https://apnews.com/92c5b7f05fd6ea3b9498d3b9ab2a9506

Yall got that same energy for Hillary?

This seems mad petty, and very telling that THIS is what she comes down from the cabin for, but not all of those issues she said she believed in more than Sanders.

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...something about many of those people accusing others of being "Bernie Bros" and losing the election for Hillary.

It was all projection. Hillary and her supporters were always about THEIR agenda, and not what's best for the Democrats or the country. Now that tides have changed it seems like they are still doing the same shit, but with a changed script since no Hillary this time.

I thought the goal was to get a Dem in the white house?



Why I stay away from politics. People into that shit are mad transparent, but will stick their fingers in their ears and scream at you whenever you see right through their bullshit and they want their way, or don't get their way.

Burn 'em all.

this is a nonstory

i have no interest in her perspective on anything, nor Obama (Barack or Michelle)

its all noise.

all i know is the Supreme Court won't pick itself

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we still in the primaries though so its par for the course for the dems to fight it out

i hate the vitriol and i feel it only helps the other side tho...at the same time, she's had to bear the brunt of ALOT of bullshit for decades and i'm all for her getting a chance to fire off, vent, say some bullshit etc

stop fucking w/women

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in the primaries, especially if you consider that the ultimate goal is to get Biden in there.

With Hillary taking this angle, and Warren on Bernie so sexist, all they are trying to do is split that progressive vote. The primaries honestly is the only place that she could say this, especially right before the Iowa caucuses. She couldn't say this in the General if Bernie was the nominee.

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>in the primaries, especially if you consider that the
>ultimate goal is to get Biden in there.

who's ultimate goal? i certainly don't agree with that.


>With Hillary taking this angle, and Warren on Bernie so
>sexist, all they are trying to do is split that progressive
>vote. The primaries honestly is the only place that she could
>say this, especially right before the Iowa caucuses. She
>couldn't say this in the General if Bernie was the nominee.

exactly. we agree. let her get her shit off now lol

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>>in the primaries, especially if you consider that the
>>ultimate goal is to get Biden in there.
>
>who's ultimate goal? i certainly don't agree with that.

The Democratic Party, and their backers that don't want to see a progressive platform make it through.

>With Hillary taking this angle, and Warren on Bernie so
>>sexist, all they are trying to do is split that progressive
>>vote. The primaries honestly is the only place that she
>could
>>say this, especially right before the Iowa caucuses. She
>>couldn't say this in the General if Bernie was the nominee.
>
>exactly. we agree. let her get her shit off now lol
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Yeah, I would love for all of it to come out now and he still be the frontrunner. Just gave him another $27 to help support.

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and how everyone gets criticized.

Sick and tired of reading how 1 candidate has it worse than any other in history.

Hilldawg still mad... she needs to take a long vacation.

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you been on here almost 2 decades now and you following me from one post to another trying to prove a point.

what do you need?
to be right?
to prove me wrong?

if that will assuage your ego, then no problem. hell if i care if i'm proven right or wrong.i couldn't care less.

so here you go:

i'm wrong, stupid, an idiot and know nothing about politics. russia is irrelevant.

we good now? anything else you need me to say so you can feel right?

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>you been on here almost 2 decades now and you following me
>from one post to another trying to prove a point.

I literally have never interacted with you until now. Speaking of ego lol.



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you making jokes about it all the time won't change that.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

They've been doing that for decades (as has China, Israel - and several other countries). We do it at a far more aggressive clip than any other nation.

So I agree - what Russia did is a big deal. Where I disagree is in saying that this entire election in 2020 boils down to U.S. v. Russia (which was the claim). That kind of hyperbole isn't helpful - and I'll always push back against it.


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so why you "pushing back" in this post on some shit you already pushed back on in another post?

what you're doing is being petty. i didn't mention Russia in my reply in here,then here YOU come

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Look - I attempted to engage you on the subject in that other post - but you went full snark attack. I’m not a turn the other cheek kinda dude. -shrugs-
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it's funny. only vex can decide when it's time to be helpful or not.

anyone else who makes a joke is no longer legitimate because they're not serious, but vex lives outside those rules.

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>Look - I attempted to engage you on the subject in that other
>post - but you went full snark attack. I’m not a turn the
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hence, the fragile ego i mentioned originally. lol

well you got me back now...good for you! man, so clever, you are. you really got me good! (feel better, now?)

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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

that Trump is the worst politician of all times!

And that policies matter, but not as much making sure Trump isn't President.

And that they need to be adults and hold their nose and vote for whoever the candidate is!

I mean, that is the point of Blue No Matter Who right?

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i don't think she is being helpful. I don't like Hillary and never thought of her as a great candidate. i think you are maybe being sarcastic but yes, I do believe Trump is the worst president ever. To be clear, are you saying that you would vote for Trump over some of the Democratic candidates?

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

but I could vote for another candidate or third party again if neither of the 2 parties have a candidate that aligns with my interests. I am no longer interested in blindly voting for the people based on colors or affiliations. Plus, you're right, she's not running for President, but she has plenty of influence over her supporters, as she should. Just saying when she WAS running for President, her message was hold your nose and unify, but now since she doesn't stand to directly benefit she doesn't see that is a priority.

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It’s about weighing your options, and making a decision based on those options. At this moment, every single Dem option is better than Trump, so I will vote for whoever gets nominated. Trump is dangerous, I want him gone and I don’t think a third party vote accomplishes anything.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

on the other, her calling out someone as a career politician with low likeability is a bit rich lol

but story will be ancient history in 2 weeks. Do you, hilldawg

Considering that she ran in 2008 on her "more than 30 years of public service" as a way to say that Obama was unqualified. And that in 2016 she ran on the idea that all of the good ideas during Bill's presidency were originally hers.

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Said in the other post, she's hoping to forgo the primaries and ride into the Convention as "hero" to save us all.

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He promotes himself as the antithesis to that...the populist, working mans candidate who will bring revolutionary change to Washington

I’m surprised ppl are so dense about that criticism.. basically and directly she is saying he is baloney/a fraud and just as much a creature of Washington as Biden is

Just like when ppl pointed out that he is a millionaire lol

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isn't far off what he's been branding himself

it makes zero sense as a criticism from her regardless of his PR

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And not helpful at all. She would have waited until after the election or at least until he was out of the race

Her point about his supporters attacking women is valid and I agree he doesn’t do much to corral his rabid supporters...I expect he enjoys their vitriol a bit

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>and I
>agree he doesn’t do much to corral his rabid supporters

Like this was a criticism of Orange Soprano during the primaries, but that criticism was valid because 45* was actually saying shit like "I wish someone would punch that journalist" and other stuff to incite his nazi supporters.

You can't say the same thing for Bernie. So again, what exactly should/can he do to "corral" them ? Serious question.

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Is he running for the highest level of leadership in this country?

It’s not hard to say please stop calling my friend a snake. I appreciate your passion and support but that’s not necessary or helpful if we want to beat trump.

I mean it could be conveyed any number of ways.

U ridiculously invoke trump here where there have been countless calls for him to condemn his untoward supporters and countless times he’s declined too...same thing.

Bernie made a statement condemning zephyr’s comments about Biden...sooo

Anyway with all that being said I still have a favorable opinion overall about Sanders. And would be fine voting for him.

Bernie bros, on the other hand I find rabid and repulsive, if you are one of them I find you rabid and repulsive 😉

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Or at least (as far as I know) nobody has reported it.

She made the comments in an interview for a Hulu documentary, but there were multiple interviews going back to August.

The story is coming out now because the initial screenings of the documentary have begun. Hulu chose the timing for that, not her.

and she doubled down and said she still feels the same and stands by those comments.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2020-01-22/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-criticism-interview-hulu

But again, the reporter asked about it now because the story just broke.

Smart, qualified, but a goofball.

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are swimming around in the sewer with her loser ass.

She couldn't even win against a fascist with her hubristic bullshit... get her the fuck outta the headlines, fam

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because she's not shit, what does that say about bernie's inability to beat hillary?

obama beat hillary, pretty easily.

no one else in the race has ever lost to her.

just bernie.

if she's a loser, and he lost to her....what does that make him?

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but can never actually point to them being #neverbernie.

folks like me, blkprince, etc who are prolly the most outspoken critics of sanders and his supporters always explicitly state we will vote for sanders if he is the nominee.

this persecution complex is unhealthy.

Not sure who you’re referring to - but I (and many others) have repeatedly said that I’d vote for the eventual nominee - regardless of who it is.

What’s peculiar is that the lionshare of your posts (and many others here) are directed at tearing down Sanders at every opportunity you get. Not much to say about Pete, or Biden (whom you were once on board with), but for Sanders? All the smoke.

How about you try to advocate for you who you’d like to see be the nominee. Make an affirmative argument for why you think somebody other than Sanders should earn the nomination instead of sounding like endless record of Clintonian critique.

The endless attempts to denigrate the candidate who is emerging as the strongest option to topple Trump is beyond counter productive - and Bernie ain’t even my first choice.

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of doing something that isn't supportive of the eventual nominee


show who it is and what they're doing.

criticizing a candidate is...what the primary process is for.

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I called out Clinton because she was on record as refusing to commit to voting for Sanders should he be the nominee.

She later walked that back - as she should have.

But if you haven’t heard people attempt to disqualify Sanders as a candidate simply because he’s “not a real Democrat” - then you’re just not paying attention.

>criticizing a candidate is...what the primary process is for

Precisely - yet when there’s legitimate criticism of Warren or Biden - it’s “oh no’z the Bernie bros are being negative and mean!”

But when Sanders is dragged relentlessly it’s all of a sudden just apt criticism.

Be consistent.

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"you haven’t heard people attempt to disqualify Sanders as a candidate "

no, I haven't.

no one is disqualifying anyone.

you claimed that someone said bernie doesn't count in response to the "blue no matter who" stance.

who said that, ever? who acted like that, ever?

is it no one here on okp?

and no one anywhere?

cool.

go back tulsi.

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Flailing about the boards calling everyone “dumb” - and making zero cogent points.

But do continue the trolling - we’re here for the entertainment.
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>Not much to say about Pete, or
>Biden (whom you were once on board with), but for Sanders? All
>the smoke.

fam from now on just ask me what ive done and havent done. because you consistently get it wrong.

ive shit on pete and biden plenty. i was once on board with bernie too (conveniently left out). bernie supporters are 10x more obnoxious and destructive than the others tho. so they get called out more.

>How about you try to advocate for you who you’d like to see
>be the nominee. Make an affirmative argument for why you
>think somebody other than Sanders should earn the nomination
>instead of sounding like endless record of Clintonian
>critique.
>
>The endless attempts to denigrate the candidate who is
>emerging as the strongest option to topple Trump is beyond
>counter productive - and Bernie ain’t even my first choice.

thats rich coming from *you* of all people. youve been trashing candidates, posters, cnn hosts, liberal msnbc hosts, talent agencies, etc who dont bow to bernie.

do i need to pull up your caa conspiracy theory? lol.

You've admitted that you're one of the most vocal critics here of Sanders - so let's top pretending like you're even keel with your criticism. You're not - you go way harder to tear down Sanders than any other candidate. You also have supported Kamala, Beto, & Biden throughout this process - and have been pretty transparent in your distaste for Sanders. Let's just be honest.

>i was once on board with
>bernie too (conveniently left out).

That was 4 years ago. Since then, you've been a very loud critic of Sanders.

bernie supporters are 10x
>more obnoxious and destructive than the others tho. so they
>get called out more.

That's wholly subjective. Of course they are going to rub you wrong since you are not a supporter of Sanders and have adopted the same talking points of his most ardent detractors. He also has infinitely more passionate and committed supporters than any other candidate - which is absolutely a positive. You want a candidate with the kind of dedicated, committed, and passionate energy that Sanders supporters bring to politics. That's how you build excitement going into a general election.

Barely anyone was excited about Clinton - and that's a big reason why she lost. But I guess we should just take your advice and repeat the mistakes with a Biden nomination.

If you look at the Sanders/Warren post - there are far more instances of me complimenting Warren than you complimenting Sanders - by a wide margin. Further, I advocate for the candidates I support pretty demonstrably - while you just relish in never-ending criticism. Who are you even supporting?

And lol at referring to the CAA investigative reporting as "conspiracy" -- really rich coming from somebody who still is peddling RussiaGate lunacy ad-nauseum. They couldn't even bring an article of impeachment on anything Russia-related after 3 years of wasting tax dollars on the Mueller report - but you're still in here peddling junk conspiracy theory. Have fun with that.


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just that criticizing him is bad.



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vex doesnt care what i actually say about bernie.

just the fact i said it about bernie.

this confirms it:
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I hear the same critiques of Bernie from one of my friends who basically sends me everything you send. It’s like y’all are on an email chain like, “ok, let’s spread this out today, go!”

But I’m glad you essentially admitted that you don’t critique any of the other candidates with the same singular focus that you do for Sanders. Now we are getting somewhere.


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just watching yall from the sidelines

Still in the race and they each have supporters... according to Bernie bros it’s a two way race between Biden and sanders, oh wait I think that’s been updated to say Bernie is the clear front runner now with 27%

Anyway there is no sides here, Bernie bros just need to be corralled and controlled until the dem primary is over then they can be unleashed on trump (or vote for him, whichever suits their rabid desires) or be allowed to stew for another four years.

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at the right moment?

In the past couple of days I've seen the anti-Bernie bro contingent on here start leveling claims of 'Trumpism' at pro-Bernie posters. That's pretty out of line. Everyone uses polls that are favorable for their candidate. Everybody interprets headlines in a way that adheres to their world view. Nobody is inherently more objective than anyone else.

I feel like I'm watching people jump down eachother's throats (and getting personal) on here and a lot of it seems unwarranted.

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all converge in their criticisms of 'bernie bros'?

dont you think its weird that you polarized the entire conversation on a bernie/anti-bernie axis?

people from largely varied and diversified support bases of several different candidates are all one monolithic 'other side' to you?

And that's that Bernie has been the most predictable, and long-standing in his stances of all the candidates. The drop-outs, many of whom I liked, as well as a few remaining (like Yang who the Bernie-brothers hate), are Johnny-come-latelies and the demographic you spoke of elsewhere will fluctuate between them depending on their debate performances and campaign strategies. Who knows, maybe a well-timed hashtag will determine which candidate they favor for the moment. Many of these people are clearly going to vote blue no matter who. So we can set them aside.

Meanwhile the socialists are going to bleed for Bernie and will not accept a less-left candidate. Is it toxic? It appears to be online, apparently. Meanwhile the current economic, environmental, and societal state of the US is toxic and it's to a point you can't allow free speech for Nazis, free market reign without a middle class and investment in public infrastructure, and these ideas of liberalism continue to dominate our vision of ourselves as a country without racial and class equality.

This farce of an administration is only firing up this contingent and the reason it may look similar to MAGA is because people realize you have to fight those fuckers on their terms.



>all converge in their criticisms of 'bernie bros'?
>
>dont you think its weird that you polarized the entire
>conversation on a bernie/anti-bernie axis?
>
>people from largely varied and diversified support bases of
>several different candidates are all one monolithic 'other
>side' to you?

>In the past couple of days I've seen the anti-Bernie bro
>contingent on here start leveling claims of 'Trumpism' at
>pro-Bernie posters. That's pretty out of line. Everyone uses
>polls that are favorable for their candidate. Everybody
>interprets headlines in a way that adheres to their world
>view. Nobody is inherently more objective than anyone else.
>
>I feel like I'm watching people jump down eachother's throats
>(and getting personal) on here and a lot of it seems
>unwarranted.

I think some conflation is creeping in because folks like Reeq and Vex have been going back and forth (mostly good-naturedly from what I can tell) for years on this stuff and have a long history of exchanges and arguments to reference in order to try to suss out inconsistencies in the other. So there are the posters here and then there is the voting public. Vex doesn't stand in for all Bernie voters. Stravinsky doesn't stand in for all establishment dems. Etc. This is a problem with the internet generally. An individual or a group of mobbing individuals irks us online and we get irritated and start generalizing in ways that don't necessarily hold true out in the real world. As far as understanding and connecting with humans, text-based exchanges like okp have a lot of limitations. Lots of talking past each other. Lots of needless furious typing to address perceived wrongs/errors that would be better resolved in a face to face interaction.

>I think some conflation is creeping in because folks like Reeq
>and Vex have been going back and forth (mostly good-naturedly
>from what I can tell) for years on this stuff and have a long
>history of exchanges and arguments to reference in order to
>try to suss out inconsistencies in the other. So there are the
>posters here and then there is the voting public. Vex doesn't
>stand in for all Bernie voters. Stravinsky doesn't stand in
>for all establishment dems. Etc. This is a problem with the
>internet generally. An individual or a group of mobbing
>individuals irks us online and we get irritated and start
>generalizing in ways that don't necessarily hold true out in
>the real world. As far as understanding and connecting with
>humans, text-based exchanges like okp have a lot of
>limitations. Lots of talking past each other. Lots of needless
>furious typing to address perceived wrongs/errors that would
>be better resolved in a face to face interaction.

^all of this. I genuinely believe that if we all (well, at least most of us) were seated at a round-table, the conversations would be far more productive. This medium is a difficult one when it comes to trying to engage cooperatively - especially because there's such a tendency for people to take sides and perpetuate group-think by constantly labeling people's views as belonging to either camp A or B (and usually there are only two options lol - which is indicative of how polarized we allow ourselves to be).

What makes it really ugly is when strangers start to get personal and act like they actually know people's character in real life - simply because one may have a different political view than them.

But this is really a mirroring microcosm of larger society -- it's just a really ugly time for so many of us, and Trumpism has really put a lot of us on edge, ready to fight (and understandably so). But it would serve us all well to try and reach for some understanding and empathy instead of being so ready to slit each other's throats because we prefer a different Democratic party candidate.



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shouldn't when debating with an imagined 'other' online (myself included)

It's inevitable but it clouds the discussion.