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"25th hour dvd comes out tuesday"


          


* Commentary by director Spike Lee
* Commentary by writer/author David Benioff
* Deleted scenes
* "The Evolution of an American Filmmaker" featurette
* "Ground Zero: A Tribute"
* Widescreen anamorphic format

i'll finally get to study this movie, because i really didnt get it the first time.

antwone fisher and adapatation comes out too..heard they were good, but i never saw them.

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already shipped :)
May 18th 2003
1
RE: already shipped :)
May 21st 2003
29
RE: antwone fisher and adapatation comes out too
May 18th 2003
2
I am not a big spender in the DVD department
May 18th 2003
3
rent this one
May 18th 2003
4
RE: would consider He Got Game first
May 18th 2003
8
And the week after...
May 18th 2003
5
wait on adaptation (see above)
May 18th 2003
9
Hable Con Ella
May 19th 2003
17
      RE: Hable Con Ella
May 19th 2003
18
           RE: Hable Con Ella
May 19th 2003
21
                RE: Hable Con Ella
May 20th 2003
25
                i liked it
May 22nd 2003
49
Yes, I've been waiting....
May 18th 2003
6
ill be coppin it
May 18th 2003
7
what didnt you get about it?
May 18th 2003
10
i can usually follow spike's themes
May 18th 2003
11
RE: i can usually follow spike's themes
May 18th 2003
12
read the book.
May 18th 2003
13
Thank goodness for Spiderman
May 21st 2003
31
      I was wondering why the fuck
May 22nd 2003
41
Fucking great movie
May 21st 2003
38
      I Have a Question that has been driving me crazy
May 22nd 2003
39
           RE: I Have a Question that has been driving me crazy
May 22nd 2003
50
                RE: I Have a Question that has been driving me crazy
May 23rd 2003
51
                     nhoJ
May 23rd 2003
52
RE: 25th hour dvd comes out tuesday
May 18th 2003
14
nah...bamboozled has excellent commentary.
May 19th 2003
15
too bad all of his stuff wasn't new line cinema.
May 19th 2003
16
      RE: too bad all of his stuff wasn't new line cinema.
May 19th 2003
20
      I will wait very very long
May 30th 2003
67
RE: 25th hour dvd comes out tuesday
May 19th 2003
19
      Spike's commentary was shit
Jun 05th 2003
73
Good movie
May 19th 2003
22
you know what was different
May 21st 2003
32
The Transfer is ASS
May 20th 2003
23
RE: The Transfer is ASS
May 20th 2003
24
i copped it..
May 21st 2003
26
I think that's overstatement
May 22nd 2003
40
      RE: I think that's overstatement
May 22nd 2003
44
      perhaps
May 22nd 2003
48
saw it last night
May 21st 2003
27
mine is in the mail
May 21st 2003
28
saw it for the 1st time yesterday
May 21st 2003
30
Barry Pepper and Rosario Dawson
May 21st 2003
33
preach it
May 21st 2003
34
RE: BP
May 22nd 2003
45
RE: Barry Pepper and Rosario Dawson
May 21st 2003
35
      RE: Barry Pepper and Rosario Dawson
May 21st 2003
36
           Brian Cox...
May 21st 2003
37
help me understand one scene
May 22nd 2003
42
desperation...
May 22nd 2003
43
RE: Barry brawlin n bawlin
May 22nd 2003
46
      he *did* want to beat him up
May 25th 2003
55
           i also think
May 25th 2003
56
           RE: I disagree
May 30th 2003
62
Much better the 2nd time around
May 22nd 2003
47
Cosign
May 28th 2003
57
      the part in the car
May 29th 2003
58
           Maybe
May 29th 2003
59
                perhaps
May 29th 2003
61
                     RE: perhaps
May 30th 2003
69
Basically
May 25th 2003
53
upon further review
May 25th 2003
54
incredible movie
May 29th 2003
60
RE: Tony Sirigusa
May 30th 2003
63
RE: Sway
May 30th 2003
64
      i thought it would've made a great
May 30th 2003
66
oooooooooh that's a scary look
May 30th 2003
65
FUNNY YOU SHOULD SAY THAT!!!!
May 30th 2003
68
      great points
May 30th 2003
70
      Yes. Also...
May 30th 2003
71
           RE: Yes. Also...
May 30th 2003
72
      well kinda
Jun 05th 2003
74
what about a sequel?
Jun 05th 2003
75

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1. "already shipped :)"
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looking forward to the commentary, though i wish norton & spike would've done it together.

  

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29. "RE: already shipped :)"
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same here. got antwone fisher, 25th hour, red dragon as well.


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2. "RE: antwone fisher and adapatation comes out too"
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"" was a great film. i'd buy that before "".

• Commentary by director Denzel Washington and producer Todd Black
• "Meeting Antwone Fisher" featurette
• "The Making of Antwone Fisher" behind-the-scenes featurette
• "Hollywood and the Navy" featurette
• Widescreen anamorphic format

as for "", i'll pass for now. why? zero extras...

  

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3. "I am not a big spender in the DVD department"
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I only have about 15.

should I rent it or buy it cause I haven't seen it yet. I am a big Spike fan but would consider He Got Game first since I haven't seen 25th hour yet

  

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4. "rent this one"
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this one caught me off guard, and i have yet to grasp it.

im gonna buy it though cuz im a big spike fan myself, and im giving him the benefit of the doubt. i need to watch this again, and then listen to his commentary as well...maybe he will adress some of the problems i had with it.

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8. "RE: would consider He Got Game first"
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hold out on "he got game."

if i remember correctly, there were no extras... i think buena vista even released it non-anamorphic.

in other words, someday it'll be released with extras... i still haven't seen it because of this.

  

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5. "And the week after..."
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...We got Hable Con Ella.

So in the next couple weeks I have to pay for Adaptation, 25th Hour, Hable Con Ella.

Fuck. I need more money. I guess I should kill someone's grandma and take her jewelry.

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9. "wait on adaptation (see above)"
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you'll want to wait on "adaptation." (see above.)

at least with "talk to her" you get a commentary track by the director...

  

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17. "Hable Con Ella"
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??

I must have slept through that one. What is it?

  

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18. "RE: Hable Con Ella"
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>??
>
>I must have slept through that one. What is it?

talk to her by pedro almodavar (pardon if i mispelled it...)

  

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21. "RE: Hable Con Ella"
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I mean is it a must see?

  

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25. "RE: Hable Con Ella"
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>I mean is it a must see?

i don't know, i haven't seen it

  

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49. "i liked it"
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aldomovar is really becoming a master of his craft

  

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6. "Yes, I've been waiting...."
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forever.....

  

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7. "ill be coppin it"
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dope flick.

  

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10. "what didnt you get about it?"
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i noticed it was very new york-centric... is that what made it confusing for some people?

You know, we could all be reading a book right now.

  

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11. "i can usually follow spike's themes"
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but this one..it bothered me...

something about norton and the whole thing about not being able to survive in prison...as if its not meant for 'them'..because its a place full of animals (read:us)...and 'they' are not suppossed to be in places like that...

i dont know..i really just need to watch it again i think.

the sappy patriotic them bothered me too, but i cannot discount that spike, along with being a black man, a brilliant mind, and an excellent filmmaker, is also a new yorker...so i think i can let that slide.

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12. "RE: i can usually follow spike's themes"
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>something about norton and the whole thing about not being
>able to survive in prison...as if its not meant for
>'them'..because its a place full of animals (read:us)...and
>'they' are not suppossed to be in places like that...

I really think you misread this. Ed Norton was a skinny regular joe prettyboy who's just not built for prison. He'll likely end up as someones bitch. In fact more than likely that someone will be Aryan.

  

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13. "read the book."
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i sort of did this in reverse - saw the movie then i read the book. doing so gave me a better understanding of what spike was trying to accomplish with the film.

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31. "Thank goodness for Spiderman"
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Originally Tobey McGuire was offered the part but it conflicted with Spiderman so he took an executive producer role instead. Can you imagine Toby in Norton's role?


>but this one..it bothered me...
>
>something about norton and the whole thing about not being
>able to survive in prison...as if its not meant for
>'them'..because its a place full of animals (read:us)...and
>'they' are not suppossed to be in places like that...


  

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41. "I was wondering why the fuck"
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he was in the producer credits...

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38. "Fucking great movie"
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I just watched it. Awesome, awesome, awesome. The continuity was still there, the trademark shots, and... just beautiful. I pretty much ignored Rosario Dawson beforehand. Someone said that she *isn't* normally like this, so are there any movies where she is, or has she not developed as well?

I also like Spike's tendency to be open-ended in many of his films, and yet you know it is "the end". I remember reading the book for "Do The Right Thing" where he specifically stated in his contract that there would never be a part 2, and I would assume that this applies to most if not all of his films.


Didn't someone say that his movies are generally too New York-centric? What's wrong with that? Spike Lee is a man that represents his home in much of his work. Even if most people cannot understand some of the ins and outs of NYC, there is an appreciation for the place that gave him his roots. Good or bad, it doesn't matter.


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39. "I Have a Question that has been driving me crazy"
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When he wrote his name on the window and the Camera focused on the visibility of his name over his face for a few minutes what did that symbolize. My guess is he finally discovered who he is through that dream sequence....the genuine Irish kid from Brooklyn that should have continued playing High School ball and getting an education versus the fast talking drug dealer that sent him up the river. My only flip to that I am confused about is all the people he grew up with took that other role but are still corrupt in their daily lives....I guess I need to see it again.

  

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50. "RE: I Have a Question that has been driving me crazy"
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The guilt of the world, and the innocence of writing your name on a window. Young kid writing his name, with no guilt. Older man writing his name, with all the shame in the world. Inside looking out, outside looking in.


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51. "RE: I Have a Question that has been driving me crazy"
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exactly thus explains why the childs' name appeared backwards

  

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52. "nhoJ"
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Well, most kids will write their names as they see it, not realizing that the person on the other side will see it backwards.

Nevermind, that was kinda pointless.


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14. "RE: 25th hour dvd comes out tuesday"
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Outside of the Criterion release, is this the first Spike Lee film on DVD to be packed with the goods?

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15. "nah...bamboozled has excellent commentary."
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16. "too bad all of his stuff wasn't new line cinema."
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like bamboozled, everything would've been feature packed... oh well :\

i'll be waiting to buy "jungle fever" and "mo better blues" when they re-release it remastered for anamorphic televisions...

  

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20. "RE: too bad all of his stuff wasn't new line cinema."
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>i'll be waiting to buy "jungle fever" and "mo better blues"
>when they re-release it remastered for anamorphic
>televisions...

I want all of his movies done Criterion-style. I have the first batch of books Spike Lee did that were diaries for his movies, and it gave me a different perspective when I went back to watch them, especially "School Daze" and "Malcolm X". Before there were DVD's, you'd have to watch all the interviews (not an easy thing when all you had was HBO and Cinemax) or hunt down the books, which I did.

I also would like to see his early films, as well as a compilation of his music videos, with commentary.


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67. "I will wait very very long"
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But some day there will be a Spike Lee collection box set. and it will be good.

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19. "RE: 25th hour dvd comes out tuesday"
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The Spike Lee commentary for the most part deals with technical camera oriented lingo. Some insight into the movie is given and how the movie is mostly based from the book, but the commentary isn't too exciting. One good thing about Lee's commentary is how he highlights the musical selections in the movie. Haven't listened to the screenwriter's commentary, so I can't comment on that. The footage from Ground Zero is pretty nice.

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73. "Spike's commentary was shit"
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While Benioffs was half-way OK.
Nothing to get excited about though.

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22. "Good movie"
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but if I had to choose one DVD, I would buy Antwoine Fisher first. 25th Hour was different from your typical Spike Lee flick.

somehow I always find my self standing alone thats why I stand on my own.

  

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32. "you know what was different"
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First off Antoine fisher was amazing, but so was this tough call.

Here's what's missing I think it was the first Spike Lee film I have ever seen where he didn't take some kind of small role in the movie. I miss him popping up unexpectedly. Like when he played the reporter in Summer of Sam or the Free Baser in Crooklyn.

  

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23. "The Transfer is ASS"
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I'm not one that is a techie as far as DVD goes. Usually, if I can see the shit and hear it I'm good.

But this isn't gonna fly with me.
Not to mention the soundtrack is out of sync at points which I don't remember being the case from the theatrical release

I was really looking forward to this dvd and am disappointed with it. Not to mention they opted out of using the great poster as the cover for the dvd. But now i'm just nitpicking

I'm really upset about the video quality of the transfer on this one. See the scene outside the club for a key example.

Thank god for the fact the film is brilliant and it two commentaries

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24. "RE: The Transfer is ASS"
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Unfortunately the movie didn't open locally. I did rent it, and I will check it out later today.


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26. "i copped it.."
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but have yet to watch it...this dissappoints me..to say the least...

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40. "I think that's overstatement"
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The first scene is suffering from some intense graininess, but other than that it's on par with most releases these days. It's not the definitive DVD transfer, but it's hardly distracting and works well for the movie.

Shit, it ain't no Reservoir Dogs.

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44. "RE: I think that's overstatement"
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>The first scene is suffering from some intense graininess

Thats how it was in the theatre also.

Not sure why they had Norton mean-muggin on the cover of the DVD tho. He's not really a tuff guy in this flick @ all.

  

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48. "perhaps"
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ok, granted i was a little worked up. but it deserved a better transfer. the first scene is intentionally grainy.

but i found the club exterior shot in the blue light was really distracting to me

on a positive note, the documentary is pretty damn solid

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27. "saw it last night"
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IMO his best movie.

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28. "mine is in the mail"
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30. "saw it for the 1st time yesterday"
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I dug it. Everytime I watch a Spike Lee Joint, I remember halfway thru the movie that his movies are very unconventional. I love that about him. I'm gonna watch it again tonight, and maybe with the commentary on Thursday b4 it has to go back. A definite purchase though....

  

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33. "Barry Pepper and Rosario Dawson"
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I've seen spike bring Rosario out of her shell, she was the shit as LaLa in He Got Game and she did it again. But damn Barry Pepper stole the show, his acting was so precision.

  

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34. "preach it"
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I love this movie, but BP kills it !

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45. "RE: BP"
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>I love this movie, but BP kills it !

Cosign. He's on point w/ each & every one of his lines. Hoffman is perfect in his role as well.

  

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35. "RE: Barry Pepper and Rosario Dawson"
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I wasn't feeling Rosario particularly but at least she isn't given so much to do it becomes distracting. she's just clearly the weakest performer on screen.

barry pepper did some incredible work in this one

but for me, it's brian cox who stole the show. he's got like 5 minutes of screen time and other 5 in V.O. and in that little bit of time he adds so much to the picture.

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36. "RE: Barry Pepper and Rosario Dawson"
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yeah I have been a fan of Brian Cox ever since I saw L.I.E.

  

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37. "Brian Cox..."
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did hannibal better than hopkins... imho.

  

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42. "help me understand one scene"
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how did you interpret the scene where Ed Norton 'makes' Barry Pepper beat him up, and Barry is bawling? I just did not get that scene at all....tried to decide if it was symbolic or integral to the plot....

P.S. I liked how Monty's being a big baller was rather understated, yet if you had an eye for detail you could tell he was roll-ing. Ex. Coach leather furniture in the crib....ol girl's diamond bracelets...his classic hot rod...very nice touch and unstereotypical

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43. "desperation..."
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>how did you interpret the scene where Ed Norton 'makes'
>Barry Pepper beat him up, and Barry is bawling? I just did
>not get that scene at all....tried to decide if it was
>symbolic or integral to the plot....

Monty's logic was that if he went into prison beat up he wouldn't look so "pretty" to the other inmates thus maybe buying him a little time to find a way to not become someones bitch. He seemed to know deep down that it probably wouldn't work but I guess he figured it's worth a shot

  

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46. "RE: Barry brawlin n bawlin"
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He's crying cuz he knows his best friend is gettin ready 2 spend the next 7 years of his life in prison/hell. He doesnt know if he's ever gonna see him again. & then on top of that Monty provokes him 2 beat the shit outta him which he really never wanted 2 do in the 1st place. Quite an emotional thing 2 go thru if us ask me.

  

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55. "he *did* want to beat him up"
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that's why he's crying - it's an overwhelming mix of emotions.

on one hand, he obviously doesn't want to whip his best friend's ass, but on the other hand, all this shit monty's saying to provoke him is somewhat true. he's wanted to fuck naturelle since he first saw her and he's jealous that monty's been afforded such a nice lifestyle without having to work for it like he has.

mix that in with the fact that, while he's sad monty's going to jail, he kinda, in the back of his mind, thinks he deserves it.

  

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56. "i also think"
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that its just something you *have* to do for a 'friend'...their relationship is unique, he mentions he's known monty longer than any of the rest of them...and i look at the whole movie as a tale of the friendship of all of them...and everything that has been building up over the years coming to a head...there was probably more said and done that night than in all of the previous years of their friendship..combined even...

but the beatdown scene..again...along with the other things you mentioned..it was also done out of love..for a friend.

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62. "RE: I disagree"
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>that's why he's crying - it's an overwhelming mix of
>emotions.

I think he's crying cuz its a fucked up "favor" 2 ask from a friend. He did not want 2 beat Monty up.

>on one hand, he obviously doesn't want to whip his best
>friend's ass

of course not

but on the other hand, all this shit monty's
>saying to provoke him is somewhat true. he's wanted to fuck
>naturelle since he first saw her and he's jealous that
>monty's been afforded such a nice lifestyle without having
>to work for it like he has.

even so that aint enuff 2 make him wanna beat Monty up

>mix that in with the fact that, while he's sad monty's going
>to jail, he kinda, in the back of his mind, thinks he
>deserves it.

True he said that but I think he realizes that jail is bad enough. He even says, "What? U think if I give u a black eye they're not gonna mess w/ u in there?" & then asks Jake 2 help him out in explaining this irrational concept.


  

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47. "Much better the 2nd time around"
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for me at least

The first time I saw this I was really impressed by certain aspects of this movie (great performances, adressing 9/11, NYC) but somewhat dissapointed at it's lack of an actual plot

upon 2nd viewing knowing what to expect I loved it

I had the same experience with Chungking Express

  

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57. "Cosign"
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and I still love that last 35 minutes. Powerful.

But, Spike's commentary = zzzzzzzz.

Couldn't someone give him a line of coke or something to wake his ass up?

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58. "the part in the car"
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and the whole envisioning a way out deal dragged on to me. probably the only down point of the movie.

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59. "Maybe"
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you lack the intellectual context

>and the whole envisioning a way out deal dragged on to me.
>probably the only down point of the movie.

I am Bob George from India
and you are a fucking phony.

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61. "perhaps"
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or perhaps it was really just long.

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69. "RE: perhaps"
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yup. it was long.

And no, I'm not stupid.

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53. "Basically"
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Drug dealer...living it up...busted...Do the damn time already.

What's all the crying for?

  

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54. "upon further review"
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spike did a great job with this film. sometimes you have to look atthings minus the veil, and all the preconceived notions/expectations...im guilty of not being able to do that the first time...

i'll talk about some of teh little things that i picked up on in the movie, since most of this discussion has been about the major things...the reason why i like spike as a filmmaker is because he picks up and is able to capture some of the little things that humanizes his movies, as oppossed to a lot of filmmakers who seem to miss the boat..

1st..when natural walked into the bar to meet monty's friends, and the look that she got from everyone in the room, as well as the 'that slut' look she got from the bartender...that was golden...

2nd....immediately following that, the awkward momenmt when the bartender told the group...'you guys should come back for my birthday party on sunday'...and the enusing moment of awkwardness..you just dont see filmmakers concentrating on things like that

3rd..when they were all in the club sitting in the vip section talking, before kostya comes over...you can feel the friendship in the conversation they're having...and then kostya comes ove, and the dynamic of the conversation completely changes, as if a stranger has entered into the world of old friends...

i think spike did an excellent job...however, i never made the attachment of sympathy to monty...although i feel like i understood the film a lot more..i still dont think i connected with him...but in a way..i dont think thats necessarily what the film was aiming to do...

but yeah...im eating my words on this one..this one was good.

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60. "incredible movie"
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cant wait to see it again

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63. "RE: Tony Sirigusa"
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Nice 1st acting performance from a former football player. "They tell you this?"

& I love the deleted scene "Sway" where Barry Pepper sez, "Kobe & Shizaq in tha hizouse"

  

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64. "RE: Sway"
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yeah that's a great scene

  

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66. "i thought it would've made a great"
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trailer

it would've given nothing away about the film. set up the characters perfectly and created a major buzz

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65. "oooooooooh that's a scary look"
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*yikes*

  

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68. "FUNNY YOU SHOULD SAY THAT!!!!"
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saw it. loved it. i didn't have high expectations for this one, despite the caliber of director and actors. i mean i just never heard much buzz about this one, i guess it just stayed under my radar. couple questions:
•i've been trying to make a link between the opening dog scene and the scene where monty asks his best friend to beat him up for his own good.i know its there , someone help me out on this...
• then there's the obvious " so what happens in the end? does he go to jail or not?. I'm not gonna ask that. My question is was his father even really saying those things, or was Monty just sort of dreaming it. The movie ends with him sleeping in the car I believe.
•To anyone who has read the book, does the story continue beyond what the film covered?


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70. "great points"
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i hadn't made that connection between doyle and monty
i'll marinate on it

he went to jail. spike said it. the film says it

another point i hadn't considered. that would make it even more interesting. monty imagining all the things he wished his father would say.

that's why that final monologue strikes me and others who have absent fathers. it's all the things we wish our fathers would say to us. it's a lifetime of love wrapped into a 10-minute masterpiece of screenwriting.





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71. "Yes. Also..."
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I also didn't make that dog/Monty connection.

I always read the opening as some kind of statement on New York itself. Just the things Monty says (I don't remember exact dialogue, but it seemed like everything was about the dog "getting beat down, being left for dead, but still surviving") led me to believe that the opening was some kind of allegory for New York, post-9/11...

And of course, Spike "insomniac's delight" Lee doesn't really say. I didn't listen to the David Benioff commentary all the way through (this was a rental). Did he mention what it was supposed to mean? The only part I remember hearing from him was how the book was optioned by Tobey Maguire, and how this led to Spike getting involved, blah blah blah.

As far as the dog/Monty connection, who's taking Monty in at the end? His father (finally)?


Also, I forgot to mention that Barry Pepper was robbed of a Best Supporting Actor Oscar nomination.

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72. "RE: Yes. Also..."
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Not being a New Yorker I guess the dog / New York analogy would have only occurred to me on a very superficial level.... But I like that idea too

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74. "well kinda"
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Norton saves a life by getting it healed.
Norton's friend has to 'save his life' but beating his ass.

That's kind of a parallel. friendship by love and hate.

but really, i don't think it'll wash. cause really norton's friend seemed to be letting out years of frustration with Norton when he kicked his ass, like he was paying him back for all the years of watching Norton do dumb shit and not stepping in. That's how it seemed to me.

And the sequence at the end was so overblown that you knew it had to be just a 'dream like' telling of what the old man was saying, and that it didn't really happen.

My one problem, and it's a small one cause I loved the film, is that the sub-plot between the teacher (hoffman) and the student (paquin) was never resolved. after the kiss in the bathroom they just ended it. and it seemed like the consequences/results were left out.

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75. "what about a sequel?"
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Monty comes out the bing and tries to readjust to life.... I'd be interested in seeing how Monty's life plays out.

  

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