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mista k5
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Tue Jan-14-20 11:24 AM

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"Poll question: Will you vote for the Democratic Nominee for President in 2020?"


  

          

Poll result (48 votes)
I lean progressive and will vote for any Democratic nominee (30 votes)Vote
I lean moderate and will vote for any Democratic nominee (12 votes)Vote
I lean progressive and will vote for Trump if the nominee isnt prog. (2 votes)Vote
I lean moderate and will vote for Trump if the nominee isnt mod. (2 votes)Vote
I lean progressive and will not vote/will vote 3rd pty if nominee isnt prog. (2 votes)Vote
I lean moderate and will not vote/will vote 3rd pty if nominee isnt mod. (0 votes)Vote

  

  

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Red
Jan 14th 2020
1
I won't vote for Biden
Jan 14th 2020
2
i would say any of the 12 still in it should be considered
Jan 14th 2020
3
I'd only vote for the two of them
Jan 14th 2020
4
      so you would not vote if its not sanders or warren
Jan 14th 2020
5
      I can leave parts of the ballot blank
Jan 14th 2020
6
           yeah i only meant for president, thats what the poll is about
Jan 14th 2020
7
      RE: I'd only vote for the two of them
Jan 14th 2020
8
      The Iraq thing, yes
Jan 14th 2020
10
           Americans have an awful lot of privilege when it comes to this topic
Jan 14th 2020
44
      I don't understand how this is rational. What's your reasoning?
Jan 14th 2020
9
           An election isn't going to make me happy
Jan 14th 2020
11
           isn’t that how trump got elected?
Jan 14th 2020
14
           it can make you unhappy though
Jan 14th 2020
20
           Smart dumb shit
Jan 14th 2020
24
           this doesn't make any sense to me, but it is your right
Jan 14th 2020
27
           "me"
Jan 14th 2020
30
           That's how the question was framed
Jan 14th 2020
40
                fair enough. my bad for missing how he asked the question
Jan 14th 2020
56
           Oh we´re keeping it REAL in here, cool
Jan 15th 2020
134
           its not rational, its selfish
Jan 14th 2020
21
                It's pretty much the only upside of being a DC voter
Jan 14th 2020
39
                     RE: It's pretty much the only upside of being a DC voter
Jan 14th 2020
46
                          You're going to have to walk me through your reasoning
Jan 14th 2020
47
                               You're right.
Jan 14th 2020
53
Bernie was an Iraq war supporter........
Jan 15th 2020
95
I'll vote for whatever Dem is on the ballot
Jan 14th 2020
12
Might join the repugs so I can vote against
Jan 14th 2020
13
its the Dems vs. Putin, y'all
Jan 14th 2020
15
I feel like this is the most important election of our life...
Jan 14th 2020
17
it is. its the people vs. international dictators.
Jan 14th 2020
23
good
Jan 14th 2020
28
glad to hear you say this.
Jan 14th 2020
58
What exactly are you referring to here:
Jan 14th 2020
19
      RE: What exactly are you referring to here:
Jan 14th 2020
22
           lmao
Jan 14th 2020
25
           i feel you. i laugh to keep from crying.
Jan 14th 2020
26
           yup.
Jan 14th 2020
32
           RE: What exactly are you referring to here:
Jan 14th 2020
42
           RE: What exactly are you referring to here:
Jan 15th 2020
63
                Ok cool.
Jan 15th 2020
85
           Anyone who tries to minimize Russia's actions
Jan 14th 2020
51
           n/m
Jan 14th 2020
55
           Add Bernie to the list of Russian assetts
Jan 15th 2020
97
                nice try but no.
Jan 15th 2020
108
                     Tw3nty has been pushing legit unsourced lies and misinformation here
Jan 15th 2020
109
RBG doesn't have another 4 years
Jan 14th 2020
16
THANK YOU YES THIS TOO
Jan 14th 2020
18
sad To say but true. A 6-3 conservative majority would be even more
Jan 14th 2020
37
exactly.
Jan 27th 2020
298
i like some more than others, but i will definitely vote blue
Jan 14th 2020
29
i will only do it if the ticket is bernie sanders and nina turner.
Jan 14th 2020
31
what about ja?
Jan 14th 2020
33
morant? if ja morant get on the ticket I might vote twice
Jan 14th 2020
59
      i didnt know you were mexican brother
Jan 15th 2020
82
i felt that way about Howard Schultz
Jan 14th 2020
34
Lol
Jan 14th 2020
38
what about Tulsi?? Traitor!! Fake Progressive!!
Jan 15th 2020
94
no
Jan 14th 2020
35
parties are irrelevant now. you either voting for U.S. or for Russia. pi...
Jan 14th 2020
41
Preach it.
Jan 15th 2020
70
i think russian agent narrative is overblown
Jan 21st 2020
175
smfh
Jan 14th 2020
60
Red all the way. Bernie supporters please be truthful so we can send thi...
Jan 14th 2020
36
I'll vote for whoever the nominee is -- Trump is that dangerous.
Jan 14th 2020
43
i'm shaming anyone voting for a kleptocratic dictatorship.
Jan 15th 2020
110
I'm going to keep it 10000%:
Jan 14th 2020
45
Red.
Jan 14th 2020
48
What don't you like about Buttigieg?
Jan 14th 2020
49
      He's just a random dude.
Jan 14th 2020
50
           That tracks
Jan 14th 2020
52
Cant believe this post needed to be made but the opinions r wow
Jan 14th 2020
54
yeah it seems like it should be cut and dry. wow
Jan 14th 2020
57
bernie supporters done pissed off john legend.
Jan 15th 2020
61
yep. The vex, big nicks and reactions of the world don’t help sanders
Jan 15th 2020
62
it reminds me of when they attacked civil rights legends
Jan 15th 2020
73
repulsive and rabid. And seems not much has changed with them
Jan 15th 2020
132
you're so pressed on dividing everyone into teams
Jan 15th 2020
83
      Bernie supporters like u are pretty off putting. I don’t even wanna kn...
Jan 15th 2020
131
           Have fun drowning in your generalizations.
Jan 16th 2020
142
the snakes 😂😂😂
Jan 15th 2020
64
Goodness. I’m not on social media but his fans are exploding
Jan 15th 2020
65
fuck Non Legend's alt-centrist bitch ass.
Jan 15th 2020
67
Centrist is code for "embarrassed Republican"
Jan 15th 2020
103
I mean, that IS what Warren is:
Jan 15th 2020
116
^^^^
Jan 16th 2020
137
Scrolling through those links...I'm not seeing any 'nastiness'
Jan 15th 2020
68
Yes. Trump has to go at any cost. The GOP does in general.
Jan 15th 2020
66
to add, the 'Russia' point is irrelevant.
Jan 15th 2020
69
I don't really understand how people think the Russia
Jan 15th 2020
71
theres some weird strain of russia denialism on the left.
Jan 15th 2020
74
      And who they are supporting
Jan 15th 2020
75
           true indeed.
Jan 15th 2020
76
the russia point is *extremely* relevant.
Jan 15th 2020
72
Unless Russia is hacking our election computers
Jan 15th 2020
77
If you don't know what you're talking about it's ok to just sit out.
Jan 15th 2020
78
Shut up nigga
Jan 15th 2020
99
no offense but this is an overly simplistic view
Jan 15th 2020
80
      i think people take it as an excuse for the racism in this country
Jan 15th 2020
84
      What happened with Obama?
Jan 15th 2020
98
      Both sides spend Billions on propaganda
Jan 15th 2020
96
I refuse to believe that they influence American electorate thought this...
Jan 15th 2020
79
RE: I refuse to believe that they influence American electorate thought ...
Jan 15th 2020
86
doc you know i love you but you on your glenn greenwald right now lol.
Jan 15th 2020
87
      Or it could just be that he came to that conclusion himself
Jan 15th 2020
88
      routine debate is now 'thought policing'. did you just learn that term?
Jan 15th 2020
89
           k.
Jan 15th 2020
91
      did the Russians purge voter rolls or close polling stations
Jan 15th 2020
90
           This is a great reply and a way forward for discussion
Jan 15th 2020
105
^^STANDING FUCKING OVATION^^^
Jan 15th 2020
112
America is engaged in classic projection re: Russia
Jan 15th 2020
81
and China, IMO.
Jan 15th 2020
92
Right - and vis-a-vis China - there should be far more concern
Jan 15th 2020
102
      and it's not to absolve Russia of much of the same.
Jan 15th 2020
106
           Exactly right:
Jan 15th 2020
114
uh vex thats literally not classic projection lol.
Jan 15th 2020
100
Thanks for that, Dr. Reeq.
Jan 15th 2020
101
These OKP experts will bash America for white supremacy all day
Jan 15th 2020
104
If you spent less time here
Jan 15th 2020
107
Shut up nigga
Jan 15th 2020
118
      library card?
Jan 15th 2020
121
           All you do is post weak ass insults. Do better
Jan 15th 2020
123
                You largely spout uninformed bullshit
Jan 15th 2020
124
                     K
Jan 15th 2020
125
white supremacy has been a constant for hundreds of years
Jan 15th 2020
111
Who said it went into overdrive?
Jan 15th 2020
120
      social media as a weapon in '08 and '12 <<< 2016
Jan 15th 2020
127
           I blame the White Woman
Jan 15th 2020
129
                you’re not wrong abt Hillary just not right abt Russia
Jan 15th 2020
130
I think a lot of it has to do with Partisanship as well
Jan 15th 2020
117
and Obama went everywhere in 2007, 08
Jan 15th 2020
122
i *finally* admitted biden might be our best shot?
Jan 17th 2020
161
this is lazy thinking and its sad to see.
Jan 15th 2020
113
      You literally said that this election is the Dems v. Putin
Jan 15th 2020
126
           yup. i said what i said, and backed it up with facts.
Jan 16th 2020
153
                One of your "facts" was that Putin and MBS "dapped" up
Jan 16th 2020
154
                     no need for quotes. putin and mbs literally dapped up.
Jan 17th 2020
157
                          Of course they did. Just as Trump & Jong Un dapped up
Jan 17th 2020
159
                               you mad at me because you didnt know what she was referring to?
Jan 17th 2020
160
                                    lol you didn't even read
Jan 17th 2020
163
I'll put it like this: Even if you took Russia off the table
Jan 15th 2020
119
      All I’m saying is Russia ain’t the main course on that table
Jan 15th 2020
128
      Bingo. And that's what I'm saying
Jan 16th 2020
143
      Well that's fine and all but this election is only about the Kremlin
Jan 16th 2020
144
      no one anywhere said that so you look dumb
Jan 16th 2020
149
           Glad to see you walk back the “us vs Putin!” Absolutism
Jan 16th 2020
150
                nobody? Legs said Russia is sitting at the kids table...
Jan 16th 2020
151
                Yup. They are in room but far from the biggest threat
Jan 17th 2020
156
                lol nope. you will either be voting for the the Dems or Putin.
Jan 16th 2020
152
      RE: I'll put it like this: Even if you took Russia off the table
Jan 16th 2020
148
Tbh, I don't feel like I have a choice nm
Jan 15th 2020
93
how long before history calls this Cyber War what it is?
Jan 15th 2020
115
which candidate do you agree with most? (Link)
Jan 15th 2020
133
Buttigieg 15, Kloubochar 14, Yang 14
Jan 16th 2020
135
have you even tried being a libertarian?
Jan 16th 2020
136
Yikes
Jan 16th 2020
138
Warren 15, Yang 11, Steyer 11, Klobuchar 10, Bloomberg 9
Jan 16th 2020
139
The link doesn’t work! I’m glad y’all are resourceful. That’s od...
Jan 17th 2020
155
      It didn't work for me either so I just googled it.
Jan 17th 2020
158
RE: which candidate do you agree with most? (Link)
Jan 16th 2020
140
Most agreed with Klobuchar (16), least agreed with Bernie (5)
Jan 16th 2020
141
15 Warren 14 Sanders 11 Biden
Jan 16th 2020
145
Yang (13) Biden/ Bloom (11) Sanders/ Klob (10)
Jan 16th 2020
146
RE: which candidate do you agree with most? (Link)
Jan 16th 2020
147
Biden Bloomberg (14).. Yang 13... Warren 7 ... Bernie 5
Jan 17th 2020
162
      lol
Jan 17th 2020
164
bernie with the grown man move. backs away from surrogates op-ed.
Jan 20th 2020
165
Too bad your girl Hillary is acting like a spoiled, entitled brat
Jan 21st 2020
169
you never respond to the actual point...deflect, ignore, repeat
Jan 21st 2020
173
calm down fam. the hillary news dropped way after i made that reply.
Jan 21st 2020
177
I didn’t know exactly when you posted
Jan 21st 2020
183
how does one of your supporters even feel comfortable publishing
Jan 22nd 2020
221
Let's see if he backs away from the Social Security smears.
Jan 21st 2020
189
Hillary, with more to say abt Bernie...
Jan 21st 2020
166
"What does the person who somehow lost to a fascist
Jan 21st 2020
167
lol pretty much
Jan 21st 2020
174
      RE: lol pretty much
Jan 21st 2020
184
           Of course she does. She blames everyone but herself.
Jan 21st 2020
187
Hill Dawg trying to get Trump elected again...
Jan 21st 2020
168
lol
Jan 21st 2020
170
      she is a backstabbing piece of shit
Jan 21st 2020
179
went all in. damn
Jan 21st 2020
171
I'm not a tremendously huge Bernie supporter
Jan 21st 2020
172
for sure, which is why it is extra frustrating to see the stans
Jan 21st 2020
176
its so fucking annoying and counterproductive.
Jan 21st 2020
178
      RE: its so fucking annoying and counterproductive.
Jan 21st 2020
182
the "nobody likes him" speaks so much to her disconnect
Jan 21st 2020
180
one of the blessings of the trump era.
Jan 21st 2020
181
      Yup. peeps will be all over this drama for a few days, but by Feb 1
Jan 21st 2020
186
Funniest part of this: Hillary can’t help herself
Jan 21st 2020
185
The fact that nobody who ever worked with him took him seriously
Jan 21st 2020
188
She wants to run in the general.
Jan 21st 2020
190
Oh god.
Jan 21st 2020
191
lol
Jan 21st 2020
192
I mean, i'm sure it's a fantasy of hers but she knows it wont happen
Jan 21st 2020
193
Well yea. But there's a time and a place for this retribution shit.
Jan 21st 2020
194
      if we were in say, October i'd be more bothered by her sounding off
Jan 21st 2020
195
           I'll put money on her doing this throughout the primaries.
Jan 21st 2020
197
           Yep exactly - again, hope I'm/we're wrong. But don't think we will be.
Jan 21st 2020
199
           she'll ocasionally pop up but I'm not buying this at all.
Jan 21st 2020
202
           y'all have gotta stop watching youtube and listening to podcasts
Jan 21st 2020
211
                Ha. I spend my days listening to '80s/'90s hip-hop at work
Jan 21st 2020
212
                     so where are you getting this stuff about who is on what team
Jan 21st 2020
216
           Fucking up the primary is just about the same as fucking up the general.
Jan 21st 2020
198
                There's no doubt that Hillary is trying to spoil this primary
Jan 21st 2020
201
I dream of being so dumb of a motherfucker that this is what I think
Jan 21st 2020
206
      lol calmate
Jan 21st 2020
208
      my life would be much easier, it would be perfect
Jan 21st 2020
210
      Well, gee, that's just rude.
Jan 21st 2020
213
           I'd be having a nicer day if I didn't have to watch people
Jan 21st 2020
215
Reminder: She's right - and he's not a Democrat
Jan 21st 2020
196
Yikes cats can't even think clearly when they're this mad
Jan 21st 2020
200
      So he's not a legislative leader...
Jan 21st 2020
204
      Apparently you can't read
Jan 21st 2020
205
           Your armpits smell like burnt plastic (if we going ad hominem)
Jan 22nd 2020
224
                Oop! This reply is a heater, u don’t wanna miss this. Ouch Bernie
Jan 22nd 2020
225
                again, by objective standards: he's met or exceeded expectations
Jan 23rd 2020
232
      u seem more mad than anyone
Jan 22nd 2020
220
      cute.
Jan 22nd 2020
223
      LOL he's back on the "amendment king" thing.
Jan 22nd 2020
226
impeachment proceedings have started, so
Jan 21st 2020
203
let's review:
Jan 21st 2020
207
I bet there is a huge up tic of donation to his campaign
Jan 21st 2020
209
#ILIKEBERNIE trending
Jan 21st 2020
214
hillary cleans it up. will support the nominee.
Jan 21st 2020
217
      well yeah, because she's going to run somehow and be the nominee
Jan 21st 2020
218
           Lol
Jan 22nd 2020
219
serious question: has Bernie expanded his base in the last four years?
Jan 22nd 2020
222
social security line of attack already backfiring on bernie
Jan 22nd 2020
227
btw the media and other candidates have been taking it easy on bernie.
Jan 22nd 2020
228
      oh here is bernie in *2012* blaming mass shootings on video games
Jan 22nd 2020
229
      Damn again
Jan 23rd 2020
231
      exactly. and we should all be concerned.
Jan 24th 2020
246
           The more I read from that list the worst it gets
Jan 24th 2020
278
      he sounds reasonable to me
Jan 23rd 2020
233
      LOL.
Jan 24th 2020
236
           Iowa votes in 10 days
Jan 24th 2020
239
                if "defend" means make illogical arguments that don't add up
Jan 24th 2020
268
                     good one
Jan 24th 2020
288
      I'll wait for your laundry list of critiques on the other candidates
Jan 23rd 2020
234
      Bernie is the reason Trump won tho
Jan 24th 2020
240
      i'm pretty sure i've seen him be critical of all the candidates
Jan 24th 2020
241
      yeah his bat signal only goes off when i talk about bernie or tulsi tho.
Jan 24th 2020
243
      Please link me to those
Jan 24th 2020
263
      uh thats the whole point lil buddy.
Jan 24th 2020
242
           Lol at the trumpian slights. Thanks for that, Lil Reeq.
Jan 24th 2020
261
      I don't see a problem with bringing that up, as long as you're not
Jan 23rd 2020
235
           "bringing it up" is horrifically uninformed
Jan 24th 2020
237
                shrug
Jan 24th 2020
238
      Damnnnnn Bernie is a Republican.
Jan 23rd 2020
230
      I would love to see all that addressed / explained by Bernie
Jan 24th 2020
245
           yeah id rather have them addressed now than later.
Jan 24th 2020
247
           It's an attack on moral purity that definitely looks hypocritical
Jan 24th 2020
250
                this is my main gripe with bernies base right here.
Jan 24th 2020
256
                I'm a UFC fan and I listen to JRE but I have no idea what's going
Jan 24th 2020
269
                LOL. "no idea"
Jan 24th 2020
272
                Ummm. Fuck Ja Morant?
Jan 24th 2020
276
                     k
Jan 24th 2020
287
                i dunno how much crossover there is
Jan 24th 2020
284
                     lol
Jan 24th 2020
286
                          cry
Jan 24th 2020
289
                Def not here to defend Rogan
Jan 24th 2020
290
                     Lol never heard this. pretty funny
Jan 24th 2020
291
                     yeah because you know who's not a dickhead? Cornel West
Jan 25th 2020
293
                     quick question -- is the criticism for appearing on Rogan's show
Jan 25th 2020
294
                what if it's *actually* a problem.
Jan 25th 2020
295
           not to mention...how is bernie gonna explain how medicare for all failed
Jan 24th 2020
248
           RE: I would love to see all that addressed / explained by Bernie
Jan 24th 2020
252
                That's some great background thanks for that
Jan 24th 2020
254
                so bernie was so against the 3 strikes law and mass incarceration
Jan 24th 2020
255
                     I know you know the answer to this...
Jan 24th 2020
257
                          ah so bernie couldnt bring himself to vote against
Jan 24th 2020
260
                          who gets to decide which arguments are good faith
Jan 24th 2020
271
almost 1/2 of bernie supporters wont commit to vote for another nominee.
Jan 24th 2020
244
Not much separates the other candidates
Jan 24th 2020
249
I hate to say it, but that makes a really strong case to vote for Bernie
Jan 24th 2020
251
no it doesnt. it just means his supporters are single minded zealots.
Jan 24th 2020
253
Hmm... white women pushed Trump over the finish line last election
Jan 24th 2020
259
      That's true when it comes to white women
Jan 24th 2020
262
      More fact free safe zones:
Jan 24th 2020
267
      to win the nom
Jan 24th 2020
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           yea I’m not obliged to rebuff every single post here
Jan 24th 2020
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                lol not every post but you do need to answer 228
Jan 24th 2020
282
      Are you implying Black voters are like Bernie Bro’s?
Jan 24th 2020
273
           Nah I'm saying Bernie has to beat the frontrunner to get to the general
Jan 24th 2020
280
                True, I agree 100%
Jan 24th 2020
283
      white women have been moving against trump/repubs since 2016.
Jan 24th 2020
265
           Don’t you... trust them new wiggas, over there...
Jan 24th 2020
275
                them motherfuckers voted 53% for Trump after 'Grab Em'
Jan 24th 2020
279
                     Thanks Russia!!
Jan 24th 2020
281
Twice as many people vote in general elections compared to primaries.
Jan 24th 2020
258
What is the logic
Jan 24th 2020
264
Basically. They aren’t hardcore Dems
Jan 24th 2020
277
Sanders and Yang are populists just like Trump. Trump had similar suppor...
Jan 24th 2020
266
a lot of spin and speculation here, let's look at historical fact:
Jan 24th 2020
285
bunch of immature zealots
Jan 25th 2020
292
so it turns out bernie backed the crime bill more than he claims (video)
Jan 26th 2020
296
OMG this would be so devastating to Sanders in a general election!
Jan 26th 2020
297
If they're not trolling, I have questions for the green & yellow voters.
Jan 27th 2020
299
UPDATE: I refuse Bloomberg in any scenario.
Feb 14th 2020
300
A combo of Bloomberg and a trash VP pick would REALLY stretch my...
Feb 14th 2020
301
What would a Bernie presidency actually look like...
Feb 14th 2020
302
Unless it's Bloomberg
Feb 15th 2020
303

walihorse
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1. "Red"
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I don't believe there would be any realistic scenario where I would vote for trump.

I'd take a flaming bag of turds over trump.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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Walleye
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Tue Jan-14-20 01:03 PM

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2. "I won't vote for Biden"
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Iraq war supporters are disqualified. Since we don't seem comfortable sending them to the Hague, it's the least I can do.

I would be honored to vote for Sanders or Warren. Are we counting Buttigieg as a real contender at this point? I don't know if I'd vote for him in a general election. I doubt it, but I suppose anything can happen in ten months.

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mista k5
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Tue Jan-14-20 01:08 PM

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3. "i would say any of the 12 still in it should be considered"
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Bennet
Biden
Bloomberg
Buttigieg
Delaney
Gabbard
Klobuchar
Patrick
Sanders
Steyer
Warren
Yang

are you picking trump over any of these?

  

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Walleye
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4. "I'd only vote for the two of them"
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I live in DC. I'm not picking Trump over anybody. I'm just not filling out the top of the ballot if Sanders or Warren isn't there.

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mista k5
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Tue Jan-14-20 01:13 PM

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5. "so you would not vote if its not sanders or warren"
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Walleye
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6. "I can leave parts of the ballot blank"
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I'm still gonna vote for attorney general, the city council seat for my ward, city council chairperson, shadow senate/house reps, school board, etc.

President of the United States will get a pass, unless Warren or Sanders are there.

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7. "yeah i only meant for president, thats what the poll is about"
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down ballot is its own thing

  

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8. "RE: I'd only vote for the two of them"
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>I live in DC. I'm not picking Trump over anybody. I'm just
>not filling out the top of the ballot if Sanders or Warren
>isn't there.
>


If you lived in a purple state where the electoral college votes were much more uncertain than D.C., would you still have this stance?

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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10. "The Iraq thing, yes"
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I think that anybody who acted, in their decision-making capacity, to support the Iraq War deserves to be banished from political life. The only way to have done that at the time was to be amoral or deeply, deeply stupid. And the only way to keep a viable political career since that horrifying and destructive crime is to minimize its impact and rely on our weird talent for insulating politicians from the effects of their decisions. That included Clinton in the last election and Biden in this one. Nobody who said "yes" to that at the time deserves to be taken seriously about anything important ever again.

But the rest of the field is off the hook on that, so if I were in a purple state or even a hard red one where voting for a centrist melt like Buttigieg would still feel like a "fuck you" to fascism, then I'd probably be open to voting for them. I lived in Tennessee from 2009 to summer 2012 and being a Democrat of any stripe felt pretty radical at the time.

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44. "Americans have an awful lot of privilege when it comes to this topic"
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And they can't imagine why somebody would dare not vote for somebody like Biden, likely because they don't have to face the direct consequences of the bi-partisan war machine tearing up the world.

But talk to a refugee from the MidEast (who is now a U.S. citizen) - and come with that "you better vote for Biden who enthusiastically advocated for the destruction of your country or else!" - and watch the blind privilege shine through.

Voting for the Iraq War and continuing to support mindless militarism is absolutely disqualifying, and I'm glad you're adamant about that.

But of course, you have to really make a decision when it comes to Biden or Trump as to who would be the far worse actor in the region. As bad as Biden is (and he's abysmal on foreign policy) - Trump is the far greater evil.

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9. "I don't understand how this is rational. What's your reasoning?"
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I get it. If your options are to either 1). vote for Trump or 2) vote for someone else (who is not named Sanders or Warren), you will be unhappy either way.

But is your degree of unhappiness equivalent? Would you just as upset having Trump from 2021-2025 as you would having a non-Sanders/Warren 2021-2025?

Is the reasoning strictly principled? You said you live in DC, so ultimately your vote for president isn't likely to swing things. But lets say you lived a state like Wisconsin where margins could be razor thin. Would you be more pragmatic (assuming you have an extremely strong distaste for Trump and less so for others)?

Would you encourage others to vote like you?

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11. "An election isn't going to make me happy"
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The United States, as a relationship between people, has been failing for several decades now. Just like Rome wasn't built in a day, it didn't fall in one either. An election isn't going to change the fact that whatever relationship was being described by "The United States of America" is effectively finished, but it can be a useful way of cushioning the landing so that the people who live here (citizens or not) can support each other and live more freely.

If my vote is marginalized by wherever I'm living, then I don't see any good reason to support somebody who's going to continue slapping duct-tape on the deadly project of American capitalism.

If my vote might actually mean something, then the principle of protecting the people who live here wins.

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14. "isn’t that how trump got elected?"
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There is no perfect candidate...

  

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20. "it can make you unhappy though"
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24. "Smart dumb shit"
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shut up already, damn

  

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27. "this doesn't make any sense to me, but it is your right"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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30. ""me""
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40. "That's how the question was framed"
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He asked about my happiness, and though I disagree with that fellow often - he doesn't really seem to ask questions in bad faith. So I answered it.

And, as I've said, living in DC means my vote is meaningless. I commute to Northern Virginia, so it would be a more useful political act to slap a bumper sticker on my car exhorting folks to vote for the Democratic nominee, but (and correct me if I'm wrong) I don't imagine you'd be cranky about me refusing to do that.

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56. "fair enough. my bad for missing how he asked the question "
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134. "Oh we´re keeping it REAL in here, cool"
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21. "its not rational, its selfish"
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39. "It's pretty much the only upside of being a DC voter"
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We don't have a voting representative in congress. Weed is legal but you're not allowed to buy it because a Republican congressman in Maryland thinks it's a bad idea.

But Republicans rarely break 10% in the District of Columbia, and Trump barely scraped half that. You could limit Democrat votes to "people who realistically expect to work for the next administration" and the Democratic candidate would probably still beat Trump.

So, my vote is purely symbolic. And I'm treating it that way. Honestly, I'd rather have my vote be meaningful and have to actually think about it. But it doesn't quite track to insist that I acknowledge the reality of the two party system in America but to get pissy when I point out that political reality has different practical implications from state to state. And particularly for those of us who don't live in states.

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46. "RE: It's pretty much the only upside of being a DC voter"
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being in D.C., you’re familiar with how federal jobs work right?

right before the election in 2016, i certed and was selected for a civil service position at the VA in New Orleans.

at the time i had 15 years in service and was looking to relocate to a bigger city with a more chill position so i can go ahead and retire

Trump takes office and the first thing he did was put a hold on all federal hiring. nothing specific or you know, any official direction, just a vague ass letter about what he *kinda* wanted

with no official instruction, the idiot heads of departments, in an effort to not piss him off, started canceling jobs, announcements, and, contracts. and just like that, the job i thought i had, i didnt. and the president i thought wasnt going to directly effect me, directly effected me.

just saying.

  

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47. "You're going to have to walk me through your reasoning"
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That sucks. A similar-ish thing happened to my dad during the Clinton administration.

But the electoral college doesn't treat me as an equal voter here. Trump got destroyed in the DC vote in 2016. He's going to get destroyed in the DC vote in 2020 no matter who he's running against.

My vote - which is what this poll/question was about - won't have any impact on who becomes president, and it therefore won't have any impact on the decisions (hiring included) that president make.

That's mostly shitty and I hate it. Pretty much the only upside is that I'm free to vote my conscience. So I'm going to do that.

edit: or, to put it another way, I'm not saying that the President doesn't have any effect me. I'm saying that my vote doesn't have any effect on the President.

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53. "You're right."
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peace.

  

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95. "Bernie was an Iraq war supporter........"
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12. "I'll vote for whatever Dem is on the ballot"
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Even if it's one of the two that I don't particularly like (Biden & Mayor Pete)

I live in North California, so Democratic candidate NEEDS my vote, but I'll give it to him/her anyway. I voted for both HRC and Kerry, and both of them ran shitty campaigns.

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13. "Might join the repugs so I can vote against"
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Gonna wait until the general election and vote for whatever Dem wins, most-likely.

  

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15. "its the Dems vs. Putin, y'all"
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you either vote Blue or Putin gets another 4 years to undermine not just us, but the entire world.

The seriousness of the Russian invasion of this country (and the U.K.) can not be overstated

Everyone get all your shit out during the primary, then do the right thing in November.

This is bigger than trump. He's a pawn in an international crime syndicate.

i really need folks to educate themselves.

Listen to Gaslit Nation podcast.
Read Proof of Conspiracy.
Google Lev Parnas & Dimitry Firtash.

Do any one of those 3 things.

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17. "I feel like this is the most important election of our life..."
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I intend to get the folks I know off the couch.

  

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23. "it is. its the people vs. international dictators."
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WE GOTTA WIN.

  

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28. "good"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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58. "glad to hear you say this."
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you used to scare me with some of your views on trump a while ago lol.

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19. "What exactly are you referring to here:"
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>The seriousness of the Russian invasion of this country (and
>the U.K.) can not be overstated



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22. "RE: What exactly are you referring to here:"
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>>The seriousness of the Russian invasion of this country

Donald Trump is an Russian asset. + FaceBook secretly allowed Cambridge Analytica to run a massive targeted disinformation campaign on their platform, then tried to lie about it when they got caught. These are tactics that Putin "piloted" during his invasion of Ukraine (and is still actively employing)

(and
>>the U.K.)

Brexit. see above for Kremlin disinformation tactics. Destabalizing the EU by getting the UK to leave was a huge win for Russia

Putin/Kremlin has figured out how to infiltrate and undermine sovereign superpowers without firing one weapon. There is no such thing as an ex-KGB agent. they've had a hard on for the US since the cold war.

MBS, Netanyahu, Assad and others all stand to gain from all this. The Putin/MBS dap-up told volumes

If any of this information is new to you, I sincerely suggest you catch up and research. No shade or snark at all cuz honestly we are all fucked if we don't put a stop to this in the only way we can.

the rest of the world is truly looking to us

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25. "lmao"
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shut up already, damn

  

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26. "i feel you. i laugh to keep from crying."
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32. "yup."
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42. "RE: What exactly are you referring to here:"
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>Donald Trump is an Russian asset. + FaceBook secretly allowed
>Cambridge Analytica to run a massive targeted disinformation
>campaign on their platform, then tried to lie about it when
>they got caught. These are tactics that Putin "piloted" during
>his invasion of Ukraine (and is still actively employing)

Very familiar with the Cambridge Analytica debacle. But Putin and Russia has been running disinformation campaigns for decades, as have other countries (namely China & Israel) to intervene and meddle in our elections. Alike, we have meddled in countless elections, installed authoritarian governments, and have worked to influence elections on every continent. So I think in order to have a broader conversation on this we need to acknowledge this is unfortunately what world governments do in the current paradigm.

>Putin/Kremlin has figured out how to infiltrate and undermine
>sovereign superpowers without firing one weapon. There is no
>such thing as an ex-KGB agent. they've had a hard on for the
>US since the cold war.

For sure. Russia (and Putin in particular) have become adept at cyber warfare and psychological manipulation, and their disinformation campaigns have been effective. They are certainly a problem - but I side more with Obama on this than those who are calling for a renewed Cold War and nuclear escalation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg&t=12s

Obama understood that Russia's economy is disastrous, that it's largely an isolated state, and that its containment is relatively easy to achieve in the region -- and that building up a new Cold War narrative only empowers Russia and weakens our ability to exert diplomacy and build coalitions in the region both neutralize and isolate Russia.

Also - if Trump is a "Russian agent" or whatever the hot phrase is now - then he's not a very effective one. He has gone after Russia's soft allies (Iran and China) - and despite his false claims that he was "getting out of Syria" - he has done anything but, continuing the long-standing U.S. policy of intervention in an effort to topple Assad (a Putin ally) by directly and indirectly supporting Sunni extremist militias like ISIS and Al-Qaeda.

>MBS, Netanyahu, Assad and others all stand to gain from all
>this. The Putin/MBS dap-up told volumes

What Putin/MBS relationship are you referring to? MBS is waging war in Yemen and Syria (with our backing) and seeks to obliterate Iran from the region (a nation with close business/diplomatic ties with Russia) - so I'm not sure what you're referring to with the Putin/MBS connection.


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63. "RE: What exactly are you referring to here:"
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>Very familiar with the Cambridge Analytica debacle. But Putin
>and Russia has been running disinformation campaigns for
>decades, as have other countries (namely China & Israel) to
>intervene and meddle in our elections. Alike, we have meddled
>in countless elections, installed authoritarian governments,
>and have worked to influence elections on every continent. So
>I think in order to have a broader conversation on this we
>need to acknowledge this is unfortunately what world
>governments do in the current paradigm.

saying "whatever its what they do" does not change at all the danger that we face. I don't even understand what one has to do with the other. that's like me telling you someone is one the way to kill me and i'm scared and you say "oh well he's on the way to kill a bunch of other people too and people have tried to kill him too"

just say you don't care, and it will be much quicker.


>For sure. Russia (and Putin in particular) have become adept
>at cyber warfare and psychological manipulation, and their
>disinformation campaigns have been effective. They are
>certainly a problem - but I side more with Obama on this than
>those who are calling for a renewed Cold War and nuclear
>escalation:

i'm not watching a youtube video

>Obama understood that Russia's economy is disastrous, that
>it's largely an isolated state, and that its containment is
>relatively easy to achieve in the region -- and that building
>up a new Cold War narrative only empowers Russia and weakens
>our ability to exert diplomacy and build coalitions in the
>region both neutralize and isolate Russia.

You've contradicted yourself in the space of 2 paragraphs. if it was known that Putin is adept at cyber warfare and information manipulation, than Obama thinking he can be "contained" simply by isolating their economy was extremely naive and shortsighted, in hindsight. U.S. was arrogant to take their eye off Putin's interference and focus it solely on an feather-in-the-cap Iran nuclear deal.

while we weren't "looking", Putin was able to spend years laying the groundwork here and abroad for Trump's presidency and Brexit...

>Also - if Trump is a "Russian agent" or whatever the hot
>phrase is now - then he's not a very effective one.

then you're not paying enough attention. He's been VERY effective.

After Russia attacked and annexed a part of Ukraine (and was found to have interfered in our elections), Obama's admin levied heavy sanctions on Russia diplomats and oligarchs, kicked Russia out of the G8 and committed heavily to supporting Ukraine (and any other European country that might be threatened by Russia) with free money and weapons.

Those 3 things were devastating blows to Putin and Russia. Trump's job has been to undo those things and he's accomplished alot so far.

In fact, what he's been impeached for is directly related to him trying to undermine the safety and security of Ukraine, for his own gain yes, but to also deliver for Putin. a weak Ukraine at war with Russia is ideal.

Trump has tried several times to gut the spending bill that has money set aside to help Ukraine defend itself against Russia

He's argued for Russia to be let back into the G7

He has cirucumvented diplomatic sanctions. He has closed door, unrecorded meetings with Putin and allowed Oligarchs into the oval office at key intervals

Putin's long game is undermining and controlling US foreign policy. He's patient and its starting to work


He has
>gone after Russia's soft allies (Iran and China) - and despite
>his false claims that he was "getting out of Syria" - he has
>done anything but, continuing the long-standing U.S. policy of
>intervention in an effort to topple Assad (a Putin ally) by
>directly and indirectly supporting Sunni extremist militias
>like ISIS and Al-Qaeda.

i'd argue that military leaders are doing those things more than Trump is.


>What Putin/MBS relationship are you referring to?

I was specifically referring to the way they greeted each other in person..that's why i said "dap up"

MBS is
>waging war in Yemen and Syria (with our backing) and seeks to
>obliterate Iran from the region (a nation with close
>business/diplomatic ties with Russia)

Putin doesn't have allies or practice diplomacy in any real way. He's purely self serving around whatever keeps him rich and in control. He uses chaos in other places to get access to what he needs.


  

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85. "Ok cool."
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51. "Anyone who tries to minimize Russia's actions"
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Or Trump's in regard to Russia

either:

1. Doesn't know what they are talking about.
2. Is willfully spreading disinformation.

"How you not a sell-out if a sell-out spits a rhyme and you enjoy it?"
KRS-ONE

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55. "n/m"
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"How you not a sell-out if a sell-out spits a rhyme and you enjoy it?"
KRS-ONE

"The way that you control a motherfucker that ain't don't nothing is you give them something. Then you hold it over their heads."
Patrice O'Neal

  

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97. "Add Bernie to the list of Russian assetts"
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

  

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108. "nice try but no."
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109. "Tw3nty has been pushing legit unsourced lies and misinformation here"
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When asked for sources....crickets

"How you not a sell-out if a sell-out spits a rhyme and you enjoy it?"
KRS-ONE

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16. "RBG doesn't have another 4 years"
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i swear we haven't learned shit.

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18. "THANK YOU YES THIS TOO"
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dammit even i almost forgot this shit

  

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37. "sad To say but true. A 6-3 conservative majority would be even more "
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Soul crushing than what we have now

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298. "exactly."
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29. "i like some more than others, but i will definitely vote blue"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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31. "i will only do it if the ticket is bernie sanders and nina turner."
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and susan sarandon is slated for secretary of state.

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33. "what about ja?"
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59. "morant? if ja morant get on the ticket I might vote twice"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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82. "i didnt know you were mexican brother"
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lets vote 3 times!

  

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34. "i felt that way about Howard Schultz"
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as soon as he started with that Reagan never took his jacket off in the oval office bullshit, i decided I'd rather have Trump

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38. "Lol"
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94. "what about Tulsi?? Traitor!! Fake Progressive!!"
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35. "no"
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i'm not voting for a democrat just because they're a democrat, those days are over
(ended with obama's first term for me).

  

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41. "parties are irrelevant now. you either voting for U.S. or for Russia. pi..."
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even talking about Obama or Dems or past things means the reality of the world we now live in hasn't dawned on you.

nothing is as it was. that innocence is over.

Trump is not a republican. he's not even a politician or a business man.

He is the head of a crime family. Period.

You're either voting for that, or you're not.

Maybe we can go back to being rightfully annoyed by the Democratic Party when we've survived this crisis.

  

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70. "Preach it."
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>even talking about Obama or Dems or past things means the
>reality of the world we now live in hasn't dawned on you.
>
>nothing is as it was. that innocence is over.
>
>Trump is not a republican. he's not even a politician or a
>business man.
>
>He is the head of a crime family. Period.
>
>You're either voting for that, or you're not.
>
>Maybe we can go back to being rightfully annoyed by the
>Democratic Party when we've survived this crisis.

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175. "i think russian agent narrative is overblown"
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he is pro-russia bc he had biz interests there

but his direct confrontation of Iran and China undermine that

i think Trump is much easier understood when you look at his actions holistically as PURE and UNADULTERATED self-interest and narcissm

his beef with Ukraine has nothing to do with Russia. He didn't even care about Ukraine until he was told that Ukrainian media seemed supportive of Hillary

and he'd likely blow them off just like he did NK's leader if they willingly trashed the Bidens for him

i still think it's extremely important to get him out of office but mostly bc of his ineptitude and inability to put the population's needs above his own selfish impulses

that's why the Mueller report was so hilarious bc it was basically "he tried to collude" but failed bc

he can't even collude correctly...he literally does nothing right and y'all really think he's an agent of anything other than his own ego?

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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60. "smfh"
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>i'm not voting for a democrat just because they're a
>democrat, those days are over
> (ended with obama's first term for me).

  

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36. "Red all the way. Bernie supporters please be truthful so we can send thi..."
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To the DNC lol. I don’t want anyone to be under the delusion that we arent in for a repeat of 2016

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43. "I'll vote for whoever the nominee is -- Trump is that dangerous."
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But I also think the least effective way in persuading voters to vote for the eventual nominee is to vote-shame them.

Give them an affirmative reason why they should vote for the nominee - be it SCOTUS, war, reproductive rights, health care, immigration reform (or countless other issues) -- but don't vote-shame and *demand!* that they vote how you want them to vote or else you throw them in the trash - lest you create unnecessary contempt out of a potential voter that you could've persuaded with a more even keel and substantive discussion.

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110. "i'm shaming anyone voting for a kleptocratic dictatorship. "
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45. "I'm going to keep it 10000%:"
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Obviously I am a Bernie supporter, and I feel like his platform is an important referendum on American politics, culture, and priority. If we are ok with tax cuts and perpetual war, but not the planet and a social safety net, then I'm sorry I'm kind of done on this country. There is nothing progressive about staying with a status quo that is clearly failing the majority of us.

I do honestly see this as the most important election in very recent times. I feel like Sanders has a majority, and won 22 states previously against a very popular opponent (including states that Trump won in 2016) AND there are the millions of untapped Independents, First Time Voters, and those who normally don't participate waiting for vote for him even outside the Democratic centered polls.

I also feel like if we are going to give a "Progressive" platform a shot, then let's go ALL THE WAY with the attempt, instead of doing something half-assed, and letting it fail because we elected someone who felt it was the flavor of the month, only to renege and fill their cabinet with Wall Street lobbyists.....again.

I'm at a point where I can spend my 30s and 40s and beyond fighting with and against a country where in one area I'm not a human being, and in another where if I get sick I should fuck off and die. OR I can just relocate somewhere that will have me that have already at least gotten past this argument, and participate in their economy.

So I'm all in on Sanders for the primary. If he doesn't win, my heart and head says to vote for the best candidate that reflects my interests. But at this point if people will accept a Blue no matter who and hold their nose to vote for Bloomberg or some shit, why not? In the end America will get the President that they deserve, and if the priority ISN'T revolving around the items he articulates in his plans, then this country legit may not be in my long term best interests.

*edit, btw I am not completely Bernie or bust this go round. There are a few candidates I could see being fit for President. Sanders, Warren, Yang are acceptable to me, in that order, but one is definitely different than the others.

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48. "Red. "
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If it was against anyone other than Trump, I wouldn't show up for Bernie. If he got a term as president, the scale of his failures would do permanent harm to the progressive cause.

But right now we need to staunch the bleeding, and a Bernie administration would at least work as a tourniquet.

It's maybe 50-50 if I'd show up for Mayor Pete against a normal Republican. And I'm not really taking Andrew Yang seriously enough to consider him in the question. Or Tulsi.

I'd hold my nose for Steyer or Bloomberg.

Any of the other candidates would easily get my support in any general election.

  

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49. "What don't you like about Buttigieg?"
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I've seen you mention it before and forgot to ask then. I am genuinely curious.

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50. "He's just a random dude."
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Every time I see him, I feel like I'm more qualified to be president than he is.

I'll amend my position on him, though, because that's not a good enough reason to throw away even more court appointments.

But I wouldn't be able to hide my embarrassment.

  

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52. "That tracks"
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>Every time I see him, I feel like I'm more qualified to be
>president than he is.

Cannot disagree. And that's a really disquieting feeling to have about oneself too.

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54. "Cant believe this post needed to be made but the opinions r wow"
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smh

  

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57. "yeah it seems like it should be cut and dry. wow"
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61. "bernie supporters done pissed off john legend."
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all because he committed the unforgivable sin of endorsing another candidate.

https://twitter.com/johnlegend/status/1217302635742547968
https://twitter.com/johnlegend/status/1217307861480460294

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62. "yep. The vex, big nicks and reactions of the world don’t help sanders "
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At all. They don’t care tho, they can’t even conceptualize anything but fighting tooth and nail for their messiah.

But the best bet would be for all the bros to be silent and let Nina turner or AOC do the fighting, to remind ppl that Bernie actually has female supporters....I personally don’t know a single woman who supports Bernie, I do know a few bros tho and one is just as annoying and fanatical as the ones u see online...str8 white male too...

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73. "it reminds me of when they attacked civil rights legends"
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like john lewis and dolores huerta because they endorsed hillary clinton.

its a complete cult of personality for a lot of these folks. anything that opposes saint bernard must be torn down.

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132. "repulsive and rabid. And seems not much has changed with them "
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In the 3 years under trump....too much at stake smh.

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83. "you're so pressed on dividing everyone into teams"
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"Ok, me Reeq & Stadiq vs. Bent, Vex & Walleye.....fight!"

Maybe try actually debating on the merits of the issue instead of getting caught up in snark wars?

Bernie's not even my first choice - and I've consistently complimented Warren for years (and throughout this thread which started several months ago).

Name one positive thing you've had to say about Sanders?

And the world doesn't need to be reminded that Nina Turner, AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib and scores of young women and POC stump for Bernie - like in actual real life - like not on a message board.


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131. "Bernie supporters like u are pretty off putting. I don’t even wanna kn..."
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Who ur first choice is. Bernie is my second choice of the four leaders, as I’ve previously stated I’d prefer him to Biden or mayor Pete. I will try not to hold his rabid cult against him.

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142. "Have fun drowning in your generalizations. "
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64. "the snakes 😂😂😂"
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https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1217306596155494403

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65. "Goodness. I’m not on social media but his fans are exploding "
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#neverwarren....wow. This is sad and they are mad.

Hope Bernie does when it, Warren would make a better president but we can’t have another election where a portion of the democratic electorate doesn’t vote, votes for trump or doesn’t vote for the democrat.

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67. "fuck Non Legend's alt-centrist bitch ass."
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he deserves the flaming times a million

  

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103. "Centrist is code for "embarrassed Republican""
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116. "I mean, that IS what Warren is:"
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an embarrassed Republican.
That is a verifiable fact.


That's also not entirely a bad thing. People that vote Republican, especially this motherfucker Trump, SHOULD be embarrassed. People that change parties because it's gone too far, especially one as bad as the GOP? GOOD. Shit, even C. Rich Dogg backed away from the GOP and Conservatism®. I would love to see whether Ex-Pac went at least to the "Never Trump" side of Conservatism®.

Where I differ from many of those in this space is that I don't believe "embarrassed Republicans" shouldn't be shaping policy as much as they do.

That's been basically American politics for at least.... 40 years. It's been a disaster for everyone but the rich, who have gotten insanely richer. It shouldn't be life for Americans.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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137. "^^^^"
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68. "Scrolling through those links...I'm not seeing any 'nastiness'"
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A celebrity publicly endorses a candidate for POTUS on twitter

Twitter replies contrary to the endorsement are automatically Bernie supporters...?

LOL

Warren's campaign slogan is turning into...Bernie's a meanie...LOL

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66. "Yes. Trump has to go at any cost. The GOP does in general."
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They need to be pounded into absolute extinction.

That being said, this does not mean I do not have nothing but disrespect for how the Democrats continue to show their hand.

  

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69. "to add, the 'Russia' point is irrelevant. "
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the issue is "America".

and what a Trump presidency means:
- plutocrat agenda
- more erosion of civil liberties
- more packed courts
- more war for no reason
- more bullshit culture wars

all adding up to fortifying the fascist dystopia right here in MURRICA.

Russia ain't got nothing to do with it except capitalize on it

unless your gameplan is to wait out the disintegration of society, Blue or GTFO

I'm just personally trying to take at least two of the above listed off the outcome

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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71. "I don't really understand how people think the Russia"
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issue is irrelevant. no disrespect, you're not the only one.

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74. "theres some weird strain of russia denialism on the left."
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i understand trump supporters and fox news viewers ignoring/dismissing all evidence inconvenient to their handpicked narrative.

but i still cant make sense of liberals doing it.

i can tell you what exact youtube channels they all regularly watch tho lol.

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75. "And who they are supporting"
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76. "true indeed."
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72. "the russia point is *extremely* relevant."
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theyre part of a transnational syndicate working to subvert democracy and permanently/institutionally cement authoritarian rule to uphold their interests.

russian state/intelligence/oligarchs, domestic oligarchs from various industries, psyops firms like cambridge analytica and 'israeli' psy group, fossil fuel conglomerates, white nationalist/nativist groups, conservative religious fundamentalists, rupert murdoch, etc.

all working in remarkable cohesion.

it isnt just america. its a well coordinated effort thats been successful here, the uk, brazil, philippines, india, australia, etc.

if you watch elections across the world...its literally the same playbook in mad countries. same targeted/specific rhetoric, same disinformation tactics, same pattern of shady election funding and subversion of campaign finance oversight, etc.

thats why youll consistently notice russian hackings, russian funding of right wing parties/lobbies, russian troll campaigns, etc in all of these stories.

theres a reason republicans in states like wisconsin and mitch mcconnell work hard to hobble election security and campaign watchdogs like the fec as russian dark money flows into their coffers and state pork barrel projects.

russia really is the mother brain to the rising illiberal order defining this era of politics.

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77. "Unless Russia is hacking our election computers"
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it’s not relevant.

The real problem is America still has some racist and ignorant ass people who vote against their interest.

It’s not because FB convinced them to vote this way.

People just have to vote. I’m pretty sure the D base Isuzu larger than the GOP overall folks just lazy or can’t vote due to felonies.

Then you have smart dumb people who won’t vote because they watched a YouTube video. I worked with an older Black woman who proudly said she doesn’t vote even tho she has opinions about Trump and how he’s a racist. She just churched up and simple. That ain’t Russia. That’s ignorance.

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78. "If you don't know what you're talking about it's ok to just sit out. "
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Otherwise you're just saying shit that has no basis in reality just based on homespun 'People just need to get out and vote' that betrays your utter ignorance on this subject and what's happened over the last several years.

You don't need to hack fucking voting machines if you can get people not to turn out or if you can split the vote. Or if you can fan the flames of 'her emails' or 'Biden in Ukraine!' You don't need to hack voting machines when you can hack a political party who will suppress votes, install judges, actively work for your interest and then be willing to fucking cover it all up.

Please leave that ignorant shit back in 2019, y'all.

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99. "Shut up nigga"
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shut up already, damn

  

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80. "no offense but this is an overly simplistic view"
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of an issue whose scope seems too large for you to grasp (currently).

on a 'guns dont kill people...people kill people' level.

youre basically saying propaganda aint propaganda, money aint money, espionage aint espionage, voter suppression aint voter suppression, etc. because they dont have the same direct tangible effect of simply changing/hacking actual votes.

theres a reason we have laws prohibiting/limiting these things for elections. because theyre obviously relevant enough to work lol.


>It’s not because FB convinced them to vote this way.

people spend billions of dollars on campaign messaging and political advertising during election years. for the specific purpose of convincing people to vote this way. clearly they know something you dont lol.

a man drove almost 400 miles and risked imminent incarceration or death to shoot up a restaurant in dc because of facebook posts he saw from infowars, gatewaypundit, etc about a pedophile ring conspiracy theory based on a few sentences in a hacked email about pizza.

you dont think 'fb' could influence some votes?


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84. "i think people take it as an excuse for the racism in this country"
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but no one is saying that. of course racism exists, but when you have access to a platform like facebook, have everyone's data, are experts in propaganda and perform psych ops on people, it makes a difference. I don't get how people think it is irrelevant. Russia has been doing this for a long time, they are very good at it, and now they have new tools to mess with people's heads.

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98. "What happened with Obama? "
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She blew it. Just like she blew it with Obama. Didn’t know the rules. Thought she had shit wrapped up.

This time around she didn’t focus on the states that were in play because everyone said it was easy money. No way he could win.

After 8 years of Obama folks really thought Hillary Clinton was the best option.

We’ve never had a woman president and even tho she was “qualified” she was also one of the most hated people in politics.

shut up already, damn

  

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96. "Both sides spend Billions on propaganda"
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and some dude also shot up a softball game.

Crazy people are crazy. Shit ain’t new.

As far as Trump goes... dude beat out 16 other republicans by screaming about a wall. Dude is a celeb and spot that racist shit after 8 years of Obama.. then the Dems pick Hilldawg who faints on 9/11 and ignores the rust belt and there we’re multiple reports of a shitty ground game and ignoring the request to visit Wisconsin and Michigan.

She sent Chelsea... yeah, Chelsea.

So I’m sorry but I’m not getting all scared over Russia when we live in a country where we get murdered on film and Americans still have no compassion for the victim.

We live in a country where Trump voters say “I’m on Medicare and I’m voting to get rid of Obamacare because it’s the right thing to do”

We live in a country where evangelicals say Trump is truly a Christian man.

Nah fam.. if it wasn’t Russia it would be Cuba or Nigerian scans or Iran. It’s not Russia. It’s stupid ass Americans

shut up already, damn

  

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79. "I refuse to believe that they influence American electorate thought this..."
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>theyre part of a transnational syndicate working to subvert
>democracy and permanently/institutionally cement authoritarian
>rule to uphold their interests.
>
>russian state/intelligence/oligarchs, domestic oligarchs from
>various industries, psyops firms like cambridge analytica and
>'israeli' psy group, fossil fuel conglomerates, white
>nationalist/nativist groups, conservative religious
>fundamentalists, rupert murdoch, etc.
>
>all working in remarkable cohesion.
>
>it isnt just america. its a well coordinated effort thats
>been successful here, the uk, brazil, philippines, india,
>australia, etc.
>
>if you watch elections across the world...its literally the
>same playbook in mad countries. same targeted/specific
>rhetoric, same disinformation tactics, same pattern of shady
>election funding and subversion of campaign finance oversight,
>etc.
>
>thats why youll consistently notice russian hackings, russian
>funding of right wing parties/lobbies, russian troll
>campaigns, etc in all of these stories.


At BEST they only function to exacerbate EXISTING shit.

I think there are plenty forces within all the countries mentioned that they don't NEED Russian siceage.

The establishment needs the "Russian" villain propped up to take eyes off what they are doing in plain sight.

2016 was more "Republicans cheating" than "Russians trolling" IMO.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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86. "RE: I refuse to believe that they influence American electorate thought ..."
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>At BEST they only function to exacerbate EXISTING shit.

You influence through exacerbation. I mean this is all based in an enormous mountain of fact and can be vetted. Your refusal isn't based in anything other than your own personal feelings.

>I think there are plenty forces within all the countries
>mentioned that they don't NEED Russian siceage.

This is absolutely true. Does nothing to negate the relevance of Russia's role and their success.

>
>The establishment needs the "Russian" villain propped up to
>take eyes off what they are doing in plain sight.

Yes, the people who are calling Russian's role are the ones really trying to distract from what they're doing. Not the people who are trying to establish a dynastic oligarchy with help from an outside government so they can create an establishment that is actually unstoppable and not subject to repercussions.

That doesn't even make fucking sense.

>
>2016 was more "Republicans cheating" than "Russians trolling"
>IMO.

Argue your case, let's see sources.


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87. "doc you know i love you but you on your glenn greenwald right now lol."
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'russia doesnt matter but they penetrated election related systems in many states, manafort gave them polling data, trump publicly solicited their hacking campaign, and gop candidates across the country used the info they hacked from a dnc oppo research repository against specific candidates at the state, congressional, and presidential level' is quite the narrative.

and im not sure why republican fuckery and russian fuckery need to be mutually exclusive. thats a false choice.

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88. "Or it could just be that he came to that conclusion himself"
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We ain't gotta thought police every issue like this.

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89. "routine debate is now 'thought policing'. did you just learn that term?"
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you do know where that term came from right?

cuz its the exact opposite of 2 people freely expressing their differing political opinions on a public forum.

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91. "k."
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90. "did the Russians purge voter rolls or close polling stations"
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or ratchet up the requirements for voting, effectively reinstituting the poll tax?

Because THAT is more relevant to the electoral situation IMO. This actually cost Stacey Abrams the governorship in GA.

In Milwaukee alone, the GOP-led, deliberate purging cost enough votes in areas that would have flipped Wisconsin for Clinton in 2016.


Unlike Greenwald, I don't go so far to deny that the Russians are involved. Because they are.

Like Greenwald, I am skeptical that the Russian involvement is significant enough for to shoulder as much as the blame as is suggested.

GOP forces in key states were at work keeping people from voting. This has been the case since at least 2009, when Obama fucked around and flipped states that modern Democrats are not "supposed to win".

Ever since that, it's been a game of making it harder for likely Democratic voters to vote.

Russians can cheat code all they want and spread all kinds of disinformation. Unless they can prove that all those votes they glitched were intended for Democratic candidates...

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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105. "This is a great reply and a way forward for discussion"
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I will get back to it

Let me just be clear, I am in no way downplaying the very real, significant, and sustained campaign to suppress votes on the part of Americans. Nor am I in anyway downplaying America's past and very present racism, racial violence, class war.

America is still America and I know what America is, was and will be. I have no illusions about that.

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112. "^^STANDING FUCKING OVATION^^^"
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NOTHING is just about America anymore. NOTHING

you broke that shit down perfectly.

all facts and anyone who won't accept it is hella naive.

this is the world order.

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81. "America is engaged in classic projection re: Russia"
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We project onto Russia everything we don't like about ourselves, namely:

*That our institutions are corrupt
*That we meddle and actively tilt electoral outcomes in sovereign nations
*That racism, bigotry & prejudice still plagues our society and persists at the highest levels of business & government.
*That we have an oligarchical, corporate elite controlling our financial & political institutions
*That we act militarily to capitalize on regional instability to further our hegemony, not to redress global inequity and crises

etc...

Of course, Russia is a horrible actor on the world stage in many ways (in some instances, far worse than us) - but we can always point to "RuSsiA!!!" to take attention away from the cancers rotting our own system, projecting our own societal failures onto them in an effort to somehow draw contrasts to show us to be the "good" side of this false dichotomy, Cold War, dual super-power narrative that still dominates the American psyche.

  

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92. "and China, IMO."
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but they don't go -too- hard at China, because of how they keep the global wheel of capitalism well-greased.

Russia... not so much.

  

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102. "Right - and vis-a-vis China - there should be far more concern"
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China is actively engaged in ethic cleansing, concentration camps, mass surveillance and weaponizing A.I. to subvert its people, and has used the planet as its trash-can as it expands its hegemony. It also engages in the exact same kind of cyber warfare and meddling election as Russia (probably even more effectively) - and China boasts a real threat - both militarily and economically - to counter American dominance in geo-political affairs. They are picking off nation after nation - individually (including many EU members and LatAm regions) - slowly acquiring influence as we waste trillions on failed wars and do irreparable damage to our standing world-wide.

Yet you'd think Russia was the Third Reich reincarnated with how some of these people call it.

RUSSSSSIA OMG RUSSSSSIAAA!

Maddow has essentially spent 3 years pushing RussiaGate conspiracy theory. There are actually other things happening that we should be (more) concerned with.

>but they don't go -too- hard at China, because of how they
>keep the global wheel of capitalism well-greased.
>
>Russia... not so much.

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106. "and it's not to absolve Russia of much of the same."
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Because Russia is an oil-rich oligarchy with social conservative political dominance and the surveillance state all in the mix as well. (Like MURRICA)


>Maddow has essentially spent 3 years pushing RussiaGate
>conspiracy theory. There are actually other things happening
>that we should be (more) concerned with.

but unless there is PROOF that Russians funded and inserted Donald Trump as a candidate to upset the cart... it's BULLSHIT.

All I can figure is that Donald Trump (like many other on paper billionaires, esp. huckster types like himself) had improper business deals and money stashed the world over (they really haven't gone far enough in on Deutsche Bank's dealings with 45). Including Russia.

But do we have Donald Trump and all of his incestuous rich nigga problems because of the Russians? Nah.

Are Russians telling Trump to start a war with Iran? Nope.

But you can bet that all this chaos is something they can manipulate. How much I care about that really has to do with how much can be proven they are ACTUALLY responsible for this current situation.

I just don't see the real evidence to support that.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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114. "Exactly right:"
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>but unless there is PROOF that Russians funded and inserted
>Donald Trump as a candidate to upset the cart... it's
>BULLSHIT.

We spent *years* trying to prove this. Dems spent all of their political capital on the Mueller Report for 3 whole years (let's not even talk about the irony of placing your faith in Robert Mueller).

Turns out, Russia did what they (and China, and Israel, and many other nations including us) do: seek to influence elections with propaganda.

>Are Russians telling Trump to start a war with Iran? Nope.

Not only that, but we're supposed to believe that Trump and Putin are BFFs and in lockstep on everything apparently - despite the fact that we have the same exact policy in this administration as we did in all the previous administrations re: Russia - strike its allies in the region (Syria/Iran) and weaken Russia's influence and trade partnerships.

Trump is corrupt; Putin is corrupt. But they ain't banding together to take down America. Trump is attempting to achieve that all by his self.

But our media is complicit in all of this - never reporting facts or putting historical context into its "news"

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100. "uh vex thats literally not classic projection lol."
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youre just catapulting all kinds of randomly misused phraseology on to the round table today huh? lol.

you 'project' traits from yourself on to people who dont possess them (like you project a movie on to a blank screen) .

if im a cheater and i accuse you of cheating even tho you never cheated...thats projection.

if i catch you cheating and call you a cheater...even tho im a cheater too...thats not projecting. thats an observation lol.

you admit russia is guilty of what we accuse them of. its just that 'we do it too'.

theres a term (thats actually correct lol) for what youre engaging in.

its whataboutism. im sure youve heard of it. the weaponization of 'both sides'.

the goal is to rationalize/normalize/minimize behavior by convincing people that 'they/everyone else does it too'. so the hypocrisy discredits/invalidates the accusation/criticism altogether/entirely.

your reply was a textbook example. you couldnt draw it up any better.

ironically enough it was popularized by russia/soviet union as a signature tactic to normalize their transgressions and atrocities.

and here we are...still going strong...


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101. "Thanks for that, Dr. Reeq."
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104. "These OKP experts will bash America for white supremacy all day"
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yet won’t admit that could be the main reason a white male beat the most hated woman in politics after 8 years of Obama?

and reeq and them still shocked at Biden’s polling numbers and he finally admitted Biden might be our best shot

But Russia is our most serious problem?

Nah.. Americans in “flyover country” are the most serious problem.



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107. "If you spent less time here "
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you might have more to offer than your basic ass takes on everything

But it's 'smarty art niggas' and 'okay experts' fault. We're the ones who don't get it

First month of Audible is free my nigga

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118. "Shut up nigga"
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shut up already, damn

  

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121. "library card?"
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"How you not a sell-out if a sell-out spits a rhyme and you enjoy it?"
KRS-ONE

"The way that you control a motherfucker that ain't don't nothing is you give them something. Then you hold it over their heads."
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123. "All you do is post weak ass insults. Do better "
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shut up already, damn

  

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124. "You largely spout uninformed bullshit"
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so guess we're in a bit of a pickle

"How you not a sell-out if a sell-out spits a rhyme and you enjoy it?"
KRS-ONE

"The way that you control a motherfucker that ain't don't nothing is you give them something. Then you hold it over their heads."
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125. "K"
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shut up already, damn

  

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111. "white supremacy has been a constant for hundreds of years"
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within Americas voting system.

if that same white supremacy couldnt beat Obama in 2 terms, why in the fuck do people like you think white supremacy support went into overdrive to stop Hilary?

its such a LAZY conclusion. something you’d expect to hear spoken as fact in your local barbershop from the resident Youtube scholar.

THINK McFly, its wasnt the constant, it was the variables in the equation.

60 mil voted for McCain
61 mil voted for Romney
63 mil voted for Trump

where the fuck is this influx of white supremacy voters?

that same 63 mil or less will vote for Trump again, its us that didnt show up

  

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120. "Who said it went into overdrive? "
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How can you ask where White Supremacy was when Obama won but not ask where Russia was when Obama won?

I wasn’t even saying White Supremacy was the sole reason Hillary lost but you really think after 8 years of Obama we could trot out Hillary Clinton and White dudes and their loyal ass wives wouldn’t go into overdrive?

Do you guys know how hard it is for one party to win 3 straight terms in American politics?

and yes.. we didn’t show out? Why didn’t we come out? Cause of Russia? FOH.

We didn’t show up because Hillary doesn’t inspire us.

and remember, she only lost by a few votes in the rust belt where she didn’t hit the ground hard the last month.

shut up already, damn

  

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127. "social media as a weapon in '08 and '12 <<< 2016"
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especially when you factor in a culture that gets their news from social media and thinks the real news is boring.

>and yes.. we didn’t show out? Why didn’t we come out? Cause of Russia? FOH.

- thats right, voter fatigue, caused by Russia, perpetuated by Hilary.

  

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129. "I blame the White Woman"
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not Russia.

Dude said grab em and they still voted for him over Hilldawg.

shut up already, damn

  

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130. "you’re not wrong abt Hillary just not right abt Russia"
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117. "I think a lot of it has to do with Partisanship as well"
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The obsession with Russia is largely because of what happened with the DNC leaks that exposed just how corrupt and biased the DNC was in administrating the 2016 primary. Everyone who participated in that cardinal sin has been or is being hunted down (see: Julian Assange).

Prior to that - Obama was barely even focused on Russia because he knew what it actually is: a broken economy and isolated state that has been readily contained decade after decade since the Cold War by thwarting its soft allies and keeping sanctions/economic pressure in order.

In fact, Dems weren't even talking about Russia like this until 2016. It was Republicans who kept calling Obama "weak" for not war-mongering with Putin. Oh how the roles have changed.

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122. "and Obama went everywhere in 2007, 08"
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Hillary thought she had shit wrapped up early. Didn’t go hard down the stretch.

Back on here when I used to go at people about her chances I kept reminded people how much Americans despise her. That shit is real.

and Trump, while an asshole he beat out established candidates in the GOP screaming about a wall.

It’s politics 101. People on here don’t want to admit that we live in a shitty ass country when it comes to politics.

Someone posted a photo of a gerrymandered district in NC. Shit was unreal. GOP always plays dirty and blame Russia if you want to but it’s politics as usual that lost that race.

It’s the reason people on here still can’t believe Biden is polling well. Trapped in that progressive bubble.

shut up already, damn

  

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161. "i *finally* admitted biden might be our best shot?"
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not too long ago folks on here were calling me a biden shill for saying biden had the best shot.

i made this post way back in 2007.
https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13211439&mesg_id=13211439

i was gonna ask where the fuck have *you* been but nigga you were in there lol.

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113. "this is lazy thinking and its sad to see."
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it's not mutually exclusive.

BOTH THINGS ARE TRUE

Putin/Kremlin have taken our own abject corruption and is using it to their advantage and the Republican party are all the way the fuck in.

That's it. There's no deflection or misdirection. Why is that so hard to understand?

It's not about a fantasy/movie boogieman.

This shit is real and its global and we are now a willing part of it, via Trump.

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126. "You literally said that this election is the Dems v. Putin"
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and are calling other people's thinking "lazy".

Ok.

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153. "yup. i said what i said, and backed it up with facts."
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154. "One of your "facts" was that Putin and MBS "dapped" up"
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Which clearly shows that you're not quite clear on the regional alliances at play (both soft & hard alliances).

Putin has been pushing back Saudi proxies in Syria for years and has backed Assad while MBS has sought to usurp Assad; Russia has aligned itself with Iran (both militarily & economically) - Saudi Arabia's sworn arch rival in the region - yet you're talking about Putin and MBS like they're besties and poised to create some super secretive pact to take over the world.

Your "facts" all over the place.

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157. "no need for quotes. putin and mbs literally dapped up."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZUCld-u0yc

it was a pretty pivotal moment at the g20 and got a lot of coverage.

shes right. if this stuff is new to you then you should catch up and research. no snark.

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159. "Of course they did. Just as Trump & Jong Un dapped up"
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I heard they also followed each other on Twitter.

Just as Jinping and Trump dapped up.

But please keep citing photo opps as your "evidence" of what constitutes an alliance and/or coordinated geo-strategic effort.

I'm still lit off of your ridiculous attempt to define what "projection" means - so please - do continue.

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160. "you mad at me because you didnt know what she was referring to?"
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its clear (to anyone paying attention to politics post 2016) she was talking about that specific event.

lol @ that loud and wrong interpretation of 'dapped up' you typed out.

its ok to say you fucked up fam.

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163. "lol you didn't even read "
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nobody's disputing that they dapped up, my guy.

Enjoy.


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119. "I'll put it like this: Even if you took Russia off the table"
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...there's still more than enough reasons to say, "Blue or GTFO."

No one should "need" Russia as a reason to vote Democrat in 2020.

>and what a Trump presidency means:
>- plutocrat agenda
>- more erosion of civil liberties
>- more packed courts
>- more war for no reason
>- more bullshit culture wars

^^^A Republican president going for a second term would represent all of these things, even if Russia had been bombed back into the stone age.

The GOP represented ALL of these things before they started worshiping Putin.

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128. "All I’m saying is Russia ain’t the main course on that table"
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they are at the kids table

I honestly don’t know if any of these candidates can rally enough support.

Getting Trump out should be enough but you got people who over think this shit.

shut up already, damn

  

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143. "Bingo. And that's what I'm saying"
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The GOP agenda absent Russia is reason enough to vote for Dems.

  

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144. "Well that's fine and all but this election is only about the Kremlin"
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CNN is clearly a Russian psy-ops masquerading as American media. Just look at their divisive attempts to tear about Democrats on the debate stage. Exactly what Trump (oops, I mean Putin) wanted!

I urge everyone to look in their basements and get ready for the resurgence of the Great Red Scare. There might be a Russian agent hiding under your water boiler - or in your laptop - or in your MIND.

Notice how the articles of impeachment didn't include anything about Russia. It's because all members of Congress are in on the Soviet fix. You thought it was just Bernie & Tulsi who were Russian assets? Think again.

If we're not talking about Russia then we're all asleep sheep falling into Trump's hands. Don't fall for it!

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149. "no one anywhere said that so you look dumb"
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i don't get why you're going so hard against the facts as they are, but knock yourself out.

All the shit is in play at once. a long history of american fuckery got some international villians in the mix.

*shrug*

I don't need to be right or to argue with any of you about what is true.

all i know is that i'm using my limited power to do things to help fix it...and i hope everyone else does the same.

that's it...nothing is more important than the question of "so what are you doing about it"

"the people" need a win.

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150. "Glad to see you walk back the “us vs Putin!” Absolutism "
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Nobody here is saying that Russia isn’t a threat - but no need to make this out to some existential SuperPower struggle. Nobody loves that comparison more than Russia, who is struggling for relevance on the world stage.

>nothing is more important than the question of "so
>what are you doing about it"
>
>"the people" need a win.

For sure. All hands on deck.


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151. "nobody? Legs said Russia is sitting at the kids table..."
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156. "Yup. They are in room but far from the biggest threat "
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If Dem voters pick the best candidate we won’t have a problem beating Trump.

IMO the best chance to win is Biden even tho he isn’t my favorite.

shut up already, damn

  

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152. "lol nope. you will either be voting for the the Dems or Putin."
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i said what i said.

so now what?

you calling it absolutism don't make me no nevermind.

the call to action is now the thing.

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148. "RE: I'll put it like this: Even if you took Russia off the table"
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>...there's still more than enough reasons to say, "Blue or
>GTFO."
>
>No one should "need" Russia as a reason to vote Democrat in
>2020.
>
>>and what a Trump presidency means:
>>- plutocrat agenda
>>- more erosion of civil liberties
>>- more packed courts
>>- more war for no reason
>>- more bullshit culture wars
>
>^^^A Republican president going for a second term would
>represent all of these things, even if Russia had been bombed
>back into the stone age.
>
>The GOP represented ALL of these things before they started
>worshiping Putin.

exactly, which is what has been exploited.

shit was already fucked and now its worse. Its all relevant. Period.

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93. "Tbh, I don't feel like I have a choice nm"
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115. "how long before history calls this Cyber War what it is?"
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such cringe in the comments above in denial about the effects of Russia, China, North Korea, and whoever else is actively targeting our country through troll farms

i wanna say im shocked at the ones in denial about it, but im kinda not

  

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133. "which candidate do you agree with most? (Link)"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/quiz-which-candidate-agrees-with-me/

My top three were warren (10/20), yang (10/20) and Steyer (10/20)

Wbu?

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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135. "Buttigieg 15, Kloubochar 14, Yang 14"
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Steyer 14, Biden 12, Bloomberg 12, Warren 10, Gabbard 9, Sanders 5

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136. "have you even tried being a libertarian?"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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138. "Yikes"
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139. "Warren 15, Yang 11, Steyer 11, Klobuchar 10, Bloomberg 9"
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Buttigieg 9, Sanders 8, Biden 7, Gabbard 6

its not so black and white though. some questions have answers that i would agree with all options. or i might have chosen a middle answer but would be okay/good with going bigger. still interesting, at least to see what the candidates that you are not familiar with support.

also, the link didnt work for me but i searched for quiz and it showed up as a result. the link looked to be identical so i dont know whats up with that.

  

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155. "The link doesn’t work! I’m glad y’all are resourceful. That’s od..."
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158. "It didn't work for me either so I just googled it."
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And the URL was exactly the same, and worked. Weird.

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140. "RE: which candidate do you agree with most? (Link)"
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Warren
14

Sanders
13

Yang
10

Steyer
9

Buttigieg
6

Klobuchar
6

Gabbard
6

Biden
4

Bloomberg
4

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141. "Most agreed with Klobuchar (16), least agreed with Bernie (5)"
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Klobuchar - 16 (the other 4 were actually unknown, so not necessarily disagreement)
Biden - 14
Bloomberg - 14
Yang - 14
Steyer - 14
Buttigieg - 13
Warren - 9
Gabbard - 8
Bernie - 5

  

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145. "15 Warren 14 Sanders 11 Biden "
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I'm good with that

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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146. "Yang (13) Biden/ Bloom (11) Sanders/ Klob (10)"
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Butt/ Steyer (9)

Warren (8)

Gabbard (7)

im not anti-business so Yang will score high with me

  

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147. "RE: which candidate do you agree with most? (Link)"
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Warren
16

Sanders
13

Steyer
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Yang
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Klobuchar
8

Buttigieg
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162. "Biden Bloomberg (14).. Yang 13... Warren 7 ... Bernie 5"
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I guess I like the idea of Bernie more than his actual policies.

I’ve always said Biden has the best shot but didn’t think I agreed with him that much.

I’m old and grumpy tho... never been much of a progressive when it comes to politics besides cancelling student debt.

shut up already, damn

  

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164. "lol"
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>I guess I like the idea of Bernie more than his actual
>policies.
>

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165. "bernie with the grown man move. backs away from surrogates op-ed."
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https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1219455944976928768
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Joe Biden gets a Bernie Sanders apology for @ZephyrTeachout op-ed:

"It is absolutely not my view that Joe is corrupt in any way. And I'm sorry that that op-ed appeared"

https://t.co/nfWdfLKSVe
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here is the op-ed in question written by his surrogate zephyr teachout (amplified/promoted on social media by his speechwriter david sirota):
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/20/joe-biden-corruption-donald-trump

the zealots in bernies base are on twitter pissed at him backing down over anything...but it was absolutely the right thing to do. people in the broader party are generally turned off by shit like that (which is why dem congressional 'anti-establishment/insurgent' primary campaigns largely fell flat in 2018 and afterwards (hi nomiki konst).


heres bernies press secretary going into some elaborate word salad to kinda distance themselves from the op-ed but still give it credence and not delegitimize it.
https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1219361934035890179


i feel bad for bernie cuz he has the absolute worst set of surrogates. zephyr teachout was brought on as a high powered surrogate to give the campaign a spark (despite losing literally every election shes run for at every level of government in ny). and only about a week or two into her position...and the campaign already has to throw her under the bus and disavow her work/tactics.

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169. "Too bad your girl Hillary is acting like a spoiled, entitled brat "
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No call for her to apologize?

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173. "you never respond to the actual point...deflect, ignore, repeat"
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Hillary isn't Reeq's girl and you know this.


Yeah, its fuck Hillary all day. She needs to go away.


But its also fuck the bros who appear more eager to burn it all down than compromise an inch.


If Trump is re-elected its as much on the bros as anyone.

  

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177. "calm down fam. the hillary news dropped way after i made that reply."
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and the 2 are entirely separate matters.

ive regularly made my feelings known on hillary doing shit like this

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183. "I didn’t know exactly when you posted "
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But these stories dropped within a day or two of each other so of course I found it peculiar that you would ignore the Hillary nonsense - but clearly you’re not.

(And I was joking about her being your girl. Relax lol)
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221. "how does one of your supporters even feel comfortable publishing"
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Something like that. Basically in ur name

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189. "Let's see if he backs away from the Social Security smears."
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/20/opinion/biden-sanders-social-security.html

Bernie has a history of this. Some surrogate makes flat-out lies. They sink in with his supporters and other low-info voters. Bernie hems and haws about how "everybody has a lot of supporters and *I* didn't say any of that," and then a week and half later he distances himself after the damage has been done. The only person who does this tactic better is Trump.

  

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166. "Hillary, with more to say abt Bernie..."
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/21/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-documentary/index.html

  

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167. ""What does the person who somehow lost to a fascist"
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... w/a rotting brain think of all this ?" I often find myself wondering.

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174. "lol pretty much"
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What's funny?

She beat Bernie! She won. She's a sore...winner? So is Trump, of course.


Was John Kerry this involved/opinionated on the 08 primary? I honestly don't remember.


  

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184. "RE: lol pretty much"
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>
>What's funny?
>
>She beat Bernie! She won. She's a sore...winner? So is
>Trump, of course.


Out of curiosity, did she or does she blame Saunders somehow for her losing to Trump four years ago? Not to say I do myself; I'm just trying to understand why she seems to hold so much vitriol for the dude in 2020.

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187. "Of course she does. She blames everyone but herself."
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>Out of curiosity, did she or does she blame Saunders somehow
>for her losing to Trump four years ago? Not to say I do
>myself; I'm just trying to understand why she seems to hold so
>much vitriol for the dude in 2020.

It's especially weird because he put aside the bullshit and platformed hard for her bitch ass.

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168. "Hill Dawg trying to get Trump elected again..."
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170. "lol"
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179. "she is a backstabbing piece of shit"
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..Hillary told the world she stayed in the '08 race against Obama because Obama might get assassinated like RFK did. Hillary did 12 campaign events for Obama after she conceded. Bernie did 40 for Hillary.

  

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171. "went all in. damn"
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172. "I'm not a tremendously huge Bernie supporter"
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but I do wonder if the DNC still has folks that back Hilary Clinton that agree with her and will work to try to hurt Saunders' chances at winning the nomination. That did occur four years ago, correct? Hopefully that won't occur again.

Regarding this story, Hilary is perfectly allowed to have her opinion, but it's a shame she decided to throw this much shade since she's aware folks still hold her opinion with some level of import. Will be interesting to see how Bernie will respond since he will be asked about the matter.

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176. "for sure, which is why it is extra frustrating to see the stans"
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burn every other option at the stake.


Even if you are a passionate Bernie supporter, you have to at least consider the possibility that it is going to be *extra* difficult for him to win the nom.

To win the delegate game, etc. Because he isn't a Democrat. Because the party is probably full of Clintonians still (sigh).

I'm not saying it isn't fucked up- but its true.

So, knowing that Warren is probably a much more appealing choice to delegates, etc....why not be strategic about the "movement" and direct all of the ire at Biden or Pete?

Instead, its been months of "copycat! fake! she didn't shake his hand!" etc.

Calling for her to drop out, but not Yang or Tulsi. Etc.


They've helped tear Warren down, let Yang and Tulsi cook, and we are probably looking at a Biden/Klobuchar ticket.





  

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178. "its so fucking annoying and counterproductive."
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every time she drops a book, speaking tour, major interview etc...shes always drumming up controversy with some shit that inflames divisions in the party.

and you know the media is ready to amplify it and profit off the reaction.

ive defended her against some of the treatment that shes gotten in the past. but i legit just want her to go away now.

i dont understand why dems in general cant get their shit together and focus on the task at hand without taking 2 steps back every chance they get. a bunch of birds flying solo without regard for the structural integrity of the larger party. just constant bitching, sniping, and alienating other parts of the big tent.

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182. "RE: its so fucking annoying and counterproductive."
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>every time she drops a book, speaking tour, major interview
>etc...shes always drumming up controversy with some shit that
>inflames divisions in the party.
>
>and you know the media is ready to amplify it and profit off
>the reaction.
>
>ive defended her against some of the treatment that shes
>gotten in the past. but i legit just want her to go away
>now.
>
>i dont understand why dems in general cant get their shit
>together and focus on the task at hand without taking 2 steps
>back every chance they get. a bunch of birds flying solo
>without regard for the structural integrity of the larger
>party. just constant bitching, sniping, and alienating other
>parts of the big tent.

You typed all of that with the presumption that Hilary cares about the Democratic party and/or the 2020 election, which may or may not be true. She gave the quote to serve the interest of her Hulu special, which I think speaks to a larger issue at hand; her overarching sense of entitlement. Rather than try to think of the larger picture at hand regarding the election, she would rather give potentially divisive comments to serve her (and only her) best interests.

Hopefully the comment will only get the 15 minutes of attention it deserves, specially since the impeachment is going down this week.

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180. "the "nobody likes him" speaks so much to her disconnect"
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aside from her of all people talking about likeability being hilarious, I'm sure in her circles among establishment dems no one can stand Bernie and they see him as an annoyance who doesn't get it. But she has little connection to actual humans, its always been an issue for her.

Shes not necessarily wrong about Bernie bros, and yeah all of this is counter productive but it will go away soon enough

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181. "one of the blessings of the trump era."
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>and yeah all of
>this is counter productive but it will go away soon enough

every time dems do some dumb ass shit...it brings me a lil comfort knowing nobody will remember it next week lol.

in an alternate reality that doesnt include trump...the press is still peppering candidate elizabeth warren with questions about her heritage and dna test rollout.

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186. "Yup. peeps will be all over this drama for a few days, but by Feb 1"
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this story will feel like something out of 2017 lol

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185. "Funniest part of this: Hillary can’t help herself "
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Remember when Clinton and her proxies endlessly cried about Russian meddling in the ‘16 primary by saying that there was an effort to fracture democratic unity by sowing division among the electorate?

These “bots” were said to be instrumental in convincing voters to not support the eventual nominee - and were deployed to smear and tarnish the front-runner in an effort to get Trump elected.

Stein? Russian asset, according to Clinton. Tulsi? Her too. Sanders? Yep. You guessed it.
Anyone who got in her way? Yup. Putin pawns.

Welp. Looks like Hillary Clinton is the ultimate Russian asset - playing right into their playbook (according to her and her holdovers).

Indeed - for Chelyabinsk Clinton - and many Establishment power wielders - the notion of a Sanders nomination is more unacceptable than a second Trump term. And that’s precisely why Clinton came out today and refused to commit to voting for Sanders should he be the eventual nominee.

Let that sink in for a minute.

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188. "The fact that nobody who ever worked with him took him seriously"
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is just an established fact. If Howard Dean took him seriously, he could have endorsed him. If Pat Leahy took him seriously, he could have endorsed him. If Liz Warren took him seriously, she could have endorsed him. The people who knew Bernie best ignored him the same way they'd ignored Dennis Kucinich in past races.

More important, did Bernie really WANT Pat Leahy and Howard Dean's endorsements?

This is what Bernie was running on! This (the fact that nobody took him seriously) is how he was able to present himself as a revolutionary even though he was a career politician and a sitting US Senator. He wasn't trying to run on his record, he wasn't trying to run on all the bills he'd had signed into law. He ran as a revolutionary (and, for whatever reason, he still hasn't drummed up a revolution, or even an electoral coalition).

As for whether she'd support him, come on. Of course she'd support him if he was the nominee. I doubt he'd want her to be making any appearances. But she'd be at his disposal as Democrats always are for the nominee. She's just being coy right now to remind whatever adults remain in the party that he doesn't deserve to be taken seriously as a candidate now, just like he didn't deserve it then.

  

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190. "She wants to run in the general."
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I'm guessing that she hoping that someone is going to start a "Draft Hilary!" campaign and is envisioning riding into the DNC Convention on a white horse.

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191. "Oh god."
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192. "lol"
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193. "I mean, i'm sure it's a fantasy of hers but she knows it wont happen"
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she'll never get over that L and it's somewhat understandable.

at the same time berniebros still aren't over losing to her (they go on about the dnc even more than she goes on about Russia). and it's kinda weird the way Trump still obsesses over her and bernie bros still obsess over her but any time she lashes out back it's fuck you and sit the fuck down, lady lol

I'm not necessarily taking her side, but in some ways I'm like, fuck it. speak your mind.

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194. "Well yea. But there's a time and a place for this retribution shit."
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>I'm not necessarily taking her side, but in some ways I'm
>like, fuck it. speak your mind.

December 2020, specifically. You lost to a braindead nazi because you were lazy and stupid. Sit it out, idiot.

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195. "if we were in say, October i'd be more bothered by her sounding off"
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and more in your camp on this. but hardly anyone will remember this in 2 weeks (if that).

let her get it out of her system. if we're post election and she drops this people are still gonna tell her to fuck off and go away, win or loss lol.

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197. "I'll put money on her doing this throughout the primaries."
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I'll also guarantee that he team is currently gassing her up and telling her that she should take another shot at it. Especially if it looks like no one is looking particularly strong coming out of the primaries.

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199. "Yep exactly - again, hope I'm/we're wrong. But don't think we will be."
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>RE: I'll put money on her doing this throughout the primaries.
>I'll also guarantee that he team is currently gassing her up
>and telling her that she should take another shot at it.
>Especially if it looks like no one is looking particularly
>strong coming out of the primaries.

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202. "she'll ocasionally pop up but I'm not buying this at all."
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every time she pops up, or speaks out there's some story from some so called insider that shes considering throwing her hat in the ring. I doubt there's any movement on any scale to make this a reality that exists outside of her own fantasy or of the people who just kinda enjoy shitting on her

>I'll also guarantee that he team is currently gassing her up
>and telling her that she should take another shot at it.
>Especially if it looks like no one is looking particularly
>strong coming out of the primaries.

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211. "y'all have gotta stop watching youtube and listening to podcasts"
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I'm fucking begging you. please. go for a walk with no airpods in.

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212. "Ha. I spend my days listening to '80s/'90s hip-hop at work"
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Only things on YouTube I watch are sports related or old clips of Parks and Rec.

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216. "so where are you getting this stuff about who is on what team"
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and what they're telling someone.

cuz...does it take a team to realize that she doesn't like dude?

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198. "Fucking up the primary is just about the same as fucking up the general."
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Iowa caucuses just around the corner. This strikes me as strategic and as a sign of more to come as head down the stretch to November.

Hope you're right, hope I'm wrong. But I don't think this was a coincidence.

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201. "There's no doubt that Hillary is trying to spoil this primary"
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but in actuality, she may be helping Sanders.

Remember: Clinton has record unfavorables. She's projecting mightily by claiming that "nobody likes" Sanders. In actuality, voters *really* don't like Clinton, and this will only generate sympathy for Sanders and prove him and his supporters correct with regards to their claims that she has a vendetta for him.

Voters don't like this kind of grandstanding and lack of personal accountability. She has never taken an ounce of responsibility for getting beaten by Trump - in what was one of the biggest upsets in Presidential electoral history. She ain't convincing anyone with this drama.
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206. "I dream of being so dumb of a motherfucker that this is what I think"
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208. "lol calmate"
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210. "my life would be much easier, it would be perfect"
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213. "Well, gee, that's just rude."
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215. "I'd be having a nicer day if I didn't have to watch people"
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do the same shit over and over again.


also it's monday on a holiday weekend. but otherwise good

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196. "Reminder: She's right - and he's not a Democrat"
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1)She says Bernie is a career politician: She's right - he's been in government for nearly 40 years. NOW - I happen to like career politicians - same way I like career physicians.

2)She's right about people not liking him in congress - at least by her metric: amount of legislation proposed and apssed.

“He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him. He got nothing done,”

So I get that *if you like Bernie* you'll want to make her out to be a cold heartened butt hurt lady. But she's right on his legislative record.

And when she goes onto say "“I will say, however, that it’s not only him, it’s the culture around him. It’s his leadership team. It’s his prominent supporters. It’s his online Bernie Bros and their relentless attacks on lots of his competitors, particularly the women."

So attack her mercilessly and PROVE HER RIGHT!!!

Remember this about Hillary: When Obama beat her she switched modes and FULLY supported him - to the point where he appointed her a Secretary of State!

Bernie most certainly did not do that for her in 2016.

and Bernie is not a Democrat - unless it benefits him.



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200. "Yikes cats can't even think clearly when they're this mad"
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>1)She says Bernie is a career politician: She's right - he's
>been in government for nearly 40 years.

Interesting that she didn't say that about Biden, or better yet - her husband. Clearly, her issue with Sanders isn't that he's a "career politician" - it's just another cheap jab.

>2)She's right about people not liking him in congress - at
>least by her metric: amount of legislation proposed and
>apssed.
>
>“He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support
>him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him. He got
>nothing done,”

lol yea this doesn't carry water either. But don't listen to me - refer to Politifact:

"Bernie Sanders is often criticized for "pie-in-the-sky" proposals and impractical ideals, but his campaign argues the Vermont senator actually gets things done.

Sanders served in the House of Representatives from 1991 to 2006 and has been in the Senate since then. Republicans were in control of the House from 1995 to 2007 and of the Senate from 2015 to present.

In 2005, Rolling Stone named Sanders the "amendment king" of the House. At the time, the title held true: Out of 419 amendments Sanders sponsored over his 25 years in Congress, 90 passed, 21 of them by roll call votes.

From 1995 to 2007, Sanders passed 17 amendments by a recorded roll call vote — more than any other member in the House.

Bernie Sanders passed more roll call amendments in a Republican Congress than any other member.

That’s a very specific way of slicing and dicing Sanders’ effectiveness as a lawmaker, but it’s accurate. From 1995 to 2007, when Republicans controlled Congress, Sanders passed the most roll call amendments (17) out of anyone in the House of Representatives.

In the current Congress, Sanders ranks fourth when it comes to the number of career roll call amendments passed, according GovTrack founder, Josh Tauberer.

Source: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/24/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-was-roll-call-amendment-king-1995-2/

That certainly doesn't sound like someone who "nobody likes" in Congress. Clearly, his colleagues collaborated with him (at record numbers) in an effort to get quite a few things done.

So yea - maybe we could start by not saying dumb stuff that lacks merit.



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204. "So he's not a legislative leader..."
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But he DOES suggest changes that pass about twice a year.

Again, Bernies always playing the outsider - when dude's been an insider for nearly 40 years. Biden, Clinton, Warren AREN'T trying to play that card - that's why she didn't bring it up about them.

But:
Let' face - she don't like him because he was a fucking bitch in 2016 - crying about treated unfairly then being MILQUETOAST when it came time to support the nominee.


I don't like him because he's not effective and HE'S NOT A DEMOCRAT.

For the record:I'll vote for him if he's the nominee - but I'll never trust his supporters after 2016.

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205. "Apparently you can't read"
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From the PolitFact I just linked for you:

Volden and Vanderbilt University’s Alan Wiseman assess the legislative effectiveness of House members by comparing their records to a benchmark. According to this analysis, Sanders has either met or exceeded expectations during his tenure in the House.

Far cry from the "he gets nothing done" lamentations from you and Clinton.

>But:
>Let' face - she don't like him because he was a fucking bitch
>in 2016 - crying about treated unfairly then being MILQUETOAST
>when it came time to support the nominee.

ahhh there it is - nothing like pure hatred to expose your lack of objectivity. "He's a fucking bitch" - yea that's deep.

Listening to you - you would think that Clinton was cheated out of the 2016 Primary. Thankfully, we have facts that have established the contrary: Sanders was cheated. Despite that, he stumped for Clinton 40 times! It was Clinton who thanked him for his "relentless campaign support" in 2016:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwr6QuCKOGI

I know you're probably lathered up in a fact-free safe zone - but it's gonna be ok.


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224. "Your armpits smell like burnt plastic (if we going ad hominem) "
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Here's a link to the 3 Bills that Bernie introduced and that were enacted by direct signing over 39 years:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=300008#sponsor=412542&enacted_ex=on

Your boy has BIG ideas but can't work with anyone to get his major ideas - because he's not very good at legislating.

39 years and 394 bills introduced - and 3 passed. 2 were post Office namings. (Note:I'm sure the slits below also contain inconsequential bills that other people introduced.)

That's less than 1%. And he's not a giant co-sponor of groundbreaking legislation either.


Here's a link to the 28 Bills that Biden introduced and that were enacted by direct signing over 39 years (including 2 pretty bad ones at least):
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=300008#current_status[]=28


Here's a link to the 3 Bills that Booker introduced and that were enacted in 7 years:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=300008#sponsor=412598¤t_status[]=28

Here's a link to the 14 Bills that Klobachar introduced and that were enacted in 13 years:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=300008#sponsor=412242¤t_status[]=28


Only Warren has less - but in 7 years vs 39, here's a link to the 1 bill she introduced that was enacted:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=300008#sponsor=412542¤t_status[]=28

To sum up: He gets you wet - but he doesn't come through.







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225. "Oop! This reply is a heater, u don’t wanna miss this. Ouch Bernie "
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Y’all think Obama was stonewalled! Smh. It doesn’t hurt to try tho.

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232. "again, by objective standards: he's met or exceeded expectations"
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as it pertains to his legislative record (as evidenced by my above reply).

We could go on for days with the link wars - but let's not waste our time.

You despise Sanders so you'll find data to fit your narrative. Alike, I support Sanders so I'll find data to support my argument.

But the notion that "none of his colleagues like him" is erroneous. You don't pass the amount of amendments that he's passed without finding common ground with peers.

Further, one's legislative record is just one facet of leadership. His vote against the Iraq war bodies the entire field in terms of foresight and courage under fire. That's the kind of vision and leadership that is so badly missing at the top of our body politic.


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220. "u seem more mad than anyone "
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223. "cute. "
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226. "LOL he's back on the "amendment king" thing. "
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Maybe Bernie's campaign slogan should be "Change You Can Occasionally Sneak in Small Quantities into Unrelated Bills."

  

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203. "impeachment proceedings have started, so"
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of course everyone is focused on...what hillary clinton is doing!

good job everybody, you're super smart and good looking and can't be easily distracted at all.

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207. "let's review:"
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1. won the primary against Bernie
2. Bernie holds 30+ campaign events for Hillary, particularly in states she neglected
3. lost the (electoral college rigged) election to the worst GOP candidate since George W. Bush, whose last job was a reality TV show host
4. is mad at Bernie years later

rich coming from a person who counted Harvey Weinstein and Jeff Epstein as "friends"

  

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209. "I bet there is a huge up tic of donation to his campaign "
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If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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214. "#ILIKEBERNIE trending"
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217. "hillary cleans it up. will support the nominee."
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https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1219773503735508992

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218. "well yeah, because she's going to run somehow and be the nominee"
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duh

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222. "serious question: has Bernie expanded his base in the last four years?"
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He’s unquestionably a true contender for the nom...but he was in 2016 too. Im wondering with years to promote himself since then and virtually universal name ID, why he doesn’t have stronger support than 25 percent. Of course the same can be said for Biden but we all know his flaws are numerous.

In really curious to see how February plays out

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227. "social security line of attack already backfiring on bernie"
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https://twitter.com/KaivanShroff/status/1220114487988060171
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@BernieSanders called for “adjustments” to Social Security in 1996, a term that his campaign insists was a “euphemism” for cuts when it was used by Biden. More hypocrisy.

https://t.co/jTcdIfdDjT?amp=1
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this is why you shouldnt play purity police. cuz eventually you fall below your own standard.

not to mention the fact that bernies campaign is disingenuously categorizing bidens calls for "freezes" as "cuts". thats some republican shit right there.

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228. "btw the media and other candidates have been taking it easy on bernie."
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bernie supporters complain about the media shadowbanning him from coverage in some instances (legit criticism imo...they leave him out of the convo when they shouldnt).

but what the media is *not* doing is vetting bernies past political history the same way theyve vetted biden and warren.

and candidates arent attacking him the same way he/his campaign attack them on their past.

like...

- voted to protect the nra death lobby from lawsuits.
- voted against brady bill (gun background check and waiting period) 5 times
- voted against amber alerts
- voted against chip (child health insurance program)
- voted for indefinite detention of immigrants
- voted for measure supporting anti-immigrant minutemen militia
- pushed trumpian rhetoric that immigrants take jobs and burden/threaten our social safety net
- voted to dump toxic waste (from a company his wife was on the board of) in the backyard of a latino community.
- sanders institute funneling donations into the pockets of family members and loyalists (something they accused clinton of doing)
- endorsed/campaigned for an anti-abortion mayoral candidate in 2017 while roe v wade is under threat from trump supreme court justices (he double down on this when questioned too)
- voted against closing gitmo
- voted against russian sanctions after they attacked our elections
- said black people are locked up more often for drug crimes because most drug dealers are black


thats just off top. im sure theres more that would come to light if dug into (like the social security 'adjustment').

plenty of times bernie didnt live up to his own standard that he holds *everybody else* to. and nobody is really calling it out.

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229. "oh here is bernie in *2012* blaming mass shootings on video games"
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and movies.

https://streamable.com/leib8


dude has done an amazing job of creating a brand identity as the perfect progressive because nobody really paid attention to him until 2015 and beyond.

but hes clearly like most other 'career politician' with the same vulnerabilities and questionable activity that doesnt withstand scrutiny under his current political persona.

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Lurkmode
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231. "Damn again"
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>and movies.
>
>https://streamable.com/leib8
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>
>dude has done an amazing job of creating a brand identity as
>the perfect progressive because nobody really paid attention
>to him until 2015 and beyond.
>
>but hes clearly like most other 'career politician' with the
>same vulnerabilities and questionable activity that doesnt
>withstand scrutiny under his current political persona.

He's not going to get that pass in the general if he wins the nom.

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Reeq
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246. "exactly. and we should all be concerned."
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>He's not going to get that pass in the general if he wins the
>nom.

youd rather things get exposed and defended in the primary then let loose in the general. we could be putting forth a soft/sheltered and largely untested candidate.

like what happens to latino voters when they find out he wanted to dump toxic waste in their backyard? or when bernie-bro-skeptical women find out bernie threw his political weight behind a pro-abortion politician while they were agonizing about the future of roe v wade?

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Lurkmode
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278. "The more I read from that list the worst it gets"
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>youd rather things get exposed and defended in the primary
>then let loose in the general. we could be putting forth a
>soft/sheltered and largely untested candidate.


Exactly

>like what happens to latino voters when they find out he
>wanted to dump toxic waste in their backyard? or when
>bernie-bro-skeptical women find out bernie threw his political
>weight behind a pro-abortion politician while they were
>agonizing about the future of roe v wade?

When I read that I was thinking wtf.

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fif
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233. "he sounds reasonable to me"
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what do you find questionable? what did he say that was un-progressive? Sounds like he was giving a three-pronged answer, the video removes the context but even at the end of the cherry-picked clip he says "certainly guns are an important part of what has to be done".

also, that was 2012. in 2011, Anders Breivik killed 77 people in Norway:

"Breivik's manifesto included writings detailing how he played video games such as World of Warcraft to relax, and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 for "training-simulation". He told a court in April 2012 that he trained for shooting using a holographic device while playing Call of Duty. He claimed it helped him gain target acquisition."



  

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236. "LOL."
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so you blame world of warcraft for dude shooting those people?

you don't have to do everything in the world to protect bernie.

he probably also drove a car and ate ice cream.

did those cause him to shoot those people? *millions of people* have played call of duty

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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fif
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239. "Iowa votes in 10 days"
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Time to pick a candidate. Why not defend the candidate I want to see win?

As for inside the mind of a mass shooter: who knows? What ultimately "causes" any behavior isnt easy to pin down. Doesn't help when guns are easy to get. But is it possible that video games might be a contributing factor? Of course it's possible. Breivik himself claimed they helped him murder. He was clearly playing Call of Duty while thinking about killing real people. Less likely to think that way playing fifa

  

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Rjcc
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268. "if "defend" means make illogical arguments that don't add up"
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then I can't really stop you from doing it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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288. "good one "
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you are a very negative person.

  

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234. "I'll wait for your laundry list of critiques on the other candidates"
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You could literally do this to every candidate running - but yet again - you choose to solely focus on Sanders.

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240. "Bernie is the reason Trump won tho"
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Pretty sure that’s what drives most of this hate in 2020.

shut up already, damn

  

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241. "i'm pretty sure i've seen him be critical of all the candidates"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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Reeq
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243. "yeah his bat signal only goes off when i talk about bernie or tulsi tho."
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Vex_id
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263. "Please link me to those "
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I’d love to see these same laundry lists for Warren, Kamala, Pete & Biden.

Haven’t seen them - but doesn’t mean they aren’t there in the vaults. I’m legitimately asking to see them as I’d like to read them. So please direct me to those critiques.
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Reeq
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242. "uh thats the whole point lil buddy. "
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it has literally been done for every other candidate. they all have a laundry list of critiques (constantly launched/highlighted by the sanders campaign).

yet nobody is attacking bernie on the laundry list of past inconsistencies that i pointed out.

you think repubs arent waiting with a stockpile of oppo research on sanders (who hasnt been put through the ringer in either of the past 2 primaries)?

the whole point of the primary is to make sure the candidate we put forth in the general is battle tested right?

shouldnt we be kicking sanders tires?

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Vex_id
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261. "Lol at the trumpian slights. Thanks for that, Lil Reeq. "
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>it has literally been done for every other candidate. they
>all have a laundry list of critiques (constantly
>launched/highlighted by the sanders campaign).

Again - check your post count here and see how many times you (at least try to) critique Sanders vs other candidates. Vast disparity in your analysis.

Not sure why you’re trying to act like you’re just trying to vet and do oppo research - you’re clearly making the case that you think Sanders is the weakest candidate of the top tier (which is hilarious given the egregious pass you’ve given Biden).

And that’s perfectly fine if that’s your stance. Just own it and be real and stop trying to feign objectivity.

>you think repubs arent waiting with a stockpile of oppo
>research on sanders (who hasnt been put through the ringer in
>either of the past 2 primaries)?

Lol yea ok. He’s only been cheated out of a primary and smeared as wholly unelectable, a do-nothing Soviet-style socialist, and posited as some craven creature who nobody likes. It’s not as if he isn’t the continual target of corporate media smears (albeit ineffective ones). Such a cake walk for Sanders.

You’re in here just throwing links at the wall thinking it sticks. You don’t think the Clinton machine (who smeared Obama as a *Muslim* of questionable character) didn’t do everything they can to denigrate Sanders? They are still doing it - it’s just not sticking.

For somebody who spends an awful lot of time on politics - you seemingly haven’t learned anything from 2016. These purity tests don’t work. Donald F’ing Trump is President - a candidate so corrupt that you could fill a museum with negative oppo research on him.

Yet you’re in here really making the case that Sanders - who has essentially been who he is for a half century - is somehow not going to survive a general election in *this* political climate.

Yikes.



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235. "I don't see a problem with bringing that up, as long as you're not"
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specifically doing it as a means to deflect from any kind of gun control legislation. I know he's not the most anti gun candidate but I think he has a D nra rating

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237. ""bringing it up" is horrifically uninformed"
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you can just say bernie's not perfect and hasn't thought through every s