http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/16/us/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-death-sentence.html

I don't have any real fleshed out thoughts but every time I see someone sentenced to it, it pings me as wrong.

it's one of those things where you're either completely against it or completely for it

the idea that it's okay for "certain crimes" is foolish and dangerous.


and of course, in its application in our country it has killed numerous likely innocents and is obviously highly biased racially...

during jury selection, anyone who said that they could not vote for the death penalty was excused. So that means this was a jury made up of people who think that the death penalty is okay. It's not a true cross representation of the country and certainly not of Massachusetts.

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in general jury manipulation is a huge reason why "fair trials" in the US are mostly a fantasy (maybe a bit hyperbolic but yeah...)

we continue to show our propensity towards revenge and emotion rather than justice and logic

No such thing as halfway crooks

>No such thing as halfway crooks

the idea that he was brought into this thing by his brother should have mitigated the desire to kill him, but you oddly use it to claim the case for killing is stronger...as some sort of deterrent? as if the death penalty has shown any evidence of deterence...

It may have always been that.

word to the current comic iteration of Rick Grimes.

most people who have done horrible things were influenced, or have had horrible things happen to them in their life that brought them to that point. a lot of child molesters were victims of sexual abuse themselves, but once they cross that line, i no longer feel sorry for them.

ultimately this dude is an adult and he made his own decision. he lost any empathy i had for his situation when he decided to help blow up a bunch of innocent people. some things you just can't come back from.

to me the death penalty should be based solely on his actions, and whether or not if we think we have the right as a society to kill people. personally i'm fine with frying him, but i do understand the arguments against it.

Death penalty ain't gonna deter a hardened terrorist like Tamerlan from doing his thing.

But it's different for little bro. He blends in well with our culture and way of life. Probably has less conviction and is much much harder for the FBI to identify. He represents a more challenging threat. Tamerlan gets put on watch lists. Dzhokar does not.

Going into this I don't think little bro wanted death. It's why he ran from police in Watertown instead of going out guns blazing like Tamerlan

anyone in a similar position as dzhokar plotting some shit right now knows if he's captured alive -- he's not gonna get free HBO in a cell the rest of his life.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/04/30/theres-still-no-evidence-that-executions-deter-criminals/

the way you frame your argumemt sounds good, the problem is that there is a fundamental flaw in claiming the death penalty is a deterrent

Doesn't mean I like it and I think it's only an option 1% of the time.

to rot in a jail cell for the rest of his life.

He deserves it, but still

it's Boston...

and by then there's always a chance that capital punishment will have been abolished or suspended in that state.


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federal tax dollars (not state or local) will pay for his imprisonment, attorney fees and execution.

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now for the record tho i distinctly remember a post by case where he was giddy over a gang of US troops singing Christian hyms so I don't think he has any particular issue with killing people in pursuit of US goals

oh yeah, Yeshua was a victim of capital punishment too but that should be ok bc it was his destiny to bring balance to the force or something

The death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment.


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and unusual

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"Jesus is my Lord and Savior. And if you believe in him can be your's too."

in one circumstance state sactioned killing is cruel & unusual in another it's apparently not

Lol.

might wanna study up lol

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also, was there every any doubt he'd be put to death?

But a cop died (plus the obvious carnage) so you know how that goes.

particularly & specifically dangerous i should say bc the entire city essentially submitted to martial law behind this one teenaged kid

i mean, i'm confused about you saying Bostonians need to VIEW him as dangerous. he proved to be dangerous. he killed people.

particularly because he was radicalized via a close personal relationship with a role model (who is dead) not by more "traditional" means

the countries responsible for the most statewide exectutions in the world


"we" are in great company.

smh

I agree that executions in the U.S. are often problematic, say if you're in Texas or not white.

But in the case where they have video of someone placing a bomb, a video of it exploding, they find the materials to build it at their house, the accused kidnap/carjack someone with their brother who identifies them, and then they write a confession note - well I'm fine with putting that person to death.

I'll debate/side with you on how its implemented elsewhere in our system (usually really poorly,) but this one's okay in my eyes.

I was fine with McViegh also.

fact is that if we can accept killing someone in one context it makes it more likely to occur in others

as the old cliche goes, this does not happen in a vacuum

>fact is that if we can accept killing someone in one context
>it makes it more likely to occur in others
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>as the old cliche goes, this does not happen in a vacuum

I'll work with you on the other ones, and then we can tackle this one. But in that order.

>>fact is that if we can accept killing someone in one
>context
>>it makes it more likely to occur in others
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>>as the old cliche goes, this does not happen in a vacuum
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>I'll work with you on the other ones, and then we can tackle
>this one. But in that order.
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again, if we accept this as just we implicitly legitimize other forms & instances of official government murder

we're no better than these countries in *that regard*

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/04/10/an-eye-opening-map-of-which-countries-execute-the-most-prisoners/

its 2013 stats but the "rankings" have held in place for the most part, sadly



>I agree that executions in the U.S. are often problematic,
>say if you're in Texas or not white.

or any of these backward ass states

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Utah
Virginia
Washington
Wyoming





> - well I'm fine with putting that person to
>death.

have a cookie. it still doesn't deter terrorism in any way.


>I'll debate/side with you on how its implemented elsewhere in
>our system (usually really poorly,) but this one's okay in my
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lol, we're not on the same side of this argument. at all. any implementation of it is "poor".

all good tho.


>I was fine with McViegh also.


have another cookie, and a pop.

How many times u been randomly selected? Lol

even today how many times do we hear of someone being wrongfully imprisoned for decades at a time before being exonerated due to dna or some other evidence?

the death penalty is final.

life imprisonment isn't.

also plz spare me with the "OMG IT COSTS SO MUCH!!" argument.

the only thing this country loves more than its military industry is the prison industry. we love spending money on putting people behind bars. it's not changing anytime soon.

no one cares about prisoners once they get locked up. lol tbh, no one cares about them or what they have to say, when they get released either

Not Tsarnaev specifically. Thats fine.

that day? or if you were?


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most recently this one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Hyderabad_blasts

still doesnt change my stance

Take my biased emotion out of it and replace with something that will hopefully, with work and refinement, be better for all of us.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/04/16/end-anguish-drop-death-penalty/ocQLejp8H2vesDavItHIEN/story.html

how about in this very case Martin Richards' parents penly opposed killing Tsarnev

but this is 'MURRICA where violence rules supreme and is excused, except when certain people do it, so ... whatever

I'm split right down the middle. They wait too long to execute people in general, I'm a Christian I believe people can be saved and live to do great things. Why let people live on, change their lives, do great things behind bars, and then punish them for shit they did 20years prior? Then you pray for them before you sin by taking their life?

Killing him doesn't bring people back.

But then part of me says he'll never truly suffer the pain the victims and families do. He's sick. He won't get raped or get his ass kicked in general population. He'll be in confinement. Yea that's not being out and free but that's not what he wanted anyway. He knew what he was doing. He'll have health care in prison though and live to be older than some of his victims...

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are there any boston okps..maybe they can chime in.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/us/death-sentence-for-boston-bomber-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-unsettles-city-he-tore-apart.html?smid=tw-nytimes

Did y'all think he was going to get probation with time served?

not death.

unless he/she is talking about pete carrol's final play call..i must have missed it

lofl. wow

A major event at that has so many innocent people there?

He knew what he was doing and deserves the same fate he delivered to his victims.

He was callous and have the nerve to plead not guilty.

Did he not intentionally blow those people up or not?

one, we're laughing at you for calling the Boston Marathon the Super Bowl

two, your original OP was ridiculous in that it assumed people thought he was going to get off light when posters are discussing the merits of the death penalty in America

three, even if you believe everything your wrote about his motivations does he deserve death? that's the convo folks are trying to have. it seems you aren't trying to have it so...

good day

>one, we're laughing at you for calling the Boston Marathon
>the Super Bowl
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It shuts the city down.
Everyone comes out.
Brings them together.
That's why I say he had no chance.
Boston Marathon galvanizes the city
So for someone to taint that with death, they will be issued death.

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If he had been a christian and blown up an abortion clinic and killed several people as a result, they would have given him life in prison... SMH

http://rt.com/news/259873-saudi-arabia-hires-executioners/

Saudi Arabia, which executes more criminals than any nation except China and Iran, wants to hire eight new executioners. A surge in executions has been witnessed under new King Salman’s rule.

The job description published online on Monday says no special training is required from applicants. The executioners would be required to behead condemned criminals in public as well as carry out amputations on those convicted of lesser offenses, Reuters reported.

The executioners would be considered as ‘religious functionaries’, since they would be serving religious courts and be on the lower end of the civil service pay scale, the ad said.

The recruitment drive comes a day after Saudi Arabia executed the 85th person this year. The number reached in less than five months is compared to an estimated 90 executions over the whole 2014, according to Amnesty International.

Saudi Arabian authorities do not officially explain the surge in executions. Some observers suggest that since King Salman ascended the Saudi throne in January, additional judges have been appointed and managed to deal with a backlog of appeal cases by death-row inmates.

Criminals are usually executed in Saudi Arabia by public beheading, although occasionally death by stoning or firing squad is ordered. The crimes punishable by death range from violent crimes like murder and rape to blasphemy, adultery, drug crimes, witchcraft and sorcery.

About half of those executed are Saudi nationals. Most of the others come from countries like Pakistan, Yemen, Syria, Jordan, India, Indonesia, Burma, Chad, Eritrea the Philippines and Sudan, according to Human Rights Watch.

While beheadings are public, filming them is forbidden. In January, footage of a woman’s execution was leaked online, leading to the arrest of the person responsible.

In 2014, Saudi Arabia was ranked third on Amnesty International’s list of countries that carry out the most executions, surpassing Iraq and the United States. China and Iran were ranked 1st and 2nd respectively. Twenty-two countries are currently known to practice capital punishment.