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Lil Rabies
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"Claudette Ortiz should have been a megastar"


  

          

I know the story of her and the city high dudes, but she is still in my all time top 3. Somebody dropped the ball. Maybe it's just me, but she makes today's crop seem faint. Y'all always playing what ifs, I have a hard time seeing Beyoncé superstar if Aaliyah lived and somebody really pushed Claudette. There wouldn't be any shine for her tree in that forest.

Taking shots in the dark/that's a bad call
Going straight for your head/ gotta saw it off

  

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Her personality is dry and she's dead behind the eyes...
Mar 25th 2015
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RE: Her personality is dry and she's dead behind the eyes.....
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It's not like Beyonce has a beaming natural personality...
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she had all of that.
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And then there's that....
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yeah but, wycleff is a star so ultimately his shine matters more to him
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she would've needed Jesus as her manager/svengali.
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Wyclef was a terrible manager/mentor/svengali
Mar 26th 2015
oh okay.
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      I like you. Despite
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           My ppl make those women you lust after.
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By 2002, Wyclef wasn't nearly the same. He owned 98
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      great.
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           Yea, who knows how she woulda been with better material
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                eh.
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Both of y'all might be right...
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Aaliyah had that dead-eyed look too
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you wouldn't have heard of Claudette if Lauryn stayed w/the Fugees.
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My nigga (c) Denzel
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she's not better than any of the girls dropped from Destiny's Child
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very talented but, not cut out to be a star.
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No she looked like one.
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Aaliyah &beyonce had the dance/entertainer performance angle
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Tweet became a verb and she never blew up
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      People didn't like the 2nd CD - that first single was a-ight
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           The first album was excellent. The two singles off the
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           RE: People didn't like the 2nd CD - that first single was a-ight
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Lmfao. I'm sure you think the same about the woman in your avi
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RE: Lmfao. I'm sure you think the same about the woman in your avi
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RE: Claudette Ortiz should have been a megastar
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Can she write for shit?
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she ain't write that record.
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      okay
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who?
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Sometimes women disappear because they start families.
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RE: Sometimes women disappear because they start families.
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RE: Sometimes women disappear because they start families.
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or when their personal lives are too messy to handle.
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her music was ass (to me) but i had posters of her all over my dorm
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she stopped putting out for Clef
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LOL, Why?
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ODotSoHot
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1. "Her personality is dry and she's dead behind the eyes..."
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...gorgeous, yes...but there's nothing exciting about her.

  

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Lil Rabies
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2. "RE: Her personality is dry and she's dead behind the eyes....."
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I could say the same about B. She tried way too hard early on.

Taking shots in the dark/that's a bad call
Going straight for your head/ gotta saw it off

  

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3. "It's not like Beyonce has a beaming natural personality..."
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If the right machine had been behind Claudette from the beginning in terms or songwriting, artist development, label support, etc., she woulda been huge.

  

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5. "she had all of that."
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she was w/Wyclef's vanity label and he produced most of City High's album, right?

and this was when Wyclef was still churning out hot records on the regular.

fuck you.

  

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9. "And then there's that...."
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10. "yeah but, wycleff is a star so ultimately his shine matters more to him"
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than anyone else he might be grooming where AS beyonce's father had one focus...BEYONCE.

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17. "she would've needed Jesus as her manager/svengali."
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someone who could work miracles. and magic. and put spells on ppl.

fuck you.

  

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"Wyclef was a terrible manager/mentor/svengali"


          

He had a sure thing in Canibus, and bricked. Melky Sedek and all those dudes he got on soundtracks/Santana albums? All bricked. His non-Fugees track record is terrible.

  

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23. "oh okay."
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Claudette could've had Joe Jackson, Phil Spector, Quincy Jones and Matthew Knowles managing and grooming her and she still wouldn't have been a megastar.

fuck you.

  

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Lil Rabies
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37. "I like you. Despite"
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All the stuff you do
When you don a cape
I see the good
Even if you don't


And an uber lurker like myself always respects the pillars



But you can't see the "intangibles" objectively no matter how much you think you can because your preference has conditioned you away from the subtleties of the fairer race as they say

Taking shots in the dark/that's a bad call
Going straight for your head/ gotta saw it off

  

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38. "My ppl make those women you lust after."
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We dress them. We make them up. We teach them to walk and dance and all of that. It's mostly us.

Claudette doesn't have star power. She is good looking but it takes more than being good looking to be a megastar. The music industry is littered with beautiful women who didn't make it as stars.

fuck you.

  

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32. "By 2002, Wyclef wasn't nearly the same. He owned 98"
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Making my 98 mix made me realize how on top he was....Gone til November Remix, that Night Court Horse and Carriage remix, No no no, etc etc he was on fire.

But 2002, I think that's when folks had got tired of him.

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33. "great."
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she could've had Berry Gordy managing her in 1968 w/Cholly Atkins doing her choreography and Holland-Dozier-Holland writing her songs and she still wouldn't be a megastar.

she ain't got it.

fuck you.

  

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34. "Yea, who knows how she woulda been with better material"
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But "Caramel" and "What would you do" were pretty garbage. I just liked looking at her

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35. "eh."
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i don't think she could've made it even w/better material. but i dunno for sure, of course.

fuck you.

  

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6. "Both of y'all might be right..."
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...granted, hindsight is 20/20, but Bey just seems like she had more intangibles than Claudette. She had that indescribable 'thing'. I never saw it in Claudette. Same with Keri Hilson, Christina Milian, etc. But who knows...round '03, if Claudette had been the one to pique Jay's interest, her and Bey's trajectories could have both been wholly different.

  

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21. "Aaliyah had that dead-eyed look too"
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4. "you wouldn't have heard of Claudette if Lauryn stayed w/the Fugees."
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she was a Lauryn replacement.

and i agree she doesn't have star power. she can sing well enough but she doesn't have 'it'.

fuck you.

  

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7. "My nigga (c) Denzel"
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8. "she's not better than any of the girls dropped from Destiny's Child"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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11. "very talented but, not cut out to be a star."
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12. "No she looked like one. "
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Made decisions like amateur lol also just wasn't the right time
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13. "Aaliyah &beyonce had the dance/entertainer performance angle"
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Claudette being just vocals, her ceiling was Ashanti


And Ashanti herself was more of a breakthrough
The rest of artists in that lane didn't get much farther than Claudette

Tweet
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Cassie
Teirra Marie
LaChat
Amerie


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19. "Tweet became a verb and she never blew up"
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I know she mad as shit somewhere in the south humming away

What was her deal? she had Missy pushing her when Missy was MISSY

  

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20. "People didn't like the 2nd CD - that first single was a-ight"
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but people were like "....eh..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5sJc4MOxT0


She probably shouldn't have named her second album "It's me again"

sort of gave the impression Tweet and Missy were coming back with some half-baked stuff.


Her situation is sort of like the industry machine politics (whatever you want to call it). As in...


Did Missy and the record label have to pay more radio DJ's off to make them play the tracks from the second album? Is that what is really required for getting an artist airplay?

Or did the public just not want to hear any more from the second album besides the first single?

  

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28. "The first album was excellent. The two singles off the"
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first album weren't representative of the sound of the whole project, and she suffered for that. It was really a Neo Soul album.

  

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29. "RE: People didn't like the 2nd CD - that first single was a-ight"
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She had 1 amazing single that pierced public consciousness..

Then waited 3 years to drop another album in the thick of a sea change in music where competition was real as shit..

no "industry" anything.. just real easy explanation

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14. "Lmfao. I'm sure you think the same about the woman in your avi"
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Cut the bullshit, there's nothing "megastar" about her. You just enjoy looking at her.


Let my love slide in and never slip out

  

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15. "RE: Lmfao. I'm sure you think the same about the woman in your avi"
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Yeah that's my point. Some careers in the auto tune bad bitch era aren't about vocals but creating a package from someone visually appealing. Wasn't there a shame post not too long ago about Jazzmin Sullivan? But yeah, Claudette seemed like a lottery pick so fail-safe in terms of looks, it's hard not to assume that it was because of poor development her career never thrived.

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16. "RE: Claudette Ortiz should have been a megastar"
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Damn! Completely forgot about her.

  

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18. "Can she write for shit?"
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That "What would you do" was the chorus about 143 times and eight other words in the whole song.

Felt about as thick and filling as a Krystal burger

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25. "she ain't write that record."
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The dudes did.

  

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39. "okay"
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I wouldn't claim it either


jokes

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22. "who?"
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24. "Sometimes women disappear because they start families. "
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26. "RE: Sometimes women disappear because they start families. "
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27. "RE: Sometimes women disappear because they start families. "
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ummm...

You never seen Making The Band huh?

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30. "or when their personal lives are too messy to handle."
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here for dis.

  

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31. "her music was ass (to me) but i had posters of her all over my dorm"
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room freshman year. and by posters, i mean pages ripped out of King Magazine.

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36. "she stopped putting out for Clef"
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"when I was growin' up if we wanted a jacuzzi we had to fart in the tub!"

  

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40. "LOL, Why?"
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And Aaliyah people really need to come to grips with the fact that B was already a bigger star than Baby Girl when she passed.

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