Ten couples. Four black dudes. (Self included) one black woman (my wife). Gotta admit to feeling a bit funny about that.
I'm not even against interracial dating or marriage. But in dc? Where you got a plurarlity black options? That's silly.
And I know this is my biases and my prejudices coming into play. I'm aware of that. It irrationally feels personal. There's so many black men that won't give black women the time of day, and that's disheartening. And to get to THAT part of the human experience and be like "this is the one I'm rolling with".
I say this as a person that dated anyone of any body type and race that was around. As long as they were good people I was good with that. But that was in different cities with significantly different demographics and culture than DC.
And logically I know I shouldn't care. I KNOW that each persons relationship is their own and not mine, and each person is entitled to be an individual. Logically I know all of this. But something just felt off the whole experience.
I don't know. I can't call it.
------ “There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus
1. "why does interracial relationship = not giving black women time of day? " In response to Reply # 0
i didn't marry a black women or any other type of women because I met my wife
nothing more nothing less i actually resisted dating her at first because she was not black but then i understood how silly it is was to not be with a person because they didnt fit what i thought i should be with
at the same time black love is very important....just did'nt end up that way for me
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Navem nu, cuando sol Tutu nu, vondo nos nu Vita em, no continous non Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen
When the sun shades the ship We sweat and life is not safe To swim or to touch not When we unite we hedge amen
3. "RE: why does interracial relationship = not giving black women time of d..." In response to Reply # 1
It doesn't
>but then i understood how silly it is was to not be with a >person because they didnt fit what i thought i should be with
And this is exactly how it should be. People weren't meant to be alone and if one finds happiness they should (in all healthy cases) should pursue that happiness to the end.
But logically knowing that, I can't help my visceral feeling from last night. I can't help the visceral feeling I get in DC on how often we end up being the only black couple when we go somewhere. Be it a museum party, or many concerts, I just don't see many black couples outside of "black" spaces or rather I don't see many black couples in mixed spaces. And in a birthing class where in a country where black mothers are dying at higher rates than anyone else, to see Black men escorting white women through that process hit me outside of my brain.
------ “There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80093 posts
Wed Sep-06-17 09:06 AM
6. "bruh.. I went to my boys wedding in DC" In response to Reply # 3
We grew up together in the burbs.
He was marrying a Black woman.
He graduated from Pitt and had a little crew of DC friends he went to school with who were at the wedding. ALL his friends married white women.
My wife was looking around and said "damn, Pittsburgh dudes love some white women"
I was like "nah... all THESE dudes are from DC!!!"
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80093 posts
Wed Sep-06-17 09:31 AM
14. "you made the post tho... lol" In response to Reply # 12
don't stop now!
I know these dudes tho... hotep ass college niggas. i was surprised but not really..
One dude didn't make it to the wedding but my wife met him at another wedding for a friend of ours and she really liked his vibe. They were joking his relationship woes and why he is still single.
My wife asked who they were talking about and when I told her she was like "I see why he didn't show up"
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15. "RE: you made the post tho... lol" In response to Reply # 14 Wed Sep-06-17 09:38 AM by MEAT
But I also wrote this
"And I know this is my biases and my prejudices coming into play. I'm aware of that. It irrationally feels personal. There's so many black men that won't give black women the time of day, and that's disheartening. And to get to THAT part of the human experience and be like "this is the one I'm rolling with". "
And it's one thing to date and even marry. But when you bring a kid into the world, you and that person's lives are FOREVER intertwined.
Plus you said them folks were from DC but moved away, they move back?
Additionally, I didn't see the wives you were talking about. The women last night, not cute to unremarkable.
I'm just not reflexively against interracial relationships. I'm just a bit offput to see that dynamic in quasi segregated DC.
------ “There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80093 posts
Wed Sep-06-17 09:45 AM
22. "they went to college at PITT but they were from DC" In response to Reply # 15
and my boy is from the Burbs outside Pittsburgh and when he met them in college and went to DC he was hooked. It's all he talked about. He loved DC because of the blackness and all the women.
I was shocked myself to see all of them with white wives. I was like DAMN, these dudes really went all the way in.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80093 posts
Wed Sep-06-17 07:45 AM
2. "Congrats and I feel you playa" In response to Reply # 0
There was one other Black couple in our birthing class and they were young as shit. She cussed him out for coming in late one time.
At reading time at the large public library downtown there was prolly 5 mixed couples.. Black women with white dudes.
One dude dapped me up and loudly said "It's so good to see a strong Black family together"
I love seeing Black families together so I get where you are coming from.
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5. "RE: Congrats and I feel you playa" In response to Reply # 2 Wed Sep-06-17 09:00 AM by MEAT
>At reading time at the large public library downtown there was >prolly 5 mixed couples.. Black women with white dudes.
And I think I'm a way I'd be more ok with that dynamic. Because outside of maybe two black women I've met in my entire life, they'll usually give black men a chance. That the ones I've talked to, love black people and black continuity in a way that I get mentally but don't feel. I don't recall too many black women that don't love blackness. But I've heard from, about, and met a number of black men that just want nothing to do with black women.
------ “There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80093 posts
Wed Sep-06-17 09:23 AM
11. "nah, those women exist too" In response to Reply # 5
and my wife feels some type of way when she is in spaces with Black women with mixed kids who don't want to socialize.
Those women tend to stick together, especially when they see me and my wife. The women won't even look or speak to me. The husbands speak but the wives tend to have a "don't make eye contact" vibe.
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21. "Nothing to do with Black women? Why" In response to Reply # 5
Is it culture, attractiveness, money stress?
I'd really like to know. At first I thought it was about beauty. But when I saw how these white girls looked, I realize, this has nothing to do with attractiveness.
I think it is also about feeling like the lead of a household, secure and supported.
Maybe white women make better wives than black women under the nuclear family construct. The nuclear family is more suited to white families. I think black families are more matriarchal with aunts, sisters, extended and that might stress black men.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80093 posts
Wed Sep-06-17 09:53 AM
28. "Thanksgiving is my favorite Holiday.. ain't no fucking way" In response to Reply # 21
I was going over to a white families house to eat some flavorless turkey and shitty mac n cheese.
not sure if the stress level is less.
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**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
7. "RE: a lotta transplants here. " In response to Reply # 4
>Where are y'all taking your birthing class? Shady Grove
And on transplants here's what I tried to explain to a friends last night:
"I think part of it is coming from Texas and spending so much of dating life and social life as the odd man out. To get here and see people to choose that life rather than be part of the larger community is weird. It's like they have no sense of what DC has historically been for black people and black culture of how they have the ability to contribute to that."
I lived here very briefly in the 80s with my grandparents. Fell in love with the Hoyas, wanted to go to Georgetown just to meet Big John. DC in my life has always held a black mythos the way Brooklyn used to or Chicago can be or how Atlanta became. That mythos is part of the reason I moved here. It's never been just another city, it's always been DC.
------ “There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus
47. "But that's just it though...ain't like black folks stopped having babies..." In response to Reply # 25
I think his expectations are very reasonable. If he said he was in VA doing classes that'd be different. But Shady Grove serves a pretty broad region with a grip of b/Black folks.
>So that answers our questions. > >NE has a clinic. > >SW does not have a hospital. > >SE DC's only hospital closed is obstetrics. > >This answers our questions about black families and birthing >options in DC.
43. "Yeah, nowadays you really gotta be out in PG or down SE to feel envelope..." In response to Reply # 7
by blackness. A stark contrast to even 20 years ago. I remember being around here in the 90's and it was the total opposite.... Seeing non-blacks outside of upper NW DC was an oddity.
Just wait until y'all start doing daycare (if you do).....your head might explode fam.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80093 posts
Wed Sep-06-17 09:19 AM
9. "hmm, I think this is part of MEAT's frustration" In response to Reply # 8
When you finally see a few Black dudes who are up on it they are with white women.
iont know tho, maybe we shrug at birthing classes or see it as a waste of money.
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24. "empirical data from who and where lol? i would expect exactly what " In response to Reply # 10 Wed Sep-06-17 09:50 AM by ambient1
you found in a birthing class in DC lol
yt people and niggas who get down wit em
I ain't knockin you for doin your kiddie class thing but in general when/where are WE doin this in multitudes? that's what ma, grandma, and aunts are for
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80093 posts
Wed Sep-06-17 01:08 PM
71. "We did the natural birthing class" In response to Reply # 65
funny thing is after you have the baby they have a little reunion. Damn near all the women ended up getting the epidural or having a c section.
We had an emergency c section and some how she was able to have a vback for the second baby.
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16. "Self Hate, Social Mobility, Fear of Black Children" In response to Reply # 0 Wed Sep-06-17 09:37 AM by Mori
As a single black mother who sees my black male friends wife up "AVERAGE Looking" white women on a regular basis. I notice that these men are intelligent, middle class and want to blend in with larger society.
Being married to black woman is a revolutionary act. Raising a black family is a revolutionary act.
The black men who marry white women in the upwardly mobile black circles also have some degree of self hate. They don't want to have children that will be identified as black. They like the way whiteness, no matter how attractive, makes them feel and appear.
They definitely find biracial children more appealing attractive.
Argue me down on this one, but many black men have self hat that is FAR worse than what black women have.
Yes, those black men will happily walk Becky to the pregnancy office because he has conquered something, the white woman. He wants the world to know. Not hte same thrill with a black woman.
29. "It is very painful. I have dated Black/ White/ Latino men" In response to Reply # 18
I definitely have felt that the black men in my life were reluctant to marry me or want to start a family. Only one, my child's father, was eager to start a family but he was not supportive at all once I became pregnant and I had to beg him to come help me in the hospital.
Other black men have asked for abortions, plan B etc if we had a pregnancy scare. So internally, I've felt that black men I've dated are really fearful of procreating with me (a black woman).
Of the white men I've dated, two proposed, two who were interested in starting a family were usually older, on the second families and financially secure.
I've dated two Latino men who by far were the most balanced. They valued family no matter how much money they have.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80093 posts
Wed Sep-06-17 10:01 AM
33. "ever consider you chose the wrong dudes? " In response to Reply # 29
just wondering.
cause I dated lite skin and dark skinned Black women and it didn't work out but I didn't view all Black women based off their actions.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80093 posts
Wed Sep-06-17 10:14 AM
42. "smh... not like this" In response to Reply # 37
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20. "this last line is mind-boggling..." In response to Reply # 16
I cannot believe there are adult, black men who view it this way. Conquered? I dismiss white woman hollers almost on the daily. WTF! > >Yes, those black men will happily walk Becky to the pregnancy >office because he has conquered something, the white woman. He >wants the world to know. Not hte same thrill with a black >woman. > >
...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft
23. "Choosing a White Woman" In response to Reply # 20
Represents choosing a completely different lifestyle, access to certain environments and treatment. Especially in DC, where class, biracial identities and education drive so much of how people move, get jobs and are treated.
Some black men don't want to be average. They want to be admired and respected, if it means being with a white woman, they will do it. I don't think it is all about love. I think the security of whiteness opens them up for more love.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80093 posts
Wed Sep-06-17 09:51 AM
26. "Yup. It's America. White women wear the crown" In response to Reply # 23
I agree 100%.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80093 posts
Wed Sep-06-17 09:58 AM
31. "nah, I think some of those dudes prolly think it's the only way" In response to Reply # 27
or its an easier way.
put it this way, when my wife is chilling with dance professors she tends to see the Black women with white husbands getting more work and more doors open.
This brings me back to a few threads about Black dudes in Hollywood making Black ass art with white ass wives. Shit always makes me wonder if there is some type of "wink wink" going on when you walk in with a white mate.
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36. "To live in a neighborhood near Shady Grove" In response to Reply # 27
I'd say yes, being married to white woman who will make it easier for you to afford a home there. Your zip code will allow your kids to go to better schools with better access to family friendly resources.
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50. "have black men giving up on us?" In response to Reply # 0
my son and I touched on this the other day. He was dropping me off at work so I didn't have time to go all in. one of the things he said is that black women are "tough". He mentioned how we dress, look...act. It hurt to the core to hear him say some of the things. Yet, I understood where he was coming from.
55. "I don't think yall are all that "tough"" In response to Reply # 50 Wed Sep-06-17 10:54 AM by MEAT
And this is completely anecdotal, but for me, Black women just want "more" of men and want men to want more from themselves AND express that.
I remember dating non black folks. I could be half a person as long as I made them laugh and we had a good time. I could deal with my inner struggles on my own time.
But I never got that freedom with black women. I couldn't hide how structural racism made me feel, or how draining navigating white spaces can be, or how unemployment affected me, those relationships forced me to be more than 1 dimensional.
------ “There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus
>But I never got that freedom with black women. I couldn't hide >how structural racism made me feel, or how draining navigating >white spaces can be, or how unemployment affected me, those >relationships forced me to be more than 1 dimensional.
before I moved down my son talked about how uncomfortable the white folks made him feel. I told him to fight thru that shit. It wasn't until I got here that i understood. I intend to continue the discussion.
69. "good question.... still going with no...my original answer had nothing t..." In response to Reply # 67
do w/ me and my experience(s) lol at the end of the day...there ain't NOTHING like a Black woman eventhough it seems en vogue to go after the exotics w/ black features
but yeah my lack of attracting yt girls (and this is prolly only because i've never holla'd at one and don't always have to w/Black women) wouldn't make me think that niggas, en masse, still don't love sista's
54. "I wonder if religion comes into play with this too...." In response to Reply # 0
Only because in our small circle of friends, us and another couple are the only two that did birthing class. We also are the two NON-church couples...as in...we don't fck with chuuuch like that at alllll.
The other couples are chin deep in it.... they opted for "couples counseling" through their churches and "small groups"....
Also called husband-coached birth, the Bradley method prepares the mother to deliver without pain medications and prepares the baby's father to be mom's birth coach. Although this method prepares you to give birth without medications, it also prepares you for the possibility of unexpected situations, such an as emergency cesarean section.
This 12-session course covers:
The importance of nutrition and exercise Relaxation techniques for pain management Labor rehearsals How to avoid a cesarean birth Postpartum care Breastfeeding Guidance for coach about supporting the mother
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The irony being that she never listens to me to coach her through anything. She's the type that'll hear what I have to say, find some counter evidence, try something out, then tell me I was right. We'll see how that goes with this.
------ “There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus
62. "I don't usually do this (in 4D life)...but...." In response to Reply # 59
on that medication stuff...i'm sure y'all already will/do...but do your research on how the meds correlate with the liklihood of having a C-section. Note that the hospitals WILL look at you sideways & treat you "some kinda way" if you roll in talking heavy about "no meds". They are in the business of keeping things rolling on "schedule" and a woman that's willing to go the distance with a med-free delivery slows them down. They will front like that's not what it is...but; that's what it is...
Hopefully your wife's OBGYN will be also be the one delivering the baby if that's who she's relying on to help her do the birth without meds.
Also...remember this... if she's trying to breastfeed...DON'T let them take that baby away from her until it's successfully tried to feed. the longer the baby is away from mom after birth, the longer it takes to get the breastfeeding process on track right.
Not trying to be preachy...just some things we picked up on and wish we'd known the first go around.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80093 posts
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72. "we didn't have a choice the first time around" In response to Reply # 62
Emergency C section so we struggled with breastfeeding for the first one because she was separated from us for a day while my wife recovered.
Second baby was almost separated from us due to her struggling to breathe but right before they were getting ready to til her out she was fought thru it and it's been smooth sailing.
Saved so much money on formula this time around
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75. "Same here..."emergency" c-section...which I still think was B.S." In response to Reply # 72
but that's AFTER the fact of us doing more research and hearing stories from others...man...don't even get me started on that....I don't want that weight on MEAT's head...brotha needs good vibes...
>Emergency C section so we struggled with breastfeeding for >the first one because she was separated from us for a day >while my wife recovered.
Yup, they took her away "for the safety of the mother and child"...but in retrospect they could have just as easily provided a nurse or assistant to support the child for safety while the numbing medications from the C-Section wore off...but money, time and resources prevented that.... I had taken some short video clips and noticed in all of them that our daughter was basically suckling air in attempt to feed...but the nurses were insistent that she take a bottle of formula instead while my wife rested... On top of that, they always took her AWAY to run tests and shit when they could have just as easily done what they needed right there in the room.
>Second baby was almost separated from us due to her struggling >to breathe but right before they were getting ready to til her >out she was fought thru it and it's been smooth sailing.
2nd baby we knew the game and stopped it before they started. Still had to do a C-Section because of other complications....but we didn't let them disappear with the baby like the first go around. She latched on within minutes and the breast feeding went pretty smooth for the most part. She ended up throwing in the towel on it this summer though for various reasons....mainly production couldn't keep up with how much the baby needed/wanted to consume in a day. Baby number 2 is 11 months old now though...counting down the days to not having to come up with this formula money...lol.. She's eating solids already so we really could probably stop now, but they say wait till they're a year old so....
It highlights the perverse financial incentive you're talking about, with regards to how perinatal services are underwritten and delivered.
Plus it presents a fairly impressive case - based on physiology, biochemistry, etc. - for how labor induction and other obstetrical interventions actually compromise the health and bonding of mom and baby.
(I'm on the fence about the latter.. since, historically, many of these interventions were developed so that less women/babies would die during childbirth. But their commercial exploitation is a separate topic, I suppose.)
87. "Also, with regards to what the OP's talking about, " In response to Reply # 80 Wed Sep-06-17 03:35 PM by kfine
among my various circles of girlfriends.. this doc was both recommended and discussed by my non-black girlfriends. Exclusively. I have noticed that my non-black girlfriends demonstrate way more open-mindedness to unconventional perspectives/approaches when it comes to pregnancy and childbirth (eg. hiring doulas, hypno-birthing, IVF, classes, etc).
My black girlfriends/relatives (who, collectively, have actually birthed more children) don't really pay such shit any mind, unless a medical problem/crisis emerges and a medical professional presents one or more unconventional approaches as an option. Or something. As someone said earlier in the post, they/we mostly turn to family.
So the OP seeing fewer black couples at such a class, may just correlate to an aversion black women may have for turning to outside sources for maternity support/guidance, in general. It sounds like non-black women were the overwhelming majority there, regardless of their partners' race.
78. "She does not want a c section " In response to Reply # 75
She'll get one if she has to. But every appointment with the midwife she communicates this. She's picked a hospital where they perform less of them. And we're working on an "action plan" of talking points.
I know Doctor pressure is real, but that's one of a handful of fights I'm really preparing for.
------ “There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus
mellowboogie Member since Jun 26th 2006 3608 posts
Thu Sep-07-17 05:53 AM
98. "Hi, from a Doula perspective, you did the right thing choosing a hospita..." In response to Reply # 78
with a lower rate of C-sections. That is honestly the first step in getting the birth your wife desires. If you haven't already, I advise you to make your birth plan (there are plenty of templates online that you can amend to suit you), give a copy to your OB, mid-wife and whoever is on the ward when your wife is in labor.
One very simple and useful tip is that if a mid-wife or doc is trying to rush you, ask them to give you a minute to discuss things with your wife.... don't let them put you on the spot.
'Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent. ~Victor Hugo'
99. "Same here. Fight the fight, keep the pressure on the doctor too." In response to Reply # 78
>She'll get one if she has to. But every appointment with the >midwife she communicates this. She's picked a hospital where >they perform less of them. And we're working on an "action >plan" of talking points.
It may not necessarily boil down to a debate between two parties but a matter of how they start the process and escalating it from 0-100 real quick.
>I know Doctor pressure is real, but that's one of a handful of >fights I'm really preparing for.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80093 posts
Wed Sep-06-17 03:00 PM
81. "we lucked up and had a female doctor when my wife went into labor" In response to Reply # 75
all the male doctors were pushing for a c section. Female doctor was like "nah, you are on schedule for a V back and let her ride it out. Thankfully she had to do the epidural as a precaution.
Still heated about that first baby cause we ended up paying a grip.
when the bill for the vaginal birth came back it all made sense.
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100. "1st baby $28K....2nd baby $30K... thank GOD for Insurance!" In response to Reply # 81
That's why I get heated with all the shit talking about the Affordable Care Act. Having babies is probably one of the most common medical expenses most families will see, women in particular.
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85. "No doubt" In response to Reply # 83 Wed Sep-06-17 03:12 PM by MEAT
This is 1000% my bias and my prejudices coming into play. And my hope is that I treat each couple I interact with in the space with respect and dignity regardless of my notions of them. That's not the space for that.
But in my head, online, in text, I'm gonna vent.
------ “There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus
i spent most of my time in Chicago in the city's few 'diverse' neighborhoods - Hyde Park, Uptown and Rogers Park. i sought them out on purpose. well, not Hyde Park - i lived there b/c i was in college (U Chicago). but i would've sought it out otherwise. lol
93. "Did you grow up in Chicago?" In response to Reply # 92
I was born into, grew up around, developed within a LOT of segregation. And that definitely colors my views on race relations as a whole. I like a diversity of individuals, but I don't have many good views on population wholes.
------ “There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus
95. "Nope." In response to Reply # 93 Wed Sep-06-17 04:31 PM by SoWhat
I spent my formative years near or on college campuses. Lots of time in bubbles - especially in student family housing at Berkeley. It was a socialist utopia. Lol. I never developed a sense of 'the others' when it came to race. My parents didn't talk like that and at school and in my neighborhoods I knew ppl of every race (and their parents). And I had a big ol Black family and went to a Black church so I knew and was comfortable with Black folks, of course.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80093 posts
Thu Sep-07-17 08:30 AM
102. "damn, so did mine. " In response to Reply # 96
and my grandmother was mixed too.
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