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Topic subjectClaudette Ortiz should have been a megastar
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12763145, Claudette Ortiz should have been a megastar
Posted by Lil Rabies, Wed Mar-25-15 08:35 PM
I know the story of her and the city high dudes, but she is still in my all time top 3. Somebody dropped the ball. Maybe it's just me, but she makes today's crop seem faint. Y'all always playing what ifs, I have a hard time seeing Beyoncé superstar if Aaliyah lived and somebody really pushed Claudette. There wouldn't be any shine for her tree in that forest.
12763150, Her personality is dry and she's dead behind the eyes...
Posted by ODotSoHot, Wed Mar-25-15 08:38 PM
...gorgeous, yes...but there's nothing exciting about her.
12763159, RE: Her personality is dry and she's dead behind the eyes.....
Posted by Lil Rabies, Wed Mar-25-15 08:41 PM
I could say the same about B. She tried way too hard early on.
12763162, It's not like Beyonce has a beaming natural personality...
Posted by soulfunk, Wed Mar-25-15 08:43 PM
If the right machine had been behind Claudette from the beginning in terms or songwriting, artist development, label support, etc., she woulda been huge.
12763167, she had all of that.
Posted by SoWhat, Wed Mar-25-15 08:47 PM
she was w/Wyclef's vanity label and he produced most of City High's album, right?

and this was when Wyclef was still churning out hot records on the regular.
12763176, And then there's that....
Posted by ODotSoHot, Wed Mar-25-15 08:53 PM
12763195, yeah but, wycleff is a star so ultimately his shine matters more to him
Posted by R A i n, Wed Mar-25-15 09:13 PM
than anyone else he might be grooming where AS beyonce's father had one focus...BEYONCE.
12763339, she would've needed Jesus as her manager/svengali.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-26-15 06:15 AM
someone who could work miracles. and magic. and put spells on ppl.
12763410, Wyclef was a terrible manager/mentor/svengali
Posted by John Forte, Thu Mar-26-15 08:22 AM
He had a sure thing in Canibus, and bricked. Melky Sedek and all those dudes he got on soundtracks/Santana albums? All bricked. His non-Fugees track record is terrible.
12763413, oh okay.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-26-15 08:24 AM
Claudette could've had Joe Jackson, Phil Spector, Quincy Jones and Matthew Knowles managing and grooming her and she still wouldn't have been a megastar.
12764425, I like you. Despite
Posted by Lil Rabies, Thu Mar-26-15 05:03 PM
All the stuff you do
When you don a cape
I see the good
Even if you don't


And an uber lurker like myself always respects the pillars



But you can't see the "intangibles" objectively no matter how much you think you can because your preference has conditioned you away from the subtleties of the fairer race as they say
12764429, My ppl make those women you lust after.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-26-15 05:09 PM
We dress them. We make them up. We teach them to walk and dance and all of that. It's mostly us.

Claudette doesn't have star power. She is good looking but it takes more than being good looking to be a megastar. The music industry is littered with beautiful women who didn't make it as stars.
12764221, By 2002, Wyclef wasn't nearly the same. He owned 98
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Thu Mar-26-15 03:15 PM
Making my 98 mix made me realize how on top he was....Gone til November Remix, that Night Court Horse and Carriage remix, No no no, etc etc he was on fire.

But 2002, I think that's when folks had got tired of him.
12764229, great.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-26-15 03:18 PM
she could've had Berry Gordy managing her in 1968 w/Cholly Atkins doing her choreography and Holland-Dozier-Holland writing her songs and she still wouldn't be a megastar.

she ain't got it.
12764391, Yea, who knows how she woulda been with better material
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Thu Mar-26-15 04:41 PM
But "Caramel" and "What would you do" were pretty garbage. I just liked looking at her
12764393, eh.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Mar-26-15 04:43 PM
i don't think she could've made it even w/better material. but i dunno for sure, of course.
12763171, Both of y'all might be right...
Posted by ODotSoHot, Wed Mar-25-15 08:51 PM
...granted, hindsight is 20/20, but Bey just seems like she had more intangibles than Claudette. She had that indescribable 'thing'. I never saw it in Claudette. Same with Keri Hilson, Christina Milian, etc. But who knows...round '03, if Claudette had been the one to pique Jay's interest, her and Bey's trajectories could have both been wholly different.
12763390, Aaliyah had that dead-eyed look too
Posted by 8-bit, Thu Mar-26-15 08:02 AM
12763163, you wouldn't have heard of Claudette if Lauryn stayed w/the Fugees.
Posted by SoWhat, Wed Mar-25-15 08:44 PM
she was a Lauryn replacement.

and i agree she doesn't have star power. she can sing well enough but she doesn't have 'it'.
12763174, My nigga (c) Denzel
Posted by ODotSoHot, Wed Mar-25-15 08:52 PM
12763175, she's not better than any of the girls dropped from Destiny's Child
Posted by Rjcc, Wed Mar-25-15 08:52 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
12763196, very talented but, not cut out to be a star.
Posted by R A i n, Wed Mar-25-15 09:15 PM
12763250, No she looked like one.
Posted by Heinz, Wed Mar-25-15 10:28 PM
Made decisions like amateur lol also just wasn't the right time
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12763276, Aaliyah &beyonce had the dance/entertainer performance angle
Posted by Riot, Wed Mar-25-15 11:04 PM
Claudette being just vocals, her ceiling was Ashanti


And Ashanti herself was more of a breakthrough
The rest of artists in that lane didn't get much farther than Claudette

Tweet
Keyshia cole
Cassie
Teirra Marie
LaChat
Amerie


And the other 25 women u could name
12763365, Tweet became a verb and she never blew up
Posted by j., Thu Mar-26-15 07:22 AM
I know she mad as shit somewhere in the south humming away

What was her deal? she had Missy pushing her when Missy was MISSY
12763370, People didn't like the 2nd CD - that first single was a-ight
Posted by c71, Thu Mar-26-15 07:30 AM
but people were like "....eh..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5sJc4MOxT0


She probably shouldn't have named her second album "It's me again"

sort of gave the impression Tweet and Missy were coming back with some half-baked stuff.


Her situation is sort of like the industry machine politics (whatever you want to call it). As in...


Did Missy and the record label have to pay more radio DJ's off to make them play the tracks from the second album? Is that what is really required for getting an artist airplay?

Or did the public just not want to hear any more from the second album besides the first single?
12763934, The first album was excellent. The two singles off the
Posted by Teknontheou, Thu Mar-26-15 12:49 PM
first album weren't representative of the sound of the whole project, and she suffered for that. It was really a Neo Soul album.
12763944, RE: People didn't like the 2nd CD - that first single was a-ight
Posted by double 0, Thu Mar-26-15 12:56 PM
She had 1 amazing single that pierced public consciousness..

Then waited 3 years to drop another album in the thick of a sea change in music where competition was real as shit..

no "industry" anything.. just real easy explanation
12763280, Lmfao. I'm sure you think the same about the woman in your avi
Posted by micMajestic, Wed Mar-25-15 11:10 PM
Cut the bullshit, there's nothing "megastar" about her. You just enjoy looking at her.


Let my love slide in and never slip out
12763286, RE: Lmfao. I'm sure you think the same about the woman in your avi
Posted by Lil Rabies, Wed Mar-25-15 11:19 PM
Yeah that's my point. Some careers in the auto tune bad bitch era aren't about vocals but creating a package from someone visually appealing. Wasn't there a shame post not too long ago about Jazzmin Sullivan? But yeah, Claudette seemed like a lottery pick so fail-safe in terms of looks, it's hard not to assume that it was because of poor development her career never thrived.
12763332, RE: Claudette Ortiz should have been a megastar
Posted by b00g13man, Thu Mar-26-15 04:40 AM
Damn! Completely forgot about her.
12763362, Can she write for shit?
Posted by DeepAztheRoot, Thu Mar-26-15 07:20 AM
That "What would you do" was the chorus about 143 times and eight other words in the whole song.

Felt about as thick and filling as a Krystal burger
12763697, she ain't write that record.
Posted by b.Touch, Thu Mar-26-15 10:32 AM
The dudes did.
12764522, okay
Posted by DeepAztheRoot, Thu Mar-26-15 08:27 PM
I wouldn't claim it either


jokes
12763409, who?
Posted by double negative, Thu Mar-26-15 08:22 AM
12763489, Sometimes women disappear because they start families.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Thu Mar-26-15 09:03 AM

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're
12763703, RE: Sometimes women disappear because they start families.
Posted by murph71, Thu Mar-26-15 10:35 AM




^^^^^
12763890, RE: Sometimes women disappear because they start families.
Posted by double 0, Thu Mar-26-15 12:14 PM
ummm...

You never seen Making The Band huh?
12763953, or when their personal lives are too messy to handle.
Posted by BabySoulRebel, Thu Mar-26-15 12:58 PM
12763956, her music was ass (to me) but i had posters of her all over my dorm
Posted by Government Name, Thu Mar-26-15 01:00 PM
room freshman year. and by posters, i mean pages ripped out of King Magazine.
12764411, she stopped putting out for Clef
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine, Thu Mar-26-15 04:56 PM
12764526, LOL, Why?
Posted by Bombastic, Thu Mar-26-15 08:40 PM
And Aaliyah people really need to come to grips with the fact that B was already a bigger star than Baby Girl when she passed.