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"Poll question: Should women go to jail for falsely accusing a man of being child's fat..."
Fri May-29-15 08:52 AM by rdhull

  

          

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lol, no
May 29th 2015
1
no, but it's insane to make a man continue paying child support
May 29th 2015
2
Let alone Sun should get reimbursed.
May 29th 2015
4
This still makes absolutely no sense to me...
May 29th 2015
83
i'm saying no
May 29th 2015
3
no
May 29th 2015
5
I'd have no problems with a woman being charged with Fraud. n/m
May 29th 2015
6
nah, there should just be mandatory testing with child birth
May 29th 2015
7
^^^^
May 29th 2015
10
test who?
May 29th 2015
12
^^^^^. Yep some women REALLY get around
May 29th 2015
14
Whoever she's trying to put on the birth certificate and get benes from.
May 29th 2015
15
test every nigga she trying to put on the certificate
May 29th 2015
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      yep. and let that shit be a 3 month process
May 29th 2015
18
      umm u must not know the game
May 29th 2015
19
           right so if a dude doesn't want to be liable then take the test.
May 29th 2015
26
                broads gon start swabbin niggas before fkn
May 29th 2015
28
                     lol at the thought. them home kits and legally binding tho
May 29th 2015
29
doesnt Maury already do this?
May 29th 2015
17
do you have any idea how much this would cost?
May 29th 2015
23
yeah i do but that'll be the cost of having a child and/or getting a
May 29th 2015
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how much would it cost?
May 29th 2015
31
blood tests aren't pricy but dna testing can run from 200-500 dependng o...
May 29th 2015
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      may be so, but my feeling is that in the grand scheme
May 29th 2015
82
      exactly. I guess the price issue comes up when you've got individuals
May 29th 2015
90
      who the baby belongs to makes no difference
May 29th 2015
133
      that's 1 month of child support.
May 29th 2015
98
           lol i didn't even look at it like that.
May 29th 2015
102
a lot less than child birth, tests cost 280 and THAT is with
May 29th 2015
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^it should just be a standard part of the process
May 29th 2015
30
no. i think we use jail too much. its like telling a toddler to stand...
May 29th 2015
8
this n-word said
May 29th 2015
11
lol
May 29th 2015
13
I like the toe idea.. great way of warning the next nigga
May 29th 2015
27
      *looks down & sees she can't wear flip flops without both big toes*
May 29th 2015
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dont forget to vote yall
May 29th 2015
9
lol smh
May 29th 2015
20
And who's going to take care of the child while she's in jail?
May 29th 2015
21
the system that already would be if she doesnt list a father
May 29th 2015
24
Grandma
May 30th 2015
145
FIVE DOLLA FINE (c) Ike Turner
May 29th 2015
22
lol. Didn't James Brown fine his band members something like $200 for
May 29th 2015
34
      i'm pretty sure that fine is not referring to anything monetary...
May 29th 2015
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      idk...i was quoting a classic line from a movie
May 29th 2015
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No. Not jail but there should be some consequences. Esp since men are
May 29th 2015
32
Y'all are acting like Republicans talking about voter fraud
May 29th 2015
35
what about when the dude doesn't have doubts bc he's getting hoodwinked?
May 29th 2015
36
Then, he can learn to make better decisions.
May 29th 2015
38
you should meet more people
May 29th 2015
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      I've met plenty and the story remains the same.
May 29th 2015
43
           hindsight is 20/20. people get taken advantage of all the time bc they
May 29th 2015
48
                Yeah, that's all I'm saying.
May 29th 2015
51
                     nah, my boy found out because his mother kept insisting
May 29th 2015
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                          fathers who want to dispute paternity are limited by time.
May 29th 2015
60
                          lol no its not.
May 29th 2015
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                          i haven't.
May 29th 2015
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                          if a man finds out he was deceived it isn't bullshit..
May 29th 2015
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                          the child though.
May 29th 2015
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                               Be mad at momma and the real daddy
May 29th 2015
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                               how does the child benefit from being tied to a man that has been
May 29th 2015
77
                                    you're right - the child is better off w/o either parent
May 29th 2015
84
                                         a father that doesn't want to raise a kid that ain't his aint shit?
May 29th 2015
91
                                              a father who would abandon a child with whom he has bonded
May 29th 2015
100
                                                   what if he wants to stay in his life like a uncle/big brother? no abando...
May 29th 2015
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                                                        lol
May 29th 2015
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                                                             seriously though, chances are if the guy is attached...he's gonna stay
May 29th 2015
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                                                                  uh huh.
May 29th 2015
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                          nah, it's not gross to expect the biological father to take care
May 29th 2015
75
                               oh okay.
May 29th 2015
87
                          If it was clear enough for his mom to see, then he could've
May 29th 2015
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                               pretty sure in PA he is SOL due to signing the certificate
May 29th 2015
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                                    can you show us what makes you think so?
May 29th 2015
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                                         no I cannot.. that's why I said he prolly knows better than I do
May 29th 2015
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                                              word.
May 29th 2015
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                                              I think in my situation the state forced us to get paternity 'cause...
May 29th 2015
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he can't ask for a test in that situation?
May 29th 2015
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      sure, but making it mandatory would protect those that didn't think they...
May 29th 2015
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           This is the same rationale for voter id laws...
May 29th 2015
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           it's unnecessary.
May 29th 2015
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                so a guy and girl have been together for 10 years. She cheated on him
May 29th 2015
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                     the child though.
May 29th 2015
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                          is that the new 'ok'? bc that didn't make answer the question i asked l...
May 29th 2015
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                               sure.
May 29th 2015
88
                                    It's in the child's best interest to know who his/her father really is
May 29th 2015
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                                    Right on.
May 29th 2015
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                                    In regards to the 'child's best interest'.....
May 29th 2015
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                                         Yup
May 29th 2015
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it's probably happened to at least 10 cats on this board
May 29th 2015
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      i laughed until i saw the including me part.
May 29th 2015
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      i agree.
May 29th 2015
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           c'mon dawg...
May 29th 2015
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                yup.
May 29th 2015
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                     it's a simple problem to solve but won't be unless it's forced.
May 29th 2015
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                     That's right
May 29th 2015
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                     You're being absurd.
May 29th 2015
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                          Basically
May 29th 2015
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Should be considred "Fraud". People go to jail for that right?
May 29th 2015
37
"Fraud" is a good label for it
May 29th 2015
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What about taking personal responsibility ...
May 29th 2015
44
A Birth Certificate is an official legal document so falsifying it is al...
May 29th 2015
45
'falsifying'...lord.
May 29th 2015
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      its not quite that simple bc if he finds out when the kid is 5 he's alre...
May 29th 2015
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           and?
May 29th 2015
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                no snark, but dawg this is a situation you will never know shit about.
May 29th 2015
132
no, but they should have to repay him with interest.
May 29th 2015
54
they weren't paid by him in the first place.
May 29th 2015
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      the baby doesn't file for child support
May 29th 2015
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           okay.
May 29th 2015
73
                so he was paid damages?
May 29th 2015
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                     uh huh.
May 29th 2015
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nope, he needs to take responsibility in his part of the sex too
May 29th 2015
59
that is pretty fucking dumb
May 29th 2015
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and thats surprising said no one.
May 29th 2015
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I know nut-riding is one of your specialties ..
May 29th 2015
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Only people that dodge accountablity would disagree
May 29th 2015
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      risk aside realistically only two things can happen
May 29th 2015
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      lol its not an std genius.
May 29th 2015
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http://i.imgur.com/SXTOdZs.gif
May 29th 2015
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btw, paternity fraud is a criminal act in some states.
May 29th 2015
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OF COURSE they should go to jail or receive public shame.
May 29th 2015
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i'll never forget the story of the HUSBAND 4 kids. only 1 was his
May 29th 2015
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what a horrible man1!!
May 29th 2015
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annnd i found the LINK http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/11/us/in-geneti...
May 29th 2015
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in any event this is a GREAT reason to have a test EVEN if u are married
May 29th 2015
126
poor guy.
May 29th 2015
115
that's not the same thing though.
May 29th 2015
117
yes
May 29th 2015
124
wat
May 29th 2015
118
don't even try, man. him tryna be a smart ass he loud and wrong
May 29th 2015
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You're right
May 29th 2015
125
They cut off his visitation rights.... smh
May 29th 2015
139
People like you make the Bill O''Rielly's of the world seem reasonable
May 30th 2015
146
this is pretty much the standard in Louisiana
May 29th 2015
129
No, they shouldn't go to jail.
May 29th 2015
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this 100%
May 29th 2015
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      haha yeah but would you rather find out
May 29th 2015
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yes
May 29th 2015
127
yup
Jun 01st 2015
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Yes.
May 29th 2015
128
Yes....Hell Yes
May 29th 2015
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she should be punished. i just don't know what that punishment should be
May 29th 2015
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i don't see how her going to jail helps anybody
May 29th 2015
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Theres' a skeleton key here.
May 29th 2015
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http://gif-central.blogspot.co.il/2012/09/alonzo-zo-mourning-nod.html
May 29th 2015
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nah, should be safe and rare like abortions
May 29th 2015
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Can't a man request a paternity at birth before signing the birth certif...
May 30th 2015
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believe it or not, a lot of dudes are happy to be fathers...
May 30th 2015
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      I have no doubt of that...
May 31st 2015
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      What?! Men allow emotion to override better judgment?
May 31st 2015
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RE: Should women go to jail for falsely accusing a man of being child's...
May 30th 2015
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So if this is a jailable offense, what about Rape by Deception?
May 30th 2015
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after going down that rabbit hole, yes.
May 30th 2015
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http://i.imgur.com/pfFeexd.gif
May 30th 2015
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Impersonating someone yes...simply lying, no.
May 30th 2015
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Rape by Deception has to be criminal....
May 31st 2015
155
To Protect Child's Wealth: Paternity Tests Should be Required at Signing...
May 30th 2015
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1. "lol, no"
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2. "no, but it's insane to make a man continue paying child support"
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after it's proven that he's not actually the father. This shit can and does happen.

  

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4. "Let alone Sun should get reimbursed."
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83. "This still makes absolutely no sense to me..."
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is it really gonna take some revolutionary Supreme Court case to stop this bullshit?

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3. "i'm saying no"
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but if you can prove it's malicious fraud...i'd make that exception

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5. "no"
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And let's not confuse "not going to jail" with "not being punished"

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6. "I'd have no problems with a woman being charged with Fraud. n/m"
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7. "nah, there should just be mandatory testing with child birth"
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10. "^^^^"
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12. "test who?"
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some niggas aint around for that...can you imagine some preggo rat tryin to chase like 3 niggas down talkin bout...yo I NEED THAT SWAB BACK NOW..MY WATER JUST BROKE!!

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14. "^^^^^. Yep some women REALLY get around"
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15. "Whoever she's trying to put on the birth certificate and get benes from."
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She ain't gotta chase three or four dudes around. But if you list a person as a father on the certificate, that one dude should be tested.
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16. "test every nigga she trying to put on the certificate"
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i'm assuming it would only be one at a time lol

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18. "yep. and let that shit be a 3 month process"
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you try one nigga, and you're wrong....go stand in the back of the line. get to the front again, and it ain't Jerome....back to the line you go. that'll at least make them think about the claims they're trying to make. cause now its too easy.
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19. "umm u must not know the game"
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i agree w/ what yoou sayin BUT....the bene process begins long before birth..she can submit a for sayin she dont know who daddy is and where he live..to start getting money pre child birth...then, whenever they really find out who daddy really is..he owe ALL that money back that she got paid...she doesnt have to list a dads name on the bc....so niggas be in the wind from the git go..how u gon MAKE a random nigga take a dna test jus bcz SHE says x....

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26. "right so if a dude doesn't want to be liable then take the test."
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> whenever they really find out who daddy really is..he owe ALL that money back that she got paid

if he's the father he should pay whats due.
if he's not, he's not responsible.

If they cant find him, he wasnt gonna be paying no dough anyway.

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28. "broads gon start swabbin niggas before fkn"
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*bingo*....


the home "before you fk" dna test....

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29. "lol at the thought. them home kits and legally binding tho"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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17. "doesnt Maury already do this?"
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23. "do you have any idea how much this would cost?"
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and now you know why its not mandatory.

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25. "yeah i do but that'll be the cost of having a child and/or getting a "
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name on a certificate. I'd be open to making it mandatory only for out of wedlock marriages.

I'm sure $400 a pop would make a woman think twice about accusing 8 dudes of being the daddy as well.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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31. "how much would it cost?"
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40. "blood tests aren't pricy but dna testing can run from 200-500 dependng o..."
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82. "may be so, but my feeling is that in the grand scheme"
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of pregnancy which is very expensive, it probably wouldn't be a prohibitive cost. particularly not when it becomes a standardized practice.

that's just my suspicion though.
it's not as if it is the expense of major surgery, which is kind of what was implied above.

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90. "exactly. I guess the price issue comes up when you've got individuals"
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who can't afford to be pregnant in the 1st place.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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133. "who the baby belongs to makes no difference"
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the inverse of what you are arguing here is to abort. whether or not baby john belongs to Ferdinand or Ruderberg is of no consequence to the cost of that pregnancy or the life of that child, however, given the amount of "mystery" pregnancies, funding every dna test would easily go into the tens of millions if not more.

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98. "that's 1 month of child support."
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i would pay that shit instead of the first month of garnishment.
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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

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102. "lol i didn't even look at it like that."
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33. "a lot less than child birth, tests cost 280 and THAT is with"
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some sort of profit margin. so they really costs less than that. hospital charge 150 bucks for two aspirin. that test is nothing.

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30. "^it should just be a standard part of the process"
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8. "no. i think we use jail too much. its like telling a toddler to stand..."
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in the corner. its a default punishment. so i don't think they should go to jail, but SOMETHING needs to happen. 10 lashes. lose a toe. something.
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not compassionate....only polite.

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11. "this n-word said"
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10 lashes. lose a toe!!

I'm done...lol

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13. "lol"
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>10 lashes. lose a toe!!
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>I'm done...lol

  

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27. "I like the toe idea.. great way of warning the next nigga"
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52. "*looks down & sees she can't wear flip flops without both big toes*"
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*declines to talk to her*


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9. "dont forget to vote yall"
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20. "lol smh"
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21. "And who's going to take care of the child while she's in jail?"
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Aka, this post is stupid.

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24. "the system that already would be if she doesnt list a father"
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i too think it's stupid if not for that reason

but i'm the side if she's just picking the name out of the hat...meh

but if she's maliciously picking unlikely baby fathers...that's fraud

i think jail is doing too much but it should fall under the fraud umbrella honestly

if she makes any number of poor choices "who is going to take care of the baby?" is never not a question that won't have to be answered

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145. "Grandma"
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If we lyin about who the daddy is, we probably aren't taking care of the child anyway. Lol

  

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22. "FIVE DOLLA FINE (c) Ike Turner"
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Coolin...

  

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34. "lol. Didn't James Brown fine his band members something like $200 for"
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being late to rehearsals. $5 is getting off easy.

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53. "i'm pretty sure that fine is not referring to anything monetary..."
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80. "idk...i was quoting a classic line from a movie "
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not a literal five dollar sanction

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32. "No. Not jail but there should be some consequences. Esp since men are"
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often held accountable for children who they raised while in a relationship with the mother but who isn't theirs biologically. That whole 'your the only father that child has known' thing that comes up in divorces and child support hearings.

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35. "Y'all are acting like Republicans talking about voter fraud "
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Does it happen, yes, but not nearly enough to warrant this type of action. Plus, if a dude has doubts, he can request/pay for the test. There are already ways to relinquish yourself from liability if you don't think you the pappy.

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36. "what about when the dude doesn't have doubts bc he's getting hoodwinked?"
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38. "Then, he can learn to make better decisions."
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I've never once met a person who was "hoodwinked" in any capacity that didn't know on some level they were being taken. They chose to ignore the signs and payed accordingly.

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41. "you should meet more people"
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43. "I've met plenty and the story remains the same."
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Every time I've talked to a person about being deceived and they say they didn't see it coming, the fact has been they did and they ignored it. From cheating to financial issues to whatever, there is always a tell that obvious as hell, but people willing blind themselves because of love, pussy, money, or whatever fantasy they choose to buy into. The sign is always there, mofos just choose to ignore it.

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48. "hindsight is 20/20. people get taken advantage of all the time bc they "
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ignored 'signs' of things that weren't right but they didn't pay attention to them bc they trusted or whatever.

I thought you were saying something different.

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51. "Yeah, that's all I'm saying. "
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I've known some sucker-for-love ass cats that have been cheated on (never the baby situation) and on some level they always knew and chose to ignore. So, I can't imagine someone faking paternity and there not being any sign of it. If you're connected to a person and not the idea or fantasy of one, you can feel when something is off.

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56. "nah, my boy found out because his mother kept insisting"
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and finally she got tested.

My other friend is still paying because his name is on the birth certificate. He tried to get her to take a test but she backed out.

She is in PA and I think by law he is SOL.

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60. "fathers who want to dispute paternity are limited by time."
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they have to raise the issue w/in a certain time after the birth.

but still...it's bullshit that a man would seek to abandon caring for a child just b/c he finds he is not the child's biological father. that's probably a main reason the law isn't jumping to aid these men in their quest to abandon caring for children in these situations. b/c it's fucking gross.

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63. "lol no its not."
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i think you've lost sight of what is gross in this equation.

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67. "i haven't."
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fuck you.

  

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65. "if a man finds out he was deceived it isn't bullshit.."
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the bullshit lies with the woman who lied about him being the father.

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68. "the child though."
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fuck you.

  

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76. "Be mad at momma and the real daddy"
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why are you getting upset with the one guy who has no biological connection to the child?

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77. "how does the child benefit from being tied to a man that has been"
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forced into a relationship with him by his mothers deceit besides monetarily?

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84. "you're right - the child is better off w/o either parent"
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b/c neither of them is worth a damn. a father who would seek to abandon a child in this situation ain't shit. the mother who engaged in the trickery ain't shit. the kid is better off at the mercy of foster parents as a ward of the state. he might as well get used to being in state custody b/c that's the kid's future anyway.

word up.

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91. "a father that doesn't want to raise a kid that ain't his aint shit?"
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wow.

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100. "a father who would abandon a child with whom he has bonded"
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after finding he is not the child's biological father? yes.

of course, if the father had no relationship w/the child to begin with and was only making court-ordered support payments out of obligation and not out of genuine concern for his child...then of course he ain't shit.

so, yeah.

fuck you.

  

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103. "what if he wants to stay in his life like a uncle/big brother? no abando..."
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no checks every month. The child has a father figure. Is he still not shit?

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104. "lol"
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sure, that guy is the father of the year. or the uncle of the year.

fuck you.

  

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106. "seriously though, chances are if the guy is attached...he's gonna stay"
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attached to a degree. I understand the bonded part.

My issue is with him being forced to be responsible for the child.

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107. "uh huh."
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fuck you.

  

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75. "nah, it's not gross to expect the biological father to take care"
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of the child.

I can see if it's a case where all the kids live together and he is skipping over Jonh Snow at Christmas. That's fucked up.

But if a dude finds out a woman is pregnant and they have no other connection besides the child and he finds out it's not his. Why the fuck should he continue to pay for him?

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87. "oh okay."
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fuck you.

  

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61. "If it was clear enough for his mom to see, then he could've"
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He chose to ignore it.

>My other friend is still paying because his name is on the
>birth certificate. He tried to get her to take a test but she
>backed out.

He can take her to court and make it mandatory, if he's so inclined. Again, there is already a legal framework for him to address this. If he doesn't have the will to follow through with it, then he's made his choice.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

  

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66. "pretty sure in PA he is SOL due to signing the certificate"
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but since you know it all I'm sure you prolly know the laws in PA better than I do.

oh, and plenty of mothers have sworn it wasn't their son's child and been wrong.

but cook on my nigga

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71. "can you show us what makes you think so?"
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http://www.pacode.com/secure%2Fdata/231/chapter1910/s1910.15.html

http://www.divorcenet.com/resources/paternity-pennsylvania.html

fuck you.

  

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74. "no I cannot.. that's why I said he prolly knows better than I do"
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and in his situation he had a lawyer file papers and she was supposed to get a paternity test and she refused.

his lawyer said they couldn't force her to get a test and since it was 3 or 4 years after the fact he was SOL.

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85. "word."
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fuck you.

  

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93. "I think in my situation the state forced us to get paternity 'cause..."
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... my ex went to get formal child support and the county was like "now hol'up now... is he REALLY the father of this child?".

Wayne County forced DNA tests on all three of us because she tried to hit me with them papers. She didn't have a choice in the matter. If I was going to be forced to pay, they were going to make sure they had the right guy. This was way back in 2000, I'd like to think that other counties would have adopted something like this across the country by now.


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Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
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42. "he can't ask for a test in that situation?"
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fuck you.

  

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47. "sure, but making it mandatory would protect those that didn't think they..."
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needed to ask. And im sure that would be awkward for him to explain to the lady why he wants one.

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50. "This is the same rationale for voter id laws..."
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and for mandatory drug testing for welfare. The problem with that logic is that problem your trying to address isn't big enough to warrant that level of investment. You would spend all these resources for something that rarely occurs. The end does not justify the means.

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57. "it's unnecessary."
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it stems from a fairly cynical and unfortunate understanding of parenting and custodial situations.

those tricky situations can already be handled via other methods.

fuck you.

  

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64. "so a guy and girl have been together for 10 years. She cheated on him"
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one time and doesnt tell dude. Now she's pregnant and of course he assumes he's the father..why wouldn't he? Name goes on the birth certificate.


So how does that tricky situation get solved? By hoping the nonfather/child never find out?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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69. "the child though."
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79. "is that the new 'ok'? bc that didn't make answer the question i asked l..."
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88. "sure."
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it's more like my attempt to steer the conversation back to what really matters in these cases - the child's best interest.

fuck you.

  

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114. "It's in the child's best interest to know who his/her father really is"
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I've seen it happen entirely too many times where a woman cheated on a dude, got knocked up and had a baby, had him raise a child as his own until one day they find out that "daddy" ain't daddy. If the child is old enough to understand this, it can fuck the kid up. I've seen it happen first hand enough times, a few of those were across my family.


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120. "Right on."
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fuck you.

  

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119. "In regards to the 'child's best interest'..... "
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The 'child's best interest' can't be a trump card for everything. A logical extreme of this......If there's a stranger living down the street from the mother that has more money and a nicer home....we could argue that the stranger should then be responsible for the child forthright because they would provide a better upbringing.

I suppose a counter to that point would be that a 'child's best interest' also involves being with a biological parent. That's how the courts get around this logical extreme. But there are studies that quantifiably show the quality of a child's future is directly associated to the parent's socio-economic background. In short....rich kids have better lives than those born in poverty. And more specifically, rich kids who are adopted have better futures than poor kids who are raised by their biological parents. So we've proved that socio-economic status is a greater factor in a child's best interest than having biological parents. Thus, a child's best interest is often to be taken away from BOTH biological parents....even in the absence of neglect/abuse/etc.

So couldn't the trump card of 'child's best interest' be taken to a logical extreme wherein we are basically taking children away from poor people (including those that want them) and FORCING rich people to raise them?

The movie 'Gone Baby Gone' addresses this. The point made by that movie....is that it should not only be a 'child's best interest' that is considered. There should always be a consideration of a 'community's best interest' that must be balanced out.

  

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122. "Yup"
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fuck you.

  

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86. "it's probably happened to at least 10 cats on this board"
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... including me.

I say if you put a dude's name on the birth certificate and have him paying child support and the child ain't his you've committed fraud and that should carry prison time.

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92. "i laughed until i saw the including me part."
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i had an engaged chick claim she was pregnant and it could have been either one of ours(possible i suppose) but she wasnt even prego.

That count?

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101. "i agree."
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the mother should go to prison.

the child should become a ward of the state.

once she's released her parental rights are terminated.

the child is now an orphan.

that's absolutely the best outcome for all involved.

fuck you.

  

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110. "c'mon dawg..."
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You're a lawyer, tell me: In any other criminal case, where a woman has children but has been convicted of a crime which carries a prison term as it's punishment, what happens to those children???

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They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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113. "yup."
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and we absolutely should be creating a new criminal charge that can result in the destruction of more families b/c that's what's best for everyone involved. there aren't too many families destroyed by incarceration of the parents already. it's totally fine.

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116. "it's a simple problem to solve but won't be unless it's forced."
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Kinda like seatbets in cars: no matter how much it saved lived, people didn't start wearing them en masse until not wearing them was criminalized.

You have two options here:

1. Criminalize it and have anyone defrauding the father and city/county/state of money do jail time.

or

2. Require a paternity test before an order of child support can be made.

#2 is how it's done in Wayne County. I'd prefer that to be the case everywhere as it would prevent #1 from ever being necessary.


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Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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123. "That's right"
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fuck you.

  

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135. "You're being absurd."
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Unless there's something I'm missing.

Should a bankrobber be able to use the defence "i have children...if you put me in jail they will go into foster care"?

In fact....let's just give immunity to parents for all criminal activity.

  

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138. "Basically"
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he knows he is being obsurd

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37. "Should be considred "Fraud". People go to jail for that right?"
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or have to pay a fine.

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39. ""Fraud" is a good label for it"
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44. "What about taking personal responsibility ..."
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and not go bareback on the known town bike?

If condoms were breaking like some of these dudes claim, you would think there'd be some sort of class action suit against Ramses, Trojan etc.

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45. "A Birth Certificate is an official legal document so falsifying it is al..."
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against the law right?

I could be wrong

I feel just like how adultery is illegal in some states, this should be too. The option being up to the man to decide if he wants to pursue further charges

  

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46. "'falsifying'...lord."
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it's not uncommon for a man who is not the child's biological father to be listed on the b/c for various reasons. often it happens w/the man's full knowledge and participation.

also, it's not uncommon for a mother to get it wrong - she reasonably thought one man was the bio father and later learns another man is the father.

proving that she knowingly put the wrong bio father info on the b/c in an attempt to defraud him is pretty difficult. plus it's against public policy. finally the charge is thoroughly unnecessary b/c this situation rarely occurs and when it does the cure is quite simple - a paternity test.

fuck you.

  

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49. "its not quite that simple bc if he finds out when the kid is 5 he's alre..."
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on the hook financially and emotionally.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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55. "and?"
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i don't understand the issue.

again - proving that the mother knowingly listed the non-biological father as the child's father on the b/c in an attempt to defraud him would be pretty difficult. i suspect the plaintiff in this potential action would have to prove that the mother had reason to know he was not the child's father and that there was no way a reasonable person in her situation would have suspected he was the child's father. also, he would have to prove that she knew he would not have wanted to be listed as the father if were not in fact the child's biological father. and then there's the issue of damages - what are his damages? money he spent on the child? but if he alleged has emotional connection to this child why would that be impacted by his knowledge of the child's biology? if that makes a difference then it makes him a pretty unlikeable plaintiff. if i were a juror or a fact-finding judge i'd be pretty turned off by that argument.

it's just unnecessarily messy. and what good is that doing the child? to have his mother sued civilly or potentially jailed in a criminal case b/c she listed the wrong man on the child's b/c. that doesn't help the kid.

this situation rarely occurs and when it does the solution is simple - DNA testing. assuming the parents are not in a relationship, if the listed father turns out not to be the biological father and he doesn't want to support the child financially then it's not so clear that he gets out of that support requirement just b/c he's not the biological father. and what kind of man is he if learning that he's not the bio-father means he will abandon supporting a kid he has raised as his own for 5 yrs? where there's an emotional connection? all of that would just dry up? if so, he ain't shit.

and yeah, if the mother lists the wrong man knowingly b/c she wants $ for her child then that sucks for him. i don't think she should be punished for it though - b/c i can't think of a punishment that wouldn't ultimately harm the child. making her return the $ he spent on the child hurts the child. jailing her hurts the child. so i'm not down w/it.

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132. "no snark, but dawg this is a situation you will never know shit about."
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... or ever experience in your lifetime unless you start fuckin with a pre-op FTM trans. This is why you don't understand the issue, it's completely outside your realm of comprehension.


>i don't understand the issue.
>
>again - proving that the mother knowingly listed the
>non-biological father as the child's father on the b/c in an
>attempt to defraud him would be pretty difficult. i suspect
>the plaintiff in this potential action would have to prove
>that the mother had reason to know he was not the child's
>father and that there was no way a reasonable person in her
>situation would have suspected he was the child's father.
>also, he would have to prove that she knew he would not have
>wanted to be listed as the father if were not in fact the
>child's biological father. and then there's the issue of
>damages - what are his damages? money he spent on the child?
>but if he alleged has emotional connection to this child why
>would that be impacted by his knowledge of the child's
>biology?

Because it happens that way. Some dudes deal with it differently. Some can continue being there for the child, some have a problem with it. Again, I've seen this first hand and have experienced it personally

>if that makes a difference then it makes him a
>pretty unlikeable plaintiff. if i were a juror or a
>fact-finding judge i'd be pretty turned off by that argument.

Which just means you can't be fair or impartial and would be a shitty judge.

>it's just unnecessarily messy. and what good is that doing
>the child? to have his mother sued civilly or potentially
>jailed in a criminal case b/c she listed the wrong man on the
>child's b/c. that doesn't help the kid.
>
>this situation rarely occurs and when it does the solution is
>simple - DNA testing. assuming the parents are not in a
>relationship, if the listed father turns out not to be the
>biological father and he doesn't want to support the child
>financially then it's not so clear that he gets out of that
>support requirement just b/c he's not the biological father.
>and what kind of man is he if learning that he's not the
>bio-father means he will abandon supporting a kid he has
>raised as his own for 5 yrs? where there's an emotional
>connection? all of that would just dry up? if so, he ain't
>shit.

Speak on that shit when it's you in them shoes.

... oh wait...

The emotions don't just dry up, it fucks with you for the rest of your life. I know 'cause that's what's happening with me, intensified right now 'cause I'm writing about it. I raised a child until she was 3, I was the dude in the delivery room with her moms and everything, only to find out that I wasn't her biological father and 3-4 other dudes had to be tested for paternity after me.

I still think about her all the time. When I lived in MI I did happen to see her a couple of times from far away and she still recognized me and it fucked with me. Sometimes the circumstances you're in prevents you from being a part of that child's life. I didn't have shit to do with her moms after that 'cause that was the final betrayal I was gonna take from her. She eventually moved in with some old white dude that was one of the other dudes tested (even though she did find out who the father was and the white cat wasn't it). I got married and left MI a couple of years later.

Nah nigga, you'll never, ever in your life, be in a position to be torn like that.

>
>and yeah, if the mother lists the wrong man knowingly b/c she
>wants $ for her child then that sucks for him. i don't think
>she should be punished for it though - b/c i can't think of a
>punishment that wouldn't ultimately harm the child. making
>her return the $ he spent on the child hurts the child.
>jailing her hurts the child. so i'm not down w/it.

So basically you're saying you have no idea how to deal with something like this.

As I said before, this shit will never affect you one way or another so it makes sense that can't figure out how to deal with it.

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Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
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54. "no, but they should have to repay him with interest. "
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and maybe where I sign that shames them or something.

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58. "they weren't paid by him in the first place."
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child support payments are awarded to and for the child, not the mother.

so the child would be one repaying the father where the child had no involvement in the alleged fraud.

the repayment requirement would harm the child unnecessarily.

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70. "the baby doesn't file for child support"
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the mother does and if she deceives.. she should repay.

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73. "okay."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternity_fraud#Tennessee.2C_Hodge_v._Craig

In October 2012 intentional misrepresentation of paternity was recognized by a unanimous Tennessee Supreme Court in Hodge v. Craig, a case where the mother intentionally lied to a man about who the father of the child was. Based on the mother's assurances the couple married but later divorced. The plaintiff dutifully paid child support including medical insurance for the child. Based on physical differences between himself and the child he obtained a tissue sample and confirmed his suspicions. Damages were awarded in compensation for child support paid for 15 years. The court's decision was based on the common law remedy of intentional misrepresentation; the court distinguished the award of damages from a retroactive modification of child support. The action was for damages; it was not a suit to disestablish paternity.

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78. "so he was paid damages? "
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i don't give a fuck what you call it.. just pay it back.

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89. "uh huh."
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fuck you.

  

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59. "nope, he needs to take responsibility in his part of the sex too"
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You know the potential consequences when you're doing it. One of them being piping a chick that might getting piped by other men. All parties are aware of this.

  

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97. "I know nut-riding is one of your specialties .."
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But it's Friday, and you should take a rest.

  

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96. "Only people that dodge accountablity would disagree "
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You know the risks you assume when you're having raw sex. Possibly not being the daddy is almost a staple in black American culture. How could you NOT know that this was one of the risks. If you having sex, take some precautions to ensure shit like this doesn't happen or stfu. He plays a part in own victimhood by putting himself this situation, it takes two to tango, dudes aren't being forced.

  

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99. "risk aside realistically only two things can happen"
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you either get her pregnant or you don't. that's what this all boils down to. and if you didn't get her pregnant why are you paying like you did?
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not compassionate....only polite.

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105. "lol its not an std genius."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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95. "http://i.imgur.com/SXTOdZs.gif"
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http://i.imgur.com/SXTOdZs.gif








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62. "btw, paternity fraud is a criminal act in some states."
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*eyes roll*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternity_fraud#Occurrence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternity_fraud#United_States

fuck you.

  

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94. "OF COURSE they should go to jail or receive public shame."
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We're talking about screwing over someone's life here. Put a dishonorable discharge on their record or something. This needs to be illegal in all states.

  

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108. "i'll never forget the story of the HUSBAND 4 kids. only 1 was his"
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he still gotta pay for ALL FOUR KIDS
the way he found out was one of the kids got sick from a condition that both parents have to carry a certain gene....he did't have the gene. he got all the kids tested ..only one was his.

so the dude his now ex wife been boinking through the marriage moved into the house with all four kids...and the courts say ex husband STILL gotta pay for ALL FOUR. appealed all the way up to the ussc, the sc declined to hear the case

no, this ain't an urban legend

since she had them while married, the husband was considered the father of the children



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109. "what a horrible man1!!"
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111. "annnd i found the LINK http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/11/us/in-geneti..."
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/11/us/in-genetic-testing-for-paternity-law-often-lags-behind-science.html


In Genetic Testing for Paternity, Law Often Lags Behind Science

By TAMAR LEWIN
BIG SPRING, Tex.— It should have been good news when Morgan Wise's doctor told him that genetic testing showed he was not a carrier of cystic fibrosis, the disease his youngest child, Rauli, has struggled with since birth.

But instead, the 1999 test results led to the complete unraveling of Mr. Wise's relationship with Rauli and his three other children.

''For a child to have cystic fibrosis, both parents have to be carriers,'' Mr. Wise said. ''When I got the results, my first thought was maybe we'd misdiagnosed Rauli. But the doctor came around from his desk and said, 'I'm just going to come straight out with it: Is there any reason to think this boy may not be yours?' He advised me to have DNA paternity testing. I was in such shock I couldn't even drive home.''

The paternity tests showed that Mr. Wise had not fathered Rauli -- or his two other sons, Marti and Rowdi. Of the four children born during his marriage to Wanda Fryar, which ended in 1996, only the eldest, daughter Carli, was biologically his.

But the court that had handled his divorce would not consider the genetic evidence -- and refused to allow him to stop paying child support for the boys. The court also cut off his visitation rights, even with his biological daughter.

For centuries, courts have presumed that all children born within marriage are fathered by the husband. Because courts could not prove paternity, the thinking went, excluding any evidence of infidelity was the best way to protect children from the stigma of illegitimacy, men from the shame of cuckoldry -- and society from marital disruption.

These days, though, genetic testing has made determining paternity simple, even routine. According to the American Association of Blood Banks, 280,000 paternity tests were conducted in 1999, three times as many as a decade earlier. And in 28 percent of the tests, the man tested was found not to be the father.

But in most states, the law has not caught up with the science. And in dozens of cases around the country, divorced men like Mr. Wise -- and single men who have previously acknowledged paternity -- are having their genetic evidence of non paternity rejected by the courts. They are also being ordered to continue supporting children they did not father.

Many lawyers say the old policy still makes sense, because once paternity has been assigned, either as part of a divorce order or in a separate paternity proceeding, courts should not revisit the question. Furthermore, they say, there is something unseemly about men trying to get out of supporting children who have loved and depended on them.

But lawyers representing the deceived men see it differently: the unseemly thing, they say, is forcing a man like Mr. Wise to assume financial responsibility for children he was duped into believing were his own, children another man should be supporting.

''Morgan Wise is the victim here, he's not the one who did wrong, but he's the one being punished,'' said Mr. Wise's lawyer, Robert Miller, who argued his case last month to the state appeals court in Eastland, Tex.

Phyllis Royal, the lawyer for Ms. Fryar, said neither she nor her client would discuss the case.

While Mr. Wise's case made headlines in Texas, there are similar cases scattered throughout the country each year, many of them resolved in the privacy of family court, or, if appealed, reported only under the parents' initials.

''Now that DNA testing has washed off the table the reasons we didn't use to allow paternity evidence, we have to decide whether there are other reasons to keep that evidence out, like child support and fairness,'' said Carol Sanger, a family law professor at Columbia Law School.

''We no longer run the risk of a gazillion people coming forward to say 'Howard Hughes is my father' because we can say, 'Stick out your finger and we'll see,' '' Ms. Sanger said. ''But there are real concerns about letting biology trump all. The state may want to make sure that if they take one dad off the hook, they will have another one paying. The underlying question is, what establishes a parental relationship?''

The issue is complicated, she said: Any policy that emphasizes biological ties could upset the nascent recognition of nontraditional families, such as same-sex partnerships. And children may suffer from the disruption of their ties to a father figure.

But other experts say any legal policy that will not acknowledge scientific truth is disturbing, especially at a time when criminal courts are allowing people to use DNA evidence to prove their innocence, no matter how long after a crime.

''It's a real question: if we let DNA do its work in the criminal justice system, why not in the family court system?'' Ms. Sanger said. ''The answer is that the concerns are different. We never want an innocent person in jail. But to put it in the most melodramatic way, in the paternity situation, children are the innocent party. While some people might see the refusal to accept DNA evidence of nonpaternity as rewarding the wife for deception, I think courts look at its use as punishing the children.''

Many of the cases follow similar patterns. Often a man gets genetic testing when his ex-wife limits his contact with the child or when he begins to wonder why the child does not resemble him. In other cases, testing is prompted by relatives' hints that he is not the father.

The question of how long a man has to disavow paternity -- or whether he can ever introduce genetic evidence of nonpaternity -- differs from state to state. Some states will hear such evidence only within two years of a child's birth; others allow as much as five years. Last fall, Ohio enacted a law exempting men from child support if genetic testing shows that they are not the father. Similar legislation has been introduced in New Jersey.

In Maryland, in a group of cases involving unmarried men who had previously acknowledged paternity, the state's highest court ruled last year that there was no time limit on their right to use genetic testing to prove nonpaternity.

Late last year, seeking to create a national standard, the National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws proposed an act -- introduced as legislation this year in several states, including Texas -- giving men two years from a child's birth to challenge paternity.

''In looking at this, we found that something like 5 percent of marital children, maybe up to 10 percent, are not the biological children of the husband,'' said Harry Tindall, the Houston lawyer who was chairman of the committee that drafted the model law. ''I think there has to be some window of opportunity for challenge, but we say you have two years from birth to either put up or shut up.''

But two years would not have helped Mr. Wise, a railroad engineer who said he had never doubted his paternity until he underwent cystic fibrosis testing two years ago, when his sons were 6, 8 and 10. By then, he and Ms. Fryar had divorced, and he had fought for, and won, custody of all four children.

He gave custody of the children to his former wife in January 1999, shortly before being tested, when the travel demands of his job became overwhelming. At the time, the court granted him the same visitation rights his former wife had previously had, and ordered him to pay $1,100 a month in child support.

Even after finding that the boys were not his biological children, Mr. Wise said he had hoped to maintain his relationship with them.

''I told them I was still their daddy, and I loved them as much as the day they were born -- the only thing that was different was I was not their birth father,'' he said. ''I would still like to go on doing things for them, directly, but I don't see why I should be writing checks to a woman who deceived me all those years.''

But Judge Robert H. Moore III of Howard County District Court refused to end Mr. Wise's child support obligation. He also cut off his visitation rights -- a combination that baffles many experts in family law.

Judge Moore would not discuss the case. He referred questions to Celia Trimble Boone, the lawyer representing Dwayne Alexander, the man Mr. Wise has come to believe is the children's biological father.

''The judge made it clear to all parties that they were not to talk to the children about this, and when Morgan did so, that's why he cut off visitation,'' Ms. Boone said. ''On child support, the judge just followed the law of Texas, which is that once paternity is established, that's it.''

Ms. Fryar has remarried. In the appeal, her brief argued that Mr. Wise should have known to raise the paternity issue in the divorce: before the boys were born, the court papers said, Mr. Wise had found a note Ms. Fryar had written, but not sent, to Mr. Alexander, offering to leave her husband. Furthermore, the documents indicate, Mr. Wise had suspicions of several other relationships she had had.

Mr. Wise said in the court papers that he had not known his wife was seriously involved with Mr. Alexander, and that he and his wife had talked about the note and, he thought, resolved their problems. ''If I'd known she was cheating on me, I would have left her,'' he said.

For now, Mr. Wise has no formal contact with the children of his previous marriage, even though they all live in the same small West Texas town, where everyone knows the whole story. ''About the only time I see the kids,'' he said, ''is if I can go watch Carli's volleyball game over at school, or if I run into one of the boys.''

Since Mr. Wise got his test results, Mr. Miller said, two of his other clients have discovered they were not the biological fathers of the children they were rearing. Neither of those men, though, acted on the knowledge, choosing instead to maintain an unchanged relationship with the children.

''I now advise every man who's getting a divorce to get paternity testing,'' Mr. Miller said. ''I don't like it much, but now it seems like it could be malpractice not to warn them.''

Photo: Morgan Wise is required to pay child support for three boys DNA testing has determined are not his. (Joe Don Buckner for The New York Times)

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126. "in any event this is a GREAT reason to have a test EVEN if u are married"
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115. "poor guy."
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those 3 kids that aren't his should totally be left out in the cold w/o support b/c of their mother's bad deed.

too bad they have support from a father who bonded w/them over a period of years and cared for them.

fuck you.

  

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117. "that's not the same thing though."
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for a man to be a father to his children, paternal or not, should not be determined nor mandated by the state. He could have a relationship (financial and otherwise) outside of the dictation of the courts.

If they tell me I need to pay X amount of dollars a month, then I definitely would contest THAT, not the kids.

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124. "yes"
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fuck you.

  

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118. "wat"
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the motherfucker who's the biological dad moved INTO the house. i mean i kind of feel sorry for the kids, and would hope the ex dad(?) would stay around, but in NO way should he be obligated to do so. put the other guy on child support.
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not compassionate....only polite.

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121. "don't even try, man. him tryna be a smart ass he loud and wrong"
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125. "You're right"
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fuck you.

  

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139. "They cut off his visitation rights.... smh"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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146. "People like you make the Bill O''Rielly's of the world seem reasonable"
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>those 3 kids that aren't his should totally be left out in
>the cold w/o support b/c of their mother's bad deed.
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>too bad they have support from a father who bonded w/them over
>a period of years and cared for them.

  

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129. "this is pretty much the standard in Louisiana"
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If your wife cheats on you and has kids with another man the state says you are the father...meaning you have to fight to not become the father

and plenty of men have lost that battle.

the system is flawed: from the way support is handle to custody.

in situations where both parents want custody, I would like to see the courts go to a proxy style system where all identifying traces are removed from each parent's file, provided to an independent intermediary and then handed to a judge to increase objectivity...forcing them to go solely on the merits of which parent provides the best situation for the kids

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112. "No, they shouldn't go to jail."
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I have been a fan of the paternity test at childbirth. I don't know why that would be a big issue to add that to the to do list on the days following a birth leading up to the signing of the birth certificate. If its about costs then that pricing is dwarfed by everything else the hospital overcharges for. It should be standard procedure for protection for both parties.

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134. "this 100%"
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though you'll get push-back trying to implement it 'cause mandatory DNA testing could potentially reveal infidelity on the woman's part.

It was posted earlier that:

"280,000 paternity tests were conducted in 1999, three times as many as a decade earlier. And in 28 percent of the tests, the man tested was found not to be the father."

Do you know how many marriages this shit will destroy?

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140. "haha yeah but would you rather find out"
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at the child's birth or years after. I'd rather dodge the bullet than fall on the sword.

additionally if there is a standard of paternity testing then it could help steer people away from the infidelity.....or not, but at least one side of the relationship would be out in the open.

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127. "yes"
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it should be illegal.
it should be punishable by law, if you dont wanna go to jail or pay hefty fines dont be a lying, conniving poor excuse for a human being.

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156. "yup"
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128. "Yes. "
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130. "Yes....Hell Yes"
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these women should do time...or at the very least have their right to legal recourse in future situations removed for a decade. has to be a penalty for this bull shit.

same goes for women who say a man rape them and later found out to be a fabrication.

those women should do twice the amount of time that the man would have/or actually served.

I personally know someone who's life was ruined back in college from this shit.

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131. "she should be punished. i just don't know what that punishment should be"
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my immediate reaction is fuck yeah, lock her up, but throwing her in jail and letting the kid wind up in the system will make everything worse for everyone.

  

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136. "i don't see how her going to jail helps anybody"
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paying damages to the dude sure...but jail time nah

  

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137. "Theres' a skeleton key here. "
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All of these scenarios....the rare ones, the common ones....ALL of them would be solved if primary custody was not awarded de facto to the mother.

If primary care allocation was even between the genders....these problems would all go away. Men are victims of these circumstances for the sole reason that women are awarded the children 93% of the time. If that base inequality was closer to 50-50....we wouldn't have these disputes.

The problem, is that women are virtually guaranteed custody of the children. If that was not so....it would take away all the opportunities and possible schemes.

  

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142. "http://gif-central.blogspot.co.il/2012/09/alonzo-zo-mourning-nod.html"
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http://gif-central.blogspot.co.il/2012/09/alonzo-zo-mourning-nod.html







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141. "nah, should be safe and rare like abortions"
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143. "Can't a man request a paternity at birth before signing the birth certif..."
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back in the day before DNA testing consisted of a cheek swab, a kit from cvs and two weeks I could have some sympathy for those men, but now a paternity test is very simple, easy and widely available
Men who get stuck with child support now a days for children who are not theirs got in that situation because the didnt bother to do their due diligence at the time of birth and willfully signed contract, not because they had some right withheld. Any man can get a test if he wants one right after the the child's bottom is smacked. So this whole "jail them/fine them" argument seems to be more about not wanting to take the responsibility to initiate the testing and shifting the responsibility off to the woman or the state because men willfully choose to wave their rights. Find me the nigga who doesn't know what a paternity test is and that they are available. Like out 98% of the reproductive burden falls on woman, men should be able to handle "can I have a paternity test" without hand holding. It's not like abortion where they are trying to pass laws to stop you from getting one or spreading misinformation about how to obtain a paternity test to keep you from having one.

If men had to keep track of who they had sex with and could be jailed for not knowing exactly who they had sex with on what day of the month for 40 consecutive years, alla yall niggas would be in jail.

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149. "believe it or not, a lot of dudes are happy to be fathers..."
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... so when the moment presents itself he will gladly sign that birth certificate because he believes in his heart that this is his child he's signing off on even in cases where he can't stand the child's mother.

Also, in the case of a long term committed relationship or married couple the man doesn't really have a reason to suspect a child to have been fathered by anyone else but himself.


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153. "I have no doubt of that..."
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But men have a court enforced and protected right to a paternity test at birth and for a period after. It doesn't make sense to test 4 million babies a year because some of yall feel uncomfortable exercising a well protected and easily accessible right...
Just like women can't have an abortion and jettison a child after so many weeks, neither should a man be able to. Men gave choice.
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154. "What?! Men allow emotion to override better judgment?"
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>... so when the moment presents itself he will gladly sign
>that birth certificate because he believes in his heart that
>this is his child he's signing off on even in cases where he
>can't stand the child's mother.


>Also, in the case of a long term committed relationship or
>married couple the man doesn't really have a reason to suspect
>a child to have been fathered by anyone else but himself.

If I were a man seeing what I've seen... I'd get a paternity test anyway.


  

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144. "RE: Should women go to jail for falsely accusing a man of being child's..."
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I wish that paternity test were done at birth BY LAW, too much of this shit going around.




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147. "So if this is a jailable offense, what about Rape by Deception?"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception

Meaning, if you sleep with someone who falsely represents themselves, then should that person be charged with rape?

It's a tangent, but I wonder if all the people who say a woman should be jailed for lying about the paternity of her child feel that a person should go to jail for lying about themselves to get sex.

  

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148. "after going down that rabbit hole, yes."
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I ended up reading a lot about Richard Allen Minsky. That's one creepy ass dude.

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152. "Impersonating someone yes...simply lying, no."
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155. "Rape by Deception has to be criminal...."
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>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception
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>Meaning, if you sleep with someone who falsely represents
>themselves, then should that person be charged with rape?
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>It's a tangent, but I wonder if all the people who say a woman
>should be jailed for lying about the paternity of her child
>feel that a person should go to jail for lying about
>themselves to get sex.

You have to be a real thirst bucket to try to fuck a woman while she's sleep and can't see. This is illegal tho. People were convicted in both cases so this is illegal. I can't even wrap my brain around this concept AT ALL.


If both parties are drunk then that's up for review. If a guy intentionally gets a woman drunk past the point of consent by whatever definition you define past the point of consent then throw the book at him.

  

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150. "To Protect Child's Wealth: Paternity Tests Should be Required at Signing..."
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As much as I hate to see women stress out about pregnancy, knowing that we must verify the father's paternity will hold more women responsible.

Any blow schmo can walk into a delivery room sign the paper and walk out.

In the case of Anna Nicole, the men were fighting over paternity because of her wealth. I know of many situations where men were eager to be identified as the father because the child's mother was well off (see Caribbean men).

It isn't always the woman who is seeking financial compensation or deception. Sometimes the men just get women pregnant with hopes that they can cash in on alimony.

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