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Silk Road operator Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison

Ross Ulbricht, the man behind illegal online drug emporium Silk Road, was sentenced to life in prison on Friday by Judge Katherine Forrest of Manhattan’s US district court for the southern district of New York.

Before the sentencing the parents of the victims of drug overdoses addressed the court. Ulbricht broke down in tears. “I never wanted that to happen,” he said. “I wish I could go back and convince myself to take a different path.”

The 31-year-old physics graduate and former boy scout was handed five sentences one of 20 years, one of 15 years, one of five and two of life. All are to be served concurrently with no chance of parole.

The judge handed out the most severe sentence available to the man US authorities identified as “Dread Pirate Roberts,” pseudonymous founder of an Amazon-like online market for illegal goods.

“The stated purpose was to be beyond the law. In the world you created over time, democracy didn’t exist. You were captain of the ship, the dread Pirate Roberts. You made your own laws,” Forrest told Ulbricht as she read the sentence.

Ulbrict had begged the judge to “leave a light at the end of the tunnel” ahead of his sentence. “I know you must take away my middle years, but please leave me my old age,” he wrote to Forrest this week. Prosecutors wrote Forrest a 16-page letter requesting the opposite: “ lengthy sentence, one substantially above the mandatory minimum is appropriate in this case.”

“I’ve changed. I’m not the man I was when I created Silk Road. I’m a little wiser. A little more mature and much more humble,” Ulbricht pled in court.

Forrest rejected arguments that Silk Road had reduced harm among drug users by taking illegal activities off the street. “No drug dealer from the Bronx has ever made this argument to the court. It’s a privileged argument and it’s an argument made by one of the privileged,” she said.

Silk Road was once the largest “dark web” marketplace for illegal drugs and other services. In March 2013 the secret site listed 10,000 items for sale, 7,000 of which were drugs including cannabis, MDMA and heroin. Prosecutors said Silk Road had generated nearly $213.9m (£140m) in sales and $13.2m in commissions before police shut it down.

Ulbricht was convicted in February after a four-week trial on all seven counts, from selling narcotics and money laundering to maintaining an “ongoing criminal enterprise”, a charge usually reserved for mob kingpins. Prosecutors said that he had gone so far as to solicit six murders for hire, although chat logs cast doubt on whether Ulbricht had been the primary actor in the solicitations and none of the murders were carried out.

Throughout the trial, the defense suggested that Ulbricht was the victim of a complex hacking attack that left him looking like the fall guy. Given the evidence presented against Ulbricht, the pitch proved a hard sell to the jury.

Ulbricht was arrested in the science fiction section of his public library, “literally caught with his fingers at the keyboard, running Silk Road”, said the prosecution in its opening statement. He was logged in to the Silk Road master account, according to the agents who arrested him, and investigators found chat logs and other evidence on the hard drive that implicated him.

After his conviction, the defense argued that the Silk Road was in fact a boon to the health of its clients, especially those who habitually used drugs. “In contrast to the government’s portrayal of the Silk Road website as a more dangerous version of a traditional drug marketplace, in fact the Silk Road website was in many respects the most responsible such marketplace in history, and consciously and deliberately included recognized harm reduction measures, including access to physician counseling.”

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ILLEGAL ONLINE DRUG EMPORIUM.
May 29th 2015
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It's hypocritical and US drug policy is not based on facts
May 29th 2015
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Jeff Skilling pulled off fraud in the billions cost 20,000 people their
May 29th 2015
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      now we know the US government will always go lighter on
May 29th 2015
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i mean he achieved what every criminal cartel on earth
May 29th 2015
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depends.. what did Oliver North get again?
May 29th 2015
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well thats where this guy messed up
May 29th 2015
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      I'll take running nefarious enterprises above table for $500 alex.
May 29th 2015
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Damn.
May 29th 2015
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I don't know if I agree with it
May 29th 2015
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i feel bad for anyone that gets life in prison
May 29th 2015
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Way too much.
May 29th 2015
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I urge all of y'all to watch Deep Web by Alex Winter when it comes out
May 29th 2015
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RE: I urge all of y'all to watch Deep Web by Alex Winter when it comes o...
May 29th 2015
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      he did a lot more than that
May 29th 2015
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      they always do this tho. It's the same as the governments going after
May 29th 2015
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it's obvs overkill --- BUT
May 29th 2015
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lol he just never figured out who he had to pay off.
May 29th 2015
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the dude was a moron. he did stuff right out of the 1-800-GET-INDICTED
May 29th 2015
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      true.. prison prolly beats having your head put in a garbage bag.
May 29th 2015
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           man, if one of those russian or chinese syndicates puts the grips on you
May 29th 2015
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i mean who else were they going to murk over this?
May 30th 2015
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      even worse
May 30th 2015
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Wayyy too much.
May 29th 2015
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Damn, that's harsh as shit. I'd be crying hard.
May 29th 2015
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Not overkill
May 29th 2015
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Compared to Clarence Aaron, nope, definitely not overkill...
May 30th 2015
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Did you guys read the stuff about the hits?
May 30th 2015
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Its impossible to run a drug ring and not have bodies on you
May 30th 2015
27
wait so they have peoples full name and info
May 30th 2015
31
If I had to give a one-word answer, no, it's not too harsh
May 30th 2015
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That's the thing though. I want them to scale down, not up
May 30th 2015
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sounds like we are pretty much in the same place on it
May 30th 2015
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RE: If I had to give a one-word answer, no, it's not too harsh
May 30th 2015
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      having read the transcript, they seem either real or intended
May 30th 2015
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how deep is the deep web?
May 30th 2015
33

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1. "ILLEGAL ONLINE DRUG EMPORIUM."
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How is "life in prison" overkill?

  

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7. "It's hypocritical and US drug policy is not based on facts "
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But instead based on racist feelings i.e. Anslinger the first drug czar.

However, if he was smart enough to set this up he should have been smart enough to have a way out.

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11. "Jeff Skilling pulled off fraud in the billions cost 20,000 people their"
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jobs and only got 24 years which he won't serve all of it.


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b.Touch
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22. "now we know the US government will always go lighter on"
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"white collar crime" than "OMG DRUGS".

That's a bigger issue, though a valid one.

My question is, is life in prison particularly unfair for someone who ran a drug operation, or provided the platform for said operation to flourish.

  

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2. "i mean he achieved what every criminal cartel on earth"
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probably wishes for

so its hard to say its an overkill when its essentially unprecedented

  

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3. "depends.. what did Oliver North get again?"
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5. "well thats where this guy messed up"
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he ran an international drug organization without the backing of a sovreign nation.

  

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12. "I'll take running nefarious enterprises above table for $500 alex."
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4. "Damn. "
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6. "I don't know if I agree with it"
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If it factored in the supposed hired killer stuff then sure.

But the article reads like a Reagan era propaganda with the parents crying about kids who overdosed as if he personally drugged them.

Long prison terms for dealing drugs has helped destroy the country.

  

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8. "i feel bad for anyone that gets life in prison"
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that's a pretty fucked up situation, i bet they won't even let him near any computers

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9. "Way too much."
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Silk Road should be the Amazon.com of the 21st century.

Legalize it.

fuck you.

  

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10. "I urge all of y'all to watch Deep Web by Alex Winter when it comes out"
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he made a documentary of this. I think it's gonna hit Netflix next month.

From what I've been reading, all he did was create the platform, he didn't create the online store. It's like punishing the US Government when a soldier goes rogue.

  

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13. "RE: I urge all of y'all to watch Deep Web by Alex Winter when it comes o..."
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>he made a documentary of this. I think it's gonna hit Netflix
>next month.
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>From what I've been reading, all he did was create the
>platform, he didn't create the online store. It's like
>punishing the US Government when a soldier goes rogue.

Exactly, I'm no expert on this but that was my understanding as well. He basically created an environment where people could carry out anonymous untraceable online transactions. Now obviously we know that would attract criminal activity but it seems like unless they can directly trace him to criminal activity it's overkill. They should be hiring him to work for the government.

But my thinking may be out of line, with this whole hastert indictment, I've been wondering why it's a crime to secretly withdraw your own money.

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21. "he did a lot more than that"
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ordering hits on people, laundering money for some really bad folk, etc.

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23. "they always do this tho. It's the same as the governments going after"
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The Pirate Bay for facilitating pirating versus suing each and every last infringer (though the RIAA did try suing them for a few years, and I think they still go after the biggest fish).

People who run those pirating sites have ended up serving years in prison for letting people download free movies and music.

  

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14. "it's obvs overkill --- BUT"
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what he did, literally anyone could do. he had very little in the way of special skill and no real connections.

the reason why most people don't do what he did is because any idiot could see this ending coming. they find you, they lock you up and throw away the key to make an example.


it ain't worth it b.

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15. "lol he just never figured out who he had to pay off."
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16. "the dude was a moron. he did stuff right out of the 1-800-GET-INDICTED"
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hotline.

the only weird thing is how long he made it work.

good opsec is hard, very few people are really about that life, and if you fuck up it's your LIFE on the line. if you're lucky it's just the government coming after you, not some cartel/organized crime cats. he'd already been ripped off by hackers

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17. "true.. prison prolly beats having your head put in a garbage bag."
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19. "man, if one of those russian or chinese syndicates puts the grips on you"
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it's over, and they've got more hackers, more time and more money than anyone.

you can't win, and you can't go to the police, because you're running an illegal drug emporium LOL

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29. "i mean who else were they going to murk over this?"
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also he did make a ton of money in commission and he knew exactly what was going on. read his conversation with the alleged assassin, even if the guy on the other end was a fed or a fish, this guy knew what was moving on his site and he knew the value of his secrets.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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36. "even worse"
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he sets all this shit up....and keeps living in America?

Bruh, after the first million it's time to have several places in several non-extradition countries.

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18. "Wayyy too much."
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Free DPR

  

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20. "Damn, that's harsh as shit. I'd be crying hard."
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24. "Not overkill"
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He set-up a major drug dealing and arms selling market.

If he did this IRL it'd be bigger than Hamsterdam.

He facilitated in selling illegal drugs. Laundering money. And he tried to hire people to murder folks who thought had crossed him.

Do any of this in San Diego and you'd get major jail time.

Do all of it and it'd be a life sentence too.

  

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25. "Compared to Clarence Aaron, nope, definitely not overkill..."
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http://www.alternet.org/story/155794/24-year-old_gets_3_life_terms_in_prison_for_witnessing_a_drug_deal%3A_the_ugly_truth_of_mandatory_drug_sentencing


Fortunately he was pardoned by Pres. Obama.. Though he spent 20 years in jail over some bullshit..

Don't forget Fate Vincent Winslow, 41 year old black man that got life in prison for selling $20 dollars worth of weed..


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/27/fate-vincent-winslow-got-life-in-prison-for-20-worth-of-weed.html

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/louisiana-man-got-life-prison-selling-20-pot

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26. "Did you guys read the stuff about the hits?"
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i thought it was overkill til I read the transcripts.
Fascinating stuff


If all those people really died...did they catch the hells angel dude or was that guy just a fed?

http://www.wired.com/2015/02/read-transcript-silk-roads-boss-ordering-5-assassinations/

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27. "Its impossible to run a drug ring and not have bodies on you"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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31. "wait so they have peoples full name and info"
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but they cant verify if they were actually killed?


weird

  

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28. "If I had to give a one-word answer, no, it's not too harsh"
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It's funny to me that the same people in here saying it's too harsh would likely point out egregious disparity between the $200 armed robber's sentence and that of the $200 million embezzler's.

This guy was basically a mix of eBay and Escobar and he was real flagrant with a fuck-you to the state. They gave it back to him. It's a shame that someone capable of doing something this elaborate is having their talent wasted, I *do* think his service added a level of safety to the drug trade (to say it's a "privileged" argument ignores context and circumstance) and of course personally I think the drug trade should be legalized and regulated. But, come on, this dude was making huge money and pushing all sorts of drugs by commission, facilitating the drug trade in a way that few if any have and to an extent that few have, too. It doesn't surprise me that they dropped the hammer on him, nor does it seem unfair.

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30. "That's the thing though. I want them to scale down, not up"
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>It's funny to me that the same people in here saying it's too
>harsh would likely point out egregious disparity between the
>$200 armed robber's sentence and that of the $200 million
>embezzler's.

In the grand scheme of things where you can have corner boys serving decades for non-violent drug offenses, yeah its fair considering the scale.

But ultimately we are punishing these dudes for supplying vices that society demands anyway under the guise of being tough on crime. Along with wasting hella cash and resources to put em away.

  

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35. "sounds like we are pretty much in the same place on it"
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32. "RE: If I had to give a one-word answer, no, it's not too harsh"
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We can't have any conversation on how harsh his sentence is if we're not talking about the hits if they are real.

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34. "having read the transcript, they seem either real or intended"
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at a minimum.

dude might have started out harmless enough, but he went a lil walter white.

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33. "how deep is the deep web?"
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is it just where all of the nefarious stuff happens
like the dark corners of the web
it was the end of last year when i first read the term in an article

its hard for me to imagine all the info out there in the deep web'

ad far as the sentencing...if he just created a platform
i think the punishment is a tad bit excesive
but if he was profiting off the sales...yeah hes gotta pay in some way

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