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"Tsarnaev Gets Death Penalty in Bombing"


  

          

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/16/us/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-death-sentence.html

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I think I'm against the death penalty in general.
May 15th 2015
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it certainly undermines any moral high ground we claim...
May 15th 2015
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      you know, because this was a capital case
May 15th 2015
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           great point
May 15th 2015
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damn
May 15th 2015
2
All twelve, too
May 15th 2015
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your logic is backwards
May 15th 2015
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      The death penalty is more punishment or price than deterrent
May 15th 2015
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      agreed, and my opinion is that is not truly civilized behavior
May 15th 2015
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      imo big brother's infuence shouldn't factor in
May 15th 2015
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      Killing him sets a clear precedent for future Americanized terrorists
May 16th 2015
46
           "the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence"
May 17th 2015
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                Stop stealing my Rumsfield quotes!
May 17th 2015
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I think violently expressing a gross contempt for life warrants it.
May 15th 2015
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Bostonians were galvanized against dude, no way they were paying for him
May 15th 2015
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he'll prolly live another 20 years in prison on appeals alone
May 15th 2015
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It'll likely cost more to kill him tho...
May 15th 2015
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Execution supposedly costs more due to lawyer fees from appeal hearings
May 15th 2015
13
like 1-3 million more in a lot of cases at that
May 16th 2015
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he was/is going to federal prison anyway.
May 15th 2015
27
We should be better than this
May 15th 2015
11
The Death Penalty solves nothing.
May 15th 2015
12
no snark, I assumed you'd be for death penalty
May 15th 2015
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      And why would you assume such a thing?
May 15th 2015
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           the eye for eye concept
May 15th 2015
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                old testament shit...
May 15th 2015
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                     War and Punishment are TWO different matters
May 15th 2015
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                     walking out of your front door to a cluster bomb is very cruel
May 15th 2015
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                          But that's not the case in this matter is it?
May 16th 2015
56
                               all i'm pointing out is a disconnect
May 17th 2015
65
                     why you undermining my Socratic method Phil
May 15th 2015
41
                          so crates ain't got nothin on hotep
May 15th 2015
43
Now that's true justice.
May 15th 2015
18
lol @ you having an MLK quote in your sig
May 15th 2015
25
      lol it made me wince
May 15th 2015
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           comedy
May 15th 2015
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i'm cool with it.
May 15th 2015
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I honestly thought he might've gotten life.
May 15th 2015
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      i wonder if some Bostonians feel a need to view him as "dangerous"
May 15th 2015
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           isn't he dangerous?
May 15th 2015
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                not in a jail cell for the rest of his life
May 15th 2015
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sooner the better
May 15th 2015
22
You're better than this
May 16th 2015
61
North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, China & the United States Of America
May 15th 2015
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I'm good with this one
May 15th 2015
30
^^^about where I'm at with it^^^
May 15th 2015
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if only you could actually separate these things in reality
May 15th 2015
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We kill people ALL THE TIME
May 15th 2015
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      "all the pieces matter" Lester Freamon
May 15th 2015
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foolish.
May 16th 2015
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I love how this fanatical TSA case left off India Lol
May 16th 2015
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executing someone who murdered innocent ppl doesn't make us North Korea
May 16th 2015
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      im sure we've executed innocent people in the past.
May 16th 2015
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           ok so you're talking about the death penalty in general
May 18th 2015
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shrugs... I'm cool with it
May 15th 2015
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Death Penalty is about anger and spite, not necessities of justice
May 16th 2015
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would it change it for you if you're fam or friend was killed or maimed
May 16th 2015
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your
May 16th 2015
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ive had friends/family injured in bombings...multiple times
May 16th 2015
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Yes. And I would be wrong.
May 16th 2015
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Yeah. That's partly the point of justice system
May 16th 2015
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http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/04/16/end-anguish-drop-death-penal...
May 17th 2015
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regardless of the crime, I'm still 100% against the death penalty
May 16th 2015
48
I'm always torn about the death penalty
May 16th 2015
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Because nothing deters martyr loving extremism quite like death
May 16th 2015
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^
May 16th 2015
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Why are y'all surprised? This is Boston we talking about...
May 16th 2015
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#actually...this article seems to suggest the city is torn on the verdic...
May 16th 2015
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They are wringing their hands over it...but trust me, he was going to ge...
May 17th 2015
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RE: Why are y'all surprised? He blew up a bomb at The Super Bowl
May 17th 2015
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      huh??? nah just life in prison
May 17th 2015
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           there was a bomb at the superbowl?
May 17th 2015
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                bruh i didn't even catch that
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                     Why are yall suprised a person gets death for bombing a sports event?
May 17th 2015
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                          you should learn to read
May 17th 2015
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                               Boston Marathon = Super Bowl of Marathons
May 17th 2015
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                                    nice. save
May 17th 2015
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well..
May 17th 2015
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I know at least one of you pro death penalty ppl need a job......
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MEAT
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1. "I think I'm against the death penalty in general. "
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I don't have any real fleshed out thoughts but every time I see someone sentenced to it, it pings me as wrong.

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4. "it certainly undermines any moral high ground we claim..."
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it's one of those things where you're either completely against it or completely for it

the idea that it's okay for "certain crimes" is foolish and dangerous.


and of course, in its application in our country it has killed numerous likely innocents and is obviously highly biased racially...

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15. "you know, because this was a capital case"
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during jury selection, anyone who said that they could not vote for the death penalty was excused. So that means this was a jury made up of people who think that the death penalty is okay. It's not a true cross representation of the country and certainly not of Massachusetts.

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16. "great point"
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in general jury manipulation is a huge reason why "fair trials" in the US are mostly a fantasy (maybe a bit hyperbolic but yeah...)

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2. "damn"
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we continue to show our propensity towards revenge and emotion rather than justice and logic

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3. "All twelve, too "
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No such thing as halfway crooks

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5. "your logic is backwards"
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>No such thing as halfway crooks

the idea that he was brought into this thing by his brother should have mitigated the desire to kill him, but you oddly use it to claim the case for killing is stronger...as some sort of deterrent? as if the death penalty has shown any evidence of deterence...

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10. "The death penalty is more punishment or price than deterrent "
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It may have always been that.

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17. "agreed, and my opinion is that is not truly civilized behavior"
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word to the current comic iteration of Rick Grimes.

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32. "imo big brother's infuence shouldn't factor in"
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most people who have done horrible things were influenced, or have had horrible things happen to them in their life that brought them to that point. a lot of child molesters were victims of sexual abuse themselves, but once they cross that line, i no longer feel sorry for them.

ultimately this dude is an adult and he made his own decision. he lost any empathy i had for his situation when he decided to help blow up a bunch of innocent people. some things you just can't come back from.

to me the death penalty should be based solely on his actions, and whether or not if we think we have the right as a society to kill people. personally i'm fine with frying him, but i do understand the arguments against it.

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46. "Killing him sets a clear precedent for future Americanized terrorists"
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Death penalty ain't gonna deter a hardened terrorist like Tamerlan from doing his thing.

But it's different for little bro. He blends in well with our culture and way of life. Probably has less conviction and is much much harder for the FBI to identify. He represents a more challenging threat. Tamerlan gets put on watch lists. Dzhokar does not.

Going into this I don't think little bro wanted death. It's why he ran from police in Watertown instead of going out guns blazing like Tamerlan

anyone in a similar position as dzhokar plotting some shit right now knows if he's captured alive -- he's not gonna get free HBO in a cell the rest of his life.


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64. ""the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence""
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/04/30/theres-still-no-evidence-that-executions-deter-criminals/

the way you frame your argumemt sounds good, the problem is that there is a fundamental flaw in claiming the death penalty is a deterrent

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73. "Stop stealing my Rumsfield quotes!"
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6. "I think violently expressing a gross contempt for life warrants it. "
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Doesn't mean I like it and I think it's only an option 1% of the time.

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7. "Bostonians were galvanized against dude, no way they were paying for him"
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to rot in a jail cell for the rest of his life.

He deserves it, but still

it's Boston...

  

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8. "he'll prolly live another 20 years in prison on appeals alone"
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and by then there's always a chance that capital punishment will have been abolished or suspended in that state.


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9. "It'll likely cost more to kill him tho..."
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13. "Execution supposedly costs more due to lawyer fees from appeal hearings"
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57. "like 1-3 million more in a lot of cases at that"
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27. "he was/is going to federal prison anyway."
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federal tax dollars (not state or local) will pay for his imprisonment, attorney fees and execution.

fuck you.

  

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11. "We should be better than this"
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12. "The Death Penalty solves nothing."
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14. "no snark, I assumed you'd be for death penalty"
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19. "And why would you assume such a thing?"
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20. "the eye for eye concept"
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24. "old testament shit..."
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now for the record tho i distinctly remember a post by case where he was giddy over a gang of US troops singing Christian hyms so I don't think he has any particular issue with killing people in pursuit of US goals

oh yeah, Yeshua was a victim of capital punishment too but that should be ok bc it was his destiny to bring balance to the force or something

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38. "War and Punishment are TWO different matters"
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The death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment.


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39. "walking out of your front door to a cluster bomb is very cruel"
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and unusual

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56. "But that's not the case in this matter is it?"
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65. "all i'm pointing out is a disconnect "
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in one circumstance state sactioned killing is cruel & unusual in another it's apparently not

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41. "why you undermining my Socratic method Phil"
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Lol.

  

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43. "so crates ain't got nothin on hotep"
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18. "Now that's true justice."
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"A nation or civilization that continues to produce soft-minded men purchases its own spiritual death on the installment plan" (c) Martin Luther King Jr.

  

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25. "lol @ you having an MLK quote in your sig"
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might wanna study up lol

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42. "comedy"
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21. "i'm cool with it. "
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also, was there every any doubt he'd be put to death?

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26. "I honestly thought he might've gotten life."
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But a cop died (plus the obvious carnage) so you know how that goes.

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29. "i wonder if some Bostonians feel a need to view him as "dangerous""
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particularly & specifically dangerous i should say bc the entire city essentially submitted to martial law behind this one teenaged kid

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31. "isn't he dangerous?"
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i mean, i'm confused about you saying Bostonians need to VIEW him as dangerous. he proved to be dangerous. he killed people.

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35. "not in a jail cell for the rest of his life"
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particularly because he was radicalized via a close personal relationship with a role model (who is dead) not by more "traditional" means

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61. "You're better than this "
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23. "North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, China & the United States Of America"
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the countries responsible for the most statewide exectutions in the world


"we" are in great company.

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30. "I'm good with this one"
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I agree that executions in the U.S. are often problematic, say if you're in Texas or not white.

But in the case where they have video of someone placing a bomb, a video of it exploding, they find the materials to build it at their house, the accused kidnap/carjack someone with their brother who identifies them, and then they write a confession note - well I'm fine with putting that person to death.

I'll debate/side with you on how its implemented elsewhere in our system (usually really poorly,) but this one's okay in my eyes.

I was fine with McViegh also.

  

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33. "^^^about where I'm at with it^^^"
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34. "if only you could actually separate these things in reality"
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fact is that if we can accept killing someone in one context it makes it more likely to occur in others

as the old cliche goes, this does not happen in a vacuum

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36. "We kill people ALL THE TIME"
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>fact is that if we can accept killing someone in one context
>it makes it more likely to occur in others
>
>as the old cliche goes, this does not happen in a vacuum

I'll work with you on the other ones, and then we can tackle this one. But in that order.

  

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37. ""all the pieces matter" Lester Freamon"
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>>fact is that if we can accept killing someone in one
>context
>>it makes it more likely to occur in others
>>
>>as the old cliche goes, this does not happen in a vacuum
>
>I'll work with you on the other ones, and then we can tackle
>this one. But in that order.
>

again, if we accept this as just we implicitly legitimize other forms & instances of official government murder

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51. "foolish. "
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we're no better than these countries in *that regard*

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/04/10/an-eye-opening-map-of-which-countries-execute-the-most-prisoners/

its 2013 stats but the "rankings" have held in place for the most part, sadly



>I agree that executions in the U.S. are often problematic,
>say if you're in Texas or not white.

or any of these backward ass states

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Utah
Virginia
Washington
Wyoming





> - well I'm fine with putting that person to
>death.

have a cookie. it still doesn't deter terrorism in any way.


>I'll debate/side with you on how its implemented elsewhere in
>our system (usually really poorly,) but this one's okay in my
>eyes.

lol, we're not on the same side of this argument. at all. any implementation of it is "poor".

all good tho.


>I was fine with McViegh also.


have another cookie, and a pop.

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47. "I love how this fanatical TSA case left off India Lol"
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How many times u been randomly selected? Lol

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54. "executing someone who murdered innocent ppl doesn't make us North Korea"
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55. "im sure we've executed innocent people in the past."
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even today how many times do we hear of someone being wrongfully imprisoned for decades at a time before being exonerated due to dna or some other evidence?

the death penalty is final.

life imprisonment isn't.

also plz spare me with the "OMG IT COSTS SO MUCH!!" argument.

the only thing this country loves more than its military industry is the prison industry. we love spending money on putting people behind bars. it's not changing anytime soon.

no one cares about prisoners once they get locked up. lol tbh, no one cares about them or what they have to say, when they get released either

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78. "ok so you're talking about the death penalty in general"
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Not Tsarnaev specifically. Thats fine.



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40. "shrugs... I'm cool with it"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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44. "Death Penalty is about anger and spite, not necessities of justice"
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45. "would it change it for you if you're fam or friend was killed or maimed"
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that day? or if you were?


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49. "your"
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50. "ive had friends/family injured in bombings...multiple times"
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most recently this one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Hyderabad_blasts

still doesnt change my stance


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52. "Yes. And I would be wrong."
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fuck you.

  

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58. "Yeah. That's partly the point of justice system"
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Take my biased emotion out of it and replace with something that will hopefully, with work and refinement, be better for all of us.

Just IMO though.

  

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66. "http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/04/16/end-anguish-drop-death-penal..."
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http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/04/16/end-anguish-drop-death-penalty/ocQLejp8H2vesDavItHIEN/story.html

how about in this very case Martin Richards' parents penly opposed killing Tsarnev

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48. "regardless of the crime, I'm still 100% against the death penalty"
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but this is 'MURRICA where violence rules supreme and is excused, except when certain people do it, so ... whatever

  

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53. "I'm always torn about the death penalty "
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I'm split right down the middle. They wait too long to execute people in general, I'm a Christian I believe people can be saved and live to do great things. Why let people live on, change their lives, do great things behind bars, and then punish them for shit they did 20years prior? Then you pray for them before you sin by taking their life?

Killing him doesn't bring people back.

But then part of me says he'll never truly suffer the pain the victims and families do. He's sick. He won't get raped or get his ass kicked in general population. He'll be in confinement. Yea that's not being out and free but that's not what he wanted anyway. He knew what he was doing. He'll have health care in prison though and live to be older than some of his victims...




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59. "Because nothing deters martyr loving extremism quite like death"
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Just IMO though.

  

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63. "^"
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60. "Why are y'all surprised? This is Boston we talking about..."
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62. "#actually...this article seems to suggest the city is torn on the verdic..."
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are there any boston okps..maybe they can chime in.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/us/death-sentence-for-boston-bomber-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-unsettles-city-he-tore-apart.html?smid=tw-nytimes


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68. "They are wringing their hands over it...but trust me, he was going to ge..."
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67. "RE: Why are y'all surprised? He blew up a bomb at The Super Bowl"
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Did y'all think he was going to get probation with time served?

  

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69. "huh??? nah just life in prison"
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not death.

  

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70. "there was a bomb at the superbowl?"
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unless he/she is talking about pete carrol's final play call..i must have missed it

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71. "bruh i didn't even catch that"
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lofl. wow

  

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72. "Why are yall suprised a person gets death for bombing a sports event?"
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A major event at that has so many innocent people there?

He knew what he was doing and deserves the same fate he delivered to his victims.

He was callous and have the nerve to plead not guilty.

Did he not intentionally blow those people up or not?

  

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74. "you should learn to read"
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one, we're laughing at you for calling the Boston Marathon the Super Bowl

two, your original OP was ridiculous in that it assumed people thought he was going to get off light when posters are discussing the merits of the death penalty in America

three, even if you believe everything your wrote about his motivations does he deserve death? that's the convo folks are trying to have. it seems you aren't trying to have it so...

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76. "Boston Marathon = Super Bowl of Marathons"
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>one, we're laughing at you for calling the Boston Marathon
>the Super Bowl
>


It shuts the city down.
Everyone comes out.
Brings them together.
That's why I say he had no chance.
Boston Marathon galvanizes the city
So for someone to taint that with death, they will be issued death.

  

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77. "nice. save"
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75. "well.."
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If he had been a christian and blown up an abortion clinic and killed several people as a result, they would have given him life in prison... SMH

"You used to be so cool, but now, you know you're so cold"

  

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79. "I know at least one of you pro death penalty ppl need a job......"
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http://rt.com/news/259873-saudi-arabia-hires-executioners/

Saudi Arabia, which executes more criminals than any nation except China and Iran, wants to hire eight new executioners. A surge in executions has been witnessed under new King Salman’s rule.

The job description published online on Monday says no special training is required from applicants. The executioners would be required to behead condemned criminals in public as well as carry out amputations on those convicted of lesser offenses, Reuters reported.

The executioners would be considered as ‘religious functionaries’, since they would be serving religious courts and be on the lower end of the civil service pay scale, the ad said.

The recruitment drive comes a day after Saudi Arabia executed the 85th person this year. The number reached in less than five months is compared to an estimated 90 executions over the whole 2014, according to Amnesty International.

Saudi Arabian authorities do not officially explain the surge in executions. Some observers suggest that since King Salman ascended the Saudi throne in January, additional judges have been appointed and managed to deal with a backlog of appeal cases by death-row inmates.

Criminals are usually executed in Saudi Arabia by public beheading, although occasionally death by stoning or firing squad is ordered. The crimes punishable by death range from violent crimes like murder and rape to blasphemy, adultery, drug crimes, witchcraft and sorcery.

About half of those executed are Saudi nationals. Most of the others come from countries like Pakistan, Yemen, Syria, Jordan, India, Indonesia, Burma, Chad, Eritrea the Philippines and Sudan, according to Human Rights Watch.

While beheadings are public, filming them is forbidden. In January, footage of a woman’s execution was leaked online, leading to the arrest of the person responsible.

In 2014, Saudi Arabia was ranked third on Amnesty International’s list of countries that carry out the most executions, surpassing Iraq and the United States. China and Iran were ranked 1st and 2nd respectively. Twenty-two countries are currently known to practice capital punishment.

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