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"The Killing - Season One (and only)"


  

          

anybody else watch the premier tonight?

of course you didn't.

the Pacific Northwest is the perfect setting for an American localization of some Scandinavian noir. they nailed the tone and the cinematography is beautiful.

the Mulder and Scully dynamic between the two lead detectives is going to be fun. they're not over doing it (it ain't Fringe or even Castle explicit). it ain't stock at all, but the pairing has a built-in familiarity that really made these two hours fly by.

it's slowly plotted, which makes me certain we're going to be Rubiconned all over again, but it really serves the mystery well. i have no idea who murdered the girl so far.

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You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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I got it on DVR, I'ma watch it
Apr 04th 2011
1
Rubicon was probably the smartest show on basic cable ever.
Apr 04th 2011
2
      no doubt.
Apr 04th 2011
3
      good lookin.
Apr 04th 2011
4
      I was >< this close to giving up on Rubicon...
Apr 04th 2011
9
      i wish they gave it til season 2 at least
Apr 04th 2011
13
      nawl, people want interpersonal drama...
Apr 04th 2011
22
      that show went from interest...to 'where are they going with..'
Apr 07th 2011
47
I think I'll get into it if I can get over Sgt. Douchebag
Apr 04th 2011
5
it kinda seems like they intended for this to be one and done.
Apr 04th 2011
6
honestly that'd be fine by me.
Apr 04th 2011
7
      yeah, i don't mind it either really.
Apr 04th 2011
21
Her partner reminds me of Gareth from BBC The Office
Apr 06th 2011
42
I found this a lot easier to get into right away then Rubicon
Apr 04th 2011
8
RE: I found this a lot easier to get into right away then Rubicon
Apr 04th 2011
10
      RE: I found this a lot easier to get into right away then Rubicon
Apr 04th 2011
17
      RE: I found this a lot easier to get into right away then Rubicon
Apr 04th 2011
20
           Rubicon had some amazing acting, homie:
Apr 05th 2011
37
      RE: I found this a lot easier to get into right away then Rubicon
Apr 04th 2011
27
I watched Pt. 1. Part 2 is still on the DVR
Apr 04th 2011
11
he's >that dude<
Apr 04th 2011
14
i got 3/4 through it
Apr 04th 2011
12
I liked it a lot It's a slow burner, but it has tons of potential
Apr 04th 2011
15
good looks. would've never even known bout this.
Apr 04th 2011
16
I thought the pilot was excellent.
Apr 04th 2011
18
Watched the first half and a bit. need to catch the last half hour
Apr 04th 2011
19
Yea she's a dope actress, Juliard trained, she's official
Apr 04th 2011
23
At first, I thought this show was kinda like Durham County
Apr 04th 2011
24
Just finished watching it online
Apr 04th 2011
25
I was blown away, and those 2 make a perfect pair.
Apr 04th 2011
26
for all y'all saying this is better than Rubicon, it's not
Apr 04th 2011
28
now i am
Apr 04th 2011
30
I loved it but The Killing is *NOT EVER* fucking with Rubicon
Apr 04th 2011
29
I wasn't annoyed with the Holder character or the actor
Apr 04th 2011
31
yeah, im in. im gonna try not to be attached this time.
Apr 05th 2011
32
2.2 mil watched the premier (4.7 combined with re-run)
Apr 05th 2011
33
Each ep represents 1 day of the investigation?
Apr 05th 2011
34
yup pretty much
Apr 05th 2011
35
      RE: yup pretty much
Jun 20th 2011
263
So I watched Pt. 2, and liked it considerably better
Apr 05th 2011
36
like the female lead,the male lead is terrible
Apr 05th 2011
38
AMC has done it again!
Apr 06th 2011
39
The first two episodes are free on itunes (n/m)
Apr 06th 2011
40
Amazon too.
Apr 08th 2011
49
That's some crazy sick weed. I'm so stoned right now
Apr 06th 2011
41
yo, that doogie howser campaign worker
Apr 06th 2011
43
"maybe I need one of those" (a wife)
Apr 06th 2011
44
On a side note...the Geico commercial
Apr 07th 2011
45
I figured this would be a one-off anyway.
Apr 07th 2011
46
I liked it with some reservations
Apr 07th 2011
48
I just assumed each season would be a different case
Apr 08th 2011
50
I really dug the first two episodes
Apr 10th 2011
51
i'm not that excited for Mad Men anymore, man.
Apr 11th 2011
56
      Rubicon is done
Apr 18th 2011
77
           last season was easily the worst season of Mad Men
Apr 18th 2011
86
                I don't know that I remember either one well enough
Apr 21st 2011
96
Just watched episode 3
Apr 11th 2011
52
Still giving it the benefit of the doubt but...
Apr 11th 2011
53
That does happen though
Apr 11th 2011
64
agreed
Apr 11th 2011
60
That's my sentiment, too.
Apr 11th 2011
62
how did they find a boy with such a ratty devil face?
Apr 11th 2011
54
Exactly!
Apr 11th 2011
63
I think I was the only one who mentioned being irritated by him
Apr 11th 2011
65
I enjoyed last night's
Apr 11th 2011
55
13-14 episodes = only two weeks of story.
Apr 11th 2011
57
Don't be surprised if it's the girlfriend
Apr 11th 2011
59
I think it's fairly obvious that "Kissass" is not the leak.
Apr 12th 2011
67
      It was kinda mumbly...
Apr 12th 2011
69
Am I crazy or was ep 3 bad in a good way?
Apr 11th 2011
58
RE: Am I crazy or was ep 3 bad in a good way?
Apr 11th 2011
61
RE: Am I crazy or was ep 3 bad in a good way?
Apr 12th 2011
66
      but straight up, I love it when
Apr 12th 2011
70
Seeing as this has become a Rubicon discussion, question...
Apr 12th 2011
68
the second half of Rubicon moves faster than the first
Apr 12th 2011
71
second half of the season got really good...i was all in by the end whic...
Apr 21st 2011
92
the overall story is somewhat interesting
Apr 17th 2011
72
GOTDAMMIT
Apr 17th 2011
73
I knew from the beginning of the ep it was going to be the teacher
Apr 17th 2011
74
      they foreshadowed when Holder asked teach
Apr 17th 2011
75
      im pretty sure they juking us again.
Apr 18th 2011
76
      And the previews
Apr 18th 2011
79
      Well, don't base anything off of AMC "next episode" previews
Apr 22nd 2011
98
      It's too early for him to be the killer
Apr 18th 2011
82
      i agree which kind of annoys me...is this their whole game from now on?
Apr 21st 2011
93
           I'm guessing introduce suspects, "clear" them, then find something
Apr 21st 2011
94
      Yeah, I'm guessing they were fucking, but he didn't kill her
Apr 22nd 2011
99
      This
Apr 18th 2011
80
      damn you people!
Apr 19th 2011
87
This was a much better episode than three
Apr 18th 2011
78
RE: This was a much better episode than three
Apr 19th 2011
88
Does the sun EVER come out in Seattle?
Apr 18th 2011
81
Speaking of the sunlight
Apr 18th 2011
83
Lately not until June but they shot this in Vancouver
Apr 18th 2011
84
the girl's bff slipped on her canadian accent a bunch
Apr 18th 2011
85
this show is so spot on
Apr 21st 2011
97
I don't understand...
Apr 20th 2011
89
Anyone else think it might be the female detective fiancee..
Apr 20th 2011
90
no, but i do think he's weird
Apr 21st 2011
91
i mean, dudes sketchy. the way he ate that cake...
Apr 21st 2011
95
Guess everyone skipped this to catch the Treme premier?
Apr 25th 2011
100
i watched it this morning...
Apr 25th 2011
101
This was a more forgettable episode
Apr 25th 2011
102
and I'm tired of the grieving family already
Apr 25th 2011
Yeah the mopey mom is getting old.
Apr 25th 2011
104
I was thinking about that last night too but
Apr 25th 2011
105
      Agree with this nm
Apr 25th 2011
108
i'm not tired of the father's repressed gangster yet.
Apr 25th 2011
106
and I'm tired of the grieving family already
Apr 25th 2011
103
nah, i watched
Apr 25th 2011
107
      i dont think he will be either but he'll tarnish mayoral candidates rep....
Apr 25th 2011
109
Thoughts
Apr 25th 2011
110
RE: Thoughts
Apr 26th 2011
111
RE: Thoughts
May 02nd 2011
116
super agree on the SFU reference.
Apr 26th 2011
112
      RE: super agree on the SFU reference.
May 02nd 2011
117
lots happened in this ep
May 02nd 2011
113
yeah, bennet jumped up and larson about to provide the beat down.
May 02nd 2011
114
meh
May 02nd 2011
115
Hol up
May 02nd 2011
118
I'm guessing someone else actually killed her
May 02nd 2011
119
clearly neither one of them did it
May 02nd 2011
120
^^^
May 02nd 2011
122
so they hammered and ammonium hydroxied her
May 02nd 2011
121
      Less and less a fan of this show as the weeks go by
May 03rd 2011
123
nothing on last nights episode? anyone watch it.
May 09th 2011
124
i just watched it...kinda just going through the motions at this point.....
May 09th 2011
125
I'm still watching although I'm not as thrilled w/ it anymore.
May 09th 2011
126
I prepare for the week while watching the show. it's stalled. for real.
May 09th 2011
127
Yeah...
May 09th 2011
128
the woman at the mosque
May 09th 2011
129
      ah I missed that. thanks. n/m
May 10th 2011
131
this ep was disappointing.
May 10th 2011
130
RE: this ep was disappointing.
May 11th 2011
132
show went from must-watch to might-watch
May 13th 2011
133
terrorists? they trying to connect this with rubicon?
May 16th 2011
134
I'll see this to the end, but it's been a let down the last few weeks
May 16th 2011
135
on demand status - Breakout Kings deserves my Sunday nights more
May 16th 2011
136
      It just gets worse and worse
May 17th 2011
139
I ain't been up in this thread but I'm still into it
May 16th 2011
137
I think it's really turning into something special
May 17th 2011
138
      i think its turning into exactly what i feared it would be...
May 17th 2011
140
           I think that you're a terrible person
May 17th 2011
141
                lol you got all that from what i wrote and you're accusing me of trying
May 23rd 2011
148
                     *shrug* that's what I think.
May 23rd 2011
150
I'll say it - This show is dumb
May 22nd 2011
142
mitch's sister.
May 22nd 2011
143
i hate midge. that is all.
May 23rd 2011
144
yeah that bitch is an idiot.
May 23rd 2011
147
omg...I came to say this. i need her to get help.
May 23rd 2011
155
god i hate this show now
May 23rd 2011
145
this shit is so up and down. this week was up tho.
May 23rd 2011
146
The story is moving along, but for the first time
May 23rd 2011
149
      I'm guessing he was beating the rock
May 23rd 2011
152
      Ditto
May 23rd 2011
153
      i was thinking the exact same thing.
May 23rd 2011
154
      RE: I'm guessing he was beating the rock
May 23rd 2011
158
      i've been thiking the same thing.
May 25th 2011
161
      Yep. I've always wondered why he was in the show
May 25th 2011
162
      i died at Charlie Day clone.
May 23rd 2011
156
Maybe Roise killed herself to get away from these people n/m
May 23rd 2011
151
i know i've considered it. ugh.
May 23rd 2011
159
      This show is total crap
May 24th 2011
160
why base a tv show entirely on incompetents?
May 23rd 2011
157
It keeps me engaged but it could be tighter IMO
May 25th 2011
163
Is Sarah Linden the worst police officer on earth?
May 25th 2011
164
Dude the comments are hilarious!
May 26th 2011
166
      This comment made me lol
May 26th 2011
167
           Yeah that one got me too!
May 26th 2011
168
           fuck.
May 26th 2011
171
I've really locked into this series....
May 26th 2011
165
I've given up and moved on.
May 26th 2011
169
same here...lol
May 26th 2011
170
me three
Jun 01st 2011
187
I enjoyed it at the beginning
May 31st 2011
172
The aunt seem like she knows something...
May 31st 2011
173
      Yea the Aunt knows more than she lets on
May 31st 2011
174
How are they going to have that cop call someone else "ratface"?
May 31st 2011
175
casino's logo is that same as in rosie's keychain
May 31st 2011
176
how did nobody ever see that logo though or know what the Adela is
May 31st 2011
178
      I'd say yes but I missed the connection.
May 31st 2011
180
      RE: how did nobody ever see that logo though or know what the Adela is
Jun 01st 2011
181
           not even google...just the simple fact that they are locals
Jun 01st 2011
189
It wasn't enough like Twin Peaks already
Jun 01st 2011
185
im about to be DONE with this show
May 31st 2011
177
you musta missed an episode...it wasnt Rosie in the sex tape...
May 31st 2011
179
RE: you musta missed an episode...it wasnt Rosie in the sex tape...
Jun 01st 2011
182
      Sterling def wasnt although she could be in the future lol
Jun 01st 2011
184
           I'm sure they'll make the mayoral candidate a suspect now
Jun 01st 2011
186
                yeah probly
Jun 01st 2011
188
Right? I'm kinda annoyed that I've invested x amount of hours...
Jun 01st 2011
183
Wow, this show is some slower than slow shit.
Jun 05th 2011
190
yes this was a REALLY bad episode.
Jun 05th 2011
191
      how you make a filler in the midst of filler?
Jun 05th 2011
192
           RE: how you make a filler in the midst of filler?
Jun 10th 2011
218
this last ep is going to get hate
Jun 06th 2011
193
Agreed, I'm not mad at it
Jun 06th 2011
194
It reminded my of The Fly episode of Breaking Bad.
Jun 06th 2011
195
i didnt like The Fly either.
Jun 06th 2011
198
      Bout time someone else didn't like that episode
Jun 09th 2011
213
This should have been done earlier in the season
Jun 06th 2011
201
They're still shitty detectives.
Jun 06th 2011
205
I was fine with the character, but the resolution was SO fucking obvious
Jun 07th 2011
207
Honestly I liked the last episode
Jun 06th 2011
196
If I wasn't angry before
Jun 06th 2011
197
co-sign all of this
Jun 06th 2011
199
RE: co-sign all of this
Jun 07th 2011
210
you're being ridiculous
Jun 06th 2011
200
      is that right?(c)Dexter St. Jacque
Jun 07th 2011
209
I still like this show, and I liked this past episode.
Jun 06th 2011
202
I wouldn't have minded this episode if I cared about the characters
Jun 06th 2011
203
Exactly. Could care less.
Jun 06th 2011
204
Kinda where I am at with it. Good character development, but too late
Jun 07th 2011
206
this was my favorite episode of the season
Jun 07th 2011
208
Me too, though I'm still kind of disappionted overall
Jun 09th 2011
214
That shit was stupid.
Jun 07th 2011
211
late to the party.....
Jun 08th 2011
212
okay Im current....now question...
Jun 10th 2011
215
There are two episodes left
Jun 10th 2011
216
That episode was baaaaad
Jun 10th 2011
217
SON! WHAT!? FUCKING WHAT!?
Jun 13th 2011
219
For real, they took it up a notch this week.
Jun 13th 2011
220
it's finishing strong.
Jun 13th 2011
221
He was my guess from the first episode
Jun 13th 2011
224
That's what I'm thinking
Jun 13th 2011
225
      Didn't they check his alibi?
Jun 13th 2011
226
           yeah this is some ol' bs...mighta worked better as a movie though
Jun 13th 2011
227
indeed
Jun 13th 2011
231
Picked up for season 2
Jun 13th 2011
222
lol, i was just coming in to say that, better edit the title
Jun 13th 2011
223
HOW?? now i'm really angry about Rubicon.
Jun 13th 2011
228
Man, you know people like simple shit
Jun 13th 2011
229
seriously, i cant even get rubicon on dvd.
Jun 13th 2011
230
      hdtv rips ftw
Jun 13th 2011
232
           oh i have em on my comp but i want commentary
Jun 13th 2011
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                right. i want interactive bluray and shit.
Jun 14th 2011
234
Dunno what I'm more upset about
Jun 14th 2011
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RE: Dunno what I'm more upset about
Jun 14th 2011
237
count me out
Jun 14th 2011
242
My guess...
Jun 14th 2011
235
I think you're on to something.
Jun 14th 2011
240
RE: I think you're on to something.
Jun 14th 2011
244
SEE...
Jun 16th 2011
248
My guess:
Jun 14th 2011
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That doesn't make sense though.
Jun 14th 2011
239
      Well then, maybe she did it on purpose
Jun 14th 2011
243
Someone is gonna have to get kidnapped or something right
Jun 14th 2011
241
If season 2 relates to this 'killing'
Jun 14th 2011
245
damn
Jun 16th 2011
246
There's gotta be some sort of twist
Jun 16th 2011
249
I'm sure this would be a kick ass website
Jun 16th 2011
247
Veena Sud: I'm making it up as the season goes along
Jun 18th 2011
250
best thing about the show is Enos' portrayal of Linden
Jun 18th 2011
251
are you fucking kidding me?!?!!!!
Jun 19th 2011
252
man fuck this shit, I confess, I DID IT, I KILLED ROSIE LARSEN!!
Jun 19th 2011
253
what a mess
Jun 20th 2011
254
FUCK. THAT!
Jun 20th 2011
255
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHO KILLED ROSIE LARSEN!!! STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!
Jun 20th 2011
256
that was bullshit from beginning to end
Jun 20th 2011
257
That was some shullbit Llaldo!
Jun 20th 2011
258
I dont think they cared about him being convicted
Jun 20th 2011
260
RE: I dont think they cared about him being convicted
Jun 20th 2011
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the problem is it never made sense
Jun 20th 2011
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      RE: the problem is it never made sense
Jun 20th 2011
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           RE: the problem is it never made sense
Jun 20th 2011
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           RE: the problem is it never made sense
Jun 20th 2011
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           yeah, as mrhood said i meant the senator
Jun 20th 2011
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                RE: yeah, as mrhood said i meant the senator
Jun 20th 2011
281
                     he popped in a couple of different times
Jun 20th 2011
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'The Killing' producer explains finale, talks season two (SWIPE)
Jun 20th 2011
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lol. that show sucked. bring back rubicon.
Jun 20th 2011
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omg yes, please bring back rubicon
Jun 20th 2011
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what an awful show
Jun 20th 2011
264
stopped watching midway through season 1
Jun 20th 2011
266
i realized this after 2 episodes
Jun 20th 2011
268
I regret getting into this show at all
Jun 20th 2011
267
Fuck that show man. Rubicon should have never got the axe
Jun 20th 2011
269
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Jun 20th 2011
271
Alan Speinwall review/ethering of the finale/show (SWIPE):
Jun 20th 2011
273
I just finished reading that
Jun 20th 2011
275
basically. I was riding to the finale
Jun 20th 2011
279
#BASEDETHER
Jun 20th 2011
286
do they really think I'm coming back for s2 after that? cuz I'm not
Jun 20th 2011
276
what a crock of shit...this show sucks
Jun 20th 2011
277
Lol. From the replies in this thread I guess I'm glad I never watched.
Jun 20th 2011
283
haha, me too, people (and not just the OKP contingent) seem
Jun 21st 2011
293
I think that ultimately he did it but....
Jun 20th 2011
284
ha! i knew it
Jun 20th 2011
285
Bill Simmons hate-watches the Killing finale.
Jun 21st 2011
287
hmm
Jun 21st 2011
291
Rubicon.
Jun 21st 2011
288
Season 2.
Jun 21st 2011
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      Now.
Jun 21st 2011
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           and EVERYONE on Rubicon would
Jun 22nd 2011
303
archive
Jun 21st 2011
290
It's too bad Breaking Bad S4 can't start earlier
Jun 21st 2011
292
You guys sound spoiled.
Jun 21st 2011
294
They canceled Rubicon but gave this and Walking Dead
Jun 21st 2011
295
I really hate this plea cop
Jun 21st 2011
296
I'm not gonna watch something because it's good comparatively
Jun 21st 2011
297
Wrong (c) Charlie Murphy
Jun 21st 2011
298
It's not what you do, it's how you do it.
Jun 21st 2011
299
shut the fuck up
Jun 21st 2011
300
hi errol! i disagree
Jun 21st 2011
301
Here's the problem
Jun 22nd 2011
304
nope...to be honest....
Jun 22nd 2011
305
fuck this plea coppin...this show sucks and we're allowed to say it does
Jun 22nd 2011
307
Yo, is the original Danish version any good?
Jun 22nd 2011
306
you are going to have to let us know anf
Jun 22nd 2011
308
I liked it when I saw the first season
Jun 23rd 2011
309
The Killing E.P.: "I don't owe ya'll a goddamned thang." (swipe)
Jun 23rd 2011
310
"more of a holistic journey" UP MY ASSHOLE
Jun 23rd 2011
311
that about sums it up
Jun 23rd 2011
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All fine and dandy until they lose half their audience next season
Jun 23rd 2011
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RE: All fine and dandy until they lose half their audience next season
Jun 23rd 2011
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I guess she modeled her imcompetent lead after herself
Jun 23rd 2011
315
hmmm...i guess this one's all about expectations
Jul 21st 2011
316
The Killing WILL Be More Annoying in Season 2 (SWIPE)
Jan 11th 2012
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#169
Jan 11th 2012
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Hey, remember when niggas got mad when I said this shit
Jan 12th 2012
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      But that is snobbery
Jan 12th 2012
320
           Or, it's a game plan that they're sticking to
Jan 12th 2012
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                Again, snobbery.
Jan 12th 2012
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                ^^^
Jan 12th 2012
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                The point is, you don't have to like my tone, or Veena's, either.
Jan 12th 2012
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                     Yet when people tell you they don't like your tone, you get upset.
Jan 13th 2012
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                          Yeah, we'll just leave it here, then.
Jan 13th 2012
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                               Sorry, I can't let this shit slide.
Jan 13th 2012
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                RE: Or, it's a game plan that they're sticking to
Jan 12th 2012
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Mar 14th 2012
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naw... Im Done.
Mar 15th 2012
330
It doesn't seem like they learned anything
Mar 15th 2012
331
naw this shit was D.O.A....lol
Mar 16th 2012
332

Rjcc
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1. "I got it on DVR, I'ma watch it"
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I didn't even try rubicon, i'm sorry, that shit looked boring and after Lost I just didn't have the strength to hate anything else for a while.

what is it with scandinavian shit and slow starting stories that pile on all at once in the third act?

I've watched a bunch of movies on netflix and every single one of them is like that.


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IkeMoses
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Mon Apr-04-11 12:45 AM

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2. "Rubicon was probably the smartest show on basic cable ever."
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i'm sure lots of people found it boring because everybody got ADHD these days. the shit was like Three Days of the Condor the series, though. straight up '70s-style political thriller shit. it got canceled because it was the antithesis of Lost (which was all plot and no point).

>what is it with scandinavian shit and slow starting stories
>that pile on all at once in the third act?

i don't know, but it works when the first two acts focus on building up interesting characters. it makes you actually care about how the story unfolds.

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You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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3. "no doubt."
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netflix recommendations - Kinamand and Together

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IkeMoses
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4. "good lookin."
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You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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9. "I was >< this close to giving up on Rubicon..."
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Glad I stayed on 'til the end. Paid off well.

  

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13. "i wish they gave it til season 2 at least"
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it was really starting to get going at the end there
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22. "nawl, people want interpersonal drama..."
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not world drama

mirrors the real life shit going on 2 much

i loved rubicon

still mad it didn't last

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47. "that show went from interest...to 'where are they going with..'"
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to HOLY CRAP THIS IS AWESOME...then got cancelled...i wish it could've come back

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Nopayne
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5. "I think I'll get into it if I can get over Sgt. Douchebag"
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I think you're right though. This shit's gonna get canceled.

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IkeMoses
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6. "it kinda seems like they intended for this to be one and done."
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just tell this one season long story and be out, on some BBC shit. but longer.

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7. "honestly that'd be fine by me."
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or else what're they gonna do? Have a new little girl get bodied every season?

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21. "yeah, i don't mind it either really."
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42. "Her partner reminds me of Gareth from BBC The Office"
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8. "I found this a lot easier to get into right away then Rubicon"
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I'll keep watching. Love that the main character's a lot more subtle than every other female crime solver on cable right now, and I think the stuff with the girl's parents could become pretty compelling.

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10. "RE: I found this a lot easier to get into right away then Rubicon"
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Me too. Not only was Rubicon boring but they chose some very low level actors. It just looked like a tv show and I never bought into it.

This definitely has potential if I can get over the male detective. Doesn't seem like a believable character at all and has those Jesse Pinkman-isms that just make me cringe. WTF was going on with the scene where he was smoking weed and made the chubby HS girl inhale? That was his tactic to get information? I don't know if that was supposed to be clever or shocking or what but that shit failed.

They also found ALOT of crucial physical evidence in a 48 hour period.

The female detective, location and cinematography are the best qualities so far and I'll def keep watching.

  

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17. "RE: I found this a lot easier to get into right away then Rubicon"
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>It just looked like a tv show

re: Rubicon

In terms of cinematography and production design?

  

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20. "RE: I found this a lot easier to get into right away then Rubicon"
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>>It just looked like a tv show
>
>re: Rubicon
>
>In terms of cinematography and production design?

I think the actors were my biggest problem but I wasn't too impressed with the other aspects either. Bottom line, I wanted to like it and didn't.

  

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IkeMoses
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37. "Rubicon had some amazing acting, homie:"
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Kale Ingram. TRUXTON FUCKIN SPANGLER.

you wild, b.

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27. "RE: I found this a lot easier to get into right away then Rubicon"
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>WTF was
>going on with the scene where he was smoking weed and made the
>chubby HS girl inhale? That was his tactic to get information?
>I don't know if that was supposed to be clever or shocking or
>what but that shit failed.
>

I believe the intention of that scene was two-fold:

A) We're supposed to connect it to the previous scene where he attempted to badger the school teacher about whether Rosie was a hot, making us feel like the detective has a certain uncomfortable predilection.

B) It's further demonstration of his unfamiliarity with proper procedure for his current beat.

That second part might not be as clear if you missed his little comment about previously working some sort of gang-related detail, but that would also (in a cinematic sense) explain his unorthodox methods. I'm kinda surprised how many people don't like his character in a way that seems like folks are putting the blame on the actor, rather than the character being intentionally unlikeable.

  

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11. "I watched Pt. 1. Part 2 is still on the DVR"
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First half was only okay to me, but I'll stick with it because I hear it gets significantly better after that. The detective was cool, but her "replacement" REALLY got on my fucking nerves. Hearing him whine/shout "BUT YOU'RE MY RIDE!!!!" over and over and over again was grating. In fact, there was a little bit too much yelling and carrying on for my taste.

I'll watch the second half tonight, and then make a decision, but probably ultimately stick with it.

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14. "he's >that dude<"
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hope he doesn't turn into too much of a caricature

he's quite annoying
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12. "i got 3/4 through it"
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fell asleep it was a long working weekend
i'll try to finish tonight

what i saw held my attention though
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15. "I liked it a lot It's a slow burner, but it has tons of potential"
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The lead detective has a lot of restraint which is perfect for the setting, the mood and the cinematography.

I don't feel like the other det really fits, but it's only been one show so i'll wait and reserve judgement for later.

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16. "good looks. would've never even known bout this."
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banged out all these new shows in the am.
the lead detective has a funny look about her at times, but
I kinda like it lol.

action was good. don't wanna compare to Rubicon...but...
caught my attention much more easily than Rubicon could.

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Sponge
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18. "I thought the pilot was excellent."
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19. "Watched the first half and a bit. need to catch the last half hour"
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I'm impressed with girls mom. Wouldnt have recognized her as Maryann from True Blood if I hadnt looked it up.

The male detective is lame and should have been played by Pablo Schreiber.

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23. "Yea she's a dope actress, Juliard trained, she's official"
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Get out the room,
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Situation Podemy love

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Pamalama
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24. "At first, I thought this show was kinda like Durham County"
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which isn't a good thing (Michelle Forbes was in that too). I sincerely hope that's not the case.

As for The Killing, I fell asleep on it last night, but I'll catch it some time today.

  

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25. "Just finished watching it online"
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http://bcove.me/w7ya66ut

This is better than Rubicon. I watched the first episode of Rubicon and wanted to get into it, but that mess was waaaay too slow. Nothing really happened in the first 90 minutes. It was pretty much Will moping around the office, the river, the train station. I'm glad I didn't get invested in it because I would've been pissed when they cancelled it.

But back to The Killing. I like it so far. The pacing is just right. They are taking time to develop the characters and the story, but they also have the right beats in the script to keep the action moving forward. I'll make sure to catch this each week.

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JG.
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26. "I was blown away, and those 2 make a perfect pair."
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Shes super cold and calculating with a steely reserve and he makes you wonder how he got the job, but man when he go alone with those 2 girls he shined with compedence. This show has a creepy tone to it that reminds me of Silent Hill, Resident Evil and Heavy Rain. I'm hooked.

  

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IkeMoses
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28. "for all y'all saying this is better than Rubicon, it's not"
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yet.

yeah, Rubicon was slow and quiet, but the episodes weren't filled with narrative white space. they were actually incredibly dense. you would have scenes and shots loaded with character details and clues and most eps required multiple viewings.

that sort of dedication isn't for everybody, but wherever Rubicon slacked in pace it made up for it in depth.

as for all the Det. Holder backlash, i can see that. he comes off incompetent, untrustworthy, and tactless, but i'm convinced this is all intentional so far.

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30. "now i am"
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>as for all the Det. Holder backlash, i can see that. he comes
>off incompetent, untrustworthy, and tactless, but i'm
>convinced this is all intentional so far.


he redeemed himself in the last 15mins
i'm giving him more credit for the annoyance now
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29. "I loved it but The Killing is *NOT EVER* fucking with Rubicon"
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get it right!

Rubicon was a slow burn of a complicated conspiracy thriller that MERITED you watching and paying attention

The Killing has lots of potential. I like that it opened slowly and the use of the pacific northwest as a character is quite smart.

And I agree with the critics who are comparing it to Twin Peaks, but minus the dark humor and surrealism (but TP was, in its first season, a damn good show though)

I like the format of the show and having saw the danish version, it translated well to american tv.

it is cast well...i'm betting that Michelle Forbes (Mitch Larsen) will be talked about come emmy time...

im praying the show isnt canceled but it is AMC and the show is startly SLOWLY as hell...but i have hope.

hell, both my parents are watching and they are picky as hell when it comes to what they watch on tv...PERIOD.

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31. "I wasn't annoyed with the Holder character or the actor"
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who played him. Thought he was pretty funny like with the Funyuns..."fiber, son" and douche lines.

The Jasper character was one of the weak points in the pilot for me, and by him (character and actor) I was annoyed. I know his character wasn't meant to be likeable, but I prefer unlikeable characters who don't annoy me.

  

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32. "yeah, im in. im gonna try not to be attached this time."
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okaycomputer
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33. "2.2 mil watched the premier (4.7 combined with re-run)"
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Good start.

Has the makings of a great show. I had lowered expectations after hearing they stretched the first night to 2 hours because they weren't confident in the Pilot. But if you ask me the Pilot was the stronger of the two episodes.

I too was annoyed with the replacement character, but he did draw a few laughs. I'm siding with those who are saying the character is purposefully written that way. From what I've heard he becomes a lot more likeable after next week's episode.

All-in-all a great premise for a Television series. After The Wire, The Killing and to some extent Terriers I'd love to see more shows take the 'one season = 1 novel' approach.

One more thing: I never finished the game (on my to-do list) but this show reminded me very much of Heavy Rain.

  

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34. "Each ep represents 1 day of the investigation?"
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Seems like it's gonna be too slow. I just can't really get into the slow burners like that. Although, from how y'all posting it seems like it's pretty interesting. Maybe I'll try to peep it online...

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35. "yup pretty much"
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that was the format of the danish investigation.

it may be slow but im hoping that shit happens in those thirteen days *AND* we get some hints as to who killed rosie larsen...

like, i wouldn't mind flashbacks to the killing going on, etc. and it probably would since the detectives will be literally figuring the case out, etc.

im hoping for the best for this show, but i am being cautious with my enthusiasm.

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263. "RE: yup pretty much"
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>that was the format of the danish investigation.
>
>it may be slow but im hoping that shit happens in those
>thirteen days *AND* we get some hints as to who killed rosie
>larsen...
>
>like, i wouldn't mind flashbacks to the killing going on, etc.
>and it probably would since the detectives will be literally
>figuring the case out, etc.
>
>im hoping for the best for this show, but i am being cautious
>with my enthusiasm.

I really enjoyed the original version, seen here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU1_xAO8LuQ

But I would like to give the AMC version a go!

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mrhood75
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36. "So I watched Pt. 2, and liked it considerably better"
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And yes, Holder was far less obnoxious in the second episode than he was in the first. Okay, so I'm sold on this. Bring the rest of it on.

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38. "like the female lead,the male lead is terrible"
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story is interesting enough for me to keep my attention for a season, and I won't even try to compare to Rubicon cause I feel their two different animals...lol.
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39. "AMC has done it again!"
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I'm in.

  

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40. "The first two episodes are free on itunes (n/m)"
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41. "That's some crazy sick weed. I'm so stoned right now"
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Lol at that chick from Caprica.

Anyways, I thought it was a pretty solid premier. I'm watching the OG along side and I think it matches up so far. Each has some better choices. Sofie Gråbøl is infinitely easier on the eyes, but I kinda enjoy the laid back detective sidekick. It'll be interesting to see the different directions they take these characters.

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43. "yo, that doogie howser campaign worker"
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Is nearly as annoying as the bad detective.

I find the score to be a bit much at times, and the end of the first half bordered on hammy.

That said, i'm all in with this series.

  

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44. ""maybe I need one of those" (a wife)"
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I see you, Kathy (and Jodeen) Marquart

  

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45. "On a side note...the Geico commercial"
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with Foghorn Leghorn and the chicken-hawk was hilarious.

  

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46. "I figured this would be a one-off anyway."
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Solving one crime over the course of multiple seasons would get monotonous no matter how talented the writers are.

Regardless...

I agree with all sentiments.

I will be tuned in.

  

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48. "I liked it with some reservations"
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don't like the lead woman yet.. her character is to internal and seriously lacking social skills imo... her partner is a little too sketchy but he's interesting and I think it'll play out in the plot nicely...

man it's fucking dark though.. I got a 17 year old step daughter and I got a feeling I'll be watching this one alone because that pilot was too grim for Shimmy to finish.

  

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50. "I just assumed each season would be a different case"
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like the Danish original. Regardless of being picked up for a 2nd season (yeah, right) or not (most likely), I didn't think the Rosie case would be a 2 season arc. Have the producers stated that the case is intended to be a multi-season arc?

  

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51. "I really dug the first two episodes"
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Yeah it's a bummer Rubicon didn't work out (you'd think if it could have found a home anywhere it would've been on AMC) but I think the characters in this are going to be a bit more engaging. No it's not going to be as deep but I don't think this should get compared to Rubicon. It needs to get compared to Walking Dead (Killing is already better) and Mad Men / Breaking Bad (nothing is touching either one except maybe Boardwalk Empire).

Looking forward to the rest of the season and hopefully a few more.

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56. "i'm not that excited for Mad Men anymore, man."
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if i were to rank my interest in AMC shows now?

1. Breaking Bad
2. Rubicon
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4. Mad Men
5. Walking Dead

i watch whatever this channel airs religiously, though.

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77. "Rubicon is done"
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And while I enjoyed Rubicon for what it was, it never got me excited as a good Mad Men episode. And that show was still hitting on most cylinders last year. They had at least two classic Mad Men episodes last year. If you can't get with it, that's fine, but let's not act like it fell off.

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86. "last season was easily the worst season of Mad Men"
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it's still a great show, but Season 1 of Rubicon was MUCH better than Season 4 of Mad Men.

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96. "I don't know that I remember either one well enough"
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to make a statement that strong. I probably need to go back and watch both. At the end of the day my biggest problem with Rubicon is that I never really felt emotionally invested with any of the characters until the very end. If you're not going to make me care about the people, then I don't care how good the mystery is.

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52. "Just watched episode 3"
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Not as strong as the first two but made for good viewing nonetheless

  

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53. "Still giving it the benefit of the doubt but..."
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The "tv" elements are kind of ruining it for me. Somebody really had a video of the dead girl getting raped by 2 drug addicts on their phone? C'mon now... Even if that video existed they could have held that clue out a little while longer rather than just handing it to the detectives/audience so soon.

Some of the acting is pretty suspect and the political campaign stuff is poorly done. They needed to bone up on The West Wing before attempting this half-assed storyline.

  

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64. "That does happen though"
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I've seen quite a few news stories about kids passing around video evidence of crimes in schools.

But I agree, it did seem a little too convenient.

  

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60. "agreed"
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but i was a bit distracted while watching though

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62. "That's my sentiment, too."
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54. "how did they find a boy with such a ratty devil face?"
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I'm talking about the rich kid. I mean, he just looks like a piece of shit. Good casting. Sheesh.

  

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63. "Exactly!"
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>I'm talking about the rich kid. I mean, he just looks like a
>piece of shit. Good casting. Sheesh.

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65. "I think I was the only one who mentioned being irritated by him"
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for the 1st 2 eps. Everyone else was hating on Holder. I wanted to and still want to punch Jasper in the face.

  

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55. "I enjoyed last night's"
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Although I'm wondering how they're going to keep explaining her remaining presence in Seattle. "You're still the city's until the end of the day" became a week is going to become . . . what exactly? Only way it makes sense is if she eventually leaves her fiancee.

Not surprised Kissass McBrownnose was the leak, I think we all saw that coming.

So far, so good, I will continue watching.

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57. "13-14 episodes = only two weeks of story."
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but beyond that, it's clear she's not in no rush to leave herself.

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59. "Don't be surprised if it's the girlfriend"
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>Not surprised Kissass McBrownnose was the leak, I think we all
>saw that coming.
>
Her look was more guilty than his reaction. I'm not sure what her motivations are yet.

  

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67. "I think it's fairly obvious that "Kissass" is not the leak."
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but what do i know.

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69. "It was kinda mumbly..."
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But I actually thought the Private Detective named the girl as the leak.

Though I suppose I don't actually know the names of those two characters.

  

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58. "Am I crazy or was ep 3 bad in a good way?"
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It didn't seem nearly as well done as what we got last week. They basically handed us most of the plot points on a silver platter. That might be a good thing though. Rubicon taught us that viewers hate nuance.

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61. "RE: Am I crazy or was ep 3 bad in a good way?"
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>Rubicon taught us that viewers hate nuance.

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66. "RE: Am I crazy or was ep 3 bad in a good way?"
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>They basically handed us most of the plot points on a silver
>platter.

Maybe you're right, but my instinct is that most of what they fed us was deceptive. As is said above, the politician's leak is probably the girlfriend, not the immoral stooge. We have a suspected gang rape on video, but that doesn't mean we have the killers. Holder is found furtively talking on the phone at the hospital, and the Mayor happens to have been informed certain details.

And so forth and so on.

I will say that I basically hate all the scenes with the dead girl's family. The two little boys are preposterous ("it's ok, dad, you don't have to talk about it.") The mom's sister appears unintentionally suspicious. And the parent's grief is just...boring.

  

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70. "but straight up, I love it when"
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Michelle Forbes devours the scenery. As Mitch (the mother), she is GOING HOARD EVERY WEEK with the dramatics...

*love it*

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68. "Seeing as this has become a Rubicon discussion, question..."
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I watched the first 6 episodes of Rubicon and then fell out of touch.

Am I making a mistake in not finishing the series?

I really liked the show, but I'm not afraid to admit it was a little slow. I wouldnt say I "hate nuance" as was proposed above, but it definitely wasnt "gripping"

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71. "the second half of Rubicon moves faster than the first"
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92. "second half of the season got really good...i was all in by the end whic..."
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since it wasnt coming back.

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72. "the overall story is somewhat interesting"
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I just wish the acting, and writing were better.

It reached a point of annoyance, in episode 3. If the quality doesn't get better, I'll probably bail.

  

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73. "GOTDAMMIT"
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the new suspect got me heated.

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74. "I knew from the beginning of the ep it was going to be the teacher"
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I dunno if he killed her

but it had to be an adult, and it was probably someone we'd seen

I'd figured it was going to be him earlier, but when they didn't pop anybody else out by now, who else?

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75. "they foreshadowed when Holder asked teach"
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if anybody was tappin.

i kinda have a feeling they're trying to set up another juke here. like they was just inappropriate pen pals or some dumb shit.

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76. "im pretty sure they juking us again."
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i mean, do we assume teach is buying them expensive ass shoes on a teachers salary? he probably got student loans hes still trying to pay off.

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79. "And the previews"
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from next week's episodes didn't really feature him getting grilled by either detective.

  

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98. "Well, don't base anything off of AMC "next episode" previews"
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They notoriously don't tell shit (see: Mad Men).

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82. "It's too early for him to be the killer"
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It's the 4th episode. I do think it's more of an inappropriate relationship thing. He didn't kill her.

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93. "i agree which kind of annoys me...is this their whole game from now on?"
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will they continue to introduce new suspects and prove their innocence each episode? that'd be really lame.

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94. "I'm guessing introduce suspects, "clear" them, then find something"
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new that makes them a suspect again

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99. "Yeah, I'm guessing they were fucking, but he didn't kill her"
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Somehow, someway, the Mayoral race is eventually gonna link up with this. They can't just have this shit going on in the background all over a car from the campaign getting stolen.

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80. "This"
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>i kinda have a feeling they're trying to set up another juke
>here. like they was just inappropriate pen pals or some dumb
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87. "damn you people!"
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ill catch up tonight
ugh spoiler alert me or something
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78. "This was a much better episode than three"
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Although three had the shocking ending, ep 4 seemed to have a couple more 'oh shit' moments. It seemed either more griping or more nuanced... or just better. It's hard to call it. The writing seemed better all around.

I'm interested to see where the political plot points go if this lasts more than one season. And how they're gonna keep Ms Marquat around.

It seems no matter the writing, I won't be complaining about the acting any time soon.

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88. "RE: This was a much better episode than three"
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I agree. Some good twists that definitely made things more interesting but these cops still get insanely lucky!!! The bus thing leading directly to the teacher was just too easy... But I do think it's a Laura Palmer/Twin Peaks type turn where Rosie, like Laura, was a person people gravitated too and may have had alot of secrets some of them innocent, some of them darker.

  

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81. "Does the sun EVER come out in Seattle?"
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Like, it's never a nice day on this show.

Enjoyed last night's ep. Loved the stuff with Rosie's parents.

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83. "Speaking of the sunlight"
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How long was Det. Mustache McFakeWeed on the bus for? It appears it was still afternoon when he got in the bus initially and was pitch dark by the time he got off the stop to peep the afterschool volunteer place. I suppose it's possible it was during Fall and it gets darker earlier, but at least here in NYC, the bus routes generally aren't that long. Perhaps things are different in Seatle.

  

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84. "Lately not until June but they shot this in Vancouver"
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85. "the girl's bff slipped on her canadian accent a bunch"
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97. "this show is so spot on"
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about the Northwest. not just the weather, but everything.

  

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89. "I don't understand..."
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I don't get it...Rosie didn't want to go to college initially, but was eager to learn, loved reading, and "wanted the world."

Does that add up to anyone?

Also, "she wrote about this author, this was her favorite book." Shit, could they be any less specific lol. It would have been dope to know what kinda stuff she was into instead of a bland statement like that.

Big fan of the show though.

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90. "Anyone else think it might be the female detective fiancee.."
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I just have this feeling about him as a suspect?....lol He leaves right when all this goes down, something doesn't seem right...lol
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91. "no, but i do think he's weird"
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and definitely not a good look for kathy marquat

  

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95. "i mean, dudes sketchy. the way he ate that cake..."
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but i dont see why he would have anything to do with rosie.

i could see it being that goon who works for rosies dad. "WE DONT DO THAT ANYMORE" in response to the goon "paying a visit"

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100. "Guess everyone skipped this to catch the Treme premier?"
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While I'm sure to stick with it, this last episode wasn't doing the show any favors. They're getting a little too cute with random acts of subterfuge, especially with the politician's story. And how are we supposed to believe the Principal decided it wasn't worth mentioning, except as a spiteful retort, that Rosie's teacher also happens to be married a former student?

And the evidence of Rosie's brilliance was some shitty short film she shot on a Super 8 or some nonsense? Because using film over digital is a tell-tale sign of precocious pretension?

  

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101. "i watched it this morning..."
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i could see the teacher not mentioning it since she had no reason to suspect the teacher. this episode was ok but i didnt enjoy it as much as the others...im kinda getting tired of suspecting everyone for everything...maybe these kinds of mysteries arent my thing. ill keep watching though.

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102. "This was a more forgettable episode"
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They're kinda hit and miss with the politics storyline.

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"and I'm tired of the grieving family already"


          

  

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104. "Yeah the mopey mom is getting old."
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They need to move her storyline along already.

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105. "I was thinking about that last night too but"
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we want her to "get over it" because it's been four weeks for us. In the timeline of the show, however it's only been five days. Her body was found on Monday and now it's Friday. It hasn't even been a week yet. But I do agree, they need to stop playing her grieving so heavy handed. I think they may be doing that to set something up with her doing something very extreme later in the show.

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108. "Agree with this nm"
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106. "i'm not tired of the father's repressed gangster yet."
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103. "and I'm tired of the grieving family already"
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107. "nah, i watched"
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i'm surprised they raised suspicions about the teach instead of dismissed them somehow. i'm still not convinced he's the killer, though.

or at least i hope he isn't. because if they have to stretch the remaining episodes trying to pin evidence on the guy, that's going to get pretty tedious.

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109. "i dont think he will be either but he'll tarnish mayoral candidates rep...."
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even more now that they're hugged up in that commercial

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110. "Thoughts"
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I'm really cold watching Rosie's parents cry because I don't think they cry in a manner that makes me feel empathetic. I just see theatrics. Grieving characters in Six Feet Under made me tear up a lot (guessing because the stories were given more screen time and had better acting) so I'm not an asshole. Actually, I do wish to have a connection with Rosie's parents, but it's not there.

Brent Sexton is pretty terrible as the dad. And Bill Campbell's voice is irritating.

  

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111. "RE: Thoughts"
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I agree that the parent's grieving theatrics are wearing thin but I think Rosie's dad along with the female detective are the only strong actors on the show. My main gripe is how one-dimensional and cliche the characters are. The corrupt mayor, the politician who gets it, the blue collar dad, etc. They're doing a pretty poor job with the writing in terms of character development.

  

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116. "RE: Thoughts"
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>I agree that the parent's grieving theatrics are wearing thin
>but I think Rosie's dad along with the female detective are
>the only strong actors on the show.

Right now, Mireille Enos is the only one in the cast who impresses me.


>My main gripe is how
>one-dimensional and cliche the characters are. The corrupt
>mayor, the politician who gets it, the blue collar dad, etc.
>They're doing a pretty poor job with the writing in terms of
>character development.

That's true for now, but by season's end it might be different.

  

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112. "super agree on the SFU reference."
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When Dad started crying in the gas-station bathroom i was like "wow, thats intense" but not "wow, im emotionally invested"

When Peter Krause bursts into tears when * SIX FEET UNDER SPOILERS* he's burying Lisa in the desert in the season 3 finale (or was it season 4 premiere...?), i was like "OH MY GOD IM CRYING WITH THIS MAN"

thats the difference. In six feet under, the writing combined with the acting made me compelled to cry with them. In this show, im pretty much just watching them cry.

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117. "RE: super agree on the SFU reference."
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>When Dad started crying in the gas-station bathroom i was
>like "wow, thats intense" but not "wow, im emotionally
>invested"
>
>When Peter Krause bursts into tears when * SIX FEET UNDER
>SPOILERS* he's burying Lisa in the desert in the season 3
>finale (or was it season 4 premiere...?), i was like "OH MY
>GOD IM CRYING WITH THIS MAN"

Actually, I wasn't moved by that scene nor by most of the Nate-Lisa story. But when Nate went and the subsequent episodes...that got me along with many of the customers' stories throughout the series' run.

  

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113. "lots happened in this ep"
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i'm almost feel like they're moving too fast.

shit is going down next ep.

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114. "yeah, bennet jumped up and larson about to provide the beat down."
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115. "meh"
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118. "Hol up"
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At the beginning of the show, the Larson daughter was shown being chased down by someone in a wooded area. Wouldn't that contradict what the telescope dude saw in terms of the body being carried out by the Teacher and his Pregnant wife near the Teacher's house? Also, if its correct the Teacher wasn't home in time to catch the Larson daughter at his house, it's presumed the wife killed the daughter on her own. It's hard for me to believe a pregnant woman is going to win in a strictly hand-to-hand fight with an un-pregnant woman.

Although it was suspicious how the wife was holding the hammer when the cops showed up the last time to the Teacher's house.

  

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119. "I'm guessing someone else actually killed her"
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And there will be some big twist explaining why

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120. "clearly neither one of them did it"
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they're the convenient suspects.

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122. "^^^"
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It case folks haven't picked up on how nothing is ever how it seems.

Nice of them to arbitrarily throw in that "Oh, and let's not forget that the mom's sister was secretly fucking the wealthy father of the daughter's obnoxious ex-boyfriend, so now she has to drown her sorrows by getting high in the daughter's bedroom."

They forgot that ridiculous soap-opera shenanigans worked on Twin Peaks because that show was certified surreal from the start.

  

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121. "so they hammered and ammonium hydroxied her"
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then rolled her up in a carpet, but then she later is being chased through the woods by someone else, and ultimately is STILL alive in the trunk of the car when it goes in the water? seems a bit convoluted.

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123. "Less and less a fan of this show as the weeks go by"
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Alot of suspect acting and mediocre to bad writing. The political storyline is straight out of the network tv playbook. Nothing interesting or unique about it at all.

  

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124. "nothing on last nights episode? anyone watch it."
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125. "i just watched it...kinda just going through the motions at this point....."
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i'm still watching but not all that interested.

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126. "I'm still watching although I'm not as thrilled w/ it anymore."
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But here's a question: Where'd they get Muhammad's address from? Did someone slip it to them at the Mosque? I missed that part.

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127. "I prepare for the week while watching the show. it's stalled. for real."
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Why are you still here?
Don't you have a plan to catch?

You have to play hardball to win this race.
But I'm a good politician. Woe is me.

Mother neglects two living kids. Racist grandma makes crepes.

Get out of my house! I almost died tonight.
Can you help us?
Talk to my lawyer

Answer the phone please. I didn't mean to miss the plane.

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128. "Yeah..."
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I caught the second half and didn't even care that I had missed the first half, because I knew nothing had happened.

Rubicon at times felt like they were hesitant to provide more details lest the grand scheme become too obvious; problematic to some viewiers, sure, but it made some sense in context. But here, where the subject matter is still a rather mundane murder mystery, getting cock-teased at every turn is just asking for people to say "fuck it" and watch fucking Bones reruns instead.

  

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129. "the woman at the mosque"
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when they're talking to the guy @ the mosque, right before he mentions the other girl, ayesha, you see her in the background slipping the paper into the detective's boot.

  

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131. "ah I missed that. thanks. n/m"
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130. "this ep was disappointing."
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all that good tension they built up around the teacher in the previous eps just got conveniently brushed to the side.

and that freezer shit at the end just seems like it's going to be an extra ass diversion like the sex basement.

the tone and characterization of this show is still on point, but they're wasting it plotwise.

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132. "RE: this ep was disappointing."
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So many cliches. This just feels like a moody, extended Law & Order ep at this point. They have so much time to develop characters or do something interesting and consistently fail. I'm still watching but it's just a time killer at this point.

  

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133. "show went from must-watch to might-watch"
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and i skipped almost every family scene at the larsens. that little boy and his voice really grate on me.

"dad, can i go fly a kite tomorrow?"

wrong kid died (c) Walk Hard

ugh. and the random muslim curveball? the fbi? the drip-drip reveal of linden's "other case. the first couple eps had some good drama and tension. this stuff is all boilerplate.

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134. "terrorists? they trying to connect this with rubicon?"
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where is trux spangler when you need him.

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135. "I'll see this to the end, but it's been a let down the last few weeks"
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136. "on demand status - Breakout Kings deserves my Sunday nights more"
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139. "It just gets worse and worse"
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They wasted an entire episode without revealing anything new about the case past a tshirt that belonged to Rosie. The stock dialogue and lame sub-plots just show no imagination. If there wasn't some pay-off in finding out who the killer is I would have stopped watching this show last week.

  

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137. "I ain't been up in this thread but I'm still into it"
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http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

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138. "I think it's really turning into something special"
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Hopefully it gets a season 2.

  

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140. "i think its turning into exactly what i feared it would be..."
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a long overdrawn episode of law and order

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141. "I think that you're a terrible person"
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who is seeing what you want to see and is watching to prove how smart you are at finding out who did it when pretty much every detective story ever follows a similar pattern.

don't fucking bring up Sherlock Holmes cuz if any modern character was on that "I knew it all along" shit I'd punch them dead in the god damn eye.

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148. "lol you got all that from what i wrote and you're accusing me of trying"
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to prove how smart i am? gtfoh

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150. "*shrug* that's what I think."
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cheap skeiht killa
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142. "I'll say it - This show is dumb"
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every character is an idiot

  

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143. "mitch's sister."
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what's her angle? she's obviously hiding something(s).

  

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144. "i hate midge. that is all."
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Heinz
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147. "yeah that bitch is an idiot."
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potlikker
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155. "omg...I came to say this. i need her to get help."
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i know it must be hard and all, but damn...go see the doctor, get some pills...do something.


get out of the depressive haze ma, lol.

  

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145. "god i hate this show now"
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i want to see fat dad and crazy mom fry.

  

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146. "this shit is so up and down. this week was up tho."
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-30-
You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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149. "The story is moving along, but for the first time"
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watching this show, the acting let me down, especially with the beatdown scene. The big dude didn't really exert any extra energy when he killed the teacher and what was up with the Charlie Day clone punching the rock in the background? Even the chase scene with the two cops and Muhammed was weak. I'm just glad I'm not one of the Nielsen boxes giving this show any positive ratings.

  

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152. "I'm guessing he was beating the rock"
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So he can take the blame. On a unrelated note I also think he is the killer.

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153. "Ditto"
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> On a unrelated note I also think he
>is the killer.
>
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Mic_Specialist
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154. "i was thinking the exact same thing."
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158. "RE: I'm guessing he was beating the rock"
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>
>So he can take the blame.

Not a bad theory, but the father's hands are going to be bruised and lumped up as well and he has motive to kill The Teacher given how the mother voiced her impatience to the detectives right in the precinct the day The Teacher got murked. It shouldn't be too hard for the detectives to lock the father up at this point.



>On a unrelated note I also think he
>is the killer.

Interesting...

  

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Heinz
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161. "i've been thiking the same thing."
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I think he's the killer and the the sister is involved too somehow or she knows something

  

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162. "Yep. I've always wondered why he was in the show"
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But this definitely feels like it's going the "OK, which character hasn't been a suspect so far? It must be him." route.

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156. "i died at Charlie Day clone."
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Charlie Day would have been an amazing addition to this series.

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151. "Maybe Roise killed herself to get away from these people n/m"
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159. "i know i've considered it. ugh."
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im just watching out of obligation now.

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160. "This show is total crap"
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>im just watching out of obligation now.

I'm in the same boat. My gf is more invested than I am. If it was just me I'd be done with it. There really aren't any individual pieces of it that I like anymore. At all...

  

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157. "why base a tv show entirely on incompetents?"
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Is anyone depicted on this show good at anything?

the principal, the teacher, the parents, the cops, the imam, the politician . . . bumbling, horrible, people. the lot of them.

  

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SoulHonky
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163. "It keeps me engaged but it could be tighter IMO"
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One of my problems is that they make the mom's struggling with the loss of her daughter seem like it's crazy or out of the ordinary. She should be shaken up. They play her like a villain and I think they could make her more relatable and still get the same plot points out of her.

The entire "I'm going to Sonoma" storyline should have been dropped. It's just annoying. We all know that you aren't leaving until the case is over. They had that shit play out way too long. And everyone telling her, "You're getting too close. Like with that other case" is ridiculous. She's investigating a murder! Should she just be like, "Oh well, guess I couldn't figure it out. Let's get to Wine Country! Woo hoo!"

It could be an interesting show about good people who do wrong but instead it's filled with rather unlikeable characters who stumble into doing wrong.

There's only four episodes left (and they BETTER solve the case this season or I'm done) so I'll stay on but, while it's a decent show, the episodes seem like a chore to get through.

(Also, the stuff with the shot to get 5 million dollars was well done but I could really care less about his campaign.)

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Ghetto Black
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164. "Is Sarah Linden the worst police officer on earth?"
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lol

http://videogum.com/308221/is-detective-sarah-linden-the-worst-police-officer-on-earth/top-stories/d

  

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166. "Dude the comments are hilarious!"
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I sure hope the writers are reading these things. (Of course not.) But the complaints are pretty much the same. Which tells me they better tighten this thing up in season 2.

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167. "This comment made me lol"
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"To truly determine whether or not she is a bad cop, we must first measure whether King Kong does or does not got nothin’ on her."

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168. "Yeah that one got me too!"
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171. "fuck."
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165. "I've really locked into this series...."
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For the last two episodes I've watched the first 10 minutes, slept for 40 minutes and then my wife eventually talks to the TV which wakes me up for the final 10 minute daunting music montage/wrap-up.

Best experience I've had with this show since the pilot. Although I have no idea what the shirt thing was about.

  

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MiQL
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169. "I've given up and moved on."
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idgaf about any of the characters.
They're dragging this the fuck out.

  

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170. "same here...lol"
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187. "me three"
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172. "I enjoyed it at the beginning"
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- But just like someone else said if you're a major suspect in child murder you're going to tell the police about the female mutilation. You're not gonna get hemmed up and waxed at school on principle, you'd tell people and get your neck out of that noose.

- Linden sux, and honestly if you missed the last flight to Oakland you know what flight to take, the one firs thing in the morning DUMMY. You're the worst gf of life. Kill youself and hug your son all the way to the bottom of the sound after you jump in. He doesn't deserve that bad of a mother, and you suck so much you don't deserve a child, in you go.

I guess i'm just tired of the "oh look he's the suspect, or now look at him he's the suspect, oh i bet you'd never see this person as a suspect" fuck that. Lay it out and work towards an ending.

I hope the mom offs herself and leaves the kids with the Aunt she's better anyway.

Get out the room,
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173. "The aunt seem like she knows something..."
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174. "Yea the Aunt knows more than she lets on"
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I just sort of want Linden to go away, i'm tired of her lookin at people with that vapid souless look, and then asking them to look at a piece of evidence.

i'm just sort of over her although I did like when she snapped her son all the way up.

Get out the room,
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Situation Podemy love

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SoulHonky
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175. "How are they going to have that cop call someone else "ratface"?"
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I also liked that they ruled out Bennett so Linden went and informed the one guy who still has any sort of connection to Rosie's body (found in a campaign car.)

I also don't know how moving out of the houseboat to a motel is somehow showing the son anything. If anything it seems like she was trying to get away from the nagging.

This was possibly the worst episode yet. Have we ever heard about that casino before? Why was that such a shocking reveal? And why had they seen that Adela clue before and not ever looked into it? So far Linden does her best work while jogging.

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RetroName
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176. "casino's logo is that same as in rosie's keychain"
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>Have we ever heard
>about that casino before? Why was that such a shocking reveal?

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178. "how did nobody ever see that logo though or know what the Adela is"
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that just seems odd...but i guess im nitpicking

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180. "I'd say yes but I missed the connection."
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But that's why I'm not murder police.

The Adela thing seems odd though. I just hate how she just stumbled upon it. She should just go jogging everywhere.

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181. "RE: how did nobody ever see that logo though or know what the Adela is"
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>that just seems odd...but i guess im nitpicking

I wouldn't say nitpicking. A 20 minute Google search on any web browser would have probably turned that up but unfortunately Linden and her dumbass partner would rather just chase down dead end leads on foot.

This episode was terrible, like all the rest, but I gave it some credibility for at least establishing some new information. However they still waste a tremendous amount of time = Does anyone care about Linden's failing relationship? Why did she go to Richmond's house in person instead of just calling him for 5 mins? Probably same reason her man flew up with 3 one way tickets... It's also just riddled with cliches and these are the two worst/luckiest detectives I've ever seen.

  

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189. "not even google...just the simple fact that they are locals"
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that should be enough for them to put two and two together. they def should've recognized the casino logo, i mean the place doesnt look like some tiny operation.

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185. "It wasn't enough like Twin Peaks already"
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>Have we ever heard
>about that casino before? Why was that such a shocking reveal?

  

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177. "im about to be DONE with this show"
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i mean damn are linden and holder the dumbest cops ever?

how do you *NOW* realize the Adela (sp?) link wasn't a person BUT a ferry?

you didn't see rosie's key chain that had the SAME DAMN LOGO as as casino?

and why are the writers of this show *TOTALLY* about to Laura Palmer THE FUCK out of all of this?

Twin Peaks fans: y'all know DAMN well Rosie's murder *SCREAMS* of this...all we need is Killer Bob to materialize out of the woods on some Black Lodge/White Lodge shit and GET IT POPPIN! LOL!

who killed rosie:

--the sister: she already fucked up because she was neglected by her parents because they favored Mitch. Y'all KNOW mitch and stan favored rosie over their other kids. retribution?

--Gwen: she caught darren and rosie engaging in some inappropriate behavior at the casino. lured her out of her house and killed her ass.
OR, Gwen had a fling with prostitute Rosie at the casino, she freaked when she saw Rosie at one of darren's appearances...and killed her to cover up her secret.

--Jamie: same as Gwen, only he felt he was doing it to save darren's career.

bet you *MONEY* Rosie was a prostitute at the casino and all that (remember the video of her having sex with the two boys? notice how she didn't even FLINCH then they were pulling a train on her ass)

Get Out the Room
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179. "you musta missed an episode...it wasnt Rosie in the sex tape..."
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it was her friend getting a train ran on her

>bet you *MONEY* Rosie was a prostitute at the casino and all
>that (remember the video of her having sex with the two boys?
>notice how she didn't even FLINCH then they were pulling a
>train on her ass)

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182. "RE: you musta missed an episode...it wasnt Rosie in the sex tape..."
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

so it was her friend Sterling?

Okay but i'm still going with my theory that she and sterling were working at that casino doing some inappropriate shit and rosie got killed because of it....

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184. "Sterling def wasnt although she could be in the future lol"
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she basically fessed up to letting them dudes run that train on them cause they finally paid attention to her...but it also implied that it was her first time doing something like that and nobody else ever paid her any mind. so basically, i could see her turning tricks down the road but she wasnt then.

i dont think rosie was hookin at the casino but she was meeting an older dude that she was messin with. at this point i feel like anybody they end up making the murderer will end up being some deus ex machina type shit cause it really doesnt make sense for it to be anybody that they havent already cleared.

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186. "I'm sure they'll make the mayoral candidate a suspect now"
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then switch it up again in an episode or two.

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188. "yeah probly"
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183. "Right? I'm kinda annoyed that I've invested x amount of hours..."
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of my life to this shit. The only reason I'm still tuned in is out of obligation, lol.

it takes a muscle.

  

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190. "Wow, this show is some slower than slow shit."
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That your moms?
Who your moms?
No wonder you a bad moms.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

But seriously, aren't they supposed to this sort of character exposition like 5 or 6 episodes ago so as to not completely gimp the climax of the show?

We're building you up! We've got all these parallel threads in need of resolution!

But we're putting that shit on pause so our main characters can eat some fast food and mope.

  

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191. "yes this was a REALLY bad episode."
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192. "how you make a filler in the midst of filler?"
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218. "RE: how you make a filler in the midst of filler?"
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That sounds like a philosophical question. The commercials they run during the show have more substance than this show sometimes.

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193. "this last ep is going to get hate"
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since the plot didn't move.

this was one of the more character driven episodes, though. despite the melodrama, this was about Linden and Holder and this ep left us with a better idea of who they are.

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194. "Agreed, I'm not mad at it"
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It's better than throwing a terrorism/genital mutilation story in there for no reason.

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195. "It reminded my of The Fly episode of Breaking Bad."
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The problem is, I care about the characters on BB. I'm not sure I care about these people anymore.

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198. "i didnt like The Fly either."
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213. "Bout time someone else didn't like that episode"
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I have a 400 year old chip on my shoulder.

  

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201. "This should have been done earlier in the season"
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Maybe I would have been more invested if I had a better understanding of the characters.

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205. "They're still shitty detectives."
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Not sure why I care who either of them are at this point. The "She's my social worker" reveal was one of the least dramatic character points I've seen in a while.

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207. "I was fine with the character, but the resolution was SO fucking obvious"
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When I read the preview of the episode before watching it on my DVR, I said out loud, "He's at his father's house." Like, seriously, the kids been complaining for the last 10 days that he wants to see his father. Even if he hadn't been, his father LIVES in town. Why would that have been so fucking far-fetched to a police detective. I mean, I get that the characters are "deeper" now, but both of them are still idiots.

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196. "Honestly I liked the last episode"
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It didn't move the plot AT ALL, but it also made Linden more human. Up until this point you're stuck thinking what in the fuck is wrong with this lady. Now granted you're still stuck thinking, what in the fuck is wrong with her, but at least you know a little bit about her to sort of see where her decisions comes from.

So now they have 2 episodes to really blow you away.

Get out the room,
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http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/get-out-the-room/id525657893

Situation Podemy love

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197. "If I wasn't angry before"
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I'm angry now.

A whole "my kid is missing" episode?

With a "maybe her kid died too" fake-out at the end?

FUCK THIS SHOW.

I sat through all that for a snapshot of this teenybopper on an ATM cam?

FUCK THIS SHOW.













I'mma still watch tho.
Bastids.

  

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199. "co-sign all of this"
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especially...

>
>I'mma still watch tho.
>Bastids.

might as well finish it at this point

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210. "RE: co-sign all of this"
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Same boat. Horrible, cliched, time-wasting episode with some of the worst dialogue I've ever forced myself to sit through. But with 2 eps left and the amount of time I've wasted/invested in this shitty show I'm sticking around to find out who did it. Very doubtful I'll watch if they re-up this again though.

>>I'mma still watch tho.
>>Bastids.
>
>might as well finish it at this point

  

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200. "you're being ridiculous"
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209. "is that right?(c)Dexter St. Jacque"
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we got Ahmed in the hospital clinging to life
Rosie's dad in prison
a mayor who's fucking broads on the side and getting his doc to forge medical records
a lead on where Rosie was the night she died

and now we get the foster kid/junkie backstory show?

and the ending with the dead kid? How much more emotionally manipulative can you get? If he was killed by the killer, taunting his mother, THAT would have been an awesome twist.

Oops, wrong kid, he's at his dad's?

FOH

  

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202. "I still like this show, and I liked this past episode."
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Still looking forward to it every week, despite its flaws.

I think chronologically the episode made sense. We only recently found out that Holder really is a (mostly) good guy, and we needed to know that for this episode to take place or make sense. And I don't think the Holder/Linden relationship would have developed so much this episode had Linden not gotten to the point she is at in her life (no life, no friends, no fiance?). So, to me, the episode wasn't as much about Jack's disappearance as it was the relationship between Linden and Holder developing, and Linden realizing how much she is fucking up her life. That last part should have been emphasized a little more though, IMO.

One thing I've noticed is that some of the complaints about this show are similar to the complaints people had w/ Twin Peaks when it was airing.

... and Twin Peaks only lasted two seasons.

At any rate, I don't like this show as much as Breaking Bad, Mad Men, or Rubicon, but definitely more than Walking Dead.

  

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203. "I wouldn't have minded this episode if I cared about the characters"
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If they'd done this earlier in the season maybe I would have cared about the characters by now

  

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204. "Exactly. Could care less."
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I get why some people might have liked it but I really could care less about the world's worst cop discussing the reason why she may also be the world's worst mother.
I looked up online who the killer in the original series was. They'll probably change it but I'm not even bothering with the last two eps. No way they wrap this up in a way that isn't annoying.

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206. "Kinda where I am at with it. Good character development, but too late"
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And speaking to that, I think what's holding the show back at its core is the one episode, one day thing. If this show wasn't shackled like that, then an episode like this would have been earlier in the season, and I would have given a shit about the characters, instead of saying to myself the entire episode, "God, these two are such assholes."

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208. "this was my favorite episode of the season"
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unfortunately, the 9 episodes before it have been mostly trash. Imagine all the red herrings and other bullshit that could have been cut of this series if the writers had actually taken some time to build some depth to a few characters like they did here.



This pretty much captured my feelings on the episode, and the show in general:
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/06/the_killing_recap_4.html

  

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214. "Me too, though I'm still kind of disappionted overall"
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I have a 400 year old chip on my shoulder.

  

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211. "That shit was stupid."
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Her kid is missing and all they do is go to lunch and sit in the car outside the fucking motel. Then she tells the kid she looked everywhere, she only went to two places.

Did nobody else catch their radio getting the call on a missing kid when they first started driving? How could those two ignore that when she knows her kid is not in school?

I'll see it through to the end to see how it concludes but the whole thing is just annoying now

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212. "late to the party....."
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on ep 8 right now. LOVING IT SO FAR!!!

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215. "okay Im current....now question..."
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is there only one ep left (12) or two (12 &13)?
Dont know how they could possibly wrap this all up in an hour without it sucking.

Also as the thread title implies is this a one & done type of show or will we possible see another season?

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216. "There are two episodes left"
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Personally, I gave up on the season wrapping up in way that didn't suck several episodes ago.

I've read in several places that the show is doing decent numbers though and may very well be renewed for a second season. If that leads to them not wrapping up this case by the end of the season, I will be so incredibly pissed.

  

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217. "That episode was baaaaad"
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So they took out an ENTIRE day from this investigation to look for her kid? Like others mentioned before, at this point, I don't care about the characters at this point. She's a pretty crappy mom and a slightly better detective. This was a total filler episode amongst filler episodes. I'm only riding this thing out because I need the resolution.

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219. "SON! WHAT!? FUCKING WHAT!?"
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220. "For real, they took it up a notch this week."
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221. "it's finishing strong."
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they changed the whole game with this ep. it's a shame that all these elements got introduced so late, though.

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224. "He was my guess from the first episode"
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Just couldn't see why else he was involved in the story so much

still it wouldn't surprise me if this was just another bait and switch
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225. "That's what I'm thinking"
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>still it wouldn't surprise me if this was just another bait
>and switch

But there's no other direction they can go in one episode.

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226. "Didn't they check his alibi?"
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Didn't watch the ep but the new suspect seems odd since he was the first suspect. I thought they had cleared him. Or was it just another case of Linden and Holder doing a shitty job?

It would be really weird if it was him. Would make more sense if it was one of the underlings, probably the girl. She had access. She was jealous. She set up the meeting. The other guy seemed quick to cut Bennett loose so it could be him too.

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227. "yeah this is some ol' bs...mighta worked better as a movie though"
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231. "indeed"
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222. "Picked up for season 2"
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http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/amc-renews-the-killing-for-season-2/

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223. "lol, i was just coming in to say that, better edit the title"
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http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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228. "HOW?? now i'm really angry about Rubicon."
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i mean, i like this show, but come on.

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229. "Man, you know people like simple shit"
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This show is closer to Law & Order than it is to Rubicon.

  

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230. "seriously, i cant even get rubicon on dvd."
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232. "hdtv rips ftw"
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until something better comes along

  

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233. "oh i have em on my comp but i want commentary"
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lol

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IkeMoses
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234. "right. i want interactive bluray and shit."
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236. "Dunno what I'm more upset about"
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the fact this show got greenlit for another season or the fact I've been watching the show somewhat consistently for this first season. I'm more than certain I will make a concerted effort not to watch the second season though.

About the only thing interesting about the show though is that fact so many other people were effected by the event surrounding only two people, assuming it was only one person that had a hand in Rosie's death.

  

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237. "RE: Dunno what I'm more upset about"
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>the fact this show got greenlit for another season or the
>fact I've been watching the show somewhat consistently for
>this first season. I'm more than certain I will make a
>concerted effort not to watch the second season though.

I'm with this man. I moan and groan thru every episode but I'll stick around til the end. They won't fool me again though. One of the worst things about this show is how bad they are with details. Every episode the detectives get anywhere from 1-5 INCREDIBLY lucky breaks by basically doing nothing and things often don't make sense. Like emails sent to Orpheus@Bockmail.com (wtf?) showing up on an open screen on somebody's home computer grouped with other emails from friends and co-workers. Sure, they could have had the emails forwarded from that address but would they really want replies sent to an address used to procure underage hookers popping up in the inbox? C'mon son!!!!

We all should have figured that guy was involved. Why else would his storyline get 40-50% of the screentime? Lame...

  

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242. "count me out"
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235. "My guess..."
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Richmond, in a cloud of pity over his wife's death, tried to drown himself in the campaign car. He has a change of heart and escapes just in time, but the car goes down.

Unbeknownst to him Rosie's body had been placed in the trunk by someone else, let's say Mitch's sister who knew he was a client of their Twin Peaks rip-off whore house and thought it would be an easy frame. The actual killer, Jasper's dad. Mitch's sister has been linked to him...maybe Rosie dies in a drug overdose three-way party or something?

Anyway, who really gives a fuck at this point?

  

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240. "I think you're on to something."
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I don't give the writers much credit but I don't think they're going to wrap this up neatly. It's going to be a string of unlikely events where no one person is solely responsible for what happened.

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244. "RE: I think you're on to something."
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>I don't give the writers much credit

Really the entire show has hindered on people taking a chance at having a murder charge brought against them rather than fess up to a lesser crime that would immediately prove their innocence in the Larson case.

  

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248. "SEE..."
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I told folks they're (the writers of this show) going to LAURA PALMER THE FUCK OUT OF THIS...LOL!

the whore house, the "wayward" teen with another life that neither of her parents knew about, a best friend who knows more than she should, etc. it's all there.

I'm waiting for Killer Bob and The Midget Who Talked Backwards to show up as characters in the season finale this Sunday...

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238. "My guess:"
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Richmond's girlfriend/campaign manager did it. She found out that Richmond was screwing around with high-priced "Fleur De Lis" hookers and knew if it got out, it would kill his campaign. Plus, he was jealous/angry that she was screwing around on him. She has access to the campaign car, and she probably gets outside muscle to do the deed (maybe Yannick's people, maybe people affiliated with e Casino, maybe her Senator father's flunkies).

Also, the reason he asked the girl if she knew what it was like to drown is because his wife drowned as a result of the accident with the drunk driver.

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239. "That doesn't make sense though."
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>Richmond's girlfriend/campaign manager did it. She found out
>that Richmond was screwing around with high-priced "Fleur De
>Lis" hookers and knew if it got out, it would kill his
>campaign.

If this was the case then why would she do it in a car that's attached to the campaign? It defeats the whole point of trying to hide his fuckery.

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243. "Well then, maybe she did it on purpose"
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>If this was the case then why would she do it in a car that's
>attached to the campaign? It defeats the whole point of
>trying to hide his fuckery.

Because she's pissed at him for cheating and wants to get back at him. I can't remember, when that one campaign worker found the video of him shaking hands with Rosie Larsen, was it her and the skinny blonde guy who told her to make sure that this all remained confidential?

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241. "Someone is gonna have to get kidnapped or something right"
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so that the transition into S2 makes sense

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245. "If season 2 relates to this 'killing'"
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and not another killing, I'm going to be seriously pissed. Not that I'm going to watch season 2, but i do want this season to be completely resolved by the end.

  

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246. "damn"
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saving the best for last, huh?
I mean him having his killachick email in with his regular email? With the dirty tricks in politics now? Unless...He's being set up by the mayor. Or someone with means. This is the kinda make you think shit that needs to be in the finale.
If they finish up with a strong finale, I'll watch season 2.
If they can't nail it, I can't do 13 more eps waiting for the payoff that might never come.

  

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249. "There's gotta be some sort of twist"
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Everything so far has been a deliberate mislead. They make it look like they've found something important and then it turns out to be completely meaningless.

  

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247. "I'm sure this would be a kick ass website"
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http://www.dr.dk/forbrydelsen/#/forside

If I could read, speak and understand Danish....

and damn, AMC basically took the music from Forbrydelsen and used it for THE KILLING...

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250. "Veena Sud: I'm making it up as the season goes along"
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No wonder this show sucks. At least she had the guts to admit it (unlike the Lost morons).

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/06/nine_things_that_are_wong_with.html

Showrunner Veena Sud says she "had ideas in my head" at the start of the season, but hadn't settled on one killer, and "So it was like, 'I know 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 could all be potential murderer for all these 7 different reasons, but you know...' And the other writers too. All of us came in saying, 'Let’s just follow these characters around. Let’s follow the logical progression, the story, the emotional progression and not come to a conclusion and the minute we came to the discovery together, it was like, '... Yeah."

  

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251. "best thing about the show is Enos' portrayal of Linden"
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her minimalist subdued style is perfect for a mystery, there is something intense and painful about the look in her character's eyes. I don't know if its the years of working homicide or if there is something yet to be revealed about her character's past, but its intriguing.


I know the storyline is upsetting yall,but the duality and contrast between the emotions of the family and Linden's steely resolve is what keeps me watching. She's not the overly emotional female cop archetype nor is she insensitive, there's a level of complication or nuance to her character that draws me in.

  

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252. "are you fucking kidding me?!?!!!!"
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this was even more bullshit than the Game of Thrones finale.

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253. "man fuck this shit, I confess, I DID IT, I KILLED ROSIE LARSEN!!"
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this shit just has to end.

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254. "what a mess"
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AMC obviously has no standards any more. That was bad beyond comprehension.

  

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255. "FUCK. THAT!"
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this is fucking bullshit. what a shitty way to end a shitty show thats had a pretty shitty season.

fuck the killing, i defended yall for THAT!? AND THIS THE MOTHERFUCKIN THANKS I GET!? fuck you.

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256. "I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHO KILLED ROSIE LARSEN!!! STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!"
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Welp, I heard the Danish series went on for 20 episodes. I guess they felt that they just couldn't tell the whole story in 13. ***snicker*** Um, yeah.

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257. "that was bullshit from beginning to end"
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the whole episode made no sense.

it's like they tried to squeeze in three at a time, then they give a !!! cliffhanger ending that no one cares about.


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258. "That was some shullbit Llaldo!"
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Really? Each week they teased who the killer *might* be and they end up at where they started; The Councilman. But the councilman didn't do it! He's being set up by Holder and some mysterious figure (Probably the Mayor). Oh yeah, and creepy Balco is gonna go all Jack Ruby and shoot the Councilman. GTFOH!

There are sooooo many issues with this show. But let's talk about the big glaring issue with THIS episode. The photo of the councilman at the toll booth. Why would they think they would get away with faking that? 1) When filing their police report on the murder they have to describe how they developed the evidence and the chain of evidence. They would have to confirm the photo with the toll booth company. 2) This photo would no doubt be an issue at trial. Therefore the Defense would subpoena the toll both records themselves and would have found out the photo was faked. Either way, there was no way he would have been convicted on a fake . And once the fake was discovered, then Holder woulda been on the hook. Whatever the reason for the fake photo, it was a stupid thing to do. One stupid thing in a long list of stupid things in this show.

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260. "I dont think they cared about him being convicted"
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simple fact that hes being accused and arrested ruins his chances of being mayor, and thats what they wanted.

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270. "RE: I dont think they cared about him being convicted"
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>simple fact that hes being accused and arrested ruins his
>chances of being mayor, and thats what they wanted.


I thought about that, but that's STILL stupid. Because it will be revealed that Richmond was FRAMED! That makes him victim and would make him even more popular in the city. It may be too late to win the election when he is eventually vindicated, but if the current mayor is behind it, Richmond would undoubtedly be the favorite to be the new mayor based on all these scandals. This just was a stupid twist(in a long line of stupid twists in this show) to extend the "mystery".

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262. "the problem is it never made sense"
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clearly the point was that if they didn't get renewed then bang, it was richmond, no plane scene.


but that doesn't hold up at all.

we're supposed to believe that this guy who we've been watching all season just randomly decided now that he has to kidnap and kill a teenager because.....


I'm betting its his female assistant, she knew he was fucking around with rosie and then her dad set it up with holder to put the picture out there......for whatever reason.


I'm through tho, no way I watch season 2.

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272. "RE: the problem is it never made sense"
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>clearly the point was that if they didn't get renewed then
>bang, it was richmond, no plane scene.
>

So the the fact they got an early pick up from AMC is the reason we have this crappy finale? Possible.

>but that doesn't hold up at all.
>
>we're supposed to believe that this guy who we've been
>watching all season just randomly decided now that he has to
>kidnap and kill a teenager because.....

because.....yeah I'm still waiting for that. There's no reason for him to kill her. Because he had drowning fantasies? GTFOH. What about all those other women in the paper? Did he have drowning fantasies with them too? Why didn't he try to kill them. It's obvious they were making this isht up as they went along. And the link someone posted above confirmed it. What kind of showrunner doesn't break out the entire story before the season begins? How can you create a red herring week after week and not feel like an idiot?


>
>I'm betting its his female assistant, she knew he was fucking
>around with rosie and then her dad set it up with holder to
>put the picture out there......for whatever reason.

I don't think it's the Dad. I think it's the rich guy who keeps contributing money to Richmond. He seems like he has the money/power to fake something like that. Rosie's Dad is just a big ogre who beats Muslim teachers with his bare hands.


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274. "RE: the problem is it never made sense"
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>So the the fact they got an early pick up from AMC is the
>reason we have this crappy finale? Possible.

The showrunner maintains this was always the plan and AMC knew it was the plan. Or at least, that it's wasn't "a traditional cop show." Whatever.

>I don't think it's the Dad. I think it's the rich guy who
>keeps contributing money to Richmond. He seems like he has the
>money/power to fake something like that. Rosie's Dad is just
>a big ogre who beats Muslim teachers with his bare hands.

I'm pretty sure he means the female assistant's Dad, the Senator. Not Rosie's dad. I personally thought it was the femla e assisstant going into this episode, but the way they played, it really wouldn't make sense. But nothing makes sense on this show.

The rich guy/Mark Cuban stand-in doesn't make sense either. Why would he contribute millions to dude's campaign, after setting him up for murder? There was no connection prior to dude going to the guy for money early in the season.

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280. "RE: the problem is it never made sense"
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>
>The rich guy/Mark Cuban stand-in doesn't make sense either.
>Why would he contribute millions to dude's campaign, after
>setting him up for murder? There was no connection prior to
>dude going to the guy for money early in the season.

You're right, it being the Mark Cuban doesn't make sense either! But I'm not the writer! These idiots have been making up stuff week to week that doesn't make sense. I'm just trying to make sense of this cluster of a "twist". I forgot the assistant had a powerful Dad. So I only thought of the rich donor.

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278. "yeah, as mrhood said i meant the senator"
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the rich guy as he also said, makes no sense.

so he spends millions and then fucks the guy at the end with this random murder that happened two weeks ago?

the female assistant/her dad falls in the right area of the "has a half of a reason to do all this, capability to make it happen" zone


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281. "RE: yeah, as mrhood said i meant the senator"
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>the rich guy as he also said, makes no sense.
>
>so he spends millions and then fucks the guy at the end with
>this random murder that happened two weeks ago?
>

Yeah it doesn't make sense but he was the only one I thought would have the capability to do it. I forgot about her father.

>the female assistant/her dad falls in the right area of the
>"has a half of a reason to do all this, capability to make it
>happen" zone

I may have missed it, but how much did they talk about her father? All I remember was when the mayor gave her the pictures he mentioned her father. Did they say anything else about him besides that one scene?

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282. "he popped in a couple of different times"
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but not for too long.


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259. "'The Killing' producer explains finale, talks season two (SWIPE)"
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Yeah, this show is a cluster.


http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/06/19/the-killing-season-finale-two/?iid=blogTV-2H-MP-%E2%80%98The%20Killing%E2%80%99%20producer%20explains%20finale,%20talks%20season%20two


'The Killing' producer explains finale, talks season two
by James Hibberd
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This interview contains spoilers about The Killing season finale…

The Killing fans wondering who killed Rosie Larson are going to have to wait until season two, but executive producer Veena Sud plans to give you plenty of other reasons to stick around.

When Sud launched the acclaimed crime drama based on a Danish series, her goal was to create a world that broke the rules of traditional crime dramas. The show would have “slow burn storytelling†and avoid being formulaic.

“I loved the length of the original series how they took their time to go through all the twists and turns,†she says of the 20-episode Forbrydelsen, which was originally intended to serve as a stand-alone mini-series rather continue beyond one season.

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When she started work on the 13-episode AMC version, Sud hoped to continue Larson case into season two. At the TCA press tour, she made sure critics were aware it was possible the Larson case would continue. “We’re going to organically follow the story, and whether or not it gets solved at the end of the season is a mystery,†she said in January, though the decision wasn’t officially made until about halfway through production on the season.

“Certainly we’re not going to make this show about a murder a week,†Sud tells EW, “but aren’t we just repeating the formula, only waiting longer, if we do one murder a season? We wanted to do what we think is right and surprising. Maybe some people will be disappointed in it, just as some were disappointed in the series finales of Sopranos and Lost, and other people were absolutely thrilled.â€

Sud also points out that only 13 days have passed in the show’s story since this high-profile murder investigation started. Though she won’t give any spoilers (including whether Sarah Linden’s next case is based on season two of Forbrydelsen — which jumped forward two years and centered around the murder of a female attorney), Sud does promise the Larson case will be solved next season. Sources say the likely plan is to launch a new mystery near the start the season and have the two cases overlap before switching over entirely to the next case — thus avoiding a full-fledged storyline stop and restart.

Asked what sort of feedback she’s received from people in Seattle, Sud says, “Some say the show definitely captures the essence of the city in its darkest times in November, which is when this season takes place. Others say, ‘My god it doesn’t rain that much in Seattle!’â€

Will there be more or less rain in season two?

“Rain was definitely part of the story, we wrote it right into the script and spent a lot of time talking about it,†she says. “Part of the production is we have these rain machines that are just not into nuance — they don’t mist rain, they just pour it. It’s like a one-dial type of rain. The aspiration is to be true to true to the Pacific Northwest in November, which is rainy, but if we can do some finagling so it would just rain a little bit instead of a big downpour every second, that would be wonderful.â€

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261. "lol. that show sucked. bring back rubicon."
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265. "omg yes, please bring back rubicon"
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264. "what an awful show"
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266. "stopped watching midway through season 1"
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and came back just for the finale, it confirmed what I already realized the show is a POS!!!!...lol
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268. "i realized this after 2 episodes"
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>and came back just for the finale, it confirmed what I
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269. "Fuck that show man. Rubicon should have never got the axe"
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That head writer sud needs to get fired and shame on AMC for advertising it like the case would get wrapped up in the finale.

  

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271. "Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"
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some much bullshit I don't even want to get into it all... but seriously Bennet Ahmed's wife never saw a picture of the guy accused of beating her husband?

Who the fuck is writing this bullshit?

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273. "Alan Speinwall review/ethering of the finale/show (SWIPE):"
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http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/the-killing-orpheus-descending-reviewing-the-season-finale

A frustrating season comes to a maddening, insulting end

By Alan Sepinwall Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 11:00 PM

"The Killing" wrapped up its first season tonight. I interviewed showrunner Veena Sud about the season, and highly recommend you read that before we get to my review of the finale, as I'll be discussing what she said a lot. My review - with plentiful spoilers for the episode, of course - coming up just as soon as me doing math is like a dog wearing a hat...

When AMC announced the renewal of "The Killing," and that Veena Sud would remain in charge, I tried to be optimistic. The people who run AMC aren't dumb, I thought, and they know their brand and how the audience feels about it. If they were willing to make this move before airing the finale and seeing the reaction, it was because they had seen the final cut and thought it would quell a lot of the doubts people have had about the show, and/or because Sud had made a season 2 pitch for that acknowledged many of this season's missteps and talked smartly about how they would be eliminated going forward.

Having seen the finale, and now talked to Sud, not so much on either account. "Orpheus Descending" itself is a mess, and an insult to the audience who have stuck around for the last three months. And based on my conversation with Sud, it sounds like we're getting more of the same next year.

So this will be the last review I write of "The Killing," because this will be the last time I watch "The Killing." Because I have no interest in going forward with a show that treats its audience this way.

I, like many of you, had grown so frustrated with the thin characterization and plotting based entirely around red herring cliffhangers that I was largely sticking it out to find out who killed Rosie...

...only they didn't tell us, instead going for one last mega-fake-out, in which we learn that Richmond was framed, by Holder (revealed to have a hidden agenda just when Linden was learning to like/trust him), working for a person or persons unknown for reasons unknown. And just as we learn that, Belko steps up to assassinate Richmond for what he believes is the damage he did to Belko's surrogate family.

Not that I had loved the finale up to that point, but when we got to that final sequence, starting with Linden getting the phone call on the plane... well, let's just say that I began uttering a whole bunch of words that I've been hearing a lot in my "Deadwood" rewatch.

Sud's argument is that no one involved with the show ever explicitly said the murder would be solved within the framework of these 13 episodes. I don't have the time or ability to study every single interview and piece of promotional material from the last six months to confirm that for sure, but if it was never explicitly stated, it was strongly implied. When you market a show with a poster of the dead girl's face and the tagline "Who Killed Rosie Larsen?," you are telling people that if they tune in, they will get an answer to that question, and in a reasonable amount of time.

Now, in fairness, "Twin Peaks" had a similar marketing campaign back in the day, and they didn't close the case in the first season, but there were a couple of key differences. The first is that "Twin Peaks" wasn't based on a Danish show that had, in fact, solved its case within the confines of its first season (albeit a first season with 20 episodes to this show's 13), and therefore created an expectation of same in anyone who knew that. The second is that by the time that first "Twin Peaks" season had ended, it was clear that there were so, so many more reasons to watch and enjoy that show than simply finding out the killer's identity.

At this point, "The Killing" has virtually nothing else. It utterly failed to make Rosie herself matter. It failed at making Stan and Mitch into anything but monotonous engines of grief. It failed to make the political campaign the least bit interesting at any point. And while it briefly turned Linden and Holder into three-dimensional humans with the episode a few weeks ago that put the investigation on hold, a lot of that was undercut by the Holder reveal here at the end. Obviously, the stuff about his addiction, his sister and his nephew was true, but the building of the relationship and trust with Linden wasn't.

Sud also said that part of the point of ending the season this way was to remind the audience that this isn't a formula cop show, and they can throw out their expectations. But she's wrong. This show DOES have a formula, one that's very easy to anticipate now. Because all you really have to understand about "The Killing" - and what should have made me anticipate where the finale was going, only even I couldn't fathom that the creative team would so fundamentally misread their audience in that way - is this:

Every single thing this show tells you is a lie.

Forget about them not revealing the killer in the finale. That's a spirit of the law vs. the letter of the law question. This is about everything else.

We were told that Sud and company would use the extended time to really get to know the characters in a way that a traditional police procedural can't. We haven't. Most of the characters have turned out to be ciphers (the Larsens), not who we were told they were (Holder) or both (Richmond).

Nearly every episode of the series ended with a scene flashing a neon "Guilty!" sign at a new character, the better to lure us into watching the next episode, only for that episode to almost immediately clear that character. Sud tells me most of their early red herrings came from the Danish show. I haven't seen "Forbrydelsen," but based on the acclaim it received and the continued support it gets from people here who have watched both shows, even if the broad points were the same, I have to assume that the American creative team lost something major in the translation.

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When last week's episode ended with Richmond standing ominously in the doorway staring down Linden, looking like the obvious killer, I worried that he would be one final red herring. Then we came into the finale, and the tension continued, complete with horror movie-style music whenever Linden and Richmond were in a scene together, and I wrote in my notes, "The only way this isn't manipulative and annoying in the extreme is if he actually did it." So when Holder turned up the final piece of evidence, I was relieved, even though it did feel like the case against him had some major holes in it. (Oakes remains a useless, dismissive, irritating plot device, but towards the end he had a vague point.) It wasn't a terribly satisfying or compelling conclusion to the case - and, as I'd said way back at the start of the season, it was almost an anti-climax, given how much time the show devoted to the political campaign even when it was entirely unrelated to the investigation - but at least it was A conclusion. We wanted to know who killed Rosie, and we found out, and it was a guy we'd spent a lot of time with, even though we learned very little about him and sometimes had trouble staying awake during his scenes.

But then... to pull the rug out from under one last time, in grander fashion than ever before? On a show that many viewers have lost complete and total faith in? On a show where even the supportive reviews and comments have had an undercurrent of, "Let's wait for the finale; I'm sure there's a plan to all of this" to them? That's as colossal and unpleasant a miscalculation in a TV season finale as I can remember.

Now, Sud says all of this was planned at the start of the season, and also that she paid very little attention to reviews or other feedback of the episode. And that's fine. Not only are creators not under obligation to follow all the ebbs and flows of viewer reaction, but it's often counter productive. Creativity by committee or crowdsourcing is rarely a good idea, and the best TV shows tend to be the ones made with a singular, uncompromising vision. Sud ultimately mad a bad, frustrating show, but she did it not knowing how people would respond to it and believing that her approach was the right one.

But how does AMC not realize how viewers(*) are responding to this thing? Even if they thought this kind of ending was a great idea when the season started, how do they not head Sud off at the pass once it becomes clear how the show is being received? Or, if production was too far along at the point at which opinion started to turn against the show - or if AMC execs don't want to meddle midway through a season (as opposed to the messy split with the "Rubicon" creator after that pilot was shot) - how do they not even wait until the finale airs to decide for sure that they not only want another season, but want it with this creative team?

(*) And, again, I acknowledge that viewership has stayed largely consistent for much of the season, that there remain some critics who like it, as well as some of you in the comments. It's entirely possible that the silent majority of the 2 million who have been tuning in most weeks do like it, and aren't just sticking it out from some sense of completism. And if that's true, and those people aren't as turned off by the finale than I was, then AMC was right to stick by Sud. But I will not be surprised in the least if the show returns in 2012 with a VASTLY smaller audience. Because not only did the ending leave a bad taste, but there's not even a promise of a fresh start next season. Same creative team, and same story, at least for a while. If you hated the finale, I can't imagine any reason to come back; nearly a year removed, even the people who just wanted to know who killed Rosie won't care anymore.

I can understand that they might feel that A)viewers will be even angrier if this turned out to be the series finale, and when you're a niche network that's built a careful relationship with its core audience, you don't want to anger them that much; and B)this whole thing was Veena Sud's plan, and the story continues, and therefore there isn't an easy or sensible opportunity to bring in somebody else. Or they might just look at those 2 million viewers a week, assume everything's okay, and move on from there.

But over the course of this season, "The Killing" has gone from a show that proved the AMC brand wasn't infallible to one that proves the channel is capable of putting out an absolute trainwreck.

And the really frustrating part is that there actually were elements of the show that might have kept me watching if the writing was even a hair's breadth better and less insulting. The performances by the two cops and the Larsens remained terrific - just watch everything that washes over Brent Sexton's face as Stan ponders how to answer Amber's question about how many kids he has(**) - and the look and atmosphere were great (even if the constant torrential downpours eventually turned into a running joke). Even Linden's various confrontations with Richmond last week and this would have been effective if they had actually been about our heroine going toe-to-toe with the killer, and not just another in an unending series of fake-outs.

(**) Though even that scene was impaired by more plot stupidity. No way does Amber not know who Stan Larsen is and what he looks like, either from earlier in the investigation as the father of her husband's murdered student, or from recent days as the man who beat her husband into a coma.

But I don't care who killed Rosie, who's pulling Holder's strings or why, whether Belko succeeds in killing Richmond, how Linden will return from Sonoma, where Mitch went, or any of it.

I've been lied to by this show for the last time. Good luck to those of you who continue with it into the second season.

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275. "I just finished reading that"
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279. "basically. I was riding to the finale"
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the criticism t's gotten over the season wasn't entirely unwarranted but it was bringing enough to keep me watching.

the finale clearly sucked, but whatever, that happens.

THEN THEY PULL THIS SHIT


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286. "#BASEDETHER"
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And I love how he name checked Twin Peaks, as weird as that show was, there were PLENTY of reasons to keep watching and the characters (most of them) were three dimensional and you *CARED* for them.

THE KILLING: by the end of the season, i didn't give NAN A FUCK about any of them.

Though, Brent Sexton, Michelle Forbes, Mirelle Enos and Joel Kinnaman (Stan and Mitch, Linden and Holder respectively) do need to be remembered come Emmy time.

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276. "do they really think I'm coming back for s2 after that? cuz I'm not"
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277. "what a crock of shit...this show sucks"
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283. "Lol. From the replies in this thread I guess I'm glad I never watched."
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Figured I'd give it a go but once I heard they faked the Seattle shit I lost interest from the start.

  

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293. "haha, me too, people (and not just the OKP contingent) seem"
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genuinely mad about this show.

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284. "I think that ultimately he did it but...."
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...Holder was given a bullshit piece of evidence so they could arrest him and destroy his campaign. Sure, it's weak evidence that will be immediately thrown out in court and he'll be released but the damage was done. Unless of course, Belko shot him and it doesn't matter.


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285. "ha! i knew it"
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i'm a sadist not a masochist
i skipped lost
and i decided to skip to the end of this as well
and look i KNEW IT those bastards
ha!

i'm never looking back either imma read an article and look in here when the next season starts to find out
fuck that


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287. "Bill Simmons hate-watches the Killing finale."
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His comment about Linden's sweaters makes complete sense now that I think about it.



http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6680958/hackery-first-degree

If I invited you to my house for dinner tonight, you would come over and expect me to serve you food. Right?

Well, imagine we were having drinks in my living room for two hours. You're looking at your watch. It's 8:30. You don't smell any food. You don't say anything. Another half hour passes. You're on your third drink. You're getting legitimately hungry. You still don't say anything. And then, a half hour later, I stand up as if I'm ready for you to leave. We have this exchange.

Me: "All right, it's getting late, we should probably wrap this up."
You: "I thought we were having dinner?"
Me: "Tonight? No, I never specifically said that — I invited you over for a dinner."
You: "Well, you asked me if I wanted to come over for your house for dinner. I said sure. You said, 'Come over at 6:30.'"
Me: "Exactly. But I never said we were eating dinner tonight!"
You: "You said you were making lamb chops. You e-mailed me that you couldn't wait for me to taste your lamb chops."
Me: "I know, I know … I meant down the road though!"
I don't apologize. We shake hands. You drive away. You're kind of in shock. And as you're looking for a McDonald's or a Carl's Jr., hungry, light-headed, and pissed off, part of you wants to drive back to my house and punch me in the face.

That's how everyone who stuck with The Killing for 13 meandering episodes felt last night. There were two reasons we didn't bail: because we wanted to find out who killed Rosie Larsen, and because the season was promoted (at least implicitly) as having a beginning, middle, and end. Only that turned out not to be true — the final episode ended with a plot twist and two "cliffhangers" — and now the showrunner (I can't remember her name; let's just call her Judas) is claiming in interviews that they never definitely said this storyline was ending within the course of one season.

Oh, really? You never said that? Let's see, Judas …

1. You remade a Danish show, also named The Killing, which featured the same premise (a girl gets killed, the detectives try to solve the murder) and many of the same characters, and wrapped up the case in one season.

2. Your show wasn't picked up for a second season until two weeks ago, and when it was, everyone made a big deal about it. Like, "I wonder who's getting killed in Season 2! Can they keep this show going? Would it be a new location? New detectives?" You never contradicted them or said, "Hey, wait, nobody ever said this story arc was ending in Season 1!" In fact, you never said that — not ever, not at any point.

3. You allowed everyone to assume Season 1's story arc was ending in Episode 13 to the point that (a) online betting sites were taking "Who killed Rose Larsen?" action last week, and (b) Cousin Sal and I nearly wagered on Gwen.1

4. Any decent television critic who wrote about the show, invariably, mentioned that at the very least, we'd be wrapping up this storyline within one season. Again, YOU NEVER CORRECTED THEM.

Really, this was the first TV show to pull a pro wrestling-like betrayal on its fans. (When the last episode ended, we were only missing former WWE announcer Jim Ross screaming: "Noooooooooooo! NOOOOOOOOOOOO! WHY? WHY?") You can't even calculate the amount of time we wasted watching/talking/dissecting a show that, fundamentally, sucked to watch. Every episode covered a day in Rosie's murder investigation (thirteen in all). By about Episode 7, everyone watching it was in "this show royally sucks, I screwed up, I shouldn't have gotten sucked in — but at least we're going to find out who killed Rosie" mode. It was like being stuck in an amusement-park line for what you thought would be 45 minutes, only it turned out to be 90. Halfway through, you can't bail. You just can't. You just have to hope the ride is worth it.

This ride was not worth it. To say the least.

Even the line for it sucked. Forty-three percent of the show consisted of gorgeous helicopter shots of Seattle, as if Judas watched the cool helicopter shots in The Town and thought, "I wonder if I could milk a whole TV season out of an aimless murder investigation and nifty helicopter shots?"2 The weather was another crucial character: Every one of the 13 days was exceedingly gloomy, as if the show was being filmed in Alaska, only we knew it wasn't being filmed in Alaska because, again, 43 percent of the show consisted of helicopter shots of Seattle. ("Hey look, it's the Needle again!") The other ingenious move: Every episode ended the same way, with pulsating music and wrapping-it-up shots of four different characters (and then one last tiny cliffhanger shot), so that when you heard the pulsating music, it was almost like crunch-time of a basketball game.

Here we go! Stuff's wrapping up!

But not really, because again, nothing ever happened. Our heroine was a redheaded detective named Sarah Linden, a poorly written character who didn't wear makeup, kept her hair in a sexless ponytail, and wore the heaviest sweaters anyone has ever worn on television. Halfway through the season, she chased a suspect through a farmer's market and we suddenly realized why she wore those heavy sweaters: because the actress (Mireille Enos) is, um, amply endowed, so they covered her assets up so we never got distracted. I know this because, during the chase scene, her breasts nearly beheaded someone who was selling corn.3 By the way, this was the single most exciting Killing moment for about four weeks.

In the first episode, Linden was leaving Seattle to marry a guy who was seedy enough that my buddy Jacoby believed he was the killer. You know what? This was the single best "Who did it?" theory I heard for three months, and here's why: They wasted dozens of scenes with Linden either talking to this loser, talking about marrying this loser, cancelling plans to leave Seattle for this loser, or telling her son that he needed to know this loser better.4 There had to be an answer beyond, "Judas the Showrunner is trying to turn four episodes of material into 13 episodes, so she's just going to waste our time with these scenes with no payoff whatsoever." Nope. She postponed the move because Rosie's murder haunted her right away, so she needed resolution or something. When they ran out of ways to bore us with the seedy fiancée's making her feel guilty about not moving, they dragged her degenerate ex-husband into the mix. Could he be a suspect? Nahhhhh. There was no reason for him to be on the show, either. I think they were trying to humanize Linden, which was obviously hard because you can't humanize a "strong" female character when she's dressing like a lumberjack.

My favorite character was her detective partner, who my wife and I nicknamed "Jacoby" because he kinda sorta reminded us of a much druggier, darker, shiftier version of my friend Jacoby (mentioned earlier), and also, because we couldn't remember his name.5 Jacoby was always up to stuff, so you couldn't rule him out for Rosie's murder, only every time you started thinking, "I wonder if it's him," they'd close the door on it. (HALFHEARTED SPOILER ALERT FROM THIS POINT ON.) You can imagine our surprise when, with four minutes left in the last episode, it turned out that Jacoby had framed mayoral candidate Darren Richmond for Rosie's murder, and that he was working for a mystery conspirator who we never saw, which was a problem, because, you know, they made us believe the show was ending last night.6

The other good characters were Rosie's parents, whose marriage slowly dissolved over those 13 days because of their suffocating grief. Here's the one defensible thing about Season 1: people get senselessly killed all the time in television and movies, but we rarely if ever see the effects of those murders on the people who loved them. Just about any worthy Killing scene involved one of the two parents; in particular, the father (played by Brent Sexton) put up Monta Ellis-type numbers on a lottery team. There's a great scene in the final show when he runs into the pregnant wife of Rosie's teacher — someone he had beaten into a coma a few episodes earlier, only she didn't know it was him, you know, because when someone beats your husband into a coma and gets arrested for it, and it turns out to be the grieving father of the biggest murder case your city has seen in a couple of years, you definitely won't ever want to know what this person looks like — and as they're making small talk, she asks him how many kids he has. He hesitates for a second and says, "Three" (still counting Rosie as one of the three), and we can see the pain in his face.

See, that's the problem with The Killing — it was one of those shows that, once or twice an episode, had a moment like that, which led you to believe they knew what they were doing, and that everything was so painstakingly paced so that there'd be a worthy payoff at the end. The show looked cool ("Hey look, it's the Needle again!"), and at the very least, it was decently acted and it was definitely going to end after 13 shows. Except it didn't. Now I'm looking back at those 13 days and wondering why I didn't realize that it was so massively sloppy and poorly thought out. For instance …

If the Larsens loved their daughter so much, why didn't they know she was working as a prostitute, and why didn't they care that she came and went as she pleased?7 Why did Stan Larsen spend all of their savings without telling his wife? And why was I supposed to be OK with her ditching her husband and two sons in the final episode? Because she kept a journal from when she was a teenager in which she dreamed of going to all these countries, and Rosie found that journal, which is why Rosie led such a free life (and worked as a prostitute, but whatever), and now that Rosie's dead, it's time for her mom to follow her destiny, and wait … what????8
What was the point of Linden's fiancée, kid, ex-husband … I mean, why?
What possible motivation did "Jacoby" have to frame Darren Richmond for a murder? After 13 episodes, shouldn't we have gotten a hint or three?
How did Stan's sister in law (a waitress/escort) have enough money to bail out Stan after he beat someone into a coma? Why didn't such a boring show have a little more fun with a prostitute ring or Richmond's love for call girls? Why did the casino episode have to happen?
Why did the detectives wait 13 days to check the gas in the campaign car that killed Rosie?
Why did Linden show up at Richmond's apartment in the second-to-last episode (seriously, what was she doing there?), and why did she fearlessly return in the last episode to berate him, by herself, when (a) she thought he was a murderer, and (b) he was a foot taller than her and easily could have just killed her and stuffed her in his closet for a few weeks?
Why didn't they make even a halfhearted attempt to make me like Rosie or care about her?
In the Danish version, the killer turned out to be Belko, the bearded half-wit who worked for Rosie's father. In the American version, Richmond gets arrested for the murder, makes bail, then leaves the courthouse surrounded by cameras … and Belko pulls a Jack Ruby on him. Or so we think. Because that was one of the two cliffhangers; we never saw Belko shoot him. So you have to watch Season 2 to find out what happened. You know, the season that we didn't think existed.

I will leave you with four thoughts. First, Sunday night shows have a built-in competitive advantage because the best HBO shows (Sopranos, The Wire, Six Feet Under, etc.) got us into the groove of watching the best possible television every Sunday night, then AMC kept the momentum going with Mad Men and Breaking Bad, and somewhere along the line, that became our Smart Television Night and it doesn't really matter what's on anymore, as long as it feels like a good show. We never cared if Walking Dead or The Killing were great, just that they were good enough to keep us interested on Sunday nights, because that's the night we like to watch well-acted shows with well-developed characters that creep along from week to week and keep us guessing. So really, we're to blame for letting The Killing happen — we always knew it sucked, but we didn't care. We allowed this catastrophe to happen.

Second, The Killing is destined to become the first example anyone brings up when the subject is, "What show did something that made its fans hate it the most?" It's not like other shows haven't antagonized their fans before: The Sopranos cutting to black on its final episode, Seinfeld and his buddies getting arrested, and Dallas executing a retroactive "everything you just watched never happened" season-long dream sequence are the three most famous examples. But has a TV show ever willfully misled its viewers like this, to the point that it made you hate yourself for ever watching the show? No. Never. We made history here.

Third, I always judge television shows by the dueling metrics, "If I could travel back in time and tell myself to either watch or NOT watch this show, what would I say?" and "If I could have done the MJ's Final Shot in 1998 with a TV show and gotten out at the perfect time, then never watched another episode, when would that time be?" A good example: Lost. I would absolutely watch that show again, only I would tell myself to stop watching right before the final season started. Or Seinfeld. I'd keep watching right until George's fiancée dies from licking the envelopes, then I'd be done.

With The Killing? I would beg March 2011 Me to not watch a single second of the show. So there's that.9

Fourth and most important, I can't remember a single show damaging a network's brand this severely, to the point that AMC either needs to apologize, offer the entire Breaking Bad series on DVD for 85 percent off, or even publicly distance itself from the show the same way a sports team distances itself from a star player who does something horrible. That's how bad this was. AMC had won our trust over the past few years; because of that trust, we endured The Killing because we trusted AMC enough that we assumed they wouldn't screw us. It's unfathomable that none of the people running such a seemingly intelligent network said, "We better leak to Tim Goodman or Alan Sepinwall that they're not wrapping things up in one season, we don't want people to be pissed off." Nope. The ratings mattered more than the viewers.

And yeah, that's happened before in television … but not like this. The Killing turned out to be aptly named: AMC just killed any "most creative network" momentum it had. People will not forget what happened. I know I won't. And in case you were wondering, hell will freeze over before I watch Season 2.

  

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291. "hmm"
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Not the biggest fan of the dude, but his hatred for this wretched show, along with the fact he's partially responsible for the 30 For 30 series ups him a notch or two in my eyes.

  

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289. "Season 2."
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303. "and EVERYONE on Rubicon would"
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290. "archive"
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292. "It's too bad Breaking Bad S4 can't start earlier"
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One of course because it's a great show and I'm chomping at the bit to see how the events from the end of season three will manifest into more problems for the main characters. But pertaining to this pothole of a show, it would be great to highlight how dreadful The Killing is in comparison the Breaking Bad. I'm curious if AMC is going to try and force actors and writers from Man Men and Breaking Bad to try and do positive promos for The Killing similiar to how the Mad Men and Breaking Bad stars did promos for the other AMC shows. I almost can't wait until season two The Killing starts so the freefall in the ratings will be evident and the show gets cancelled after the second or third commerical break of the first episode.

  

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294. "You guys sound spoiled."
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The first problem is comparing to other AMC shows. Rubicon? Breaking Bad? Compare it to cop shows is what I say.

I really don't ask for perfection from a television series, and I don't know when this trend started. Back in the day, when there was a bad x-files episode, people would label it a monster of the week ep and KIM. They wouldn't call it the worst thing and the destruction of a series blah blah blah. Cuz it was a show that was good cuz it entertained better than the majority of sci-fi shows on 90s tv. That's it, and that's all you should ask for, not the next Breaking Bad/Sopranos every television season.

I look at The Killing like a Hemingway short story. Even the meandering forgettable ones were engaging mostly because of some unnamed problem with the protagonist, rising to the surface now and then. The show works because even though it sacrificed the side characters of the police station or the political campaign and drew them as flat set-ups for a episode-cliff-hanger, even Rosie herself, it saves the real mystery for guessing at who the Detective and the Politician truly are, and what mysteries haunt them. The best parts of the show are when the perfunctory dialogue ends and the camera stays on those two characters, tired, broken eyes; that hint of a disaster they ran from, and the lies they plaster it with. That's the payoff here.

And that makes it worthy of a second season, compared with what cop shows usually give us (seriously, do you guys watch those shows like fringe and csi? Television is filled with shite and I know I forget that obvious fact having the luxury to choose which shows to watch).

Y'all too hard on the show. It reminds me of the british show The Shadow Line, a show that drew it's supporting cast flatly as well, chasing Chewetil Ejiofor's sad demise. The show is a bit above average, but that detective should get an emmy for her performance. I hate women's performances on television(or rather, I hate the roles women are given on television), but this near fuck-up who wants to do right is a joy to watch, lay off her.

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295. "They canceled Rubicon but gave this and Walking Dead"
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two seasons. fuck that and fuck them.

they lucky they still have Heisenberg the God.

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296. "I really hate this plea cop"
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This whole "Somebody doesn't like something is too hard on it or has unfair expectations" shit. Maybe motherfuckers just didn't think the show was good?

>The first problem is comparing to other AMC shows. Rubicon?
>Breaking Bad? Compare it to cop shows is what I say.

Why? Why would you ever compare a show on AMC to CSI or NCIS? That makes no sense. You know it's not going to be a standard procedural. You know it's not going to be a completely straight forward episodic who dunit, so there's nothing to be gained from comparing it to Law & Order: LA. The only rational thing to do is to compare it to the dramas on AMC. (And HBO, FX, etc.)

>I really don't ask for perfection from a television series,
>and I don't know when this trend started.

It hasn't started. No one is demanding perfection from The Killing. What people are demanding is for it to actually answer the fucking question that it asked at the beginning of the season.

>Back in the day,
>when there was a bad x-files episode, people would label it a
>monster of the week ep and KIM. They wouldn't call it the
>worst thing and the destruction of a series blah blah blah.
>Cuz it was a show that was good cuz it entertained better than
>the majority of sci-fi shows on 90s tv. That's it, and that's
>all you should ask for, not the next Breaking Bad/Sopranos
>every television season.

Fuck that. HBO raised the bar for cable TV for good. And I'm glad. And everyone who likes good drama series should be glad too. If you half-step, people are going to call you out on it. Tough. Do better.

>I look at The Killing like a Hemingway short story. Even the
>meandering forgettable ones were engaging mostly because of
>some unnamed problem with the protagonist, rising to the
>surface now and then. The show works because even though it
>sacrificed the side characters of the police station or the
>political campaign and drew them as flat set-ups for a
>episode-cliff-hanger, even Rosie herself, it saves the real
>mystery for guessing at who the Detective and the Politician
>truly are, and what mysteries haunt them.

That might make sense if the tag line of the series was "What are the mysteries that haunt Sarah Linden and Darren Richmond?" instead of "Who killed Rosie Larsen?"

>The best parts of
>the show are when the perfunctory dialogue ends and the camera
>stays on those two characters, tired, broken eyes; that hint
>of a disaster they ran from, and the lies they plaster it
>with. That's the payoff here.

I'm glad that's enough for you. But clearly, that's not enough for a lot of people. They want something else from a dramatic murder mystery. Like story development and a payoff.

>And that makes it worthy of a second season, compared with
>what cop shows usually give us (seriously, do you guys watch
>those shows like fringe and csi? Television is filled with
>shite and I know I forget that obvious fact having the luxury
>to choose which shows to watch).

So because it's better than CSI, people are supposed to shower it with praise and wait with bated breath? Fuck no.

>Y'all too hard on the show. It reminds me of the british show
>The Shadow Line, a show that drew it's supporting cast flatly
>as well, chasing Chewetil Ejiofor's sad demise. The show is a
>bit above average, but that detective should get an emmy for
>her performance. I hate women's performances on television(or
>rather, I hate the roles women are given on television), but
>this near fuck-up who wants to do right is a joy to watch, lay
>off her.

This near fuck-up who wants to do right is a joy to watch...to you. Clearly lots of other people who watched the show don't feel that way. If you want to go easy on this shitty, shitty show. Fine. Just don't get pissed if everyone else doesn't want to lower their expectations with you.

  

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297. "I'm not gonna watch something because it's good comparatively"
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I don't expect everything AMC produces to be as good as Breaking Bad and Mad Men(The Walking Dead ruined any hopes I had of that) but I'm not going to give it a pass just because it's slightly better than the bullshit the major networks put on. AMC might be willing to lower their standards but that doesn't mean I have to.

  

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298. "Wrong (c) Charlie Murphy"
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I have no expectations. The ONLY other AMC show I've really watched is The Walking Dead. I've seen the first episode of Mad Men and the first episode of Rubicon. I have no AMC point of reference to compare The Killing to. The Killing was just a bad show. The characters were cliches, the plot twists were derivative and it insulted the intelligence of the viewers. I think the show may be salvageable in the hands of a different showrunner. But the goodwill established with the viewers has been severely damaged.

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299. "It's not what you do, it's how you do it."
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>The first problem is comparing to other AMC shows. Rubicon?
>Breaking Bad? Compare it to cop shows is what I say.

That would be fine and dandy, except the showrunner, Veena Sude, has been telling everyone who'll listen, ESPECIALLY after the finale, that The Killing was always conceived as "The Anti-Cop" show. So if she doesn't want us to compare it to L&O and CSI, then why should I?

As for the rest, like I said in the subject, if the execution was well-done, I wouldn't have cared if they had resolved it the first season or not. But they gave us nothing to care about this season besides who do it. For all the screen-time given to the grief of her parents (the only two performances I liked in the series) there was still no reason to care about Rosie Larsen. The cops were cretins. The political campaign was boring. Why am I supposed to care about the fates of any of these people to stick around for another season?

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300. "shut the fuck up"
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>The first problem is comparing to other AMC shows. Rubicon?
>Breaking Bad? Compare it to cop shows is what I say.


didn't watch either.



>
>I really don't ask for perfection from a television series,
>and I don't know when this trend started. Back in the day,
>when there was a bad x-files episode, people would label it a
>monster of the week ep and KIM. They wouldn't call it the
>worst thing and the destruction of a series blah blah blah.
>Cuz it was a show that was good cuz it entertained better than
>the majority of sci-fi shows on 90s tv. That's it, and that's
>all you should ask for, not the next Breaking Bad/Sopranos
>every television season.


what? ask lebron what being uneven all through the season and having a shitty final series gets you.


>
>I look at The Killing like a Hemingway short story. Even the
>meandering forgettable ones were engaging mostly because of
>some unnamed problem with the protagonist, rising to the
>surface now and then. The show works because even though it
>sacrificed the side characters of the police station or the
>political campaign and drew them as flat set-ups for a
>episode-cliff-hanger, even Rosie herself, it saves the real
>mystery for guessing at who the Detective and the Politician
>truly are, and what mysteries haunt them. The best parts of
>the show are when the perfunctory dialogue ends and the camera
>stays on those two characters, tired, broken eyes; that hint
>of a disaster they ran from, and the lies they plaster it
>with. That's the payoff here.


what? All that shit got tossed and burned in the last episode.


>
>And that makes it worthy of a second season, compared with
>what cop shows usually give us (seriously, do you guys watch
>those shows like fringe and csi? Television is filled with
>shite and I know I forget that obvious fact having the luxury
>to choose which shows to watch).

No.


>
>Y'all too hard on the show. It reminds me of the british show
>The Shadow Line, a show that drew it's supporting cast flatly
>as well, chasing Chewetil Ejiofor's sad demise. The show is a
>bit above average, but that detective should get an emmy for
>her performance. I hate women's performances on television(or
>rather, I hate the roles women are given on television), but
>this near fuck-up who wants to do right is a joy to watch, lay
>off her.


There's no point to her movements and in the end she's just annoying and selfish.

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301. "hi errol! i disagree"
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>The best parts of the show are when the perfunctory dialogue ends and the camera stays >on those two characters, tired, broken eyes


thing is you cannot do 13 episodes of tired, broken eyes
(of which i did not watch because i now realize i have a knack for shenanigans *pats self on the back*)


>And that makes it worthy of a second season, compared with
>what cop shows usually give us (seriously, do you guys watch
>those shows like fringe and csi? Television is filled with
>shite and I know I forget that obvious fact having the luxury
>to choose which shows to watch).

yes i actually so
the difference?
theres a payoff
you absolutely cannot give people "tired, broken eyes" and thats it
those characters simply were not that interesting certainly not 13 episodes of "tired, broken eyes" interesting



>Y'all too hard on the show. It reminds me of the british show
>The Shadow Line, a show that drew it's supporting cast flatly
>as well, chasing Chewetil Ejiofor's sad demise. The show is a
>bit above average, but that detective should get an emmy for
>her performance. I hate women's performances on television(or
>rather, I hate the roles women are given on television), but
>this near fuck-up who wants to do right is a joy to watch, lay
>off her.

and hell no it was most certainly not like the shadow line
there was payoff after payoff in the shadow line how do i know
i watched it
i simply do not do rewardless meandering gotcha television
you're new to television if you watched more television errol you would understand it's basic premise of simple entertainment
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304. "Here's the problem"
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First off, while the acting and cinematography are stellar, the storytelling is lousy. It's really no better than the summer serials like Happy Town, Persons Unknown, or Harper's Island. And that's the main problem with the show, the work done by the cast and crew isn't supported by the shoddy writing/storytelling.

But when you write "it saves the real mystery for guessing at who the Detective and the Politician truly are, and what mysteries haunt them", my question is WHO CARES? If the real mystery is who are these people, we need real relationships but, as you've said, the side characters are shoddy at best. On top of that, the cops are TERRIBLE at their job and even worse in their personal lives. I'm not interested in the mysteries behind the lead character because she's a bad mom and a lousy detective. I'm not watching someone fall apart; I'm watching someone who is already torn apart and doesn't seem to be doing much of anything to put herself back together.

We're coming off of some of the strongest cop shows ever made. The Wire and The Shield were amazing and Justified and Luther are holding it down. Hell, I wasn't even a huge fan of The Chicago Code but that was far better than The Killing, when it comes to storytelling.

The Killing seems like it wants to be Chinatown in Seattle or some shit but it's starring Inspector Gadget and her Penny is a rat-faced dude who actually makes matters worse. If you focus on acting and ambiance then I get why you like The Killing but there's simply no way that I can see a strong argument being made for the writing or the character development. Randomly unveiling secrets about someone does not character development make.

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305. "nope...to be honest...."
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while it dragged at points I was still loving the show..... I just felt the finale sucked... then I started watching Luther....and it just made it even more clear how crappy this show is. lol

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307. "fuck this plea coppin...this show sucks and we're allowed to say it does"
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306. "Yo, is the original Danish version any good?"
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I got a copy of it, but I haven't checked it out yet.

Discuss.

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308. "you are going to have to let us know anf"
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we are down and out in the us on this show at the moment
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309. "I liked it when I saw the first season"
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granted, they dragged it out too long (20+ episodes? they could have told the first season in 16-18 and been set)...

but heads above the american version....

series three of forbrydelsen (sp?-the danish original) is in pre-production now and should be out in 2012 sometime.

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310. "The Killing E.P.: "I don't owe ya'll a goddamned thang." (swipe)"
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Actually, she didn't say that, she did say that she doesn't want to be "kinda liked," the fact that you guys either liked or not means you're at least talking about it, and that the killer will be revealed in season 2.

Meanwhile, I didn't watch the show but I'm laughing at most of you...


hollywoodreporter.com:

>'The Killing' Showrunner Responds to Finale Backlash: 'I Don't Want to Be Kinda Liked'

June 22
10:09 PM 6/22/2011 by Tim Appelo

After Sunday's controversial, ambiguous first-season finale of AMC's The Killing, star Mereille Enos told THR, "There has been an Internet revolt!" Some pundits wonder if it won't slow the hot show's Emmy momentum just before Emmy ballots are due (June 24). But in an interview with THR's Kim Masters soon to air on the KCRW show The Business, showrunner Veena Sud says she knows the controversy is a big deal, but she thinks it's terrific.

"I'm flattered," says Sud, "and I guess surprised a little bit. But certainly it's a good feeling to know people are watching and talking about the show. I mean, the last time I felt this personally myself, and saw this type of reaction, was when The Sopranos ended its run (with a shockingly abrupt, ambiguous, mostly despised 2007 finale). If the show can be in that company, it's a deep compliment."

"The fact that people love us or hate us is a beautiful thing. I don't want to be kinda liked. The fact that someone loves my show or hates my show is great." Sud isn't a big Internet reader, but heard that one thread suggests The Killing is gaining more fans than it's losing from the Season 1 finale.

"There was a very vocal person who said, 'I'll never watch this show again, I'll never ever come back for season 2.' And on the same thread three more people popped up and said, 'I haven't watched this show yet but now I will because you guys are so emotional about it, it's gotta be something to watch.' So that's a great thing."

The very same night that rival Emmy hopeful Game of Thrones ended its first season with some startling surprises but a conclusive narrative bang, The Killing chose to end enigmatically. THR chief TV critic Tim Goodman lamented The Killing's "dubious use of red herrings" and "one last twist and lame cliffhanger."

Sud suggests that those who object to the show's red herrings (like the finale's last-minute revelations that a crucial bit of evidence may be fake, a good guy a bad guy and the bad guy actually innocent) may be looking for an old-fashioned procedural, which The Killing emphatically and radically isn't. "They're complaining that there are too many red herrings?" Sud says. "Well, there's two ways to look at it. Either it's a left brain journey where you're just connecting the dots of who the suspects are or it's more of a holistic journey where a young girl is murdered these are the potential suspects and this is why."

Unlike The Sopranos, which will never resolve the mystery of its last scene, Sud vows to clear everything up. "I want to let people know and assure fans that they will know who killed Rosie Larsen in Season 2."

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311. ""more of a holistic journey" UP MY ASSHOLE"
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this is the bullshit lost argument "it's your fault, you wanted answers!!!!!"

it's not true, you can keep people hanging forever...if the story makes sense. the killing completely went off the rails of making sense to itself in the last episode.

there's no explanation that makes all this work, and more importantly, that i'm interested in finding out about.

it's not about "who killed rosie?" it's about me no longer giving a shit.

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314. "that about sums it up"
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>there's no explanation that makes all this work, and more
>importantly, that i'm interested in finding out about.
>
>it's not about "who killed rosie?" it's about me no longer
>giving a shit.

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312. "All fine and dandy until they lose half their audience next season"
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Ask David Lynch and Twin Peaks how not solving the murder by the end of the first season worked out for them. Show went from being one of the highest rated shows on TV to sputtering for ratings life midway through season 2 to cancelled by the end of that season. A second cliff-hanger didn't save them either. And Twin Peaks was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show.

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313. "RE: All fine and dandy until they lose half their audience next season"
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>Ask David Lynch and Twin Peaks how not solving the murder by
>the end of the first season worked out for them. Show went
>from being one of the highest rated shows on TV to sputtering
>for ratings life midway through season 2 to cancelled by the
>end of that season. A second cliff-hanger didn't save them
>either. And Twin Peaks was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show.

Not that this show doesn't suck, but I'm pretty sure the bigger issue that struck Twin Peaks is that Lynch left the show shortly after resolving the initial "mystery".

Whereas there's a good chance this show would improve if this pretentious nitwit were to fuck off.

  

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315. "I guess she modeled her imcompetent lead after herself"
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The "You must be looking for a procedural" plea cop is laughable. The show was stupid. The lead characters were idiotic. And the red herrings were just plain silly.

And the fact that she's not gushing over the actors and direction/cinematography in every single interview irks me even more.

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316. "hmmm...i guess this one's all about expectations"
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i didn't know anything about this show...most importantly, i didn't know the show was "supposed" to solve the case by the end of the season.

it did get sloppy by the end - the last episode, in particular, was obviously rushed. and there are plenty of plot holes. but i LOVED the acting throughout the season.

the episode that everyone seems to hate - the one-off where they're looking for Linden's son - was easily my favorite. there was some DAMN good acting by both leads in that one. great writing, too. such a great way for us to get to know these characters and for them to get to know each other.

i can't really be mad at y'all for being disappointed...i might be mad if i was expecting closure...but the comparisons to Lost are complete bullshit. that shit went on for, what, 6 seasons? and the final "answer" was "they all went to heaven". worst shit ever.

  

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317. "The Killing WILL Be More Annoying in Season 2 (SWIPE)"
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They won't reveal the killer until the end of season 2. WTF?

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/01/11/the-killing-no-resolution-until-end-of-second-season-report/

'The Killing' won't solve Rosie Larsen's murder until end of second season
by Lynette Rice
Categories: The Killing


Brace yourself, fans of The Killing: It may be some time before you learn who killed Rosie Larsen.

In the January issue of Written By, a profile of The Killing creator Veena Sud ends with the sobering message that Rosie’s killer won’t be revealed until the end of season two. Sud is quoted as saying “this is not a committee thing” — an obvious reference to the legions of fans who were angry that Sud and her writing staff offered no resolution to the crime in the series’ first Emmy-nominated year.

“I wanted to tell The Killing with the rhythm and tones of everyday life, the hesitations, and the silences, and the not-knowing-what-to-say,” Sud tells Louise Farr in the magazine. “The messiness and unstructured way of people who I think sometimes we aren’t encouraged to do in TV. We are encouraged to connect the dots with straight lines, and not take detours or go off in tangents that are messy and nonlinear.”

AMC would not comment.


Comments about the first season finale were so nasty, the article says, that Sud stopped looking on the internet. (Among those not-so-pleasant comments: “Would the series be better off with a man at the helm” and “Could Veena Sud be a Muslim with an agenda?”)

“Our intent was not to mislead or betray,” said Sud, who is half-filipina and half-Indian. “We talked about the fans, and their passion, and all of the stuff that was being said on the internet. But the bottom line is, we close the door and we’re a bunch of people in the room, and our job was, and continues to be, to tell the story that feels right by us.”

The second season of The Killing will begin in the spring.

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318. "#169"
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We warned you long ago.

  

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319. "Hey, remember when niggas got mad when I said this shit"
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“We talked about the fans, and their passion, and all of the stuff that was being said on the internet. But the bottom line is, we close the door and we’re a bunch of people in the room, and our job was, and continues to be, to tell the story that feels right by us.”


And when niggas tried their damnest to reduce my point to "snobbery?"

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320. "But that is snobbery"
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Clearly they pissed off a majority of their fan base with how they handled things last season. To say, "Fuck it. Not only are we not going to learn from our mistakes but we're not even going to admit that it was a mistake" is snobbery or hubris.

TV is kind of like an artistic service industry. Yes, the artist's vision is important but when it completely flies in the face of what the consumer wants, then people have to step back and reassess what they're doing.

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321. "Or, it's a game plan that they're sticking to"
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They appreciate the fan input and feedback, but they're not going to adjust what their doing just to accomodate the fans.

And yes, they're aware that the fans are what make and break the show.

Actually, they're aware that the people who write the checks (the network) are what make and break the show. And more importantly, they're aware that the characters that they're telling the story about make and break the show.

"Fixing their mistakes" is a cute, consumer-ist talking way of trying to make them accomodate the audience, because the audience has seemingly pointed out every flaw in how they're choosing to tell their story. And it assumes that the people in charge don't know what they want to do, when the opposite is pretty clear.

And yes, they're fully aware that if the audience doesn't care about the story being told that they'll be out of a job. Clearly, this is not a major concern, nor should it be.

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322. "Again, snobbery."
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I'm not sure how you can say that it's clear that the people in charge know what they want to do when we've been told pretty much every possible option: Rosie's killer will be revealed in season 1, Rosie's killer will be revealed early in season 2, Rosie's killer won't be revealed until the end of season 2.

>Actually, they're aware that the people who write the checks
>(the network) are what make and break the show. And more
>importantly, they're aware that the characters that they're
>telling the story about make and break the show.

This isn't pay cable. The people who write the checks that matter are the advertisers. And they want an audience. And when you piss off a majority of your fans and supporters and turn around and say, "You know what, we know better. Our shit was what we wanted and that's all that matters." then at the very least you should own up to the fact that you are coming off as snobbish and high and mighty.
(Also, this isn't Lost with some grand plan or some sort of conspiracy show where things have to play out. It's a standard murder investigation. It's not like something is going to happen in season 2 to make all of the silly red herrings and BS somehow make sense or be better.)


>"Fixing their mistakes" is a cute, consumer-ist talking way of
>trying to make them accomodate the audience, because the
>audience has seemingly pointed out every flaw in how they're
>choosing to tell their story. And it assumes that the people
>in charge don't know what they want to do, when the opposite
>is pretty clear.

Most critics and even die hard fans admit that the season did not end well. To argue that they didn't make mistakes is ridiculous IMO. And again, it's clear that the people in charge had an idea of how to tell the story. An idea that hasn't worked so far. I'm not sure why I should have faith in it or why I would think there was something that would have made season 1 suddenly seem better.

>And yes, they're fully aware that if the audience doesn't care
>about the story being told that they'll be out of a job.
>Clearly, this is not a major concern, nor should it be.

It also assumes that the story they are telling is the best and they shouldn't listen to anyone else, which is the pride that goeth before their seemingly inevitable fall.

To act like these guys are making some sort of high art is laughable. A) The show is just a standard detective show with top notch production value and some strong acting; they aren't breaking any new ground with it.
B) It's a REMAKE! To act like they have some grand plan that can't be changed when they're just redoing a show that was already done better is kind of ridiculous.

And seriously, reread the tone of your post. How can you wonder why people accuse you of snobbery when you write like that?

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325. "The point is, you don't have to like my tone, or Veena's, either."
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>I'm not sure how you can say that it's clear that the people
>in charge know what they want to do when we've been told
>pretty much every possible option: Rosie's killer will be
>revealed in season 1, Rosie's killer will be revealed early in
>season 2, Rosie's killer won't be revealed until the end of
>season 2.

Who, exactly told you this? AMC? AMC's ad department?

>"We knew from the very beginning we didn't want to do a formula cop show. In the original Danish series, as you might be aware, the investigation lasted for 20 episodes. There are pieces of that show that I think we still need to tell and to use, and are great.... From the very beginning, there was a long long long discussion with all the partners in 'The Killing.'

We never said you'll get closure at the end of season 1. We said from the very beginning this is the anti-cop cop show. It's a show where nothing is what it seems, so throw out expectations. We will not tie up this show in a bow. There are plenty of shows that do that, in 45 minutes or whatever amount of time, where that is expected and the audience can rest assured that at the end of blank, they will be happy and they can walk away from their TV satisfied. This is not that show.

I can tell you there will be a resolution to this investigation in season 2 and there will also be the emergence of another case in season 2, but I can't tell you specifically where either of those happen.

The other thing I just want to say is that the show itself is a real invitation to try something really new. And I know that some people may not be so happy that we didn't tie it up in a bow at the end of the season, but we never promised that, and we're trying to do something different here."

- Veena Sud

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/interview-the-killing-showrunner-veena-sud-on-the-season-finale


>This isn't pay cable. The people who write the checks that
>matter are the advertisers. And they want an audience. And
>when you piss off a majority of your fans and supporters and
>turn around and say, "You know what, we know better. Our shit
>was what we wanted and that's all that matters." then at the
>very least you should own up to the fact that you are coming
>off as snobbish and high and mighty.

No. For now, whether you guys like it or not, it appears the game plan is still in place. Veena Sud has acknowledged looking at the feedback for season 1. She's soldiering on with what she wants to do for season 2. She doesn't have to adjust a fucking thing if she doesn't have to. And it appears that she doesn't have to. So she won't. Especially when she never said that she was going to give the audience what it wanted in the first place.

Y'all kill me with this notion that, because the story didn't unfold the way you wanted it to, that the person in charge is supposed to fall on their sword and Mea Culpa and then turn around and appease you.

And this is not about being "high and mighty," either. She has a game plan, and is executing it. For now, the network, and the advertisers, are supporting her. You guys don't like it, turn the channel. Y'all continue to miss this, on some "we, the people" bullshit. This isn't writing by committee. This isn't writing to please the critics and/or mystery lovers in the audience, or to juice the ratings, or satisfy the advertisers. Why this is not clear to some of the more disgruntled fans of the show is beyond me.

And I'm still trying to figure out how "She's the show runner, it's her vision and the network digs it, deal with it" is somehow more arrogant than, "The show sucks, she needs to fix it now or get fired, they owe us."


>(Also, this isn't Lost with some grand plan or some sort of
>conspiracy show where things have to play out. It's a standard
>murder investigation. It's not like something is going to
>happen in season 2 to make all of the silly red herrings and
>BS somehow make sense or be better.)


>"The other thing, too, I want to remind our readers is that every episode is one day. This season 1 is 13 days in a high-profile murder investigation. And for the most part, most high-profile investigations don't get solved in 13 days."

- Veena Sud, June 2011

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/interview-the-killing-showrunner-veena-sud-on-the-season-finale


>"On her first day, Sud arrived at the Glendale, California, writers’ room super-prepared, having written back and forward stories for the characters, knowing the story arcs, and with a firm calendar. 'A lot of what we do is pure art from our heart, but in order to have the latitude to go to those places, you have to have structure,” Sud believes. 'It’s fair to the writers.'

The calendar was a tactic she picked up first through WGAW’s Showrunner Training Program and then used on Cold Case. (Nicole) Yorkin, a Showrunner Program founder, had been impressed with Sud when she met her in the program’s initial 2006 class. Years later on The Killing writing staff, Yorkin’s even more impressed: 'She had it completely scheduled out in a way I’ve never seen with another showrunner. She knew on what day we’d be talking about what character. She knew on what day, six weeks in the future, we’d be breaking what episode. She
had it completely structured so there was no chance we’d ever fall behind or not have something ready on time. Having showrun ourselves,
that’s a pretty daunting task.'"

- Written By article on Veena Sud, January 2012


>Most critics and even die hard fans admit that the season did
>not end well. To argue that they didn't make mistakes is
>ridiculous IMO. And again, it's clear that the people in
>charge had an idea of how to tell the story. An idea that
>hasn't worked so far. I'm not sure why I should have faith in
>it or why I would think there was something that would have
>made season 1 suddenly seem better.

This is the path she wanted to go down. You don't change it up because people are allegedly mad and disgruntled and trying to find new and creative ways to say "They owe us" by talking about how it's not pay cable and how they have a responsibility to advertisers and any other clap trap that's really just a cover for "They owe us."

I'm going to repeat this one more time, and it's going to come off "high and mighty," but I really don't give a shit: these people don't owe you a goddamn thing. If you don't like the direction that the story's going, or keep hoping and praying for someone to fall on their sword and make the show you think they should be making, instead of the one they've been put in charge of making -- and the one that they want to make -- then you can change the channel. It's as simple as that. No, guys, it really is. Cease and desist all the bullshit talk that alludes to advertisers and "responsibility" and jobs being lost.

Wait, let's talk about this "but the advertisers cut the checks and if you piss people off..." notion for a second. The advertisers know in advance what show they're signing up for, then "cut the checks" accordingly. I know this because I'm currently dealing with it now. And we're not on pay cable, either.

When's the last time you've heard a story about an advertiser pulling its ads from a show because the fans of said show were not happy with the creative direction of that show?

Go ahead, I'll wait.

You hear about advertisers pulling ads from shows because of objectionable/controversial content. Or because the ad rate set by the network is too high for their blood. Or because it was the wrong audience for that show. You NEVER hear about an advertiser pulling from a show because they didn't like how the story was unfolding. Advertisers don't get to fucking dictate to the show runners and the writers room how the story should be told, which is the implication whenever someone waxes poetic about the "responsibility" the show has to its advertisers.

No.

And even if it happens/has happened, you can bet your ass that another advertiser will happily step in and fill that slot.

It's not pay cable, but it's not network TV either, and to act like that's the standard (when, again, advertisers to my knowledge have never pulled ads because they didn't agree with the creative direction of a show, much less a serialized one) is, in your words, laughable.

In the future, just fall back on "They owe us" and be done with it. That's more honest.


>It also assumes that the story they are telling is the best
>and they shouldn't listen to anyone else, which is the pride
>that goeth before their seemingly inevitable fall.

Oh, Jesus Christ on a fucking stick. More thinly-veiled "this could cost them their jobs if they don't listen to the audience!!!!!" talk.

If there's a problem with the creative content of the show, do you know who will tell them about it? The network. Specifically, the executives in charge of the show. So far, they don't seem to have a problem with the content of the show. So, Veena Sud and company will proceed as planned with telling the story the way they want to. With or without your support.

Miss me with this "she's not listening to anybody and arrogantly going forward with this sucky bullshit and it's gonna cost her her job if she's not careful" shit.

In the future, just fall back on "They owe us" and be done with it. That's more honest.


>To act like these guys are making some sort of high art is
>laughable.

It's not about "making some sort of high art." It's about telling a story that the people in charge want to tell. And it's really about the audience losing this fucking "They owe us" mentality.

Y'all are so fucking mad at what I'm saying that the message is not being understood.

The X-Files aired for 9 years, telling the same cryptic, "answer a mystery with another mystery" stories up until the very end. Advertisers stuck to that show like flies on shit, even as the ratings fluctuated. Sure, people were pissed at Chris Carter, but did you ever hear about advertisers being soooooo mad that they'd take their ball and go home because they were frustrated with the creative direction of that show? No, you never did. So this idea that, hey, if the people in charge don't listen to their customers the advertisers are gonna be really really mad is fantasy TV watcher bullshit. I'm sorry, but it just is.

And people don't have to agree with what Veena's doing creatively. They can be flat-out pissed about it. Fine. Just say that. Don't try to fucking couch it in fake concern about her job, or try to talk about how many advertisers the show is going to lose because of her allegedly bad decisions.


>A) The show is just a standard detective show with
>top notch production value and some strong acting; they aren't
>breaking any new ground with it.

Oh, now it's the "cmon it's a simple show" argument. Veena Sud is clearly not interested in that. If that offends you and half of America, as it apparently did, y'all are certainly welcome to change the channel. And quit side-worrying about her employment status.

And if you want to complain that I'm just being a dick by dismissing the complaints... well, yes, I am, in fact, doing that. You know why? Because, with all of the pissing and moaning and YouTube links, guess what, pissed off The Killing viewers? You're getting more of the same shit you complained and bitched about for season 2!


>B) It's a REMAKE! To act like they have some grand plan that
>can't be changed when they're just redoing a show that was
>already done better is kind of ridiculous.

And now we get the "cmon it's a remake, just make the show like it was over there!" argument. Again, as she has stated above, she's not interested in that. If that offends you and half of America, y'all are certainly welcome to change the channel. Or go rent the original series and marvel at just how more superior it is to this "wannabe high art" bullshit.


>And seriously, reread the tone of your post. How can you
>wonder why people accuse you of snobbery when you write like
>that?

I answered this in the subject line. I'm not here to soothe anybody's feelings or cosign the outrage or tell them something they want to hear. I'm just going to have to be the asshole on this one, gang.

If a show runner -- the person that the network has complete and total faith in to tell a story -- tells you guys, "hey, you know what, I'm aware that there are some unhappy campers out there, but that said, this is the game plan going forward," and you dudes continue bitching and moaning and pissing and "it's not high art!!!!" and "listen to the advertisers or lose your job!!!!!" and (insert YouTube church link here to signal agreement) and "They owe us" about it, instead of changing the channel to something more to your liking, I'm going to say something about it, and it most likely won't be pleasing to read. And the stuff that I'm telling you isn't made up or pulled out of my allegedly arrogant ass, either.


>"I heard John Wells say something really smart, many years ago. He said, 'Assume your audience is really intelligent. Assume that they are really smart, and tell your story that way.' So, for me, it’s about never assuming that they will go away because they’re not entertained. We read novels. We read hundreds of pages of words, when the story is good because we’re willing to stay there. I hope the story is good. I’m going into this venture thinking that the audience is really smart and really wants to hear all the nuances of what we’re saying."

- Veena Sud, March 2011

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>"There were other things on (Sud's) mind too that included not 'overselling' the story, as she put it.

'I wanted to tell The Killing with the rhythm and tones of everyday life, the hesitations, and the silences, and the not-knowing-what-to-say. The messiness and unstructured way of people that I think sometimes we aren't encouraged to do in TV. We are encouraged to connect the dots with straight lines, and not take detours or go off on tangents that are messy and nonlinear.'

'The Killing' was her first adaptation. Feeling a responsibility to the Danish series, she still wanted to bring her own vision, tempered by her primary influences: David Simon's writing on The Wire, Tom Fontana's on Homicide, and Linda LaPlante's Prime Suspect - 'Writers who were economical, and smart, and never pandered to an audience.'"

- Veena Sud, in Written By magazine, January 2012


>"If we had to do something differently, we would have taken a different approach with respect to managing expectations with what was going to happen in the season.

It was never intentionally meant to mislead people. Our goal was to create a brilliant - if I can be so humble - piece of character-based storytelling, mixed with a genre we all love, the murder mystery, and try to do something different. We definitely didn't manage expectations the way they should have been managed. (Showrunner) Veena Sud has an incredible vision for that show."

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326. "Yet when people tell you they don't like your tone, you get upset."
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>Y'all kill me with this notion that, because the story didn't
>unfold the way you wanted it to, that the person in charge is
>supposed to fall on their sword and Mea Culpa and then turn
>around and appease you.

It's not that it didn't play out the way people wanted, it's that it quite simply wasn't good at the end. Twin Peaks pissed some people off by not outing the killer at the end of the season but the first season, top to bottom, was great so while people were annoyed, they still loved the show. The same can't be said for The Killing. It started off well and then fell off. To act like it's some amazing show that people only don't like because they didn't out the killer at the end of season one is simply false.


>And I'm still trying to figure out how "She's the show runner,
>it's her vision and the network digs it, deal with it" is
>somehow more arrogant than, "The show sucks, she needs to fix
>it now or get fired, they owe us."

Another in a long line of strawmen. When did people say "they owe us?"
And your tone was far more arrogant than what you wrote there. You write in a haughty tone and then get upset when people call you a snob.
You don't have to be "the asshole on this one." You could just state your point in a non-obnoxious manner and people wouldn't think you were coming off like a dick.

But since that seems to be the route you're choosing, no reason to try to continue this.

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327. "Yeah, we'll just leave it here, then."
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I didn't "get upset" at all. That's you and this focus on my "snobbery."

You're not apparently interested in the facts of this situation, shit that I laid out with quotes to back my shit up. No, instead you want to take shit personally and put the focus on me while playing cute word games ("it's another strawman!!!!!"/"why why I never said that!!!!!") and my alleged assholic posting style. So, yeah, this discussion is pretty much over. Agree to disagree, or whatever the fuck.

Continue to enjoy bitching about something you guys can't change. I'll be sure to post the news of the premiere date of The Killing season 2 when we get it.

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328. "Sorry, I can't let this shit slide."
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The snobbery came up because you wrote the snobby post about how people said you were a snob (Post 319). You tried to say "I told you so" about something that people weren't focusing on nor was the "I told you so" the reason that people thought you came off like a prick.

I tried to explain why people thought you were coming off like a snob and why they didn't like the show (which wasn't focused as much on the fact that they didn't out the killer as it did the fact that the show got worse with most every episode) and you then threw out a lengthy post in which you a) said people don't have to like your tone, b) that your tone isn't worse than anyone else's, c) that you'll have to be the asshole in this one. So basically, it doesn't matter if you're an asshole but you're not really an asshole but you're gonna be an asshole and you're the victim because people think you're an asshole.

And outside of the first quote, almost all of your "facts" had nothing to do with the actual points being made. Yes, this is only day 13 of the investigation. That has nothing to do with my (and most others') point that the problem with the show is that the second half was lackluster. Regardless of planning, it's not like something is going to happen in season 2 that makes those shows better.
Again, Lost threw out question after question so while some of the shows were frustrating, the hopes were that the questions would be answered and people could go back and look at those episodes in a new light. It is highly doubtful that something is going to turn this show around in such a way that the shitty moments, the ridiculous police work of the lead character and her the pointless threats to leave town and boring family drama will suddenly be a revelation. It's not like something's going to happen and people will say, "Oh man, now all that boring shit at the end of season 1 is AMAZING!"
The comments you posted had to do with the complaints of the lack of closure. It had nothing to do with what most people cited as problematic with the show.

That is why I didn't address most of your quotes because they were completely off point. You cry about people mentioning straw men with you or that you are arguing against things they didn't say but that's because you CONSTANTLY do that. You're the worst offender of that on this board. And then when people call you on your shit, you play the victim, just like you're doing now (and like you did in the initial post.)

And I'm sure that you'll accuse me of making this all personal but, again, it was YOUR INITIAL POST that played the victim card and I was just trying to explain what people were really upset about and why your comments and their tone got the reaction that they did. If you don't want people talking to you personally, then don't throw the victim card up. Make an argument that the second half of the season was strong and why it was entertaining and how the episodes didn't get worse as the season went on. To say, "But she has a plan" doesn't further that side of the debate. I'm not even sure it's an argument of any sort unless (and I doubt you're saying this) the argument is somehow that because she has a plan and is sticking to it, people shouldn't complain that the show isn't good.

And she can say she's breaking ground all she wants but that doesn't mean she is. Quoting someone saying how great they are isn't a "fact" (especially when it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.)

In the end, it seems like Sud isn't saying, "Yeah, the people are pissed but don't worry, they'll come around." It seems like you and she are saying, "Yeah, the people are pissed but I want to do it this way so fuck them." Again, I think that's the pride that goeth before the fall when you're working on non-pay TV. This isn't to say that the showrunner should do whatever the viewer says or that they are owed something; it's just to say that when most of the people watching your show says the shit stinks, your response shouldn't be a knee jerk "Nu-uh, my shit doesn't stink."

But whatever, I quit wasting my time with this show before the end of last season because I saw this coming; no reason to waste any more time on it.

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324. "RE: Or, it's a game plan that they're sticking to"
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/magazine/veena-sud-the-killing-comeback.html?src=twr

Can ‘The Killing’ Make a Comeback?
By ADAM STERNBERGH

In an ideal world — or, at least, in Veena Sud’s ideal world — we would be talking about her history as a Hemingway-loving women’s-studies major at Columbia, or the time she took a master class with Spike Lee at N.Y.U. film school, or her years as a gloomy loner growing up in Cincinnati, reading “Helter Skelter” and wearing a Jennifer Beals perm — anything, basically, other than the ending of the first season of the show she created for AMC, “The Killing,” and why so many people hated it so much.

When “The Killing” had its premiere last spring, it seemed, at first glance, like a slick and intriguing spin on the cop procedural: a moody murder mystery set in rainy Seattle, based on “Forbrydelsen,” a moody murder mystery set in Denmark. The show’s tagline, in a self-conscious echo of “Twin Peaks,” was “Who Killed Rosie Larsen?” And most of the show’s loyal viewers, after sticking it out through an up-and-down first season, assumed the season finale would answer that question.

It didn’t. Instead, the finale offered a last-second switcheroo that was intended to prod viewers toward Season 2, but that instead prodded them toward their computers, where they howled in rage.

Here is Maureen Ryan, TV critic for The Huffington Post: “YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME.” Here is Alan Sepinwall, influential critic for Hitfix.com: “This will be the last review I write of ‘The Killing,’ because this will be the last time I watch ‘The Killing.’ ” Here is James Poniewozik, TV critic at Time: “I no longer counsel patience with ‘The Killing’! You may unlock the toolshed and get the pitchforks!”

And those are the professionals. The amateurs were somewhat less kind.

So that’s how we found ourselves, Veena Sud and I, having dinner on Valentine’s Day in a hotel in Vancouver, where she was working on an episode for “The Killing,” Season 2. A publicist from AMC was also seated at our table, giving the proceedings the air of a slightly hostile Senate subcommittee hearing. And, sure enough, Sud reacted to questions about the finale of “The Killing” with the defensive mien of a politician hoping to weather a stubborn scandal. “We set out from the very beginning to do something different,” she said. “Sometimes that worked. Sometimes things about it didn’t work.”

This is a variation on the response that Sud and AMC have stuck to since last season, when AMC found itself in the awkward position of having to mollify furious fans while not explicitly admitting to any wrongdoing. As Charlie Collier, the president of AMC, said in a kind of pseudo-apology to angry viewers a week after the finale: “If I could do anything differently, it would be to manage expectations.”

As Joel Stillerman, head of original programming for AMC, told the Television Critics Association gathering in Los Angeles in July: “If we had to do anything differently, I think we would certainly have taken a different approach with respect to managing the expectations of what was going to happen within that season.”

As Sud said to me in Vancouver: “I was definitely surprised by the level of expectation of closure. I didn’t expect the expectation.”

The real problem for AMC, though, is not that it angered its audience. Audience-angering has happened before. (The finales of “Seinfeld,” “Lost” and “The Sopranos” were all met with degrees of bewilderment and displeasure — no doubt there was some furious faction somewhere when “Bewitched” swapped out Dick York for Dick Sargent.) The real problem for AMC is that “The Killing” has aggrieved exactly the kind of viewers that it most wants to entice.

Not long ago, TV was a relatively simple three-legged stool: you had creators, you had critics and you had viewers, i.e. the passive, Nielsen-monitored masses. But the Internet, and specifically social media sites, has served as a kind of electrocharged amniotic fluid for the gestation of a powerful fourth entity: what I’ll call the superviewer. These people are engaged, passionate and vocal, an online jumble of professional critics and opinionated amateurs who gather together to watch and discuss and dissect their favorite shows. Early fan forums like Television Without Pity gave these viewers a voice; now sites like Twitter have given them a megaphone.

Superviewers can’t make or break a show — if they could, “Community” would be the highest-rated TV show in the history of ever. But they do influence programming, particularly on cable, where intangibles like buzz can be as crucial as overall viewer numbers. HBO, for example, recently canceled several series — “Bored to Death,” “How to Make It in America” and “Hung” — while sparing another one, “Enlightened,” despite it’s being the lowest-rated of the bunch. This was in part because those other shows had not generated the kind of significant fan engagement or critical support that can lead to award consideration. They had not, in short, earned the passion of the superviewers.

For AMC, the calculus is slightly altered — unlike HBO, AMC sells ads against its shows, so it values ratings in a different way. Still, its hits, like “Mad Men,” “Breaking Bad” and “The Walking Dead,” are among the most superviewer-friendly on TV. Thanks to the communal nature of social media and “its ability to metastasize, you have to take that stuff seriously,” Stillerman told me. “You want those early responses to be positive — and help guide the rest of the responses.” At first, “The Killing” offered that kind of viral potential, sparking a mini-phenomenon of live-tweeting and parlor-game guessing. Then the superviewers turned on the show. It didn’t help that, in interviews after the finale, Sud suggested that her show was a “holistic journey” and that disgruntled fans might be happier watching something not quite so sophisticated. “The irony is that these are exactly the kind of viewers networks are trying to engage,” Maureen Ryan told me. “And that’s great. Go after them. Just know that, if you disappoint them, that’s the worst thing that can happen to your show.”

In advance of the second season, AMC has tried to court back these fans, or at least placate them. “We had an interesting case study on ‘The Killing,’ ” Stillerman said, “where we had a very vocal group of people telling us something that, frankly, we listened to. We’ve even gone so far, in one of the more surreal moments in television programming history, as to literally let our audience know when they’re going to find out who the killer is.” (NONSPOILER ALERT: The final episode of Season 2.)

But will the superviewers come back? “I’ll take a look at a couple of episodes,” says Sepinwall, who publicly swore off the show. “Sometimes shows learn, and sometimes they don’t.” The premiere, on April 1, should reveal whether “The Killing” can stagger back to life after being gang-stomped by the Internet. Either way, though, the moral for TV creators is clear. Expect the expectation.

  

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331. "It doesn't seem like they learned anything"
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The epitath for this show when the second season fails (and it will) will inevitably be "People got pissed that they didn't tell us who killed Rosie Larsen at the end of Season 1." No, season one of the show failed because it was BAD TV. And yet, here they are, still talking about how their one mistake was not managing expectations.

Again, I don't really care if they told us who did it at the end of last season or not. It is possible that they could not have resolved the mystery and still made a compelling case to watch season 2. Well, they failed. The Season 1 finale sucked and only succeeded in making the faults of the rest of the season more glaring. It left me no reason to care who the killer is or care about the vast majority of the characters on the show. Why would I want to subject myself to more bullshit for another season?

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332. "naw this shit was D.O.A....lol"
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