:16 PM

159. "RE: This is an interesting sub-post: go-go or go-go influenced crossover..."
In response to Reply # 156

>I can thing of a few off the top of my head, and Hurby Love
>Bug seems to be the unifying factor. Rich Harrison later.

I think u r reaching with the comparison...And I'm being nice here...lol

Go-Go was being utilized here and there by people who knew what was up...From Run DMC to Kurtis Blow ti Melle Mel and Kid N Play and later Salt N Pepa....But it was still a very much local phenomenon with the breakout national hit here and there (Chuck B., EU, and Rare Essence)....

But house music became an international movement and by the late 80s that shit started to explode....When you saw Madonna doing the running man to "Express Yourself" on the MTV Awards, the Jungle Brothers enjoying a crossover hit with "Girl I'll House You," and Inner City getting major play on MTV and BET, in addition to recording labels making it known that House Remixes had to be a part of the release schedule, that's some other shit...

I mean, how the hell you think Downtown Julie Brown became such a big deal on MTV? It wasn't just because of a silly catch phrase....The '80s saw the official birth of pop and house music morphing into the new dance music where everyone from Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Prince, hip-hop, to the Pet Shop Boys and beyond started to tap into house music beyond its underground beginnings....

That was way beyond Go-Go's crossover impact....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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157. "except it's not."
In response to Reply # 149

b/c i can point to more than one House/Techno song that charted well.

and i have already.

i dunno why you're doing this. *shrugs*

fuck you.

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Thu Sep-17-15 12:47 PM

148. "There were a couple house/techno acts that crossed over."
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Thu Sep-17-15 12:49 PM by denny

"Pump up the Volume" charted. Technotronic had two songs that charted. Pet shop boys charted. A few established pop acts used producers to borrow sounds from the dance underground. But all that other shit you posted was underground. It did not chart. It did not crossover. Did not become part of the public conscious. They stayed niche. I knew about it...but I knew the secret handshake. The average person was completely unaware.

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151. "*pats head*"
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Mm-hmm.

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Thu Sep-17-15 12:50 PM

152. "RE: number 37 on the 'hot dance billboard charts'?"
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Nah dog...House was mainstream in the '80s.....Not on the level of the '90s...But mainstream to the point where rap acts started using house mixes for their songs...Hell, the Jungle Brothers made a house-rap record with Girl I'll House You....

And yeah, top 40 Billboard hits in ANY genre in the '80s matter , especially if u r going no. 1 in the UK....Not everything has to be top 20 to be mainstream....Early '80s Chi House was indeed breaking out its local confines....But by the late 80s, Inner City and the like were getting their videos featured on Video Soul and MTV dance POP blocks....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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158. "yup."
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i remember seeing 'Big Fun' and 'Good Life' on BET and MTV.

and MTV had that Club MTV show dedicated to Dance music.

no secret handshakes needed.

fuck you.

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Thu Sep-17-15 01:24 PM

161. "RE: yup."
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>i remember seeing 'Big Fun' and 'Good Life' on BET and MTV.
>
>and MTV had that Club MTV show dedicated to Dance music.
>
>no secret handshakes needed.

I mentioned this up top....There's a reason Downtown Julie Brown became a big deal in '80s (going into the '90s).....Club MTV wasn't created just because...lol

Those MTV suits KNEW house/dance music was exploding....From 87-90 on forward house music had totally gone mainstream....

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164. "you see it."
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fuck you.

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Thu Sep-17-15 01:19 PM

160. "#143 for this with videos and shit."
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>
>Nah dog...House was mainstream in the '80s.....Not on the
>level of the '90s...But mainstream to the point where rap acts
>started using house mixes for their songs...Hell, the Jungle
>Brothers made a house-rap record with Girl I'll House You....
>
>And yeah, top 40 Billboard hits in ANY genre in the '80s
>matter , especially if u r going no. 1 in the UK....Not
>everything has to be top 20 to be mainstream....Early '80s Chi
>House was indeed breaking out its local confines....But by the
>late 80s, Inner City and the like were getting their videos
>featured on Video Soul and MTV dance POP blocks....

Fun Fact: Inner City's stuff is Techno.

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Thu Sep-17-15 12:33 PM

143. "fam, the videos were playing on BET and MTV all day long"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX6VZ48xQwk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfbUU1lsZFw

House and Techno was HUGE in the 80's. Warehouse in Chicago, The Music Institute in Detroit, Paradise Garage in NYC and Zanzibar in NJ were iconic clubs know all over the globe for this music.

Rappers were throwing House tracks on their albums or had House remixes to their hits. "Hip House" was a thing and had it's own stars (Jungle Brother's "Girl I'll House You" is still considered a classic).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7_1Xb5Uc8U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCBYPwT912M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBLZqJfjQ6U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v7UiDd7wBA

House and Techno was everywhere.

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Thu Sep-17-15 11:06 AM

101. "sorry fam, the Simpsons were first seen in '87"
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As sketches on the Tracey Ullman Show. There was around 40-50 of those sketches that had been shown before the first episode of The Simpsons debuted in late '89.

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denny
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:10 AM

103. "Doesn't matter."
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The Simpsons will always be a 90's phenomenon. It didn't become what it was/is until the 90's.

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Thu Sep-17-15 11:11 AM

104. "and it sucked. Peaked in the 90s"
In response to Reply # 101

If we're cysing debuts, then MJ (solo) and Prince belong to the 70s too. Actually, MJ's best album is from the 70s, so I'm putting him on team 70's too. Thanks

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Thu Sep-17-15 11:12 AM

106. "well he was born in the 1950s so he should be on the 50s team."
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:12 AM by SoWhat

Prince too.

let's follow your ridiculousness to it's most logical conclusion.

fuck you.

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Thu Sep-17-15 11:18 AM

110. "My argument is based on when the best art was released "
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he's the one using some Budweiser-ass born-on dates to cyse the Simpsons into the 80s b

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Thu Sep-17-15 11:21 AM

113. "right so since OTW was released in 1979 it doesn't matter that"
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Thriller was released in 1982 b/c a better record had been released 3 yrs prior which means it's like the 1982 record never happened and so music was worser in the 80s than in the 70s b/c a better record came out that was better than the other one.

am i doing it right? i wanna be sure. it's hard being this stupid.

fuck you.

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Thu Sep-17-15 11:23 AM

115. "Don't sell yourself short"
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:24 AM

116. "that's true - i'm so awesome i can play stupid pretty well."
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i agree.

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Thu Sep-17-15 11:11 AM

105. "There is NO argument in terms of music."
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The 70's was better in almost every regard.

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Thu Sep-17-15 11:15 AM

109. "Or cinema"
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:19 AM

111. "naw."
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the 70s are like the 80s in that the cream rose to the top. plenty crap music was produced in each decade. and no the best of the 70s isn't necessarily better than the best of the 80s. of course all of this is d

oh god. who gives a fuck?

lol

fuck you.

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Thu Sep-17-15 11:20 AM

112. "RE: With the exception of MJ and Prince, the 80s were a pop culture low ..."
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:21 AM by double 0

Back To The Future 1,2
Goonies
Gremlins
Die hard
Rambo
Terminator
Transformers (toys, cartoon)
Gi Joe (toys, cartoon)
E "muthafuckin" T
Bueller
Ferrari's
Bmw 635csi's
Purple Rain
Captain EO
Lazer Tag
Rap
Garbage Pail Kids
Thriller
The Moonwalk
Samantha Fuckin Fox
Jennifer Beals
Kelly LeBrock
Vanity
MTV
Video Music Box
Sp1200
Linn Drum
The Coreys
Rad
De La Soul
Michael Fuckin Jordan
Nike
............. and on and fuckin on

Hell nah pop culture 80s were awesome..

The 80s are not the 80s w/o the 50s though... (see MJ socks)

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Thu Sep-17-15 11:21 AM

114. "The 80's were punk/hardcore's reign..."
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:26 AM by Big Kuntry

Minor Step
The Brains
Rites of Spring
X

& lets not even talk bout reggae!

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Thu Sep-17-15 05:14 PM

187. "underground music was peaking in the 80's"
In response to Reply # 114

In pretty much a genres. Back then being a sellout was worse than being a hater

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Thu Sep-17-15 11:24 AM

117. "the best p-funk album came out in the 80s."
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computer games, in case you didn't know.

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Thu Sep-17-15 04:52 PM

186. "fuck outta here "
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Fri Sep-18-15 03:17 PM

201. "I wouldn't be mad at that choice"
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Fri Sep-18-15 03:17 PM by Dr Claw

>computer games, in case you didn't know.

I just wouldn't choose it over any of Parliament's 1974-1979 output or Funkadelic's 1970-1981 records

it does belong in that conversation though. That's what '80s P-Funk was supposed to sound like. Truth be told, those "George Clinton" branded albums in the '80s were pretty dope. But Computer Games was a monster. You had "Atomic Dog", "Loopzilla", "Man's Best Friend"... sheeeit.

a lot of the other good ones get overlooked: Bootsy's early '80s records like ULTRA WAVE and THE ONE GIVETH, and the P-Funk All-Stars' URBAN FUNK GUERILLAS...

all of those albums made up for the (80%) WACKNESS of TROMBIPULATION (yay for Sir Nose coming back, but outside of "Let's Play House" and "Agony of Defeet"... that album is some BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLL SHIT <---- say it like "Soul Train")

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Thu Sep-17-15 11:25 AM

118. "something seriously wrong with y'all"
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Thu Sep-17-15 12:29 PM

140. "^^^facto."
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:29 AM

120. "actually I think the 80s were when pop culture"
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was invented.

This is the birth of crossover. There is 70s Funkadelic, and then there is 80s George Clinton "Atomic Dog". There were plenty of niche things pre 80s that then blew up into mainstream crossover success. For your 90s era golden age hip hop I give you 80s Run DMC, which DEFINITELY were a pop culture phenomenon. The 80s were were white Wall Street guys were wearing Beat It jackets, and Jorns were invented in the 80s. The 80s kicked the whole concept of "Pop Culture" off, with a Pepsi commercial to boot.

There are definitely cheesy aspects to the 80s, but that is what happens whenever you take something from the source and dilute it for mainstream consumption. The mexican restaurant down the street will be more authentic that Taco Bell's Dorito taco, but taco bell is the pop culture equivalent of what your talking about. You are somewhat being nostalgic if you really consider it, but that is an interesting take on that generational period. The 80s made us who we are today, for better or worse.

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Thu Sep-17-15 11:31 AM

121. "I appreciate this thoughtful reply. You have raised a point I never cons..."
In response to Reply # 120

these other niggas mad.

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Thu Sep-17-15 12:40 PM

146. "RE: actually I think the 80s were when pop culture"
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^^^^^^^^^

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Thu Sep-17-15 11:35 AM

126. "The 80's was like the age of expression and bold ambition. "
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Thu Sep-17-15 11:40 AM

127. "i was gonna point out how wrong you are...but it's already in FULL effec..."
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....nice try though...

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Thu Sep-17-15 11:59 AM

131. "The 80s has long been my least favorite decade for music/movies"
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Yeah there are some gems in there, but overall, I'm not a big fan.

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Thu Sep-17-15 12:39 PM

145. "I'd agree, re: cinema. Most critics would too, I'd think."
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But I wouldn't agree for music at all.

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Thu Sep-17-15 02:14 PM

166. "don't fall for this!"
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we are talking pop culture
80s made pop culture as a thing
and critics are notoriously bad at pop culture
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Thu Sep-17-15 03:05 PM

171. "Oh, that's true. Considering that, I'd still give the nod to the 1970s....."
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Thu Sep-17-15 03:05 PM by Frank Longo

... but the most popular films of the 1980s were definitely better than the most popular films of the 1990s.

Top eleven grossing films of the 1970s in order:
Star Wars (1977)
Jaws (1975)
The Exorcist (1973)
Grease (1978)
The Sting (1973)
Saturday Night Fever (1977)
(National Lampoon's) Animal House (1978)
The Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975)
The Godfather (1972)
Superman (1978)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind

Top eleven grossing films of the 1980s in order:
E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial (1982)
Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983)
Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
Batman (1989)
Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
Ghostbusters (1984)
Beverly Hills Cop (1984)
Back to the Future (1985)
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984)
Tootsie (1982)

Top eleven grossing films of the 1990s in order:
Titanic (1997)
Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999)
Jurassic Park (1993)
Forrest Gump (1994) (tie)
The Lion King (1994) (tie)
Independence Day (1996)
The Sixth Sense (1999)
Home Alone (1990)
Men in Black (1997)
Toy Story 2 (1999)
Twister (1996)

I don't think there's any question that those would rank 70s >> 80s >> 90s. In terms of popular cinema.

Good distinction.

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Thu Sep-17-15 03:11 PM

173. "I'm not sure box office is the best measure of pop culture impact"
In response to Reply # 171

Pulp Fiction is far more important in terms of 90s pop culture than Twister or even the Star Wars prequels. Same goes for The Breakfast Club vs Tootsie.

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Thu Sep-17-15 03:14 PM

175. "Um, I wouldn't be so sure about this part:"
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>Top eleven grossing films of the 1970s in order:
> Star Wars (1977)
> Jaws (1975)
>The Exorcist (1973)
>Grease (1978)
>The Sting (1973)
>Saturday Night Fever (1977)
>(National Lampoon's) Animal House (1978)
>The Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975)
> The Godfather (1972)
>Superman (1978)
>Close Encounters of the Third Kind
>
>Top eleven grossing films of the 1980s in order:
>E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial (1982)
>Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983)
>Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
>Batman (1989)
>Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
>Ghostbusters (1984)
>Beverly Hills Cop (1984)
>Back to the Future (1985)
>Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)
>Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984)
>Tootsie (1982)

>I don't think there's any question that those would rank 70s
>>> 80s In terms of popular cinema.

I'd take every single one of those movies on the '80s list over "Grease," "Rocky Horror Picture Show," "Superman," and probably "Saturday Night Fever."

Stuff like "Godfather" drives the '70s average up, but there's a lot of GREAT movies on that '80s list.

Both those decades easily beat the '90s list tho. No argument about that.

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Thu Sep-17-15 03:40 PM

181. "yep and doesn't include cult films into pop culture as a thing like"
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terminator films
blade runner
nightmare on elm street/jason et al
Tron
Nerd series
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Thu Sep-17-15 03:48 PM

182. "This is where I think the 90s shine"
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WHen I think 90's pop culture, I don't think of most of those top-grossing films. I think:

Pulp Fiction
Usual Suspects
Friday
Half Baked
Seven
Shawshank
Fight Club
Point Break
Boyz In the Hood
Menace II Society

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Thu Sep-17-15 04:00 PM

183. "That's true of the '70s too tho"
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When people talk about what films made that decade great, it tends to be the not as quite as big stuff. Of the top grossing films, I'd six max would be included on a list of "greatest films", and two of them, Jaws and Star Wars, and credited for killing the "golden age" of creatively controlled cinema.

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Thu Sep-17-15 04:26 PM

184. "Agree, and I put the 70s and 90s above the 80s. "
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Thu Sep-17-15 04:45 PM

185. "IMHO, the majority of the top grossing movies of the '80s were great fil..."
In response to Reply # 184

Plus, you throw in stuff like Raging Bull, Do the Right Thing, Blade Runner, Platoon, Aliens, Breakfast Club, Airplane, 48 Hours, Caddyshack, Full Metal Jacket, Princess Bride, Wall Street, Gremlins, Blues Brothers, This is Spinal Tap, My Neighbor Tortorro, Robocop, Fast Times at Ridgemont, Big Trouble in Little China, and a bunch of other, and you've got an extremely decade of film.

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Sat Sep-19-15 12:42 AM

205. "tipping point in terms of individual fame does not equal quality though"
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Sat Sep-19-15 12:42 AM by ConcreteCharlie

the whole notion of fame and stardom built up over a long time (hence why we have the term "the century of the self") and you can really see it in the 60s pushing forward in a strong, linear way through the 70s and into the 80s. I think the 80s were just in the right groove to be before things were fragmented so much by the internet and but after media expanded and the notion of being famous was becoming so fucking tantalizing.

i think in terms of movies, yeah, they were weak compared with previous decades (60s, 70s for sure, the 50s too but it's a tougher comparison).

i think one thing we had was a high number of transcendental athletes in the 80s (though some overlapped into the previous or successive decade). jordan, dr j, magic, bird, jabbar, gretzky, bourque, lemieux, lewis, jjk, greg louganis and so on, these were athletes that brought non-fans to their sports and helped grow the industry in a major way.

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Fri Sep-18-15 03:19 PM

202. "I honestly can't stand to watch a lot of it from a filmography perspecti..."
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especially if there are a lot of special effects

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154. "Ferris Bueller's Day Off"
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Thu Sep-17-15 02:07 PM

165. "Comic books in the '80s:"
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Thu Sep-17-15 02:10 PM by mrhood75

Alan Moore:
Watchmen aka The best comic book series ever.
Swamp Thing
Various one-shots for DC, including Batman's "Killing Joke" and Superman's "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?"

Frank Miller's peak, before he went insane:
Daredevil
Dark Night Returns
Batman: Year One
Ronin

X-Men:
Dark Phoenix Saga
Days of Future's Past

Other DC stuff:
John Bryne's Man of Steel mini-series.
Teen Titan's "Judas Contract"

Other Marvel:
Rise of the Punisher
Spider-Man's "Death of Jean DeWolff" and "Kraven's Last Hunt"
Walt Simonson's Thor run
John Bryne's Fantastic Four run

Indie stuff:
The original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. The gritty version, not the goofs who are obsessed with pizza.
American Flagg

Kid's stuff:
GI Joe comics
Transformers comics
Star Wars comics

And a bunch of other stuff that I'm leaving out.

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PoppaGeorge
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Thu Sep-17-15 02:16 PM

167. "you left out some of the more important shit"
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Thu Sep-17-15 02:19 PM by PoppaGeorge

Like how did you leave out:

Secret Wars I and II
Crisis on Infinite Earths (which rebooted the entire DC universe)
The Mutant Massacre
Contest of Champions
Inferno
Evolutionary War
Meltdown (Havok and Wolverine)

how you leavin' this stuff out???

(edit) forgot to add Scourge and the Bar With No Name massacre.
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mrhood75
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Thu Sep-17-15 02:27 PM

168. "1. Because I did it off the top:"
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>Secret Wars I and II

Thought about including the one. It was decent enough, but kind of became a mess by the end. Two was definitely a mess.

>Crisis on Infinite Earths (which rebooted the entire DC
>universe)

I included the best-written stories writen before ("Whatever Happened...?") and the best post-Crisis series (Batman Year One and Man of Steel). The maxi-series itself, aside from a handful of GREAT moments, was again, kind of a mess and incredibly convoluted.

>The Mutant Massacre

Honestly forgot this one. I should have included it. Dark Phoenix and Days of Future's Past were both better and more "important": they pretty much shaped the current X-verse even today.

>Contest of Champions

Eh.

>Inferno

Whoo, talk about out a mess. That shit is still incomprehensible.

>Evolutionary War

Forgot it. Should have included it.

>Meltdown (Havok and Wolverine)
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Forgot it. Truthfully haven't read it in years.

>(edit) forgot to add Scourge and the Bar With No Name
>massacre.

I legit regret leaving this one out too. Captain America in the late '80s was one of my favorites.

I also should have included Iron Man, especially around the time of the "Armor Wars." And also "Squandron Supreme".

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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 03:00 PM

169. "Hadn't considered comics. You're right. "
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c71
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Thu Sep-17-15 03:02 PM

170. "I don't have to list the comics of the 70's, if you don't know how"
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good they were.....the 80's fell off completely in comparison.

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mrhood75
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Thu Sep-17-15 03:06 PM

172. "But no one could call the '80s the "low point" of comics."
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That would be the '90s.

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Thu Sep-17-15 03:15 PM

176. "80s comics birthed this era's cinema. "
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Thu Sep-17-15 03:23 PM

177. "Most DC comic book movies, sure. It's why they're all so "dark""
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I'd say the current Marvel stuff is just as much, if not more influenced by the '00s stuff though.

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Thu Sep-17-15 07:01 PM

189. "This is true, some pretty killer shit"
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Thu Sep-17-15 03:11 PM

174. "You're welcome to your opinion - you're just wrong"
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Thu Sep-17-15 03:26 PM

178. "No Retreat, No Surrender came out in the 80's your whole argument"
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:09 PM

190. "Van Halen 1984, The Police Synchronicity, and ZZTop Eliminator"
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are some of the best rock/pop albums ever made, all around 1984, plus Prince and MJ = pretty damn amazing IMO

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J_Stew
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:11 PM

191. "also, how could I forget Springsteen Born in the USA"
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John Forte
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Thu Sep-17-15 08:42 PM

192. "The Police also released their best work in the 70s"
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murph71
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Thu Sep-17-15 09:16 PM

193. "RE: The Police also released their best work in the 70s"
In response to Reply # 192

Not true....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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John Forte
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Fri Sep-18-15 07:43 AM

194. "Nope. Those first two albums are killer. Name your 5 favorite police son..."
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4 are on those two albums.

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ConcreteCharlie
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Sat Sep-19-15 12:48 AM

207. "Phil Collins/Genesis, I mean it wasn't totally devoid of anything good"
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Sat Sep-19-15 12:50 AM by ConcreteCharlie

You also had some cool ass shit from Neil Young, though you could argue he did better work in previous decades, too.

The Police are kind of a tweener, I liked their 70s stuff better but we are really creating a big break for a band that was essentially recording between 78 and 83? That's like someone who played in the NBA from 1949-1950 that he played in two different decades. It's technically true but there is little if any meaningful distinction between the ass end of the 70s and the front part of the 80s.

But we are talking about comparative quality. You had a lot of bands that were good but before (EWF, Kool & The Gang, Queen, et al). All the shit we are talking about here in terms of rock acts, IMO Faces shits all on of them and they are not even the foremost act of the 70s. Don't even get started on the 60s in terms of that genre.

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jswerve386
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Fri Sep-18-15 03:14 PM

200. "How old are you?"
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serious question. cuz this is borderline sacrilege.

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mistermaxxx08
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Sat Sep-19-15 12:27 AM

204. "turkeys are tripping Rick James, Lionel RIchie,Luther vandross"
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Gap Band,Teddy Riley all of New Jack swing,Cameo,Bar Kays, Midnight Starr, Babyface, all had moments and shinned.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

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ConcreteCharlie
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Sat Sep-19-15 12:44 AM

206. "i think younger people place rick james more in the 70s, which is wrong"
In response to Reply # 204

dude was murdering it in the early 80s

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mistermaxxx08
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Sat Sep-19-15 01:40 AM

209. "Rick had a strong pressence in both eras"
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that is how the OG's use to roll.

Lionel Richie falls in that category as does Ray Parker Jr.George Clinton.

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ConcreteCharlie
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Sun Sep-20-15 12:10 AM

217. "yeah george clinton for sure though if you had to choose, 70s for him"
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Sat Sep-19-15 09:05 PM

216. "RE: With the exception of MJ and Prince, the 80s were a pop culture low ..."
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Just because of that last line, everything you said before it, was negated.

Fuck. That.

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Sun Sep-20-15 01:51 PM

218. "The 80s were awesome. "
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Awesome to the max.

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